Charmed Children?

[dylan345]

But Paige was their sister, born from the same mother, into their family. If she were a cousin, or niece, or some other relative, then it wouldn't have worked. I believe Paige works because she and her sisters had the same mother.

I also believe that the power of three is for Prue, Piper, Phoebe, and Paige, and only for them. Like other people have said, the prophecy never mentioned the power arising anytime there were three sisters in the family. It said it would happen once. The idea that it will continue into the future makes what happened to our Charmed Ones less special.

[Esmeralda]

I would say that this is another one where The Power of Three was used so inconsistently (typical Kern) that there are no rules. Just like the little girl at the end with Wyatt and Chris--is she their sister or isn't she?--each fan can decided whatever he or she wants.

[Patrick]

THe little girl in the end, was Piper's third child. Kern said so in an interview, I think in one of the special features in the Season 8 DVD.

He said her name was Prudence, which was another nod to Prue (s1-s3).

I'll try and find the exact quote.

[Esmeralda]

But as has been discussed ad nauseum in other threads, Kern didn't care enough to put that in the show--he only said that after all the fans were upset. So since he didn't put it in the show, fans can let that little girl be whoever they want.

Fans who want "The Charmed Sons" to not include her say that if she was truly Piper's daughter, Piper would have mentioned that she had a daughter, the way Paige named Henry Jr and mentioned the twins, and Piper would also have a picture of her and Chris and Wyatt on the wall. She didn't--she only had a picture of Chris and Wyatt. Those fans say that little girl is either one of Paige's or Phoebe's daughters or a friend of the boys.

Those who believe she *is* Piper's daughter point out that that ending is showing each of the three families and that Kern obviously wanted each family to have three kids. Sappy but true. I'm one who believes that. Since I believe that "Forever Charmed" is Piper's delusion as she dies after the explosion in "Kill Billie, Vol 2" (I thought it when I first saw the episode and nothing has ever been said to convince me to think otherwise), it would make sense that she would want herself to have the daughter she always wanted, but also to not know what that daughter's name is and to not see her pictured with Chris and Wyatt on the wall. If Kern cared enough to make her be Piper's daughter, he would've done both of these things. He didn't.

IF "Forever Charmed" truly happened, although Kern wrote that Piper's daughter's name is Melinda and Piper's granddaughter is Prue, I think that Piper would've named her daughter Prudence, as they were going to name Wyatt when they thought he would be a girl--Melinda was the name of the daughter in the alternate universe when Prue was still alive.

Personally, I believe anything that Kern wrote in the Charmed Magazine as far as I can throw the Manor! It's spin, trying to explain his mistakes. Nothing more; nothing less. I'll trust what he found important enough to include in the show a lot more. The only ones he found important were the boys--Wyatt, Chris, Henry Jr and grandson Matthew. We have no idea what the names of the girls are, so again, fans can name them whatever they want.

There's an entire discussion on this here.

[ghostrider]

Hello Patrick,

I don't know where you are with your school paper and if you are still looking to compose something along your original line of thinking, but....if you are I would like to add this to all of the wonderful contributions you have received.

According to the information I have viewed, Melinda Warren did of course make the prophecy:

Melinda Warren is an ancestor of the Charmed Ones; in fact, she was the one who created the Charmed prophecy.[1] She was born on October 31, 1670 outside of a rural village in the Colony and Dominion of Virginia; the daughter of a witch named Charlotte.

She possessed all three of the powers that the Charmed Ones shared. Making her, I would presume, more powerful than them, as an individual, but collectively, and as the whole she said they would become....adding to the mix that their powers had grown...
they would be far more powerful than she ever was...as long as they lived.

Melinda possessed the three original powers that the Charmed Ones later develop separately; Telekinesis, Molecular Immobilization, and Premonition .[1] There is no indication that her powers ever developed into the secondary powers held by the Charmed Ones (astral projection, molecular combustion, levitation, and empathy).

If I understand you correctly, you are looking for a way to continue the Power, of the Charmed Ones, so....if collectively they are stronger, and seeing evil for what it is, and even speculating a return far greater than they have seen and know...who is to say that collectively they do not make a prophecy for a continuance sometime in the future?

It wouldn't have to be Phoebe's daughters at all. It could be one of them that has 3 daughters, or Paige or Piper's daughter. It just depends on how far into the future you wish to travel.

I know this part is off topic but I thought it an interesting journey through our part...darkly.....Anne Boleyn could have saved herself with a lie offered to her by Henry, but chose to die in order for her daughter Elizabeth to be Queen.

Melinda could have escaped, but chose not to do so for fear of exposing her young daughter, Prudence Warren, as a witch.[3]

[CharmedFaith]

There is no way that the little girl in the end was Pipers third daughter. Look at how old Piper was (like what? atleast 60+?) and look at how young "Prudence" was. Its highly doubtful.

[Patrick]

Thanks a lot, GR.

I was actually pushed for time, and decided to do my paper on my alter egos. But I saved everything I've done so far on this topic for my next paper. So I actually have MORE time now, and I'm so lucky I did, for now I have what you just pointed out to me for more information.

I never thought of the Charmed Ones continuing their power like that. I had this notion in my mind that Melinda's prohpetic power would be the only one. But if these Charmed Ones were to be even more powerful than her the more they grew, why can't they continue their own power? It's an interesting thought.

I think I might take that and either do two things with it?

1) Wyatt, son of a destined Charmed One, could have three children himself who he wanted his power to continue. He would want his children to work in unison with each other just like his mom did with her sister, just like he did with his siblings, and like his cousins did. But with Wyatt being so powerful and all, he would know that his children would have to split it equally without giving one too much power (like Wyatt himself). So Wyatt could be the one to continue the Power, from which he came from AND was born from.

2) When Prue died, and the power of Three was broken. Of course the prophecy would be void. But they found a way around it and reconstituted the Power Of Three through Paige. So we know that this prophecy can be cheated.
Having said that, lets say the Charmed Ones get old and tired of having to fight demons and magic, etc... So They relinquish their powers for safe keeping.

[This is where the prophecy of Melinda Warren dies]

But Piper, Phoebe, and Paige keep their powers somewhere safe until they decide to pass it on to their children. Now once they pass it on, these new children would have the Powers of the one they were given. Thus harnessing the Power of Three from which the original power was born. But since the children are not the prophesied Sisters, then they will create a whole new set of the Power of Three.

[That is where the Power of Three continues, without Melinda's prophecy]

Of course I'm still thinking of similar ways to go about this. But that key moment in time, when they used Paige to cheat the prophecy opened up many other avenues.

I might also do some more thinking about Wyatt's special destiny, or even play around with Paige's twins. Since twins are magical mirrors, so to speak, and play around with the possibilities there, maybe even try and create some power the Twins' kids could have. Or maybe if one twin dies, the other becomes 2x powerful (playing off of the myth that when one twin dies, the other gains the deceased ones attributes).

I don't know. I'm still going over a lot of possibilities. I may include more than one in my paper.

[Patrick]

And I would Imagine Kern making all of the additions(some may say mistakes) he did in Forever Charmed. Season 8 was an encore season all by itself, so you of course he would want to please the fans as much as possible. I actually liked the Ending to Something Wicca This Way Goes, better.

So you can't be mad at him. If it weren't for us, then there would have been no Forever Charmed ending to talk about.

[Astral Echo]

As I said the fact that they cheated (as you put it) and allowed Paige replace Prue even though according to Melinda Warren the power would culminate in the arrival of three sisters who would become the Charmed Ones. But those three sisters were Prue, Piper and Phoebe. So how did Paige gain access to that power?

Apart from inconsistency, in my head, it all has to do with destiny. Until that destiny is complete, the Po3 will keep passing down the Warren line settling with in every three sisters until this destiny is completed. This would allow past Warren sisters to also harness this power, just cause it wasn't part of canon doesn't mean it can't happen. And just because it wasn't part canon, doesn't mean future Warren sisters can't harness the Po3. Whatever that destiny is, is up to the writer as it was never made part of canon. In my head, the whole vanquishing of the Source is the destiny. In my head, it is only logical to assume that the Source, the power of the Source, the actual Source of All Evil that makes an ordinary person/demon like Cole or the original "Source" into the leader of the Underworld was never vanquished. It was simply banished until the next individual takes power. We saw the "Orginal Source" and Cole but it doesn't mean there weren't pervious Source's and it doesn't mean there won't be future ones.

I personally believe until the Source of the power that makes a source a Source is vanquished, there will forever be a need for the Po3.

[Patrick]

Astral, I saw your point earlier, but I must've forgotten it.

I will indeed adopt that as a possibility. I'm not saying no to anything right now.

*sigh* of course, possibilities could be limitless. But yours seem to be the most logical one based off of Show evidence. Although, it may have it's weaknesses, like why were they offered a chance to give up their powers in S4 if another Source could be made in the future? This will disallow the CO to continue their power through the line. The AoD would have made them completely mortal, to the point everything magically connected to them would be gone. I would think this would include the magic gene within them, so they couldn't have magical kids.

[Astral Echo]

I'm not so sure. It does depend I suppose. But didn't Destiny simply say they would no longer be witches, as in mortal. It wouldn't change what was in there blood, the true habit of their powers, as we learned from Season 2.

You also have the remember that the Source was brought back in S8, thought temporally, without the CO's invention he might of returned to full power.

I think Destiny's offer would be a way for the sisters to go back to their normal lives. The destiny of the Po3 could live on. I'm not sure.

[Patrick]

Hmm, but in order for the CO to live normal lives would include normal children....

And if you think about it, Mandy/demon used Wyatt's power (Halliwell magic) to bring the source back. Wyatt wouldn't have that power if Piper agreed to the AoD's offer in the first place. So if you look at it, it could go either way.

[ljones]

Hmm, but in order for the CO to live normal lives would include normal children....

Why? Why does having a "normal" life have to include children?

[CharmedFaith]

Sept 6, 2009 11:55:08 GMT -5 ljones said:

Hmm, but in order for the CO to live normal lives would include normal children....

Why? Why does having a "normal" life have to include children?

...I think they are talking about non-magical children. Which TCO would have even if they were made mortal.

[ghostrider]

Posted by Astral Sulu on 9/5/09 at 8:48pm

I'm not so sure. It does depend I suppose. But didn't Destiny simply say they would no longer be witches, as in mortal. It wouldn't change what was in there blood, the true habit of their powers, as we learned from Season 2.

This is an very interesting point, regarding the blood of TCO's. Astral Monkey, now I don't recall all of the fine lines in that, but the doctor ended up with power by injecting their blood into his system and also doing that with the monkeys. They only had so many options on how to deal with that. I don't believe it was ever mentioned, but...if they had died or become fully mortal, would he have reverted back? If he had later had children, would he have passed it on? Astral Monkey might have been an over-sight or a mistake on the part of the writers as the doctor had nothing to do with the prophsey...it also showed that animals could receive power by their blood. If you think about it, that is very Biblical. Now, how remarkable it that?

[Astral Echo]

I don't think it effected the destiny or the prophecy at all. It was simply the root of their powers, what made them witches. However if Destiny was to take away them powers, they'd still have that blood, that blood that makes them witches. It wouldn't contain their powers anymore but it would still contain their heritage, Patty was still their mother and she was still a witch when they were concieved, that doesn't change.

Which means, their witch genes can still be passed on, whether their children manifest any powers is another thing all together. It would be cool if this time, had the sisters given up their powers, that the boys like Grams said, didn't recieve any powers or atleast couldn't manifest them...but the girls did.

[Patrick]

I had the most revealing of revelations, check this out:

The Warren line of witches consists of females in every generation to culminate in the arrival of the Charmed Ones. In theory, after the Charmed Ones, they too will have female children continuing the Warren tradition. We see this is in Morality Bites, Piper and Leo give birth to Melinda.

But when Prue dies, it breaks the tradition, since there is no need for it, seeing Melinda's prophecy is no more.

Now, when they reconstitute the PO3, whose to say they didn't make their own prophecy right there? As we see, tradition is broken. Piper birthed a magical BOY, just as powerful as the Charmed ones themselves, and after that another Boy who saved the future of magic everywhere.

Evidence goes to show that Melinda Warren's prophecy died in All Hell Breaks Loose, but it was still "fresh" so to speak and I say that The Charmed Ones took that short opening and created their own by reconstituting the Power of Three.

Definition of Reconstitute:
- to construct something anew, or in a different manner;

The Charmed Ones took their heritage and reconstructed it, starting a heritage of their own.


I'm so proud of myself for coming up with this, (With Astral's wonderful help) I feel like it's THE answer I've been looking for. What do you guys think? I started thinking this when Astral talked about the CO giving birth to boys with no powers, one thought let to another and bang, this theory!

[Astral Echo]

Glad I inspired someone. And it works, it does work. Good theory.

[foxfire]

The prophecy ended when the Charmed Ones first got their powers. It never said anything about it continuing on past the fact that the Warren line would culminate in the Power of Three. It's not like on Buffy where the prophecy continues on and on... and on... and on... although Buffy and Willow did more or less change it at the end of season 7.

[Patrick]

I was talking about traditions of Warrens, like birthing only females.

When Prue died, the prophecy sort of "shortened out" I guess you could say, leaving Piper and Phoebe to be regular Halliwells. All former traditions lost because it all led up to that moment, but since Prue was no more, the traditions died also. So when they found Paige, they picked up their own tradition, based off of their former Warren tradition. Allowing Piper to birth a boy, and have all their children be special, etc... bla bla bla

If Prue were still alive it would have been Piper's girl, she probably would not have been as special as Wyatt or Chris, we may never know, but from what we do, she was a regular witch who didn't use her power.

You see how Prue's death affected everything? That's what I mean? I'm saying that their future changed because They reconstituted the Prophecy in their own way.