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Post by Reality Bites on Nov 28, 2010 22:37:19 GMT -5
Wow Es, I think that's pretty awesome alternate Charmedverse you created there! I'd had love to see that play out onscreen.
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 28, 2010 23:20:25 GMT -5
 Thank you; I'm glad you like it. Now if I could just come up with a proper plotline, because I'd never write a fic that didn't have a proper plotline. |
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Post by Astral Echo on Nov 29, 2010 10:07:13 GMT -5
No, see I thought you got it but maybe I'm not as good at writing down my thought processes as I thought I was.
A fanwank is where you make something so unconceivable, something with no real substance. Bringing all your favourite characters to life for now real reason is fanwank. If you can justify it, it's different.
It's very difficult to explain but maybe I'm just bitter having read so many bad fan fics in my time. (I used to write some bloody awful stuff too)
But in some ways, CRR is fanwank. But it's alternate reality fiction not a continuation. Which is one major difference. However bringing Andy back could be considered fanwank but I believe the way we did it would prove that it isn't, it was a justified plot point.
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 29, 2010 10:40:48 GMT -5
LOL, I'll bet every single author thinks that every single plotpoint in their fic is justified, the same way no author thinks any of their characters are Mary Sues or Harry Stus, which is why I'm so proud of Lexi for admitting that her Angels & Demons Melinda indeed was one and cancelled that series, part of her reason for combining her two series to make Progeny: Angels & Demons - to be sure that Pru would *not* be one.
What seems impossible to one fan will seem perfectly AOK to others. Maybe your "fanwank meter" is more sensitive than other peoples, because as I said, I truly don't remember reading any. But then I quickly stop reading fics I don't like and forget fics I don't finish. Nothing bothers me more than when someone starts a fic because they have an idea, but then don't finish it because they haven't figured out how to end it. I won't mark a fic as a favorite until it's completed.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Nov 29, 2010 12:16:34 GMT -5
But then I quickly stop reading fics I don't like and forget fics I don't finish. Nothing bothers me more than when someone starts a fic because they have an idea, but then don't finish it because they haven't figured out how to end it. I won't mark a fic as a favorite until it's completed. Which is what's so great about AC. All the fics are finished. |
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Post by ljones on Nov 29, 2010 12:51:47 GMT -5
Really? Which episode precisely indicated that Phoebe's daughters will be the next Charmed Ones? All Melinda Warren saw were daughters in their future, not Charmed Ones.
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Post by Lexi on Dec 9, 2010 22:14:30 GMT -5
If Phoebe's three sisters had the right powers then yes they would be the nex Charmed Ones. After all, if one of the current Charmed Ones dies and there were no new Charmed Ones then demons would realise that and use it to their advatage to destroy the world, kill all innocents and more than likely kill all the remaining Halliwells. Why not? I would if I was a demon, especially a demon that took the Power of Three to vanquish. There is no way The Angel of Destiny would allow something like that to happen. So if it wasn't Phoebe's daughters then it would be her granddaughters (or Piper's or Paige's from their daughters). I don't agree with Wyatt, Chris or Henry Jnr having the next Charmed Ones, since I don't agree that males should have powers other than the whitelighter ones which they could handle. Chris' powers were pretty much whitelighter ones (telekinesis was a whitelighter power). Each generation of witches were said to get more and more powerful - so after The Charmed Ones that would still be the same, so there would be another set of Charmed Ones. Otherwise each generation after The Charmed Ones would get weaker. Make sense? Evil grows stronger so therefore good must continue to grow stronger too. So The Charmed Ones cannot be the one and only but it doesn't mean Phoebe's daughters would be since while The Charmed Ones are about there wouldn't be much need for them - but there would be for their daughters. I'm not sure if any of this is making sense. It's after 3am my time and I'm starting to fall asleep but I wanted to write here before I forgot what I was thinking. Also, in reply to what Es said about using some of my ideas in an earlier post that she mentioned about characters. Feel free but please do credit if you use it And as for writers who won't admit that their characters are Mary Stus or Harry Stus or even that their stories are bad and make no sense. I'll be the first to admit that yes Melinda in Angels and Demons was a Mary Stu and I hated her so much that I cancelled the show - because of what I made her, I lost motivation for the show and my muse said bye bye to it. I will also be the first to say that some of my writing was really bad and there were plotlines in Progeny and Angels and Demons that made no sense at all and I just wanted to put them in there. That's why I'm going for the rewrite to change a few things so it makes sense and there are no Mary/Harry Stus anywhere about. That includes stupid Superbrat always saving the day or Chris doing whatever he wants to save everybody from a meteor about to hit the Earth and cause armaggedon. |
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Post by joshingabout on Feb 22, 2011 7:12:16 GMT -5
I've never liked the idea of Phoebe's daughter's being the Charmed Ones. To me, Melinda Warren's prophecy has always been right. Yes, there were four sisters in that generation, but only three had Charmed power at any given time.
If done right it might work, however. I know it's not the direction I'm taking with my Next Generation series, in which Phoebe's daughters are powerful in their own right, but not so much that they could replace the Power of Three.
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If such a fanfic was written, I'd definitely be interested in reading it though =]
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 22, 2011 13:05:59 GMT -5
I've never liked the idea of Phoebe's daughter's being the Charmed Ones. To me, Melinda Warren's prophecy has always been right. Yes, there were four sisters in that generation, but only three had Charmed power at any given time. If done right it might work, however. I know it's not the direction I'm taking with my Next Generation series, in which Phoebe's daughters are powerful in their own right, but not so much that they could replace the Power of Three. EDIT: If such a fanfic was written, I'd definitely be interested in reading it though =] To me, this would've been true had the sisters agreed to give up their powers after they fulfilled their destiny by vanquishing the Source. Had they, the ability to tap into the Power of Three would've ended with the sisters, as Melinda Warren had seen. But because they did, the same way their new destiny became to take care of the Twice Blessed Brat (which they failed at, horribly), IF indeed there were three more sisters who had the correct powers (one with the power to move things with her mind; one with the power to stop time - the reason I don't think these Charmed Ones are *the* Charmed Ones that Melinda Warren predicted, since Piper had the ability to manipulate molecules, not freeze time - and one to see the future) they would be able to tap the Power of Three and become the new Charmed Ones - and possibly *the* Charmed Ones. If the next generation is indeed the ones we saw at the end of "Forever Charmed" (which I don't think so, since I think "Forever Charmed" is Piper's delusion as she dies after the explosion in "Kill Billie, Vol 2"), the only ones who could've possibly been those would've been Phoebe's three daughters, but then only if they had the right powers. |
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Post by joshingabout on Feb 22, 2011 14:17:57 GMT -5
Although that begs the question: did Melinda Warren herself have the power to manipulate molecules, but because of the lack of scientific knowledge came under the assumption that it was freezing time? Food for thought  |
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 22, 2011 14:42:19 GMT -5
Although that begs the question: did Melinda Warren herself have the power to manipulate molecules, but because of the lack of scientific knowledge came under the assumption that it was freezing time? Food for thought You hit the NAIL on the HEAD, joshingabout. I completely agree. They wouldn't have the knowledge we have today. And besides, all time is, or the perception of it, are sequences of events in space. Piper never really "froze" molecules, otherwise they'd literally lose temperature and be glazed in ice. She desensitized the vibrations of the chemical bonds of the molcules so that it appeared to be completely immobilized. If one could use this power to "freeze" molecules everywhere, at the subatomic level, you could literally "freeze" time because nothing's moving in space. There's no correlation of events. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 22, 2011 14:48:20 GMT -5
And there you go trying to explain magic in scientific terms, which takes away the fun and magic of powers! Magic explained is boring; magic unexplainable is fun and supernatural and fanciful, which Charmed is supposed to be. The reason I hate fancy names for the powers.
No. Melinda froze time which probably means that everything around her froze (so her sisters would've frozen, too) and when she unfroze time, time would've only passed for her, like what happened when Piper froze time during her audition, but not for any other time). Had she had an upgrade of that power, she'd probably be able to reverse time or speed it up, not explode certain areas.
Piper manipulated molecules which either just froze certain areas or exploded certain areas. Not the same thing.
Phoebe was wrong. Piper and her sisters weren't truly the Charmed Ones prophesied by Melinda Warren. Hence the reason why the Source and the Demon of Fear kept coming back over and over and over - since they aren't Charmed, they couldn't vanquish them for good.
Yes, ljones - a definite inconsistency by Connie Burge!
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 22, 2011 15:35:03 GMT -5
And there you go trying to explain magic in scientific terms, which takes away the fun and magic of powers! Magic explained is boring; magic unexplainable is fun and supernatural and fanciful, which Charmed is supposed to be. The reason I hate fancy names for the powers. No. Melinda froze time which probably means that everything around her froze (so her sisters would've frozen, too) and when she unfroze time, time would've only passed for her, like what happened when Piper froze time during her audition, but not for any other time). Had she had an upgrade of that power, she'd probably be able to reverse time or speed it up, not explode certain areas. Piper manipulated molecules which either just froze certain areas or exploded certain areas. Not the same thing. Phoebe was wrong. Piper and her sisters weren't truly the Charmed Ones prophesied by Melinda Warren. Hence the reason why the Source and the Demon of Fear kept coming back over and over and over - since they aren't Charmed, they couldn't vanquish them for good. Yes, ljones - a definite inconsistency by Connie Burge! I'm only giving basis to magic, which is apart of what supports life itself: science. Magic is not all fancy and "supernatural"... a lot of what magic is is actually very scientifically possible in various dimensions and with the right biological components. That being said, I think of science itself as proof that there is some sort of magic at work in the natural world. Even with powers over time, one's still manipulating the vibrations of the molecules which cause things to be set in any number of directions. Also, Piper WAS able to freeze large amounts of areas, not just 'certain' ones. But if Piper had chronokinesis, TRUE chronokinesis, it wouldn't be fun. She'd be just as powerful as Tempus, or the Avatars. What I liked about the Charmed Ones was, that even being so powerful, they still had limitations. If there are no limitations in a story, it's no longer fun. It's just mindless escapism. |
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 22, 2011 15:40:39 GMT -5
I don't like the scientific names for powers, either, but it's a human thing. We have a need to categorize and systematize things.
I don't see magic as so separate from science. I see them as two parts of natural forces in the universe. Which is why I also dislike the view of magic as "supernatural"... As far as I'm concerned, the only things that are supernatural are things which are impossible to exist in ANY reality whatsoever. Contrary to popular belief, magic, like science, is not a field of knowledge that was "created" by humans. It was discovered by humans. We're constantly discovering things everyday. New and amazing things. Magic/magick goes right in that pot of discovery. It fills one with a sense of wonderment. But these things SEEM "supernatural" because we've lost touch with how to connect with the energies of the natural world.
And when manipulating time, you are manipulating the tangible movements (molecules, atoms etc.) within events in space. Because "time" doesn't truly exist as we think it does. It can't be "moved". Only the events within time, the action and reaction of the forces inside of physical things, can be moved. Which is why there is no perception of "time" in our minds. It's not tangible. It supersedes the physical and becomes spiritual. So Piper was manipulating time by manipulating molecules. Her power advancement was really more of a power downgrade, because it no longer had to deal with manipulating movement (freezing, accelerating or slowing down). It had to deal with causing the bonds in objects to explode by giving them massive amounts of energetic force.
Oh, wait, furthermore, there's a hole in your argument, Es. How can one try to separate the science from the magic of Charmed when we all know that being a witch with powers is genetic? It's in the blood. They're obviously more genetically advanced than everyday humans. More science there!
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 22, 2011 15:44:38 GMT -5
So explain how the witch at the beginning was able to light candles with just her fingers. Explain how Prue uses her anger to move items or how Phoebe can see the future. Or even how Leo does all of his stuff.
It's called magic, something that does not exist in the real world, or at least not the way it was shown on the show. That's why it's called a fantasy show.
Piper could not freeze time. She could only freeze items. That's what Melinda Warren would've called it. She didn't. She called it freezing time. She never saw Piper using her power so she didn't know that Piper's power wasn't the same.
This also shows that it's not only the Charmed Ones who can access the Power of Three, since those three could. It's the fact that they are sister-witches. My guess is any set of three sisters who are witches could - I'll bet the Three Blondes could've; so could've the Jenkinses if they found they had a third sister.
But they wouldn't be Charmed, the most powerful witches ever known, the reason why Piper's son was more powerful than his mother and her two sisters combined or the reason why the Jenkinses were even more powerful than them, even if there was only two of them and three Halliwells/Matthews.
Piper can not freeze time. Piper is not a Charmed One. Since there are supposed to be three, neither are her sisters.
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 22, 2011 15:51:59 GMT -5
So explain how the witch at the beginning was able to light candles with just her fingers. Explain how Prue uses her anger to move items or how Phoebe can see the future. Or even how Leo does all of his stuff. It's called magic, something that does not exist in the real world, or at least not the way it was shown on the show. That's why it's called a fantasy show. Piper could not freeze time. She could only freeze items. That's what Melinda Warren would've called it. She didn't. She called it freezing time. She never saw Piper using her power so she didn't know that Piper's power wasn't the same. Piper can not freeze time. Piper is not a Charmed One. Since there are supposed to be three, neither are her sisters. There's a genetic component in witches that allows them to be able to give and take away energy through personal powers. Pyrokinesis, the power at the beginning, is when one's able to use personal heat-energy and literally ignite the air. Telekinesis is being able to move objects by giving them a certain amount of electromagnetic/nuclear force. Phoebe is able to not "see the future", but has the ability to transcend time for a few moments and see possibilities within other time-frames that may or may not exist, depending on what course of action she takes in the present. There is no cap on human development. Science has already been able to verify the existence of sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth and so onto infinity, senses. Just because there doesn't exist a way of measuring these energies YET, doesn't mean they don't exist "in the real world..." |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 22, 2011 15:54:37 GMT -5
ROFL! I'll bet my bottom dollar that no matter how developped such stuff becomes, they'll never find someone who can astrally project themselves and then have that astral self actually be able to do something. Astrally project - sure, anyone can do that. Have that astral self do something. Nope. That's impossible, but it's what Prue did. Ditto for Phoebe able to fly.
Don't use science to explain a fantasy show.
Which I'm positive only exists on TV, not in the real world. I don't believe in witches with powers, not with powers as shown on the series or Buffy or Bewitched or Twilight or Harry Potter or any other supernatural fantasy, the reason why it's called fantasy.
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 22, 2011 16:00:02 GMT -5
ROFL! I'll bet my bottom dollar that no matter how developped such stuff becomes, they'll never find someone who can astrally project themselves and then have that astral self actually be able to do something. Astrally project - sure, anyone can do that. Have that astral self do something. Nope. That's impossible, but it's what Prue did. Ditto for Phoebe able to fly. Don't use science to explain a fantasy show. "ROFL!" ? I beg your pardon? That's beyond rude. And please don't tell me how to and how to not explain a fantasy show. I've got every right to respond to the situation with how I see it fitting together. Also, when it comes to astral projection, I've had experiences where people actually have been able to astral project and manipulate physical space. But it's not as common because people are imbalanced and lack the psychic dexterity to focus in such a way. On a quantum level, anything is possible in any realm of reality. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 22, 2011 16:01:02 GMT -5
ROFL! I'll bet my bottom dollar that no matter how developped such stuff becomes, they'll never find someone who can astrally project themselves and then have that astral self actually be able to do something. Astrally project - sure, anyone can do that. Have that astral self do something. Nope. That's impossible, but it's what Prue did. Ditto for Phoebe able to fly. Don't use science to explain a fantasy show. "ROFL!" ? I beg your pardon? That's beyond rude. And please don't tell me how to and how to not explain a fantasy show. I've got every right to respond to the situation with how I see it fitting together. Also, when it comes to astral projection, I've had experiences where people actually have been able to astral project and manipulate physical space. But it's not as common because people are imbalanced and lack the psychic dexterity to focus in such a way. On a quantum level, anything is possible in any realm of reality. Pardon me - you're right and I'm sorry. But I also have the right to not believe you. If others want to believe the way you do (and I know I'm in the majority, but I know by taking the opposing view, I keep the conversation going), that's fine. But I don't. I prefer loving the magic by not trying to explain it. I'm happy to know how Wyatt and the Jenkinses could be more powerful than the Charmed Ones, always thinking that the birth of Wyatt was when the show jumped the shark. Now I know better. We'll have to wait for the sequel before we see the true Charmed Ones. ETA: OOPS! Sorry! I know I'm in the *minority*. |
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 22, 2011 16:02:42 GMT -5
ROFL! I'll bet my bottom dollar that no matter how developped such stuff becomes, they'll never find someone who can astrally project themselves and then have that astral self actually be able to do something. Astrally project - sure, anyone can do that. Have that astral self do something. Nope. That's impossible, but it's what Prue did. Ditto for Phoebe able to fly. Don't use science to explain a fantasy show. Which I'm positive only exists on TV, not in the real world. I don't believe in witches with powers, not with powers as shown on the series or Buffy or Bewitched or Twilight or Harry Potter or any other supernatural fantasy, the reason why it's called fantasy. Au contraire, there are people with "powers".... Technopathy? Very possible. There's a woman, whose name I can't remember, who had to undergo stringent testing for her emotions because technological equipment reacted to her sensations. Even the ability to fly or levitate is not normal/common because it'd probably take so much energy out of you that you'd die from over-exertion. We don't fly because we lack the necessary propulsion to go against the grains of gravity. |
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Thank you; I'm glad you like it. Now if I could just come up with a proper plotline, because I'd never write a fic that didn't have a proper plotline.
