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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 11, 2010 9:01:06 GMT -5
Saw this at another site and found it *very* interesting: Poster #1: I re watched Marry Go Round, and now I have a doubt
Marry Go Round
Seer: More than a son. You and Phoebe Halliwell will produce the most powerful child the magical world has ever seen.
Cole: That's my boy.
Seer: No, he won't be your boy, he'll be theirs. On the side of good. Unless you marry the witch in a dark way.
Cole: That's impossible, the wedding's tomorrow, I don't have time.
Seer: Then your son will never be heired to your kingdom, he'll be heired to their destiny.
Seer: I had a vision. This Source will have a son, the greatest power in the history of magic
The Day The Magic Died
Doctor: I've got your test results here but I can't find your chart. When are you due?
Piper: Uh, six weeks.
Baby's first Demon
Crone: The witches have nothing compared to... This child is powerful beyond your understanding. What I have foreseen, is not to be ignored
Sense & Sense Ability
Crone: I had a vision. A mere taste of the future, of the child, of power like we've never known. But I didn't see enough
Crone: I've seen everything. Such power. Such power
My question is: was Phoebe and Cole son destined to be born in the blessed day?
Wyatt was born in advance he is a seven-month baby
could have taken the place of the child seen by the seer? Poster #2: I think your right, I heard the producer's we're originally going to kill the source off in the season finally and have Cole be the source during season five. The baby would have been the twice blessed. Also, anyone know why they decided to kill the original source off before the finally. (a few posts skipped...) Poster #3: I thought they made Wyatt a seven month baby because of the belief that seven month children had special powers (thinking about the high children mortality in the past, seven month babies were really very strong babies) but your theory is more fascinating
The Seer may have been aware of the prophecy and calculated when the child had to be conceived because he could be born in the Holy Day
Or simply the Seer had seen the birth of a child (very likely the son of a witch since the birth had to coincide with the Wiccan Festival of Lights )in the Holy Day and switched Wyatt and Phoebe's baby
Were the producer's going to have Cole be the source during season five? Why they changed the plot? (a few posts skipped...) Poster #2: This is what I could find out about them vanquishing the source so soon
Vanquishing their arch-enemy half way through the Season was totally unexpected.
Julian Mac Mahon had signed a one and a half season contract after the end of Season 3.
The original storyline would go as this : Cole would be involved with Paige creating a love triangle with Phoebe . The vanquish of the Source would take place in the 4th Season finale . The remaining storylines with the possession and Phoebe 's pregnancy would be the main plot for the first half of Season 5.
As the producers announced publicly NO wedding between Phoebe and Cole would take place during Season 4.
History proved them all wrong . There are traces of the Cole - Paige romantic subplot , foreshadowing what would follow , specifically :
1) In "Enter the Demon" (4.4) Phoebe and Paige swap bodies and Cole kisses Paige inadvertently.
2) Paige did everything to prevent Phoebe 's wedding.
3) The constant attacks of the unborn fetus to Paige (channeling Phoebe 's repressed anger) . This was an obvious leftover from a discarded plot idea featuring the bitter rivalry of two sisters for the same man .
This subplot was dropped because they ultimately decided to condense the story .
The Source was vanquished half way through the 4th Season . Phoebe and Cole got married so that Cole could infiltrate easier into the family .
It would be very distracting if both Phoebe and Piper were pregnant during Season 5 . (this could culminate of course in an AWESOME cataclysmic battle between Piper and Evil Phoebe channeling the powers of the babies!!!)
Basically the producers wanted to persuade Julian Mac Mahon to stay , that 's why they changed the finale stating that Cole somehow got stuck in the Wasteland. The stalker subplot in Season 5 as well as Baccarra 's future hints in (5.8) were futile attempts to convince the audience that Cole would remain in the series . The negotiations fell through . The actor wanted to move to other projects and the character was finally vanquished in the 100th episode which was his final contractually obligated appearance .
So the entire subplot of one year and a half was shortened . After the birth of Wyatt and since Cole was finally out of the scenery the writers decided to focus on Piper 's family . Chris was introduced in Season 6 to provide an engaging season long story arc and Piper and Leo were separated temporarily to spice up the plot and raise the suspense of the audience. Whatcha think? |
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Post by Astral Echo on Apr 11, 2010 10:35:15 GMT -5
I still stand by the opinion that the original plan would of worked out better. I believe it would of made the Source seem more of a challenge, I think Cole would of died with more dignity and the the evil Phoebe storyline would of been more interesting over a 5-6 episode arc. I would of had more belief in it too.
Plus, instead of Chris coming to save his brother. Phoetus would of been born when Wyatt was originally meant to be, giving us a more justifiable twice blessed child and Wyatt (or even better, Melinda) could of come back in S6 to stop Phoetus falling into the hands of evil and/or being smited by the Elders and Gideon. Hell, it would of made that little storyline a whole lot more believable, we can understand them wanting to save the future from the Source's son.
And with the love triangle on top of this, hell that would of been good. Not really a Cole/Paige shipper but it would of added another angle to the whole story, giving Paige more a story. She could even be a little jealous that the Seer chose Phoebe (as she is more succumbing to evil due to her birth over the Nexus.) to be with Soule rather than her.
And a future showdown between Phoetus and the Charmed Ones, yes please!
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Post by ljones on Apr 11, 2010 11:56:03 GMT -5
Huh?  There is no way that kid could have been the Source's son . . . not if it was Cole's body that conceived him. And Cole was not dead, just possessed. That kid would have been Phoebe and Cole's no matter what. If the Halliwells had taken the trouble to find out that Cole had been a victim of possession, instead of indulging in their bigotry about him, they could have exorcised the Source from his body. And with his help, find a way to save the baby. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 11, 2010 12:19:16 GMT -5
I still stand by the opinion that the original plan would of worked out better. I believe it would of made the Source seem more of a challenge, I think Cole would of died with more dignity and the the evil Phoebe storyline would of been more interesting over a 5-6 episode arc. I would of had more belief in it too. Plus, instead of Chris coming to save his brother. Phoetus would of been born when Wyatt was originally meant to be, giving us a more justifiable twice blessed child and Wyatt (or even better, Melinda) could of come back in S6 to stop Phoetus falling into the hands of evil and/or being smited by the Elders and Gideon. Hell, it would of made that little storyline a whole lot more believable, we can understand them wanting to save the future from the Source's son. And with the love triangle on top of this, hell that would of been good. Not really a Cole/Paige shipper but it would of added another angle to the whole story, giving Paige more a story. She could even be a little jealous that the Seer chose Phoebe (as she is more succumbing to evil due to her birth over the Nexus.) to be with Soule rather than her. And a future showdown between Phoetus and the Charmed Ones, yes please! I agree totally!! |
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 11, 2010 12:22:59 GMT -5
Huh? There is no way that kid could have been the Source's son . . . not if it was Cole's body that conceived him. And Cole was not dead, just possessed. That kid would have been Phoebe and Cole's no matter what. If the Halliwells had taken the trouble to find out that Cole had been a victim of possession, instead of indulging in their bigotry about him, they could have exorcised the Source from his body. And with his help, find a way to save the baby. I agree with this, too. Yes, the baby would've had the Source's powers, but he still would've been Cole's and Phoebe's son. I would've prefered the above story but with the Source disguising himself to look like Cole and then *he'd* be the one who would've given Phoebe The Phoetus and continue with the rest of the story from there. Hmmm....I've actually written such a plotline before with the Phoetus (a girl named Chris, no Wyatts in that plotline, no boy babies in that plotline at all) actually being the one who ends up saving the Halliwells! |
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Apr 11, 2010 15:09:58 GMT -5
I still stand by the opinion that the original plan would of worked out better. I believe it would of made the Source seem more of a challenge, I think Cole would of died with more dignity and the the evil Phoebe storyline would of been more interesting over a 5-6 episode arc. I would of had more belief in it too. Plus, instead of Chris coming to save his brother. Phoetus would of been born when Wyatt was originally meant to be, giving us a more justifiable twice blessed child and Wyatt (or even better, Melinda) could of come back in S6 to stop Phoetus falling into the hands of evil and/or being smited by the Elders and Gideon. Hell, it would of made that little storyline a whole lot more believable, we can understand them wanting to save the future from the Source's son. And with the love triangle on top of this, hell that would of been good. Not really a Cole/Paige shipper but it would of added another angle to the whole story, giving Paige more a story. She could even be a little jealous that the Seer chose Phoebe (as she is more succumbing to evil due to her birth over the Nexus.) to be with Soule rather than her. And a future showdown between Phoetus and the Charmed Ones, yes please! Now that would have been fun. |
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Post by ljones on Apr 12, 2010 22:13:24 GMT -5
I still stand by the opinion that the original plan would of worked out better. I believe it would of made the Source seem more of a challenge, I think Cole would of died with more dignity and the the evil Phoebe storyline would of been more interesting over a 5-6 episode arc. I would of had more belief in it too. Plus, instead of Chris coming to save his brother. Phoetus would of been born when Wyatt was originally meant to be, giving us a more justifiable twice blessed child and Wyatt (or even better, Melinda) could of come back in S6 to stop Phoetus falling into the hands of evil and/or being smited by the Elders and Gideon. Hell, it would of made that little storyline a whole lot more believable, we can understand them wanting to save the future from the Source's son. And with the love triangle on top of this, hell that would of been good. Not really a Cole/Paige shipper but it would of added another angle to the whole story, giving Paige more a story. She could even be a little jealous that the Seer chose Phoebe (as she is more succumbing to evil due to her birth over the Nexus.) to be with Soule rather than her. And a future showdown between Phoetus and the Charmed Ones, yes please! Now that would have been fun. I have to agree. I prefer the above to the actual mess that ended up on TV. |
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Apr 16, 2010 10:46:36 GMT -5
Does anyone else think Phoebe showing off Piper's new baby was leftovers aswell?
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Post by Quadquetra on Apr 16, 2010 15:01:56 GMT -5
Does anyone else think Phoebe showing off Piper's new baby was leftovers aswell? Yeah I can see that being why she took to Wyatt so strongly maybe because he was a boy and she was told byt eh seer hers was a boy too, or maybe it was just her being an aunt lol Phoebe always loved babies. And I know that they said the baby "wasnt" hers but I just wish we had seen her kinda grieve for the baby or something. |
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Apr 16, 2010 17:30:10 GMT -5
Personally I think the Seer was a liar every step of the way and that baby was very much Phoebe and Cole's baby just possessed by the source, every bit as much as Cole had been, and more since that baby didn't have anything to hold on to when trying to keep control of his self. I think that had they managed to find someway to bind the babies powers or even strip them if they had to then they could have found someway to seperate the baby from the source. However, it probably would have been an extremely difficult road to follow.
I too wish that Phoebe had at least shown some grief if not for the baby itself then for the potential of a child made from her and Cole's love.
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Post by Esmeralda on May 2, 2010 15:33:57 GMT -5
I too wish that Phoebe had at least shown some grief if not for the baby itself then for the potential of a child made from her and Cole's love. Me, too. It was all part of her turning from Phoebe into Freebie/PhoeME. |
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Post by ljones on May 5, 2010 10:53:02 GMT -5
All they had to do was perform an exorcism. If they were capable of vanquishing the Source, they were capable of exorcising the Source's spirit from either Cole or his and Phoebe's baby. Why the writers didn't consider this, I do not know.
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Post by gemma1988 on Jun 13, 2010 14:10:24 GMT -5
Saw this at another site and found it *very* interesting: Poster #1: I re watched Marry Go Round, and now I have a doubt
Marry Go Round
Seer: More than a son. You and Phoebe Halliwell will produce the most powerful child the magical world has ever seen.
Cole: That's my boy.
Seer: No, he won't be your boy, he'll be theirs. On the side of good. Unless you marry the witch in a dark way.
Cole: That's impossible, the wedding's tomorrow, I don't have time.
Seer: Then your son will never be heired to your kingdom, he'll be heired to their destiny.
Seer: I had a vision. This Source will have a son, the greatest power in the history of magic
The Day The Magic Died
Doctor: I've got your test results here but I can't find your chart. When are you due?
Piper: Uh, six weeks.
Baby's first Demon
Crone: The witches have nothing compared to... This child is powerful beyond your understanding. What I have foreseen, is not to be ignored
Sense & Sense Ability
Crone: I had a vision. A mere taste of the future, of the child, of power like we've never known. But I didn't see enough
Crone: I've seen everything. Such power. Such power
My question is: was Phoebe and Cole son destined to be born in the blessed day?
Wyatt was born in advance he is a seven-month baby
could have taken the place of the child seen by the seer? Poster #2: I think your right, I heard the producer's we're originally going to kill the source off in the season finally and have Cole be the source during season five. The baby would have been the twice blessed. Also, anyone know why they decided to kill the original source off before the finally. (a few posts skipped...) Poster #3: I thought they made Wyatt a seven month baby because of the belief that seven month children had special powers (thinking about the high children mortality in the past, seven month babies were really very strong babies) but your theory is more fascinating
The Seer may have been aware of the prophecy and calculated when the child had to be conceived because he could be born in the Holy Day
Or simply the Seer had seen the birth of a child (very likely the son of a witch since the birth had to coincide with the Wiccan Festival of Lights )in the Holy Day and switched Wyatt and Phoebe's baby
Were the producer's going to have Cole be the source during season five? Why they changed the plot? (a few posts skipped...) Poster #2: This is what I could find out about them vanquishing the source so soon
Vanquishing their arch-enemy half way through the Season was totally unexpected.
Julian Mac Mahon had signed a one and a half season contract after the end of Season 3.
The original storyline would go as this : Cole would be involved with Paige creating a love triangle with Phoebe . The vanquish of the Source would take place in the 4th Season finale . The remaining storylines with the possession and Phoebe 's pregnancy would be the main plot for the first half of Season 5.
As the producers announced publicly NO wedding between Phoebe and Cole would take place during Season 4.
History proved them all wrong . There are traces of the Cole - Paige romantic subplot , foreshadowing what would follow , specifically :
1) In "Enter the Demon" (4.4) Phoebe and Paige swap bodies and Cole kisses Paige inadvertently.
2) Paige did everything to prevent Phoebe 's wedding.
3) The constant attacks of the unborn fetus to Paige (channeling Phoebe 's repressed anger) . This was an obvious leftover from a discarded plot idea featuring the bitter rivalry of two sisters for the same man .
This subplot was dropped because they ultimately decided to condense the story .
The Source was vanquished half way through the 4th Season . Phoebe and Cole got married so that Cole could infiltrate easier into the family .
It would be very distracting if both Phoebe and Piper were pregnant during Season 5 . (this could culminate of course in an AWESOME cataclysmic battle between Piper and Evil Phoebe channeling the powers of the babies!!!)
Basically the producers wanted to persuade Julian Mac Mahon to stay , that 's why they changed the finale stating that Cole somehow got stuck in the Wasteland. The stalker subplot in Season 5 as well as Baccarra 's future hints in (5.8) were futile attempts to convince the audience that Cole would remain in the series . The negotiations fell through . The actor wanted to move to other projects and the character was finally vanquished in the 100th episode which was his final contractually obligated appearance .
So the entire subplot of one year and a half was shortened . After the birth of Wyatt and since Cole was finally out of the scenery the writers decided to focus on Piper 's family . Chris was introduced in Season 6 to provide an engaging season long story arc and Piper and Leo were separated temporarily to spice up the plot and raise the suspense of the audience. Whatcha think? It was never coles nor Phoebes baby it was the seers if you watch womb radier season 4 2nd to last on disc 6 you will know it was never coles nor Phoebes baby |
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Jun 13, 2010 15:47:16 GMT -5
Saw this at another site and found it *very* interesting: Poster #1: I re watched Marry Go Round, and now I have a doubt
Marry Go Round
Seer: More than a son. You and Phoebe Halliwell will produce the most powerful child the magical world has ever seen.
Cole: That's my boy.
Seer: No, he won't be your boy, he'll be theirs. On the side of good. Unless you marry the witch in a dark way.
Cole: That's impossible, the wedding's tomorrow, I don't have time.
Seer: Then your son will never be heired to your kingdom, he'll be heired to their destiny.
Seer: I had a vision. This Source will have a son, the greatest power in the history of magic
The Day The Magic Died
Doctor: I've got your test results here but I can't find your chart. When are you due?
Piper: Uh, six weeks.
Baby's first Demon
Crone: The witches have nothing compared to... This child is powerful beyond your understanding. What I have foreseen, is not to be ignored
Sense & Sense Ability
Crone: I had a vision. A mere taste of the future, of the child, of power like we've never known. But I didn't see enough
Crone: I've seen everything. Such power. Such power
My question is: was Phoebe and Cole son destined to be born in the blessed day?
Wyatt was born in advance he is a seven-month baby
could have taken the place of the child seen by the seer? Poster #2: I think your right, I heard the producer's we're originally going to kill the source off in the season finally and have Cole be the source during season five. The baby would have been the twice blessed. Also, anyone know why they decided to kill the original source off before the finally. (a few posts skipped...) Poster #3: I thought they made Wyatt a seven month baby because of the belief that seven month children had special powers (thinking about the high children mortality in the past, seven month babies were really very strong babies) but your theory is more fascinating
The Seer may have been aware of the prophecy and calculated when the child had to be conceived because he could be born in the Holy Day
Or simply the Seer had seen the birth of a child (very likely the son of a witch since the birth had to coincide with the Wiccan Festival of Lights )in the Holy Day and switched Wyatt and Phoebe's baby
Were the producer's going to have Cole be the source during season five? Why they changed the plot? (a few posts skipped...) Poster #2: This is what I could find out about them vanquishing the source so soon
Vanquishing their arch-enemy half way through the Season was totally unexpected.
Julian Mac Mahon had signed a one and a half season contract after the end of Season 3.
The original storyline would go as this : Cole would be involved with Paige creating a love triangle with Phoebe . The vanquish of the Source would take place in the 4th Season finale . The remaining storylines with the possession and Phoebe 's pregnancy would be the main plot for the first half of Season 5.
As the producers announced publicly NO wedding between Phoebe and Cole would take place during Season 4.
History proved them all wrong . There are traces of the Cole - Paige romantic subplot , foreshadowing what would follow , specifically :
1) In "Enter the Demon" (4.4) Phoebe and Paige swap bodies and Cole kisses Paige inadvertently.
2) Paige did everything to prevent Phoebe 's wedding.
3) The constant attacks of the unborn fetus to Paige (channeling Phoebe 's repressed anger) . This was an obvious leftover from a discarded plot idea featuring the bitter rivalry of two sisters for the same man .
This subplot was dropped because they ultimately decided to condense the story .
The Source was vanquished half way through the 4th Season . Phoebe and Cole got married so that Cole could infiltrate easier into the family .
It would be very distracting if both Phoebe and Piper were pregnant during Season 5 . (this could culminate of course in an AWESOME cataclysmic battle between Piper and Evil Phoebe channeling the powers of the babies!!!)
Basically the producers wanted to persuade Julian Mac Mahon to stay , that 's why they changed the finale stating that Cole somehow got stuck in the Wasteland. The stalker subplot in Season 5 as well as Baccarra 's future hints in (5.8) were futile attempts to convince the audience that Cole would remain in the series . The negotiations fell through . The actor wanted to move to other projects and the character was finally vanquished in the 100th episode which was his final contractually obligated appearance .
So the entire subplot of one year and a half was shortened . After the birth of Wyatt and since Cole was finally out of the scenery the writers decided to focus on Piper 's family . Chris was introduced in Season 6 to provide an engaging season long story arc and Piper and Leo were separated temporarily to spice up the plot and raise the suspense of the audience. Whatcha think? It was never coles nor Phoebes baby it was the seers if you watch womb radier season 4 2nd to last on disc 6 you will know it was never coles nor Phoebes baby Yeah, except the Seer was a liar, so frankly anything she says can be taken with about as much trust as the length you can throw her. I think that it was their baby, (other than her words, there was nothing to really indicate otherwise), but the Seer was the one who planned that they have this baby. She was the one who poisoned that baby, so help keep that baby from being good. She was the one who tricked Phoebe into getting Cole to accept being the source. She was the one who instructed Cole to make sure it was a dark ceremony to aid also in keeping the baby (at that point unconcieved) from turning good. She was the one who tricked Cole into getting possessed with the source in the first place. She was all that, but she never the one who concieved that child. She was never one of those who's genetics went into that child. It was never her child. That baby simply was part of her plan and as such, she claimed him. She never intended for Phoebe or Cole to raise him, so she never intended for him to be their's . . . but he was. |
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Post by gemma1988 on Jun 13, 2010 23:34:19 GMT -5
It was never coles nor Phoebes baby it was the seers if you watch womb radier season 4 2nd to last on disc 6 you will know it was never coles nor Phoebes baby Yeah, except the Seer was a liar, so frankly anything she says can be taken with about as much trust as the length you can throw her. I think that it was their baby, (other than her words, there was nothing to really indicate otherwise), but the Seer was the one who planned that they have this baby. She was the one who poisoned that baby, so help keep that baby from being good. She was the one who tricked Phoebe into getting Cole to accept being the source. She was the one who instructed Cole to make sure it was a dark ceremony to aid also in keeping the baby (at that point unconcieved) from turning good. She was the one who tricked Cole into getting possessed with the source in the first place. She was all that, but she never the one who concieved that child. She was never one of those who's genetics went into that child. It was never her child. That baby simply was part of her plan and as such, she claimed him. She never intended for Phoebe or Cole to raise him, so she never intended for him to be their's . . . but he was. It was not Cole's nor Phoebe's baby in the first place it was the seers.cause the seer planted something in Phoebe's candies that Cole brought to her and she got pregnant by that and the baby was evil cause the seer also gave Phoebe a tonic drink with some of the seers blood that turned her and the baby even more evil then the baby already was i have all the seasons and i watch them everyday If you watch "Womb Raider" you will know Paige: Phoebe, it's your body, take control, fight it. Seer: "Give me strength, and give me might, to steal a child in still of night." Paige: Phoebe! Seer: "Darkest forces let it be, here my plea, bring life to me." (A light comes out of Phoebe and goes into the Seer. Phoebe returns to normal.) Phoebe: My baby. Seer: He was never yours, or Cole's. From the moment of conception this baby was mine. thats abit of script from that scene |
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Jun 15, 2010 0:40:13 GMT -5
I would have liked to have seen Phoebe and Cole have a baby together but like someone else said- the baby was the Seer's all along.
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Post by ljones on Jun 15, 2010 1:21:51 GMT -5
Exactly how did the baby belonged to the Seer? I'm serious. How did the baby belong to the Seer?
If the baby really belonged to the Seer, why did she tell the Source that the baby would be Phoebe and Cole's . . . and that it would become the greatest force of good, unless they did something to it?
This is the dumbest thing I have ever come across in television. Not only is it dumb, it is an insult to the intelligence of the series' fans. I don't recall the Seer and the Source conceiving that kid. Do you? When did it happen? Did the Seer conceive the baby with Cole/the Source . . . and then transformed the unborn child into Phoebe's womb? What? ::)Why are fans willing to accept that ludicrous comment so easily? What? Or was this just a dumb excuse that Kern and the writers drummed up in order to have Phoebe avoid mourning the loss of her child?
In other words, it was another stupid plot created by Kern and his writers so that the fans could accept Phoebe moving past Cole. Jesus! There are times like this when I cannot believe that I had wasted so many years watching this show.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Jun 15, 2010 8:44:04 GMT -5
Exactly! I have never understood how one line from a known liar convinced countless fans that this baby concieved by Cole and Phoebe was anyone other than Cole and Phoebe's baby. I bet your right that it was so Phoebe didn't have to mourn, but I don't understand why she wouldn't even with that. And I don't understand why everyone seems to believe the Seer that the baby was hers. If we're going to believe that liar, I think we need more evidence than that. And if the candy is supposed to be evidence, then Wyatt might as well be the Seer's too, because there is a very real possibility that he was concieved then too. I'm still trying to figure out the timing on that one, but I do know that Wyatt was concieved within two months of then, because Phoebe was two months pregnant the episode before we found out Piper was pregnant. It is possible that Piper might have only been a few days pregnant when she found out, of course, but either way she ate the candy. Seer: If my fertility ritual fails, the show's over anyway. Tomorrow's harvest moon will be the one chance to impregnate your wife. The power of the moon combined with this tonic will make her fertile to a demon's seed, and override any preventative measures she's taken. Her favourite sweet?
Cole: Chocolate.
Seer: Then I'll mix it with the chocolate. You must feed it to her in the morning, and then finish the job when the moon is high in the night's sky. And if you succeed, the evil spawn growing inside her will influence her only for lenience so that when she does discover the truth, she will bend to your will. Hmm. Never mind that last statement. The chocolate could not have an effect on Piper. Well, not unless she was in a relationship with a demon . . . named Cole. The potion within the chocolates was to do two things get around any preventative measures Phoebe was taking, which I doubt Piper who was trying to get pregnant was using, and to make Phoebe's womb more reseptive to a partly demon sperm. It makes me wonder if Elizabeth used something to make her demonic womb accept a human sperm. And it sounds stupid. I can't imagine why someone who was already half human would have a sperm that was rejected by his human wife. And here's the quote LJones was talking about. Seer: Holy matrimony will be the worst possible thing that could happen. It'll keep you from ever reigning as the Source.
Cole: That can't be right.
Seer: It's what I foresee. Unless of course you cancel the wedding.
Cole: I can't. I need Phoebe.
Seer: Yes, I can see that too.
Cole: We've been through this. Cole's love for Phoebe still exists within me, I can't overcome it. If I'm to regain what I've lost it has to be with Phoebe, marrying her.
Seer: Even if it means losing your son?
Cole: A son? You saw a son in my future?
Seer: More than a son. You and Phoebe Halliwell will produce the most powerful child the magical world has ever seen.
Cole: That's my boy.
Seer: No, he won't be your boy, he'll be theirs. On the side of good. Unless you marry the witch in a dark way.
Cole: That's impossible, the wedding's tomorrow, I don't have time.
Seer: Then your son will never be heired to your kingdom, he'll be heired to their destiny. All that does is convince me even more that this baby is Cole and Phoebe's. All the dark ceremony did was make him more inclined toward being evil. Phoebe: What about demons? Any sway over them? Because I swear, if they don't shut up. (She takes a sip of the tonic and screws up her face.) I hate this stuff!
Seer: It's for you own good.
Phoebe: Well, whatever happened to regular old vitamins.
Seer: There's nothing regular about your pregnancy. The new power you're experiencing is a mere shadow of what's to come. The tonic strengthens you to bear the weight of it. I mean do we believe her when she says this? It contradicts this: (Phoebe picks up the tonic and pours it in a pot plant.) . . . [Scene: Phoebe and Cole's apartment. Bedroom. Phoebe's there. The Seer walks in with a glass of tonic.]
Seer: My queen, it is time for your tonic.
Phoebe: What if I promise never to save any innocents with them ever again? Then can I see my sisters?
Seer: You'll feel better after this.
(Phoebe notices the plant she poured the last lot of tonic into is dying.)
Phoebe: Oh my god, it's poison.
Seer: No.
Phoebe: You told me it was good for me.
Seer: It is.
Phoebe: You're lying!
Seer: Think about it. Last night you were strong, angry perhaps, but now look at you. Whining, it's a weakness unbefitting of a queen.
Phoebe: What's in it?
Seer: Pure evil. The baby feeds on it. And as he grows stronger...
Phoebe: I get weaker.
Seer: Only the good in you.
Phoebe: You're trying to destroy me.
Seer: I'm trying to help you. I gave you clarity when now you have confusion. I gave you conviction where now you have pain.
Phoebe: You took away my will.
Seer: No, you made the choice to stand by your husband all on your own. For you, for Cole, and for your baby. Don't risk all of your lives by questioning that now. Drink the tonic, Phoebe.
(The Seer disappears.) So in that scene she presumably telling the truth about what's in it and what it will do, but she told Phoebe earlier it was good for her, and that's just not true, because evil is never good. And she says it makes the baby stronger, but that's because it nurtures the evil in the baby just as it nurtures the evil in Phoebe. Had she something that nurtured the good in the baby it likely would have done just the same, pulling the baby away from evil. |
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Post by gemma1988 on Jun 15, 2010 12:29:41 GMT -5
Yes its something to do with the chocolate's (the seer must have planned her egg coz how would she have got phoebes egg?) the moon where its a strong night to fall pregant and the tonic which had the seers blood in to help the baby has it was pure evil when cole dies phoebes baby is the Source as the seer want to take over the underworld she need the baby to help her do this....as the seer as the baby inside her its too much for her to handle and she blows everyone up (apart from the charmed ones)
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Jun 15, 2010 14:24:41 GMT -5
Do tell how this is the Seer's blood: (The Seer picks up a knife and moves closer to Cole.)
Seer: For the tonic.
(She cuts his hand and he drips his blood into the cauldron.) That is the only mention of blood in the entire episode ("The Fifth Halliwell" if anyone isn't sure) and it's Cole's. Yes, Cole's blood is in the tonic. Not the Seer's unless someone has proof otherwise. The power of the moon combined with this tonic will make her fertile to a demon's seed, and override any preventative measures she's taken. In otherwords it is a majorly powerful fertility treatment that gets around contraceptives and makes it so that she's ovulating then, instead of when she normally would. Which actually makes it more likely that it's Phoebe's and Cole's. The demon seed is Cole's Sperm. Cole's blood was needed. She got Phoebe's egg buy altering Phoebe's ovulating, nothing else. I'm not really sure how fertility drugs work, but I think it's a little like that. I do agree, sort of, to the statement that when Cole died his baby was the source. However I would add two words. When Cole died his baby was possessed by the source. It seemed clear that Cole was never fully the source, instead that the source was possessing him. I can't say how much control Cole had, but he was possessed. I think the baby was more possessed, because he had not devoloped any "self", if that makes any sense, yet. |
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There is no way that kid could have been the Source's son . . . not if it was Cole's body that conceived him. And Cole was not dead, just possessed. That kid would have been Phoebe and Cole's no matter what. If the Halliwells had taken the trouble to find out that Cole had been a victim of possession, instead of indulging in their bigotry about him, they could have exorcised the Source from his body. And with his help, find a way to save the baby.
