Piper3
Whitelighter
Posts: 2,815
|
Post by Piper3 on Sept 15, 2009 20:43:33 GMT -5
What do you think about the whole Kanye West/Taylor Swift thing?
|
|
|
|
Post by Piper Sorelli Halliwellღ on Sept 15, 2009 20:51:25 GMT -5
Something that is totally like Kanye to do. He just seems to be a really rude person in my opinion... I felt really bad for Taylor but then Beyonce let her go back and finish which was good!  Even though I thought what he did was wrong and I felt bad I still found it pretty funny haha. |
|
Esmeralda
Charmed
S2 "What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Twenty Years Gone....But Never Forgotten.
Posts: 21,920 
|
Post by Esmeralda on Sept 15, 2009 23:28:11 GMT -5
West has the right to his opinion, but to say it at that time was truly, truly rude. What I found funny was how much everyone booed him and cheered Taylor.
It also showed what a bully West is, to do a thing like that when it's a young teenager. Someone pointed out that what if it had been Pink who had won that award? She would've beaten him to a bloody pulp, but we're also guessing that had Pink won, even if West felt that way, he wouldn't have done what he did. What a bully!!
And Beyonce, for what she did, I could hug her. She showed that she truly has a ton of class. She has more class in her baby finger than West has in his entire body.
He should be banned from future award shows, but you know he won't, because MTV is lapping up all of the publicity that is coming from this. I know I never would've even known the VMAs had been on had it not been for this.
Between him and Michael Jordan and Serena Williams and that senator during the president's speech, what a week for rude people!
|
|
Piper3
Whitelighter
Posts: 2,815
|
Post by Piper3 on Sept 16, 2009 18:03:21 GMT -5
I thought it was pretty funny too. I agree with Kanye that Taylor didn't deserve the award but I think he should have made a blog or something about it. I don't think he should have went on stage like that, it was very rude. So when I say Taylor didn't deserve the award it not cause I think Kanye is right, I just think Beyonce had a better video. I thought Beyonce was really cool for the way she handled it. She was nice about it. Did you hear Taylor was crying backstage?
|
|
|
|
Post by The Original P3 on Sept 16, 2009 19:09:31 GMT -5
So when I say Taylor didn't deserve the award it not cause I think Kanye is right, I just think Beyonce had a better video. Which is why Beyonce won Video of the Year. Kanye had no right to step on Taylor's moment. A right to his opinion, sure. But there's a place and time and that was not it. |
|
Piper3
Whitelighter
Posts: 2,815
|
Post by Piper3 on Sept 17, 2009 17:46:35 GMT -5
So when I say Taylor didn't deserve the award it not cause I think Kanye is right, I just think Beyonce had a better video. Which is why Beyonce won Video of the Year. Kanye had no right to step on Taylor's moment. A right to his opinion, sure. But there's a place and time and that was not it. I know she won video of the year. But with video of the year she should have automatically gotten best female video. |
|
Esmeralda
Charmed
S2 "What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Twenty Years Gone....But Never Forgotten.
Posts: 21,920
|
Post by Esmeralda on Sept 18, 2009 9:26:34 GMT -5
But that very seldom happens, especially with fan-voted awards, like this one, where because Taylor was only nominated for this one and not for the big one, all of her fans will just vote for her on this one. Taylor is very popular with teenaged fans, both country and pop, and they tend to be the ones who are more fanatic about their favorite, so they're the ones who are going to vote a lot. I'm sure the nomination was mentioned on her website, so country fans who have never watched MTV probably went to the site and voted for her. This is probably what West was angry about, because a similar thing happened with country star Gretchen Wilson a few years ago, and he talked out about that after that show. Had he done the same thing with Taylor here, this thread wouldn't even be here--it was his timing that sucked, not what he said.
Unfortunately, with polls like this one, popularity often has a lot more to do with the quality of the product--more than likely, Taylor's fans were voting for her, much more than the video.
This doesn't mean that Beyonce is less popular than Taylor--I'm sure she's not--it's just which demographic she's popular with.
But this is off-topic. Even if what you're saying was true, so Taylor winning the female award would mean that Beyonce couldn't win the big one, West still had no right to do what he did. It still wouldn't excuse West his rudeness or take away from Beyonce's graciousness or Taylor's courage for still being able to do her song so soon after such an embarrassing moment.
|
|
ljones
Whitelighter
Posts: 4,123
|
Post by ljones on Sept 18, 2009 10:22:50 GMT -5
What do you think about the whole Kanye West/Taylor Swift thing? Who cares? This incident happened between two people we personally do not know; and Kanye West has already expressed remorse over the incident. Let's move on. |
|
Piper3
Whitelighter
Posts: 2,815
|
Post by Piper3 on Sept 18, 2009 16:05:18 GMT -5
ljones. If you don't want to talk about it and want to move on the please don't post. I wanted to see other peoples opionions about the subject. You didn't have to say anything. As for Es, I agree with you. But do you think its far for them to have made Kanye West leave the awards?
|
|
|
|
Post by The Original P3 on Sept 18, 2009 19:32:13 GMT -5
But do you think its far for them to have made Kanye West leave the awards? Very fair. In fact, had they not I would have been quite angry. Yes he has a right to his opinion, but time and place matter and that was neither the time nor place for him to express it in such a manner. The fact that he barged on stage, took the mic from the award winner, practically insulted her and said who he thought should have won then handed it back and walked away leaving Taylor speechless afterwards was just such poor taste. He had no right to bully a 19 year old country singer who had just won her first VMA simply because he disagreed. Not to mention Taylor had to get up the nerve to perform not 5 minutes later. So asking him to leave was generous. I would have kicked his ass out using security to drag him. |
|
Piper3
Whitelighter
Posts: 2,815
|
Post by Piper3 on Sept 18, 2009 20:35:13 GMT -5
It doesnt matter how old she was, she's in the entertainment world. She needs to toughen up. Look how much crap 17 year old Miley Cyrus takes. And you said she was country, why is she even at the VMAs? Kanye was rude for doing it but he got the VMAs a lot of press so why are they kicking him out? The same host was talking about the Jonas Brothers abstence rings and nothing happened to him.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Original P3 on Sept 18, 2009 21:41:41 GMT -5
Actually it does matter. Taylor is just out of her teenage years and Kanye is a grown adult who should know better than to act like someone who's younger than Taylor. And press? Who cares. They didn't receive all that massive press that exact moment. That came after the show.
If someone ruined a huge moment for you on national television with many people watching, you personally wouldn't want that person removed from the event? Also, I'm sure Kanye didn't even mind leaving given that every single time he was even mentioned throughout the night he was constantly boo'd.
Since MTV failed to stop him from getting on stage to begin with, I think asking him to leave was the very least they could do for Taylor.
|
|
Esmeralda
Charmed
S2 "What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Twenty Years Gone....But Never Forgotten.
Posts: 21,920
|
Post by Esmeralda on Sept 18, 2009 22:03:25 GMT -5
I didn't even know they had made West leave the awards, but I also would've been very angry had they not. I would've thought that he should've been made to leave no matter who he did that to, be he/she a teen, an adult, whatever.
Please note--Taylor didn't cry, didn't throw a fit, didn't insist that West needed to leave or anything like that--when she was on The View she said all she thought about was being disappointed at not getting to thank her fans and needing to get in the right zone in order to properly sing her song, which made me admire this teenager all the more.
Repeat: it was not Taylor who demanded that West leave; it was the producers. And it was Beyonce who wanted Taylor to have the chance to thank her fans--not the producers or Taylor.
This has absolutely nothing to do with Taylor needing to toughen up and everything with West needing to learn some manners--and the fact that the entire audience booed him and cheered Taylor shows that the producers did right by making him leave. I could hope that he later won an award that he was not able to accept; it would be proper justice or such rude behavior, which has properly made him a laughingstock despite how many times he's tried to apologize.
|
|
|
|
Post by SEERofCHAOS on Sept 18, 2009 22:12:03 GMT -5
I'm surprised at what Beyonce did for Taylor. Usually she gloats abou her career and I expected her to get up on stage and just make this whole large rant about how rude Kanye West was, trying to make herself look all high and mighty.
|
|
ljones
Whitelighter
Posts: 4,123
|
Post by ljones on Sept 18, 2009 22:46:31 GMT -5
Why is this topic so important to you? It's about two celebrities whom we personally know nothing about. It irks me because every time a celebrity "misbehaves", the press and the public make a big ruckus about it. And I don't understand why, since your average human being makes countless mistakes in the first place. Even worse, the media and the public usually try their damndest to ruin the career of said celebrity everytime something like this happens, as if THEY had a stake in the celebrity's career.
|
|
|
|
Post by The Original P3 on Sept 19, 2009 0:02:18 GMT -5
Why is this topic so important to you? It's about two celebrities whom we personally know nothing about. It irks me because every time a celebrity "misbehaves", the press and the public make a big ruckus about it. And I don't understand why, since your average human being makes countless mistakes in the first place. Even worse, the media and the public usually try their damndest to ruin the career of said celebrity everytime something like this happens, as if THEY had a stake in the celebrity's career. Why are you on a board discussing about a show you personally had nothing to do with? Same thing. These people are public figures which means they are fair game for discussion. Like they said, if it bothers you that people are adding to this incident, then just don't respond. That's the best thing you can do to "stop the gossip" because with the internet, this stuff never goes away...ever. |
|
|
|
Post by ghostrider on Sept 19, 2009 4:14:49 GMT -5
I didn't view any of this...and knew nothing about it until I visited The Cafe. Normally I would not comment on this sort of topic, as it has over the years become common place. But my sister has dragged me into the world of "Survivor", which I find fascinating and at times exciting....but also a bit disgraceful. So I guess we could blame her that I am chatting about this at all.
Now, I am a true Aries...I am both sarcastic and cynical.... debatable and often outspoken. I have crossed many lines and have been, like most of us, both right and wrong. But I would like to think that my parents raised me to understand that there is a stopping point....a thresh-hold that you do NOT cross that could label you as cruel and hurtful.
Celebrities are in the lime-light, and much is expected of them. Sometimes they comply with the human rules of engagement but often they do not. Perhaps they loose sight and get caught up in the moment. This is by no means is an excuse, just my personal observation.
Our species acting badly can be referenced in volumes of books. Those in the entertainment world are only a small percentage of the ignorance demonstrated by what is suspected to be the smartest, most knowledgeable creatures on earth.
Mr. KW stepped out of line. He demonstrated poor judgment and will in all likelihood have to deal with some bad press for a time. But, what of some of the average, everyday folks who sign up to travel to a distance land to prove how capable they are at dealing with natures elements and living to tell about it? Oh, yeah...and coming home with a million dollars.
Some of the lying, cheating, back stabbing antics I have watched on that show have made me want to throw-up. It makes the movie Cruel Intentions looks like a party. Couple this with the knowledge that they know their parents, children and friends and co-workers will soon be seeing what they are truly capable of has me wonder if they take the money and go home, or leave the country under a new identity.
I suppose I could wrap this up with a quote from Cyndi Lauper: (Money Changes Everything), but in the true end it is the human experience that teaches all. KW was only one facet of this equation. Perhaps we should gravitate to how the two ladies responded to the situation. Just a thought.....GR.
Addendum: If you threw a big party at your home and part of it was to award gifts for best dressed, most tastiest dish set at the buffet, what ever... and one of the guest didn't agree with you and really let you know it....would you ask them to leave? Well, if they made a spectacle out of themselves.....I would!!!
|
|
Piper3
Whitelighter
Posts: 2,815
|
Post by Piper3 on Sept 19, 2009 9:48:05 GMT -5
Why is this topic so important to you? It's about two celebrities whom we personally know nothing about. It irks me because every time a celebrity "misbehaves", the press and the public make a big ruckus about it. And I don't understand why, since your average human being makes countless mistakes in the first place. Even worse, the media and the public usually try their damndest to ruin the career of said celebrity everytime something like this happens, as if THEY had a stake in the celebrity's career. I didn't say anything bad about either one of them so it has nothing to do with a mistake. This is to get other peoples opionions. I was wondering how other people felt about the topic. Just like you might wonder what other people feel about Holly Combs having her 3rd child. Thanks TOP3! |
|
|
|
Post by foxfire on Sept 19, 2009 23:52:11 GMT -5
I'm surprised at what Beyonce did for Taylor. Usually she gloats abou her career and I expected her to get up on stage and just make this whole large rant about how rude Kanye West was, trying to make herself look all high and mighty. Clearly you don't really know Beyoncé very well at all. It was a typical thing for her to do and it's something she's always been gracious and caring. While people call her a diva and treat her like she's some glory hound... she's really just a talented woman who wants to do her best. I'm also shocked this wasn't mentioned: Taylor Swift had the highest selling record of 2009 (Fearless) which outsold Beyoncé's record... not to mention the fact that she sold around 70% more records than Kanye had this year. So it's quite possible they were going on the song and not the video. After all, do the MTV MVAs really ever have to do with the videos? Since Pink was mentioned, she reportedly did chew Kanye West out just before he was escorted out along with writing an angry tweet. Then there's Kelly Clarkson who called him an a**hole.  You have to hand it to Kanye, he managed to make people forget about Chris Brown... well... at least for a little while. |
|
Piper3
Whitelighter
Posts: 2,815
|
Post by Piper3 on Sept 20, 2009 9:29:25 GMT -5
I think what Kelly Clarkson did was wrong. She has a lot of young fans and for her to say such things to Kanye was just wrong. How does that make her any better than him?
|
|
