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Post by ljones on Sept 16, 2010 1:14:31 GMT -5
Actually, it was. Under Constance Burge, Victor's name went from Victor Halliwell in "Thank You For Not Morphing", to a mystery in "That 70s Episode", to Victor Jones in "Pardon My Past".
And it was during the Burge era that the atrocious family tree was created . . . in "Pardon My Past".
In the end, her talent for plot inconsistencies was pretty similar to Brad Kern's. Kern simply had the opportunity to indulge in it a little longer.
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Post by erikamarie on Sept 16, 2010 10:10:10 GMT -5
I agree especially after seeing the episodes of Ally McBeal written by Burge primarily Blowin the Wind a ridiculous episode
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Sept 23, 2010 23:15:34 GMT -5
Is there a teeny tiny chance that Melinda's first vision in the 1620s saw one set of sisters and her 1998 vision saw something else? Can that happen?  I don't know. But its very possible she saw the original po3 and I believe she did. Its also possible she for-seen either the second po3 or the next generation as well. We'll never know because it ended. |
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Post by ljones on Sept 27, 2010 12:56:46 GMT -5
I would say that it was very possible that Melinda saw a different future. Just because she saw that future, was not a guarantee that it would happen. Think of the numerous visions that Phoebe saw, which ended in the death of an innocent or one of the Halliwells. Visions that did not come true to the end, thanks to the intervention of the Halliwells. In the case of Melinda's vision of Prue, someone other than Phoebe intervened . . . namely Shax.
As I had stated earlier, the future is always in motion. And a vision of the future is not always a guarantee that it will happen.
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Post by Lexi on Sept 29, 2010 16:00:49 GMT -5
Phoebe's visions were always meant to be something that she could change - an innocent that she could save. They were what could happen if she and her sisters didn't intervene.
I always got the idea that the first vision Melinda Warren had were of the Charmed Ones first appearing in the Warren line and then the one in 1998 was a vision that she had of the Warren line staying strong (I would say it was foreshadowing if I could pretend for a moment that the writers even thought about this closer to the end of the entire series) and that it was of the Charmed Ones continuing in Phoebe's daughters - since she mainly looked at Phoebe when talking about this. And at the end of the series we saw Phoebe have three girls - the next Charmed Ones.
Sorry, that may not make too much sense as I'm starting to get tired after a very long 13 hour shift at work and am ready for my bed!
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Sept 29, 2010 17:53:29 GMT -5
Actually, it was. Under Constance Burge, Victor's name went from Victor Halliwell in "Thank You For Not Morphing", to a mystery in "That 70s Episode", to Victor Jones in "Pardon My Past". And it was during the Burge era that the atrocious family tree was created . . . in "Pardon My Past". In the end, her talent for plot inconsistencies was pretty similar to Brad Kern's. Kern simply had the opportunity to indulge in it a little longer. If you read what I wrote, you would have seen that I mentioned "Victor Halliwell" and when I said "it was one of those things that probably wasn't really paid a lot of attention to" I meant the family tree by the people working on the show. I wasn't denying that she made some big mistakes. What I was saying was the placements of these specific mistakes (i.e. the ending credits of one episode and the a family tree that probably was destroyed after wards [seeing as we saw a new one the next time it showed up]) were probably not as easy to locate for the people working on the show in season three, so they just made up a new last name for Victor and this time they stuck with it. Had they looked a little harder they could have come up with Jones (because I'm pretty sure the show negated the possibility of using the original name of Halliwell), but my point had absolutely nothing to do with Constance Berge's mistakes. It had to do with how the original two last names might have been overlooked later on. It's possible that Constance never intended to have Victor return and thus she never attempted to deal with that properly. After all when he did return it was when she was no longer in charge and it was her last season with the show. |
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Post by ljones on Sept 30, 2010 1:16:40 GMT -5
It sounds as if you're merely speculating to minimize the mistakes made by Burge during her tenure of the show.
There is no doubt that she had screwed up big time with both Victor's last name and with the family tree. It doesn't matter whether the family tree in "Pardon My Past" was lost or not. A good look at it would convince anyone that the person who created it - Burge or a writer under her charge - made some serious mistakes.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Sept 30, 2010 1:54:32 GMT -5
And I'm saying that "Jones" was her mess up, but "Bennett" was not. And what if I am speculating. I do that. I try to figure out how things happen. People make stupid mistakes. People in authority make stupid mistakes that effect a lot of people, but sometimes they are just stupid mistakes. What people tell me gives me the idea that Connie probably didn't care so much about the male characters. And if that's true then she probably didn't take the care that she needed to with info on that. There should have been someone who kept track of all this stuff, names and details about any character no matter how small who showed up on the show, just in case they got mentioned again, just in case they needed them again. And maybe there was, but if there was they messed up to. I am not defending Constance Berge. I am doing what I do. I am trying to figure out what might have happened. Because frankly for me to say they probably threw away the family tree is 100% not minimalizing. It is me accusing them of something that I think is an absolutely horrible crime against the show. You have no idea how much I hate the idea of that. And while I have had issues myself with deciding things ahead of time for my spin-off series I am writting, if I write it as part of the series (spelling and grammar errors aside) it stays, so frankly I don't think that it is excuseble to forget or change something once you decided it on national TV and that includes the credits. So Victor's name should have stayed Halliwell and if they wanted Patty to keep her maiden name, then they should have had a situation like what my cousin's daughter and her ex-husband had, the same last names. It happens. So don't accuse me of downplaying it. I'm not downplaying. I don't deny that I am speculating, but I am not downplaying. I'm trying to figure it out like a jigsaw puzzle with missing pieces. By the way you caught me on a bad day, I'm only holding back maybe eighty percent or so. Today I'm pretty annoyed at various people in the Charmed community for various reasons and while your low on that list, you made it because I was in a bad mood about someone else and you made incorrect assumptions about me that on a good day get me annoyed. The difference is that it's really late at night and I've already growled at one person tonight, so I have decided that since you need correcting about me, I'll attempt it. Experience has taught me that this usually doesn't work, but sometimes it does, so I'm hoping you're not going to just act like another brick wall. And now, since I sort of got that off my chest, I will attempt to go back to holding back. And despite my opinion of how you treat my rationalizing/speculating, I truely do wish you a good day, because frankly no one should have a bad day over something written on the internet, and I'm hoping at least one of us will and I rather doubt I will be able to get this or the other situation off my mind. I rarely do unless I have someone to vent to and my sister is asleep and will be gone by the time I wake up and the person online that I sometimes vent to didn't show up  so I'm rather sad that I didn't get to chat with her. At any rate, good night. EDITED TO ADD: Oh, and if I was minimizing anyone's errors, it was most certainly not Constance Berge. It was Brad Kern's. However, I cannot excuse the sloppy research on his part either. He had the episodes available to watch if nothing else. I was only trying to guess what might have happened, not saying in anyway that I am okay with what might have happened. Again, good night. |
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Post by Lexi on Oct 2, 2010 13:37:57 GMT -5
Just on a note of errors etc, and annoyingly for me this will possibly cover some of Brad Kern's mistakes too.
All shows (especially fantasy/sci fi/supernatural genres) hire people who go through the scripts to make sure that all inconsistencies are covered since everyone is human and previous episodes can be forgotten about or overlooked, especially small things.
Yes, at the end of the day it is up to the Executive Producer to make sure they're happy with everything and that the said people have checked for any and all inconsistencies.
Now I am speculating, so please no-one get their knickers in a twist for me doing that, but maybe Burge and Kern expected their hired people to do all the checks or maybe, like I especially think about Kern, the show just wasn't important enough to them to make sure all inconsistencies were covered.
I can't really see Burge not really caring since it was her baby in the first place - again I'm speculating, but maybe that was an error in people who were hired and human error. I've done it with my scripts when I've actually forgotten about a character's powers and then realised later when going through episodes to find out my mistake. It can be done - I'm not defending Burge for her mistakes but I am specualting on the reasons.
Kern - well, everyone knows my opinion on him. I think he took over a show and turned it into something that he wanted - rather than continuing on with something that people actually liked - and didn't care about what he changed from one episode to another since there is NO WAY he or anyone he hired could have accidentally missed things - some were far too big errors and some very important too!
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Post by ghostrider on Oct 10, 2010 0:41:03 GMT -5
Mistakes are made with all television shows. There isn't one out there that couldn't be torn to shreds, if one so desired to do so. But most people are not still debating the issues of bygone productions. I think this is what makes Charmed a notable interest. It is one of the reasons the Cafe is still up and running. That in my opinion speaks volumes.
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Post by ljones on Oct 24, 2010 22:57:12 GMT -5
I'm curious. If I had criticized Brad Kern, instead of Constance Burge, would you have made this same comment?
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Post by ghostrider on Oct 29, 2010 11:43:51 GMT -5
No..I don't think so, hence the reason I didn't directly show I was commenting to your statement. I have no desire to attack you for the sake of an arguement...I'm passed that. I was just generalizing. It didn't matter to me whom was writing what at the time. My point was that Charmed as been gone for years and many people are still reacting to it be it negative or positive. Charmed was an interesting power house, that might now be on life support...but is still breathing. I was a big 24 fan, but if you check out the sites on that one, most have been given a funeral. Since it might spawn a film and is only gone less than a year what does that tell you? Charmed...good or bad, well written or poorly expressed (at times) is still fighting for life. Which by the way, be we friends or enemy's, it's fans like you me that help keep Charmed on the respirator. You go girl!!!
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Post by sky1 on Sept 28, 2022 0:04:48 GMT -5
Melinda's prophecy was 100% ruined when they brought Wyatt. The most powerful witch to ever exist. King Arthur who wields Excalibur.
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so I'm rather sad that I didn't get to chat with her.
