the next charmed ones????

[dunnoewat]

i think the next set of charmed ones is possible. I was always wondering maybe PhoeMe assumed wrongly in S1, since they are FOUR sisters, they were never meant to be the Charmed ones... haha.

[StoryGirl83]

Apr 20, 2010 5:13:35 GMT -5 dunnoewat said:

i think the next set of charmed ones is possible. I was always wondering maybe PhoeMe assumed wrongly in S1, since they are FOUR sisters, they were never meant to be the Charmed ones... haha.

*ROFL*

So are you saying all along we've been watching a show called Charmed and it's not even about the Charmed Ones, because they don't fit the prophecy since there were more than three of them?

[dunnoewat]

Well. It's actually quite true. They doesn't due to discontiunity and laziness on the writers part. We can assume that Melinda Warren has seen a different set of girls in her vision(which is not alway accurate btw)

Firstly, there are FOUR sisters in Prue's generation. Secondly, we all know that the so called "Charmed Ones" are not the STRONGEST good forces the world have seen or will seen, since Kern gave us Wyatt and the ULTImate Power, Billie. PhoeME was basically useless from the day she lost her powers!!! Paige didn't have much of a witch power enhancement either, we see her embracing her whitelighter side more as the seasons go by.

I blame it on Kern for not sticking to the original premise of the show!!!!

[StoryGirl83]

Well, that does add up. Who knows. Maybe Phoebe's daughters aren't the next Charmed Ones, but instead are the Charmed Ones. Or maybe it's some generation after that. You make a good point though.

[Esmeralda]

Apr 20, 2010 19:25:03 GMT -5 StoryGirl83 said:

Well, that does add up. Who knows. Maybe Phoebe's daughters aren't the next Charmed Ones, but instead are the Charmed Ones. Or maybe it's some generation after that. You make a good point though.

OH! I absolutely ADORE that idea, except for the fact that by getting rid of the original Source, the sisters *did* fulfill their destiny, even if it took 4 Charmed Ones to do it (since I think Prue's death was the reason why they were able to find the emotions to vanquish Shax, the original Source and Cole the Source).

How I wish the series had ended after 4 seasons!

[ghostrider]

Posted by StoryGirl83 on 4/20/10 at 7:25pm

Well, that does add up. Who knows. Maybe Phoebe's daughters aren't the next Charmed Ones, but instead are the Charmed Ones. Or maybe it's some generation after that. You make a good point though.

I am quoting SG83...but this does not leave out the others that posted before her, and connecting to the idea. It is in my small mind...brilliant and dead on target. I love it. It is perfect for a new line of thinking for the dumbbells who wrote many of the Charmed episodes and the gifted minds that write here.

Thought of course things fell apart when SD was so tactlessly dismissed...which of course made most of the story-lines fall apart, gee, do we see a pattern here? But with her demise things never really came together again in a design we could not, for the most part comply to.

With this knowledge, it has taken the fans of the show to try to make sense of the mess and come up with a workable future. I couldn't do it...but, many of you did. Your collective thinking has created a reasonable outlet.

The girls were never the three that Melinda spoke of. They were alway four sisters: two years after Phoebe's birth; regardless of the parentage. This of course could not be preplanned by the creators but was not very well thought out once the dominoes began to fall. Silly of them, but this is a good opener for future tales.

Through the girls lives we could see a pattern of three forming but not truly coming together as a whole. Remember the cousins? Three related with powers but not sisters. Perhaps what we were viewing was just previews of coming attractions. Of course the creators had no knowledge of this...only we are gifted with this information. Who knows. maybe we were meant to be the wise elders...excuse me while I put on a bath-robe and head to the spa...

In short...the true Charmed Ones have not been experience yet, as the daughters of Phoebe have not yet risen to power.

[Quadquetra]

I believe that the girls were the charmed ones. They could cast the power of three spells and make them work so that in short proves that they were. But Melinda said three sisters that doesn't mean there couldn't be another that wasn't Charmed or something like that. But I don't think being Charmed was something that would pass on I mean I could be wrong lol but Melinda spoke of them like it was a one time thing and that they would fulfill the destinies that they had. But I used to like to think that if there were another set, I would like to believe it would be one daughter of each sister, I know they would be sisters but a new set could bring different ways that they can be related. So I like to think its Prudence Melinda, Pandora (One of the twins) and Ladybug maybe or one of phoebe's other girls. Lol this wasn't a rant I just hadnt really responded to this thread before.

[erikamarie]

Witch Way Now?

Angel of Destiny: You three have accomplished something that few others ever dream of. By vanquishing the Source of all evil, you have fulfilled your shared destiny, much earlier than anticipated. Truth be told, some of us did think you'd never achieve it at all, but that's really beside the point. What's important is you have and because of that we're offering you a reward, a chance to chart a new destiny, one of your own design.

Paige: A reward?

Angel of Destiny: You can continue to remain as you are, charmed, vested with all your witchly powers,

Something Wicca This Way Comes
Phoebe: I'm serious. She practiced powers. Three powers. She could move objects with her mind, see the future and stop time. Before Melinda was burned at the stake, she vowed that each generation of Warren witches would become stronger and stronger, culminating in the arrival of three sisters.Now, these sisters would be the most powerful witches the world has ever known. They're good witches and I think we're those sisters

Despide the mess the writers did,this is the canon, Melinda Warren saw the arrival of three sisters the culmination of Warren line,not various set of Charmed one. Wyatt is linked to a different profecy, Melinda talked of only women
Necromancing the Stone
Grams: You know, Piper, I'm still surprised that you had a boy.
Piper: Well, fifty-fifty chance.
Grams: Not in our family. Three hundred years and not a male in the bunch.
Piper: I guess our family's changing.
Grams: Mm. I mean, it begs a few questions, don't you think? I mean, we've never had a male witch

returning to the sisters if being Charmed one was so prosaic, it'ld be absurd have to wait three hundred years for the first set

The Angel of Destiny was clear about it, they, Piper Phoebe and Paige are the Charmed One and they fullfilled their destiny,Prue obviously was not meant to share that destiny

Charmed Again
Piper: What destiny? Okay. It's over. It's done. Prue is gone
Grams: I know, sweetie. I know... but if there's one thing you've learned over the last three years, it's that there's a reason for everything... which means there's a reason for this, too. You're destiny still awaits. blessed be

the future is always in motion in Charmed, there was a future in which Phoebe had to die and Piper had a daughter, a future in which Phoebe had never married Cole and had become a lonely woman full of bitterness, a future where Wyatt was evil and the Charmed ones death, a future in which Cole was the Source of evil and Phoebe died defying the angel of death,the future of Forever Charmed, perhaps final, and perhaps not, after all we saw only Piper and Leo age: Melinda saw three sisters become the Co she didn't saw the born of three girls

[ljones]

I believe that the Charmed Ones began and will end with the Halliwells.

[Esmeralda]

May 5, 2010 10:46:49 GMT -5 ljones said:

I believe that the Charmed Ones began and will end with the Halliwells.

Yes, but which Halliwells? I agree with you because I believe the Charmed Ones died in the explosion after Kill Billie, Vol 2 and I don't think either Wyatt or Chris can continue the Charmed tradition - the Twice Blessed Brat would continue one all his own.

Now if "Forever Charmed" is real (heaven forbid), then with Melinda Warren having seen a long line of strong women after touching Phoebe's heart, I believe that her daughters and their daughters and their daughters and their daughters...will continue being Charmed, mainly because the sisters didn't agree to stop being Charmed after fulfilling their destiny of vanquishing the Source. That's when their destiny changed and that's what will make Phoebe's line (who will keep the last name of Halliwell, the name the demons fear) Charmed Forever.

Piper will be "Forever Charmed" as long as she lives, but not her line. Ditto for Paige.

[ljones]

Let me rephrase myself. I believe that the second generation of Halliwell witches - Prue, Piper, Phoebe and Paige - are the only Charmed Ones.

[CharmedFaith]

May 6, 2010 13:21:21 GMT -5 ljones said:

Let me rephrase myself. I believe that the second generation of Halliwell witches - Prue, Piper, Phoebe and Paige - are the only Charmed Ones.

Never thought I could agree with you any mroe than this.

[erikamarie]

I too:it took three hundred years of growth of the Warren line power to get to the sisters doomed to the power of Three how can I believe that this power can trivially become hereditary?
The Power of Three is something of extraordinary and rare
Even the superpowerful Billie and Christy trained and supported by the Triad, were not able to evoke the Hollow without Wyatt, while the power of the Three did it without any problem
In the Book of Shadows there were spells that since hundreds of years were waiting for the sisters who could use them,spells that no one else could say, this is Charmed magic
I cannot think it's enough to have a brood of daughters because this unique power may be hereditary

[Esmeralda]

May 6, 2010 16:45:30 GMT -5 erikamarie said:

I too:it took three hundred years of growth of the Warren line power to get to the sisters doomed to the power of Three how can I believe that this power can trivially become hereditary?
The Power of Three is something of extraordinary and rare
Even the superpowerful Billie and Christy trained and supported by the Triad, were not able to evoke the Hollow without Wyatt, while the power of the Three did it without any problem
In the Book of Shadows there were spells that since hundreds of years were waiting for the sisters who could use them,spells that no one else could say, this is Charmed magic
I cannot think it's enough to have a brood of daughters because this unique power may be hereditary

Of course it's heriditary. It's stupid to think that it's not. Were they not Warrens, were not their powers not Melinda Warren's powers, they would not be Charmed - those three powers are part of what makes it that way, the reason why the cousins had different powers. If Phoebe's three daughters have those three powers, which I believe they would, since I believe that they will be the reincarnation of Patty (her power to freeze time), Prue (the power to move things with her mind) and Penny (the power to see the future, since she misused her power to move things with her mind so much, also the reason why she's the baby), then, yes, they will be able to harness the Power of Three and will be the next three to be Charmed.

Again.

Had the sisters not agreed to continue the Charmed destiny after they fulfilled theirs by getting rid of the Source, then, yes, they would be the last. But they're not. Thanks to them agreeing to continue it, it would continue, through that long line of daughters that Melinda Warren saw when she touched Phoebe's heart.

[erikamarie]

Maybe I am stupid but I am a stupid in hurry so only few words

The Witch is back
Melinda: I see the future. Many more generations of my beautiful daughters. I see my dreams fulfilled. Oh, thank you for that

Beautiful daughters not a bunch of Charmed one - why she didn't see any of her beautiful sons?-

I thought that the Power of Three was somethings special not just a sum of power, X can see the future, Y can freeze time, Z can move objects, voilà the Charmed one for you
In fact one of the stupidest things of Forever Charmed was to give Penny and Patty the power of being able to read the spell with Piper
With the Angel of Destiny they agreed to remain charmed because "they" were charmed but they not their beautiful future dauhgters
Stupid persons don't like to see a rare power become something cheap

[ghostrider]

I think everyone's comments are note worthy. Be they pro or con to anything I have mentioned, or agreed to from other members. That is what makes these debates to interesting.

Sometimes I find it hard to respond to anything negative that I have posted, as with after thought, members remarks also make sense.

I thought Story Girls response about Phoebe's daughter's being the true Charmed Ones a very thought provoking idea. If you consider that our girls really were four, it gives future possibilities wiggle room. That is the avenue I was traveling on.

Another line of thought...if the writers had not made so many errors, most of use would have little to chat about.

[Reality Bites]

May 6, 2010 18:37:50 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

May 6, 2010 16:45:30 GMT -5 erikamarie said:

I too:it took three hundred years of growth of the Warren line power to get to the sisters doomed to the power of Three how can I believe that this power can trivially become hereditary?
The Power of Three is something of extraordinary and rare
Even the superpowerful Billie and Christy trained and supported by the Triad, were not able to evoke the Hollow without Wyatt, while the power of the Three did it without any problem
In the Book of Shadows there were spells that since hundreds of years were waiting for the sisters who could use them,spells that no one else could say, this is Charmed magic
I cannot think it's enough to have a brood of daughters because this unique power may be hereditary

Of course it's heriditary. It's stupid to think that it's not. Were they not Warrens, were not their powers not Melinda Warren's powers, they would not be Charmed - those three powers are part of what makes it that way, the reason why the cousins had different powers. If Phoebe's three daughters have those three powers, which I believe they would, since I believe that they will be the reincarnation of Patty (her power to freeze time), Prue (the power to move things with her mind) and Penny (the power to see the future, since she misused her power to move things with her mind so much, also the reason why she's the baby), then, yes, they will be able to harness the Power of Three and will be the next three to be Charmed.

Again.

Had the sisters not agreed to continue the Charmed destiny after they fulfilled theirs by getting rid of the Source, then, yes, they would be the last. But they're not. Thanks to them agreeing to continue it, it would continue, through that long line of daughters that Melinda Warren saw when she touched Phoebe's heart.

I LOVE that notion behind the reason for Phoebe's girls becoming the next Charmed Ones. If I ever decided to write a fan fic about Phoebe girls, would you mind if I used that notion Es?

[Esmeralda]

Nope, not at all! What I love best about it being Phoebe's daughters is that they'll also be half-cupid, so you know they'll be loving and take care of innocents much more than the second set of Charmed Ones.

ETA: As long as you're interested, I decided to give you my entire backstory for this particular idea. Typical Es, I've written this much out, but never quite figured out how to write the fic. So if anyone wants to take the idea and write it - go for it. Just be sure I get credit for the ideas!

And along that idea, I'll admit that a number of ideas are based on ones the Lexi used in her original "Progeny" and "Angels and Demons"; ideas that she would've allowed me to use if I was going to write out this fic and that I'm sure she wouldn't mind if others used it, especially if they also give *her* credit:

Here's what my alternate universe would be like:

Remember how during Forever Charmed, Piper talks about the sorrows that she has suffered? Well, I like the idea of Paige, Henry, Phoebe and Coop all dying while their kids are young (after all, we never see them or their kids as older) and Piper (who gave up her own powers when her sisters died) and Leo (who has his wings back--he just glamours to make himself look the same age as Piper, the same thing he has done since they got married) stuck with raising all nine kids, hence the reason for all the grandkids. It also means that all nine are raised as siblings.

Here's where it takes the twist that I think you liked, RB. As the kids grew up, Piper came to realize that Phoebe's three daughters, Patty, Prue and Penny, are indeed the reincarnation of her mother, her sister and her grandmother, and it is those three who become the new set of Charmed Ones with Patty still able to freeze, Prue still able to move things with her mind, and Penny having premonitions (she misused her powers as Grams too much and hence the reason for the downgrade, besides the reason why she's the baby of this family). I still think they'd make a great Power of Three, especially since they're half-cupid with personalities similar to Lexi's although they can *NOT* heart-orb, since only full-cupids can do that--like the second set of Charmed Ones, they rely on their whitelighter to transport them.

Prue's full name is Patience Prudence - named Patience because when Phoebe was in labor with her, Coop kept telling her "Patience! Patience!" - but once Piper realizes that she is indeed the reincarnation of her sister, she calls her niece by her middle name, and the nickname has stuck.

Prue's cousin, Piper's daughter's full name is Prudence Melinda. In my own alternate universe, she is the oldest of the next set of Charmed Ones--Wyatt is the baby of Piper & Leo's family and the youngest of the next generation of Halliwells, born while Leo was a mortal, so he has no powers, although he is a witch.

After Prue's death, Piper couldn't stand to call her daughter by her sister's name, so she called her Melinda and the name stuck, especially after Piper came to realize that Patience Prudence is indeed the reincarnation of her sister.

Melinda is the Twice-Blessed Child, not Wyatt, although after Chris came back from the future and saved her (and a SON coming back surprised everyone!), Piper permanently bound all of Melinda's Twice-Blessed powers--all those powers are too much for anyone--absolute powers corrupt absolutely--so like Lexi's A&D Melinda, she's mainly the potion-maker/spell-writer of the family, so she's very close to her mother and also acts as a second mother to the rest of the family.

Although Chris is a witch, he only has whitelighter powers, inherited from their father, just like his cousin Henry. In my Charmedverse, only women can have Warren powers.

Speaking of, I love the character Lexi gave Henry Jr (and once his dad died, everyone just calls him Henry, not Junior) and love the idea of Holly and Halley being born on Christmas, hence the reason for the names (and all H's). The twins are the only witchlighters in the next generation, with both witch and whitelighter powers, but they are still young and like their younger cousin, Wyatt, the baby of the next generation, they are still going to Magic School and don't have much to do with the whole Charmed destiny yet, besides getting in trouble.

Henry, on the other hand, acts as the sisters' whitelighter, although they listen to him just about as much as their mothers and aunts listened to Leo!

That's about all that I've come up with right now--no plots or anything, just characters. But I'd love to know what you guys think of MY alternate Charmed universe!

LOL, and why do I get the feeling that *this* is a fanwank?? At least I'm not calling it a story - at least not yet! And if this *is* a fanwank, you're right - I hate these disguised as a story.

[Astral Echo]

I don't know if it's fanwank per-say BUT you do change the already established storyline so in that sense it probably is. However, Phoebe's daughters and Henry sound fine to me. In fact I love it, Henry as their whitelighter, them being in touch with their duties due to their fathers abilities.

AND, as I know your the type of the writer that would create a well rounded narrative, that isn't just "here are the next Charmed Ones. The end." I would be more inclined to simply call it an alternate reality fic.

But yes, it's not exactly what I'd call a verse fic. BUT it isn't strictly fanwank either, as the idea isn't completely inconceivable.

[Esmeralda]

Nov 28, 2010 19:24:52 GMT -5 Astral Echo said:

I don't know if it's fanwank per-say BUT you do change the already established storyline so in that sense it probably is. However, Phoebe's daughters and Henry sound fine to me. In fact I love it, Henry as their whitelighter, them being in touch with their duties due to their fathers abilities.

AND, as I know your the type of the writer that would create a well rounded narrative, that isn't just "here are the next Charmed Ones. The end." I would be more inclined to simply call it an alternate reality fic.

But yes, it's not exactly what I'd call a verse fic. BUT it isn't strictly fanwank either, as the idea isn't completely inconceivable.

AH! So Fanwank is when you change it to make it be the way you want it to be? Oh, I LOVE those coz Kern's version was so horrible! So on that I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

The exception, of course, is if they're all MarySues and HarryStus. That, of course, makes it unreadable.

But isn't "Charmed Reality Reset" a fanwank then? I guess I still don't truly get it.