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Post by ljones on Mar 12, 2010 11:35:10 GMT -5
Actually, I rather doubt it, as their many plot and character inconsistencies would eventually prove.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 12, 2010 12:40:22 GMT -5
Yup. Much as I love "Morality Bites", Connie Burge truly blew it by showing Little Melinda. The only way Leo and Piper (or Patty and Sam) could have a kid was through adoption. Little Melinda, Paige, Wyatt and Chris should've never existed. If only.... Maybe if Whitelighter's weren't dead but a different magical species all together. It could explain passing on whitelighter powers. Then again it would be kind of creepy in a way. Nope. We've already been shown that they were mortals before they died. If they were a totally different species, they wouldn't be able to mate at all, which means that demons are the same species, since Cole's father (non-magical) and mother (demon) were able to mate. There is still no logical reason for a whitelighter to be able to mate and/or able to pass down his powers. Little Melinda, Paige, Wyatt and Chris should have never existed, especially Paige. Melinda and Wyatt, well, maybe using magic could explain that, because you can understand why Piper and Leo would want a child. Even Chris, I suppose when Poor, Poor, Pitiful Piper started making love with Leo in the alley that she would cast her spell to let herself get pregnant with a baby with whitelighter powers despite the fact that she knew that she would have to raise the baby by herself since she thought that Leo wouldn't be around - give her another reason to feel sorry for herself and whine and complain. Yeah, I suppose. But why would a married witch having an illicit affair with her whitelighter possibly want to cast a spell to produce a child? If she and Victor were already divorced, that would be one thing, but due to Phoebe's & Paige's ages, she was obviously still marrried, so that doesn't make sense. Paige should've been younger. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 12, 2010 12:50:30 GMT -5
Actually, I rather doubt it, as their many plot and character inconsistencies would eventually prove. I agree totally. Obviously Brad Kern and the writers thought a lot more about what they had to do to make each individual episode work - they rather obviously couldn't care less if it was consistent with other episodes. The only way to make the latter episodes consistent with others is to think of each as a totally separate episode, an alternate universe all of its own. The only thing consistent about "The Perils of Poor Poor Pitiful Piper" is that it's always inconsistent. |
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Post by ljones on Mar 13, 2010 5:00:46 GMT -5
Even the show under Constance Burge was constantly inconsistent. "That 70s Episode" is a homage to the show's inconsistency.
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Mar 13, 2010 12:47:38 GMT -5
Even the show under Constance Burge was constantly inconsistent. "That 70s Episode" is a homage to the show's inconsistency. I am sure Prue would have been able to remember having powers. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Mar 14, 2010 14:04:10 GMT -5
I think Prue remembered ahving them after they were stripped but Grams either A. erased those memories or B. had it come off as something Prue made up in her memory. Its not that hard to tell a child "you used to believe you could use objects with your mind, its how you liked to play, makebelieve superhero" and have htem believe it.
And I am just going to choose thinking of this when I think of whitelighters from now on:
Yes they are dead, but when the Elders make them whitelighters, it heals all of their body parts and organs thus allowing them to produce sperm to make children. Didnt Leos heart still beat?
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Mar 14, 2010 16:29:06 GMT -5
I am not sure, but I mean I am pretty sure Leo made a comment once that he didn't need to eat, he just liked the taste of food. I could be thinking of something else though.
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Post by forbes on Mar 15, 2010 4:11:02 GMT -5
I am not sure, but I mean I am pretty sure Leo made a comment once that he didn't need to eat, he just liked the taste of food. I could be thinking of something else though. Yeah.. I don't think I remember that! Haha  I remember that being brought up somewhere though, maybe the genie at the end of season 2? |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Mar 15, 2010 10:03:03 GMT -5
Plus when you become a whitelighter, it does change your body to a certain degree thus being suspectiable(sp) to the poison of a Darklighter. So while whitelighters are gifted their powers from the Elders, when they are it becomes part of them until taken away thus the possibilty to move it on to a child.
In my years of Charmed, I just have to try to make things make sense.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 15, 2010 10:29:20 GMT -5
Plus when you become a whitelighter, it does change your body to a certain degree thus being suspectiable(sp) to the poison of a Darklighter. So while whitelighters are gifted their powers from the Elders, when they are it becomes part of them until taken away thus the possibilty to move it on to a child. In my years of Charmed, I just have to try to make things make sense. There's no logical reason for the Elders to change a whitelighter so that he can still have live sperm and definitely no logical reason for them to want the whitelighters to be able to pass down powers - they're only for people who the Elders feel have earned them - Still no logical reason for Little Melinda, Paige, Wyatt or Chris to be alive or have whitelighter powers. I know, asking for Charmed to make logic sense is asking for trouble, but if you want to try to make it make sense, keep trying! |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Mar 15, 2010 11:43:31 GMT -5
Never said it was intentional. Thats why the Elders never wanted their whitelighters to get with their charges so nothing like Melinda, Wyatt,Chris, Paige could happen. There is always a flaw in everything and that may have been with whitelighters. Their bodies are fully healed and even when they get their wings clipped they become basic humans instead of dieing again.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 15, 2010 12:20:57 GMT -5
No, they don't want their whitelighters and witches to get together because then they concentrate on each other rather than their jobs, like what happened with Sam and Patty (the reason Patty died), and what happened with Leo and Piper (had Piper been the only one at the lake, she would've died, too). No one even considered the idea of whitelighter and witches being able to have kids.
I can see their bodies healed, but not their sperm, absolutely no reason to have that happen. Now if either Sam or Leo used Viagra or Cialis... But again, why would Sam do that when he's having an illicit affair with a married witch or how would Leo know that he's going to screw with Piper in the alley, and why would he take the pill when he'd know that could happen after what happened with Patty and Sam? So Melinda and/or Wyatt, yeah, I can see that. But not the other two, at least not the way it was done, especially not Chris in the alley.
And even if Leo or Sam *did* use the little blue pill so he could get it up and by doing that was able to shoot live sperm and make a kid (HUGE if, but...), still no way to be able to pass down their powers - even if their bodies were healed; that wouldn't be part of their DNAs which they could pass down because it wasn't passed down to them the way being a witch was passed down to the sisters or being a demon was passed down to Cole. Wyatt (and if they existed, Paige and Chris) should've just been a witch, as I believe Melinda was, not a witch with whitelighter powers.
Try again.
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Post by CharmedFaith on Mar 15, 2010 13:43:45 GMT -5
Whitelighters were dead people brought back to life basically. Their dna was changed. If they were just your average dead person then they wouldnt have to worry about permanetly dieing from a darklighters arrow. They had body heat, they werent vampires. And like I said, ya the Elders give them their powers and can take them away but when they give them their powers it becomes apart of them. You dont become a whitelighter and gain a pwoer when the Elders feel like you deserve it. They didnt earn orbing or any other whitelighter power, its a whole package deal.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 15, 2010 13:47:47 GMT -5
Whitelighters were dead people brought back to life basically. Their dna was changed.. Bringing them back to life would not change their DNA. That's not how DNA works. If it changed their DNA, Leo would have no longer be Leo and Sam would have no longer be Sam. We've been shown that they *are* themselves, just with powers. Try again. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Mar 15, 2010 14:02:07 GMT -5
Whitelighters were dead people brought back to life basically. Their dna was changed.. Bringing them back to life would not change their DNA. That's not how DNA works. Try again. We are talking about magic. Try again. |
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Mar 15, 2010 16:04:51 GMT -5
But they weren't just brought back to life with powers. They couldn't die from anything but a Darklighter arrow, so I would agree that they became a new type of being, like moving higher up on the magical evolutionary chain. I think if they were brought back to life as new magical beings, they would still be able to breed.
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Post by forbes on Mar 19, 2010 23:18:30 GMT -5
I still feel that you guys are going off and assuming things that no one could ever know the answer to!  LIke the whitlighter sperm deal. It never really said that it couldn`t happen, we only knew that it was forbidden, but had happened before. |
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Post by ghostrider on Mar 20, 2010 14:53:01 GMT -5
This is a most fascinating topic and one of the reasons I enjoy this site. Often I learn something regardless if I want to or not. On numerous occasions I have run into debates where I thought I had the answer but upon doing some research I discovered I was way off target. This is one of those moments. I never gave a thought to Leo's DNA, or the idea that it would change when he became a white-lighter. In reality, magical or otherwise, it most likely would not, but it is a television show, so I have no idea if this was covered on a Charmed episode. DNA is the blueprint of who you are. For the most part you are stuck with it. But if I am reading the following link correctly your DNA does, sort of mutate as you age...hense the reason your hair goes gray or white and your skin wrinkles. www.wisegeek.com/can-your-dna-change-during-your-life.htmThis throws us an interesting curve ball as Leo as a white-lighter does not age. He looks the same as he did when he was alive and his personality traits were most likely intact. He was granted gifts from the magical world. Now that some members have mentioned this I have to wonder how or why their off-spring did become white-lights. Others have stated that since you have to be dead to be selected, it seems strange that living persons could have this ability. Piper on the other hand was born with her capabilities and would pass them down...but if you ponder this...maybe not. We do not receive all that either of our parents possess. It is largely a crap shoot. On the show "Bewitched" they were not sure that either of the two children would be witches. Perhaps this was because Darrin was mortal but I am not sure about that. Maybe as in Harry Potter not all children of magical heritage follow in their parents foot-steps. This might be an interesting avenue for the writers of the group to explore. What if one of the Charmed Ones did give birth to a child that could learn the teachings of magic, but had no real power? Has this been done? FYI...identical twins do have the same DNA but not the same finger prints. Just a side line. ask.yahoo.com/20010213.html |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 20, 2010 16:56:30 GMT -5
Bringing them back to life would not change their DNA. That's not how DNA works. Try again. We are talking about magic. Try again. LOL! If we're talking magic, that's the proper answer to everything that doesn't make sense. But Chaos Barbas is trying to make it make sense without using the "it's magic" excuse. I still think he's trying to explain something that's impossible to explain because without using magic as an excuse it's simply not logical. He keeps putting himself in a box. If whitelighters can breed with mortals; they're also human. If they're also humans, they can't pass down powers that they themselves didn't inherit. MAYBE Paige, Wyatt and Chris could exist, but there should never be such a thing as a witchlighter. Witches, yes. Witchlighters, no. |
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Mar 20, 2010 17:33:25 GMT -5
A lion could breed with a tiger. They could be similar but different.
I could believe that if they are granted powers that become a part of them they would be able to pass them down.
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