Charmed Children?

[Assassin Witch]

I don't care what people's view on the Family Tree is. Grams had a brother. There were males in the family. Just no male witches. Big difference.

Wyatt had his own prophecy..blah blah blah, Brad Kern's an a-hole for that, we all know this. But for me, Chris gets his powers from Leo, who had telekinesis, which is Chris's main ability.

I don't believe that they'll be another set of Charmed Ones. Honestly, I believe having Paige shouldn't have been able to reconstruct the Power of Three. They only did that because that's how the show was to continue.

And if TCO had agreed to living normal lives from the S4 finale, it wouldn't change the fact that Piper's child would still be magical. One, hi, Leo's magical. Two, it's genetic. It's still in their genes, whether they use their gifts or not.

[foxfire]

I always saw it as it having nothing to do with the Warren line and having everything to do with Leo. Then again, I still don't understand how a whitelighter (who is, after all, technically dead) can have children. It's kind of like how Darla and Angel ended up having Connor AKA the boy who literally turned an amazing show into a steaming pile of "WTF is Joss Whedon DOING?!"

Anywhoo....... but truly I feel that Wyatt was merely a way of making fans think twice about the status quo. It was merely one of those "Gotcha!" moments on television.

[sookie]

I kinda like what Patrick is saying...it makes sense to me.
but then again, I like the thought of Piper, Paige, and Phoebe breaking Melinda's prophecy and them reconstructing their own prophecies.
After all, they are suppose to be all powerful so why not have a whole other line of prophecies starting with them and their children.
New rules, new game.

[Esmeralda]

That would work if Chris had his own prophecy (he didn't--he was the second child born in an alley that everyone felt sorry for, the reason why it was never pointed out that thanks to Big Chris' action, he was actually half-Elder, more powerful than his half-whitelighter brother--if they had mentioned that, then they wouldn't be trying to make us feel sorry for the lying, whining, murdering brat...) and each of Phoebe's daughters and all of Paige's kids each had their own prophecy. That didn't happen.

And the thing is "prophecy" means something that has been told before, meaning the Warrens would have known about the prophecy of The Twice-Blessed Child as much as they would have known about the prophecy of The Charmed Ones, and since The Twice-Blessed Child was prophesied to be so much more powerful than The Charmed Ones, why even have the Charmed Ones except for one of them to birth The Twice-Blessed Child? Despite what the Angel of Destiny said (remember that the one at the end didn't tell them what their destiny really was either until the end), that--to be the ones who birth and protect The Twice-Blessed Child was their true destiny--who cares about being the protector of the innocents?--which is what makes the last four seasons so stupid. It's so much easier to just accept the first three seasons as Charmed and the last five as an alternate universe that has absolutely nothing to do with the first four!

[kevin88x]

wait a min

why phoebe ?? i mean sorry but i thought piper was the one who brought the biggest threat for all demons in the world to live : WYATT! i love to see a group of mixtures why does it always have to be th power of 3 it could also be all cousins en nieces together it would be a bit much maybe but i hoe people get my point i wouuld love to see some boys in action for a change

im with TEAM CHRIS&WYATT

[Esmeralda]

Sept 17, 2009 8:42:42 GMT -5 kevin88x said:

wait a min

why phoebe ?? i mean sorry but i thought piper was the one who brought the biggest threat for all demons in the world to live : WYATT! i love to see a group of mixtures why does it always have to be th power of 3 it could also be all cousins en nieces together it would be a bit much maybe but i hoe people get my point i wouuld love to see some boys in action for a change

im with TEAM CHRIS&WYATT

Because Phoebe is the only sister who had three daughters and only three sisters can access The Power of Three, the most powerful connection ever according to early Charmed mythology, making Phoebe's daughters the most powerful of the cousins, despite not having their own prophecy.

Of course this assumes that "Forever Charmed" really happened and isn't Piper's fantasy as she and the other two die after the explosion at the end of "Kill Billie Vol 2", as I believe it is. If "Forever Charmed" didn't happen, as I don't think it did, then the only ones in the next generation would be Wyatt and Chris and the prophecy would make sense, as would a "Charmed Sons" spin-off.

But if "Forever Charmed" really happened, then, no, I'd want to see *all* the cousins, with all of the witchlighters (Piper's kids and Paige's kids) helping out the *true* next set of Charmed Ones, especially if those three are the reincarnation of Grams, Patty and Prue. That's the spin-off *I* would like to see....

I'm with TEAM PHOEBE'S DAUGHTERS!

[ghostrider]

Posted by Esmeralda on 9/17/09 at 12:09pm

I'm with TEAM PHOEBE'S DAUGHTERS!

For openers I'm with Es...I sort of look at it as not changing the prophesy, just continuing it.

But speaking of the foretelling as spoken by Melinda, I just watched "All Halliwell's Eve" last night and learned what I once knew but had forgotten...how the prophesy came about.

As the sisters are about to be catapulted back to their own time, they learn that they helped bring into the world the ancestor that spoke of their coming. Charlotte's states that Melinda will be told of the three powerful witches who were responsible for her being there..I believe it was Phoebe who tells them that they are related.

I think of this as an interesting time-space continuum. While they are in their time...the foretelling is already in place, but if they didn't go back, it wouldn't be....is this history repeating its self or just running in circles?

One definition of a prophesy:
to predict with assurance or on the basis of mystic knowledge

So another foretelling or an addendum to....works for me.

[erikamarie]

I think the Melinda Warren's prophecy was a one time prophecy,the power of her dinasty has reached its peak with the Halliwell sisters,their descendants'll be normal witches.
The Power of Three allows to say powerful spell, those spell helped to fight the Source and the upper level demons,I don't believe someone else'll be able to say them,even Wyatt
In Chris Crossed Chris showed to be a powerful witch saying the time travel spell but he asked for the Power of Three to fight the upper level demons,Bianca told Wyatt have had trouble to write the spell to send her in the past,Piper's sons can't use the Power of Three not because are two and males but because that power was mint only for the Halliwell sisters

[Esmeralda]

I agree with you totally, erikamarie.

ETA: Sorry for mis-spelling your name. Since my own screen name and real name are mis-spelled so often, I really feel bad for doing that.

[desi393]

I think everyone's debating continuity problems with the show. The Charmed were SUPPOSED to be the culmination and the most powerful source of good. Originally there were no good male witches, they were called warlocks and were evil. Later they introduced The Twice Blessed (who made Piper INVINCIBLE while she was pregnant with him-- yep, that trumps levitation) and now males can be witches. They further screwed up by introducing Billie and calling her the Ultimate Power, so much for culmination and the most powerful source of good. Everyone can come up with theories (there's quite a few that I liked) but the truth is that the writers didn't stay true to themselves.

[CharmedFaith]

Um...Max from S1 was a good witch. And well he was a male.

[erikamarie]

I struggled to understand:in this site the majority said they loved Charmed because it was the story of three sisters who happen to become witches, they complained about the excessive powers of Billie and Chrisy and then imagine a next generation worthy of Heroes
Why? if the Charmed One were the most powerful witches, their children cannot be as their mothers, they'll be as Chris, able to cast spell, able to make potions, with some power from the Warren line, powers that cannot develope further because they aren't Charmed One
Wyatt is different,his powers don't belong to the Warren line but to the day he was born and his greatest power is the ability to interact with magic without spells

the story of the next generation could be the story of cousins who happen to be related with the powerful Charmed One and the powerful twice blessed not the story of superwitches

Desi in the first seasons of Charmed there were good male witches, good male witches have always existed; Prue said that the powers in her family passed only to the women, a male would be powerless
Wyatt got his powers from rare astral conjunction,Chris is born from the matriarch of the Charmed One and his father is a whitelighter -the Elders transfer their powers so I do not think they are heritable- but Henry jr,why should he have powers? His grandfather is a whitwlighter,very little to overturn the Warren traditions

[desi393]

I could have sworn that somewhere in the first season they were told that men with powers were not considered witches, they were warlocks and evil. Maybe I'm mistaken. I'm not saying that they didn't have good male witches on the show just that it was explained at one point that there was no such thing (pointing out the continuity problem with the writing). I also completely understand that the Charmed Ones were supposed to be the most powerful, but along the way the writers again lost focus, introducing Wyatt and Billie and Christie.
I preferred when the stories were about sisters who happened to be witches, but I got witches who were sisters and Wyatt, Billie, Excalibur (?!) and Christie. If you're continuing in the vain that the writers went then the Next Gen seems stronger. If you're not expecting the characters to be stronger but stay "canon" for Wyatt then there's nothing for any Charmed offspring to do but stare in wonder at King Wyatt. Pretty dull.

[Patrick]

Apr 20, 2010 8:04:19 GMT -5 desi393 said:

I could have sworn that somewhere in the first season they were told that men with powers were not considered witches, they were warlocks and evil. Maybe I'm mistaken. I'm not saying that they didn't have good male witches on the show just that it was explained at one point that there was no such thing (pointing out the continuity problem with the writing)

Although some popular fiction portrays warlocks as male counterparts to witches, Charmed does not.

Warlocks are simply the evil counterparts of witches, and either can be male or female. We've seen both. I don't think Charmed ever put it that male witches were warlocks. That just doesn't sound right at all.

[desi393]

I could be mistaken but I really did think it had been explained...maybe when the sisters faced the three brothers who were their opposite (one was trying to become a priest because he didn't want to be evil)- I thought it was that episode anyway but I could have misunderstood or misinterpretted. I honestly have always thought that was a problem, things are explained (or misunderstood as the case may well be) one way and later down the road explained a different way. It's hard to be sure of the exact "rules" of the Charmed world because I think the writers themselves didn't know or didn't care enough to remember their earlier work.

[Astral Echo]

Charmed did screw with their own rules but what can you expect with Kern at the helm!

But no, it was never said that male witches were all evil warlock. However Prue said to Andy that if she was to have a son, he wouldn't be witch, it could either be that as newbie she didn't actually know the facts or that's she assumed as Warren's didn't seem produce males.

I always follow the rule that Warren's can produce males but they are born powerless. Wyatt could be an exception, he was born on a powerful day. Chris was a thingy up!

[Patrick]

Sept 1, 2009 7:58:02 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Patrick, I'm glad we were able to help you with what you needed.

Yeah, thanks guys. It's interesting all of your different views on it.

[ljones]

The Rowe brothers were the so-called warlock version of the Charmed Ones. Quite simply, they were bad witches. However, there has been an evil witch who was not called a warlock - like the redhead from "That Old Black Magic".

The problem is that the series' description of warlocks never made any sense. This is how it had described warlocks:

Actually, a witch can be either good or evil. A good witch follows the wiccan rede. 'An it harm none, do what ye will.' A bad witch or a warlock has but one goal: to kill good witches and retain their powers. Unfortunately, the look like regular people. They could be anyone, anywhere.

One, a good witch doesn't necessarily follow the Wiccan rede. There are witches WHO ARE NOT Wiccans. An example would be those who follow Stregheria. Two, warlocks were described in real life as former witches who have broken their oaths as witches. Oath breakers. Three, the show portrayed warlocks as immortals or demonic. Warlocks either went into game face, could live for decades or centuries like demons or had non-mortal names. Again, this does not make any sense.

From Day One, CHARMED's descriptions of warlocks have been on shaky ground.

[Esmeralda]

Apr 20, 2010 12:06:25 GMT -5 ljones said:

The Rowe brothers were the so-called warlock version of the Charmed Ones. Quite simply, they were bad witches. However, there has been an evil witch who was not called a warlock - like the redhead from "That Old Black Magic".

The problem is that the series' description of warlocks never made any sense. This is how it had described warlocks:

Actually, a witch can be either good or evil. A good witch follows the wiccan rede. 'An it harm none, do what ye will.' A bad witch or a warlock has but one goal: to kill good witches and retain their powers. Unfortunately, the look like regular people. They could be anyone, anywhere.

One, a good witch doesn't necessarily follow the Wiccan rede. There are witches WHO ARE NOT Wiccans. An example would be those who follow Stregheria. Two, warlocks were described in real life as former witches who have broken their oaths as witches. Oath breakers. Three, the show portrayed warlocks as immortals or demonic. Warlocks either went into game face, could live for decades or centuries like demons or had non-mortal names. Again, this does not make any sense.

From Day One, CHARMED's descriptions of warlocks have been on shaky ground.

Well, not from Day One, since it stayed consistent through the series premiere, but from there on in, you're right. I wish that warlocks had remained the way that Phoebe described them and that when the Charmed Ones did all of the horrible things they did, *they* would've become warlocks. What they did in S6 to Darryl and Rick was no worse than what other warlocks had done. Ditto for what they did to Cole in S5.