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Post by ljones on Feb 2, 2010 13:20:55 GMT -5
Did Piper and Leo ever get legally married from a mortal POV?
I realize that their marriage in Season 3's Just Married" was considered legal in the supernatural world, even if it wasn't legal in the mortal world. But once Leo became a mortal in mid-to-late Season 7, what happened? Did he and Piper ever decided to finally get married?
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 2, 2010 14:10:09 GMT -5
I don't think he could. As Piper loves pointing out to him during the beginning of S8 when she was busy emasculating him, he has no identity in this timeline (an error I made sure to fix in my own version of the finale), so legally he doesn't exist, which means legally he can't get married because as Dan pointed out back in S2, legally he doesn't have a birth certificate, something he wouldn't suddenly have just because he became mortal.
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Feb 3, 2010 10:42:40 GMT -5
She mentioned making their separation legal and moving forward to divorce which leads me to believe they figured out a way to deal with Leo's identity. However, i don't remember them actually divorcing though.
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Post by Astral Echo on Feb 3, 2010 11:01:46 GMT -5
In Charmed & Dangerous, Piper was trying to sign everything over to Leo in the event of their deaths. So Leo must of had his own identity by then.
Plus they conjured themselves whole new identities in S8, credit cards, passports...the lot. Why not Leo too?
The thing I noticed in C&D is that Piper said that Prue left her and Phoebe the Manor etc...but in SWTC, the house was willed to all of them! Another continuity error!
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 3, 2010 11:05:25 GMT -5
So even tho they'd magicked him up an identity as a whitelighter, Dan never found one and whitelighter Leo could get a passport and separated and divorced but mortal Leo couldn't get a job because he had no identity. Inconsistency on top of inconsistency on top of inconsistency on top of inconsistency... Thank God, or we wouldn't have a lot to talk about this long after the show has ended!  |
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 4, 2010 10:41:12 GMT -5
When Dan looked into Leo, Piper and Leo had not yet decided to marry. Piper did Leo's false documents when they decide to apply for marriage license,for this reason in Charmed & Dangerous Piper may designate Leo as her heir
About Prue's will, I think Piper would say that Prue left her Manor share to her sisters thereby avoiding any retaliation of any cousins even of Victor
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 4, 2010 10:50:35 GMT -5
You've got the point, but if they magicked up a birth certificate and social security card for Leo so he could get a passport (which he'd need in order to get one), why couldn't he get a job in S8? If he had, he wouldn't have become Piper's little errand boy.
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Post by ljones on Feb 4, 2010 10:52:38 GMT -5
Why did Piper even bother? She and Leo were never legally married to begin with. At least not in the mortal world. Piper had married a man who had been declared legally dead nearly 60 years earlier. And the wedding ceremony had been performed by a woman who was also legally dead.
Did she arrange for a divorce - supernatural style or something?
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 4, 2010 11:41:47 GMT -5
What work could he do? He left med school during World War II so he wasn't able to be even a nursing auxiliary
probably Leo prefered to help at P3 and at home, no one has ever forbidden to look for a job, rather the job to the magic school was a Piper's idea
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 4, 2010 11:50:28 GMT -5
What work could he do? He left med school during World War II so he wasn't able to be even a nursing auxiliary probably Leo prefered to help at P3 and at home, no one has ever forbidden to look for a job, rather the job to the magic school was a Piper's idea Which was a horrible idea and one of many reasons why I think that Forever Charmed is just Piper's delusion as she dies after the explosion. How could a non-magical possibly teach kids who could use their magic on him? He's a very, very good handyman--he does *not* have to use that skill just for the Halliwells. But he couldn't because he doesn't have an identity--exactly what he tells Piper when she tells him to go get the groceries and take care of the kids while she goes off to work. That was the moment when she emasculated him more than any other. If she had magicked him an identity so that he could get a passport she could certain magick him one so he could get a job as a handyman. But because she preferred her little errand boy she didn't. It's when I hated her more than any other period during the show and when I hoped he'd grow the balls so he could walk out on her. |
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 4, 2010 12:05:58 GMT -5
Maybe he didn't want to be an handyman and work around
You talk as if Leowas an idiot incapable of making choices: in fact he chose to marry Piper he chose to become an Avatar, he chose to turn mortal
I like Leo character and I give him enough credit to think that he chose to live the life he wanted to live
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 4, 2010 13:50:21 GMT -5
Maybe he didn't want to be an handyman and work around You talk as if Leowas an idiot incapable of making choices: in fact he chose to marry Piper he chose to become an Avatar, he chose to turn mortal I like Leo character and I give him enough credit to think that he chose to live the life he wanted to live I don't. If he had he would've grown some balls and walked out on his b*tch of a wife. In the show I'm thinking of, he was *so* upset but didn't do anything about it. What a whimp. |
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Post by Astral Echo on Feb 4, 2010 20:56:32 GMT -5
I'm slightly offended that you call being a house-husband emasculating, just a teeny bit sexist, don't you think?
Being a house-husband, being a good father, doesn't make one any less of a man.
When it's the man who brings home the bacon, the woman is expected to look after the kids and do the groceries. Why is it any different when the positions are switched?
Leo wanted to be a stay at home Dad, why should be think any less of him for that!
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 5, 2010 11:18:19 GMT -5
If Leo wanted to be a stay-at-home Dad, I'd agree with you. I have nothing against house-husbands--one of my friends' husband is one and he loves it and so does she, while she has plenty of respect for him doing what she truly doesn't want to. In fact, seeing what she had, it's what I was looking for when I was looking for a husband, but never found him.
I wish the 8th season of Charmed had been aired in Australia (lucky them not having to put up with it..) so that Shay Fitzpatrick could have posted her version of the script at charmedscript.tv so I could post the argument between Piper and Leo when Leo makes it very clear that he does *NOT* want to be a househusband and Piper makes it very clear that she has NO respect for him doing that--that that's all he's good for. That was when she emasculated him--when she had no respect and no love for him, that like most Halliwells during the Kern period, she was simply using him. And for her to do that to a man who grew up during the time when men were men and the ones who went out and brought home the bacon, before the time of women's lib---*shudder* Like I keep saying, I wish he could've grown a couple of new balls and walked out on her. It's why when she put up that big fuss about him dying in the accident, all I could do was roll my eyes.
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Feb 5, 2010 11:18:51 GMT -5
I'm slightly offended that you call being a house-husband emasculating, just a teeny bit sexist, don't you think? Being a house-husband, being a good father, doesn't make one any less of a man. When it's the man who brings home the bacon, the woman is expected to look after the kids and do the groceries. Why is it any different when the positions are switched? Leo wanted to be a stay at home Dad, why should be think any less of him for that! Exactly. I mean, my uncle and aunt have two kids. My aunt is a nurse practitioner and my uncle is a teacher. Since he is a teacher, he gets all of this time off during the summer. So, instead of sending the kids to daycare like they do during the school year, he stays home and does the house work, shopping, and is Mr. Mom while my aunt is at work. I don't see anything wrong with that. Kids need their daddies just as much as they need their mommies. Times have changed now and Charmed showed that by showing that the mother's do not have to be the ones who stay home with the children- the father's can too. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 5, 2010 13:06:58 GMT -5
I'm slightly offended that you call being a house-husband emasculating, just a teeny bit sexist, don't you think? Being a house-husband, being a good father, doesn't make one any less of a man. When it's the man who brings home the bacon, the woman is expected to look after the kids and do the groceries. Why is it any different when the positions are switched? Leo wanted to be a stay at home Dad, why should be think any less of him for that! Exactly. I mean, my uncle and aunt have two kids. My aunt is a nurse practitioner and my uncle is a teacher. Since he is a teacher, he gets all of this time off during the summer. So, instead of sending the kids to daycare like they do during the school year, he stays home and does the house work, shopping, and is Mr. Mom while my aunt is at work. I don't see anything wrong with that. Kids need their daddies just as much as they need their mommies. Times have changed now and Charmed showed that by showing that the mother's do not have to be the ones who stay home with the children- the father's can too. Repeating to you what I wrote to Astral Echo: If Leo wanted to be a stay-at-home Dad, I'd agree with you. I have nothing against house-husbands--one of my friends' husband is one and he loves it and so does she, while she has plenty of respect for him doing what she truly doesn't want to. In fact, seeing what she had, it's what I was looking for when I was looking for a husband, but never found him. I wish the 8th season of Charmed had been aired in Australia (lucky them not having to put up with it..) so that Shay Fitzpatrick could have posted her version of the script at charmedscript.tv so I could post the argument between Piper and Leo when Leo makes it very clear that he does *NOT* want to be a househusband and Piper makes it very clear that she has NO respect for him doing that--that that's all he's good for. That was when she emasculated him--when she had no respect and no love for him, that like most Halliwells during the Kern period, she was simply using him. And for her to do that to a man who grew up during the time when men were men and the ones who went out and brought home the bacon, before the time of women's lib---*shudder* Like I keep saying, I wish he could've grown a couple of new balls and walked out on her. It's why when she put up that big fuss about him dying in the accident, all I could do was roll my eyes. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Feb 11, 2010 15:59:25 GMT -5
Um didnt Piper make a fake birth certificate for Leo in S3 after they were married? Or did she never get around to filing it due to her new power?
So im pretty sure that they made their marriage legal in the mortal world. Unless it was stated later on down the show in which I dont remember.
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Post by ljones on Feb 12, 2010 1:55:27 GMT -5
Their marriage was never legal. A fake birth certificate did not make it legal. Especially since the groom had been declared legally dead and the person who had performed the wedding ceremony was legally dead.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Feb 12, 2010 8:41:06 GMT -5
well considering they filed that after the wedding their marriage can still be totally legal. Espically since its easy for them to just go to the court room and get married right there in 10mins. All you need is the papers, not any of the fancy stuff. So there is still a possibility they filed marriage papers after Leo got his passport.
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Post by ljones on Feb 13, 2010 6:11:31 GMT -5
well considering they filed that after the wedding their marriage can still be totally legal. Espically since its easy for them to just go to the court room and get married right there in 10mins. All you need is the papers, not any of the fancy stuff. So there is still a possibility they filed marriage papers after Leo got his passport. Their marriage was never legal. Never. It can never really be legal, as long as Leo was legally dead. World War II guaranteed that. |
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