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Post by ljones on Apr 20, 2009 11:25:10 GMT -5
But Nicholas didn't kill them when they didn't their powers. He wasn't interested in powerless Halliwells. Ergo, he wasn't a threat to them during that period.
The Water Demon was a demonic threat to anyone who was in that lake . . . not Prue and Piper specifically. Your argument doesn't suffice for me.
The CHARMED mythology on mortals isn't even consistent on the show. Leo keeps insisting that the sisters are not mortal. Yet, the demons on the show view the Halliwells as mortal. And they can be killed like non-magical humans - cancer, bump to the head, gunshot wound. Which means that they are MORTALS in my book.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Apr 20, 2009 12:12:13 GMT -5
Charmeds definition of mortal is obviously different. To them mortals are every day people. If you have magic running in your veins you are one step up from a mortal. You may be able to die like regular mortals, hell even demons die just like mortals if not easier, but to them you are not a down right mortal.
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Post by ljones on Apr 20, 2009 22:47:53 GMT -5
Charmeds definition of mortal is obviously different. To them mortals are every day people. If you have magic running in your veins you are one step up from a mortal. You may be able to die like regular mortals, hell even demons die just like mortals if not easier, but to them you are not a down right mortal. From what I have seen of the show, CHARMED's definition of mortal is not obviously different. CHARMED's definition of mortal is inconsistent . . . and confusing. And if the sisters can die like non-magical mortals, they are mortals. Possessing psi powers or being able to practice magic does not mean that one is NOT a mortal. If this is what CHARMED was trying to say, they failed. Especially when their demons keep calling the sisters mortal. This is what Leo claimed: Yet, neither Cole or Vince seemed to agree with Leo's description of the Halliwells not being mortals: I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Cole and Vince. The Halliwells are mortals who happen to be able to practice magic. And there is nothing anyone can say to change my mind. There is too much evidence that proves that they are mortals. |
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Apr 21, 2009 9:56:40 GMT -5
And if the sisters can die like non-magical mortals, they are mortals. Possessing psi powers or being able to practice magic does not mean that one is NOT a mortal. If this is what CHARMED was trying to say, they failed. Especially when their demons keep calling the sisters mortal. I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Cole and Vince. The Halliwells are mortals who happen to be able to practice magic. And there is nothing anyone can say to change my mind. There is too much evidence that proves that they are mortals. Your assessment doesn't work for me. Words have different meanings based on context. Vinceres was an unstoppable - or immortal - demon. In the context of his use of "mortal" he was comparing Prue, someone who could die - a "mortal" - to himself, an immortal. But that doesn't change the fact that the show still defines non-magical creatures like Victor as mortals. |
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Post by ljones on Apr 21, 2009 15:01:14 GMT -5
That's because Prue CAN DIE like non-magical mortals. Which made her a mortal.
And of course, Victor is a mortal. So were his three daughters and their half-sister. Although in Paige's case, I'm not sure. If she can die like non-magical mortals, then she's a mortal in my book.
But they are mortals who are gifted with the ability to practice magic. Why was that so hard for the show to simply admit, instead of telling us one thing and showing us another? Typical Kern!
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Apr 21, 2009 15:28:38 GMT -5
That's because Prue CAN DIE like non-magical mortals. Which made her a mortal. And she can die like a demon too, so does that make her a demon? And a demon can die like a mortal, so does that mean demons are also mortals? No. Mortal is Charmed's very own homonym. It's spelt and pronounced the same, with two different meanings depending on context. |
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Post by ljones on Apr 21, 2009 22:54:05 GMT -5
That's because Prue CAN DIE like non-magical mortals. Which made her a mortal. And she can die like a demon too, so does that make her a demon? And a demon can die like a mortal, so does that mean demons are also mortals? No. Mortal is Charmed's very own homonym. It's spelt and pronounced the same, with two different meanings depending on context. Can demons die from gunshot wounds and cancer? I don't think so. Sorry, but I"m not buying your argument. As far as I'm concerned, the Halliwells were mortals. Even if Leo had cried from the rooftoop that they weren't . . . they were. They died like mortals. They aged like mortals. They were mortals. But if you want to buy Leo's claim (which has never been proven, by the way), knock yourself out. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Apr 22, 2009 12:46:05 GMT -5
Demons may not be able to die from gunshot wounds but they can die from a shoe going or anything pointy ramming into their bodies.
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Post by brian1993 on Apr 22, 2009 13:20:02 GMT -5
In my opinion i don't think children should have been aloud there powers until a certain age. Well all depending on their power.
If it was something such a premonitions a power that wasn't that risky then maybe yes. But Wyatt had anything but a that, he
could orb which proved dangerous to Chris, especially in Cheaper By The Coven and when you think about it in depth Wyatt could have caused Chris extreme harm. So unless the power is safe to themselves and others I would have their powers bound.
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Post by ljones on Apr 22, 2009 16:52:24 GMT -5
In my opinion i don't think children should have been aloud there powers until a certain age. Well all depending on their power. If it was something such a premonitions a power that wasn't that risky then maybe yes. But Wyatt had anything but a that, he could orb which proved dangerous to Chris, especially in Cheaper By The Coven and when you think about it in depth Wyatt could have caused Chris extreme harm. So unless the power is safe to themselves and others I would have their powers bound. Amen to that. So can mortals. What is your point? |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Apr 23, 2009 16:17:01 GMT -5
That demons are basically just as mortal as TCOs are. Just take away the bullets and sickness.
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Post by ljones on Apr 24, 2009 1:20:23 GMT -5
So . . . instead of claiming that the Charmed Ones are not mortal, you're claiming that demons are also mortal?
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Apr 24, 2009 12:33:31 GMT -5
So . . . instead of claiming that the Charmed Ones are not mortal, you're claiming that demons are also mortal? Not exactly. I'm not sure about CharmedFaith, but he seems to be going in the same direction I was going in earlier: pointing out how ridiculous it is to consider that witches are (your definition of) "mortal" and demons are not, when witches and demons can die in the same ways. Going strictly by dictionary definition - which appears to be your stance - then barring all demons with the power of immortality, all demons are mortals as well. Of course, I guess if everyone is then a mortal, then what is a mortal according to Charmed? Perhaps someone with powers instead of someone without. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Apr 24, 2009 14:55:55 GMT -5
So . . . instead of claiming that the Charmed Ones are not mortal, you're claiming that demons are also mortal? Not exactly. I'm not sure about CharmedFaith, but he seems to be going in the same direction I was going in earlier Yep going in the same direction as you  |
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Post by ljones on Apr 26, 2009 21:45:28 GMT -5
Demons do not die from bullets. Demons do not die from mortal diseases like cancer. The Charmed Ones and their family members do not have long age spans like demons and other supernatural beings. They age in the same manner as non-magical mortals.
You can't figure this out and realize that the Charmed Ones and other witches are simply mortals who are gifted with the ability to practice magic?
Is it really that important to you to accept Leo's ridiculous claim that the Halliwells are not mortals without any proof, whatsoever? Because Leo has never been able to prove this. Did Brad Kern, Constance Burge and their writers really expected us to accept this claim of Leo's, without them offering any proof? And ignore the proof presented in many episodes that they are capable of dying or aging like non-magical mortals?
Are we really expected to be that stupid?
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Apr 26, 2009 22:09:39 GMT -5
Demons do not die from bullets. Demons do not die from mortal diseases like cancer. The Charmed Ones and their family members do not have long age spans like demons and other supernatural beings. They age in the same manner as non-magical mortals. You can't figure this out and realize that the Charmed Ones and other witches are simply mortals who are gifted with the ability to practice magic? Mortal diseases? How do you know a demon can't die from a disease like cancer? We've never seen proof of this in the series. Mortal means liable to death. Demons are liable to death, thus they are mortal. Mortals who, like the Halliwells, "are gifted with the ability to practice magic". And Charmed merely distinguishes between the two by using mortal to describe the non-magical. Leo's claim makes sense. |
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Post by ljones on Apr 26, 2009 23:10:51 GMT -5
This is your proof for . . . what? That the Charmed Ones are NOT mortal, or that demons are mortals? Which is it?  |
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Apr 28, 2009 16:40:23 GMT -5
This is your proof for . . . what? That the Charmed Ones are NOT mortal, or that demons are mortals? Which is it? Both. Using the standard (dictionary) definition of mortal: both demons and witches (without the power of immortality) are mortal. However, at the same time, magical beings still distinguish themselves from non-magical beings using mortal to describe non-magicals and non-mortal to describe people gifted with magic. I see it as similar to using "white" and "black" to describe a person's skin color. White skin and black skin don't exist (with the exception of rare albinos and melanics), but we still use these terms to distinguish between the skin differences in the same way that magical beings use mortal to distinguish themselves from the non-magical. |
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Post by ljones on Apr 28, 2009 16:49:35 GMT -5
Pardon me for being rude, but what kind of lame ass explanation is this? Christ sakes! BOTH?? What a waste of my time. |
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Post by ~Andrew~ on Apr 28, 2009 22:00:27 GMT -5
i don't want to interfere into this arguement...but my opinion is that the witches were mortals with gifted powers.
The way I saw it, the only way a demon could die was being vanquish/killed/murdered...whatever u wanna call it. Did any demon actually die of old age or natural causes?
Meanwhile, the charmed ones were susceptible to dying of old age and diseases and all kinds of stuff just like non-magical human beings die of.
However the demons weren't immortal either, seeing as there are many ways to kill them. Unless you go by the definition that immortality is extremely long life.
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