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Post by Reality Bites on Mar 10, 2011 7:30:19 GMT -5
Do the Elders answer to anyone? And if so, who?
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 10, 2011 8:38:21 GMT -5
I would say, no. If they were angels, they would, but since there not, from what we can tell, I'd say no.
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Post by Reality Bites on Mar 11, 2011 20:06:06 GMT -5
I would say, no. If they were angels, they would, but since there not, from what we can tell, I'd say no. But in "The Honeymoon's Over", didn't Leo say something to the effect of his "bosses' bosses" when referring to going over The Elders heads and getting married in secret, after which Piper and Leo couldn't be broken up by "them" because of the marriage? Makes me think, who could have such authority over the The Elders? The Angels of Destiny? The Tribunal? Or something else entirely...? |
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Post by NubianWitch on Mar 11, 2011 22:23:07 GMT -5
It's safe to say that they answer to the Angels of Destiny, and by extension, they have less power than the Tribunal. This has been evidenced several times.  |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 11, 2011 22:43:34 GMT -5
*nods* I agree with both of you. Now that I think about it, I'm sure that Leo mentioned "The Founders" and "The Elder whilteighters" when first talking to Phoebe about what he is. Who are these mysterious Founders? Did we see any signs of them outside of this single mention?
And I'll throw something back at you guys. I don't think Leo's "bosses' bosses" were the Tribunal. Did Kern murder off the "bosses' bosses" before that trial? Was there any other sign passed "The Honeymoon is Over" (one of Connie's episodes that Kern took over) of these "bosses' bosses"?
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Post by ljones on Mar 12, 2011 1:06:51 GMT -5
I would say, no. If they were angels, they would, but since there not, from what we can tell, I'd say no. If they are higher than angels, then they would be deities. And I don't believe they are. If they were deities, then they would not need help to defeat the Titans. Nor would they be susceptible to a darklighter's arrow. In fact, the show's portrayal of the Elders is so ridiculous and inconsistent that I don't know where to begin. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 12, 2011 8:12:49 GMT -5
I would say, no. If they were angels, they would, but since there not, from what we can tell, I'd say no. If they are higher than angels, then they would be deities. And I don't believe they are. If they were deities, then they would not need help to defeat the Titans. Nor would they be susceptible to a darklighter's arrow. In fact, the show's portrayal of the Elders is so ridiculous and inconsistent that I do know where to begin. I will agree completely with this. |
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Post by erikamarie on Mar 15, 2011 5:30:41 GMT -5
*nods* I agree with both of you. Now that I think about it, I'm sure that Leo mentioned "The Founders" and "The Elder whilteighters" when first talking to Phoebe about what he is. Who are these mysterious Founders? Did we see any signs of them outside of this single mention? And I'll throw something back at you guys. I don't think Leo's "bosses' bosses" were the Tribunal. Did Kern murder off the "bosses' bosses" before that trial? Was there any other sign passed "The Honeymoon is Over" (one of Connie's episodes that Kern took over) of these "bosses' bosses"? The Founder are the Elders, simply they changed the name the Elders are only the group of the oldest whitelighter who took commmand Secret and Guys Leo: I was sent to watch over you and your sisters when you first got your powers. You know, help out wherever I could. Phoebe: Sent by who? Leo: Whom. They’re a group of elder white lighters. They’re known as the founders. You were never supposed to find out. I screwed up and got caught. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 15, 2011 17:58:15 GMT -5
*nods* I agree with both of you. Now that I think about it, I'm sure that Leo mentioned "The Founders" and "The Elder whilteighters" when first talking to Phoebe about what he is. Who are these mysterious Founders? Did we see any signs of them outside of this single mention? And I'll throw something back at you guys. I don't think Leo's "bosses' bosses" were the Tribunal. Did Kern murder off the "bosses' bosses" before that trial? Was there any other sign passed "The Honeymoon is Over" (one of Connie's episodes that Kern took over) of these "bosses' bosses"? The Founder are the Elders, simply they changed the name the Elders are only the group of the oldest whitelighter who took commmand Secret and Guys Leo: I was sent to watch over you and your sisters when you first got your powers. You know, help out wherever I could. Phoebe: Sent by who? Leo: Whom. They’re a group of elder white lighters. They’re known as the founders. You were never supposed to find out. I screwed up and got caught. *nods* Yes, I see you're right, so I'll admit that I was wrong. That to me does seem to say that the elders only answer to themselves. Not good - probably why in the comic books they show that that group has been kicked out and a new group put in - but that's the way it was set up. |
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Post by Reality Bites on Apr 1, 2011 10:09:02 GMT -5
So, the Angels of Destiny seem like the most likely suspects to fulfill the role of the Leo's "bosses' bosses", .i.e. those with authority over The Elders.
I wonder how the first whitelighter came about lol. Gosh, sometimes I swear I spend too much time thinking about the magical workings/community/hierarchies of Charmed, lol!
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Post by ljones on Apr 1, 2011 13:34:00 GMT -5
So, the Angels of Destiny seem like the most likely suspects to fulfill the role of the Leo's "bosses' bosses", .i.e. those with authority over The Elders. I wonder how the first whitelighter came about lol. Gosh, sometimes I swear I spend too much time thinking about the magical workings/community/hierarchies of Charmed, lol! If the Angel of Destiny is one of the Elders' bosses, then the Elders are not as high level as one would assume. |
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Post by Reality Bites on Apr 1, 2011 14:18:58 GMT -5
So, the Angels of Destiny seem like the most likely suspects to fulfill the role of the Leo's "bosses' bosses", .i.e. those with authority over The Elders. I wonder how the first whitelighter came about lol. Gosh, sometimes I swear I spend too much time thinking about the magical workings/community/hierarchies of Charmed, lol! If the Angel of Destiny is one of the Elders' bosses, then the Elders are not as high level as one would assume. This is true. I think the second Angel of Destiny hinted as much, when she threatened to "have a talk" with the Elder and Avatar that directed the Charmed Ones in calling her. |
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Post by ljones on Apr 5, 2011 23:07:50 GMT -5
Blessed my ass!
I don't care whether the majority of Wicca practioners are male, female, etc. There are still practitioners of both genders. I don't see why Constance Burge or Brad Kern could not have allowed more male witches included in the series. Nor do I see the reason for allowing only females as witches in the Warren line before Wyatt and Chris. There is no real excuse . . . just more sexism.
Is this what female empowerment supposed to be about? Gender discrimination toward men?
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Post by Jad on Apr 6, 2011 2:21:11 GMT -5
Leo mentions a hierarchy of good many times. It seems to me that the Elders are mid management at best. Whitelighters are people who died that are very good in a moral sense. Those people naturally become whitelighters. So back in the mists of time the eldest whitelighters got together and founded the council of elders.
The Angels of Destiny were also not the direct bosses of the Elders but are the representatives of some kind of gods who were only mentioned in the first episode in the spell that Phoebe read that gave the Charmed Ones their powers.
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Post by Lexi on Apr 7, 2011 8:17:15 GMT -5
I don't care whether the majority of Wicca practioners are male, female, etc. There are still practitioners of both genders. I don't see why Constance Burge or Brad Kern could not have allowed more male witches included in the series. Nor do I see the reason for allowing only females as witches in the Warren line before Wyatt and Chris. There is no real excuse . . . just more sexism. Is this what female empowerment supposed to be about? Gender discrimination toward men? How about the fact that this show was set in a time when many TV shows and movies showed that only men could be the hero and the woman was always the damsel in distress. Charmed, like Buffy, showed that the woman could be the hero too. It is nothing to do with sexism, the way of Wicca or anything. It was a simple portrayal that women are just as powerful as men and was set during a time when that just wasn't the norm when it came to TV shows or even movies. Think about it - this was all over 10 years ago when it started. Sure, there are TV shows that showed both - Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers was just one - but there was still a bit of the men were better than the women. Now many shows do have the equality between men and women and now a show like Charmed is more likely going to show that there can men and women could do the exact same job when it comes to playing the hero. Charmed was just set in a time when women wanted to prove that they were not always the damsel in distress. |
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Post by dstar151 on Apr 7, 2011 20:49:39 GMT -5
i'm confused with the whole elder thing... i thought like whitelighters, u had to die to become one? starting out as a whitelighter earning ur way to become an elder like LEO did. so it was like a rank. but paige became a whitelighter alive, and in witches in tights, the elder passed his position and powers to a living witch... so how is that possible?
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Post by Jad on Apr 8, 2011 3:43:21 GMT -5
So, the show had some hiccups with continuity.
Paige was kind of explained but Witches in Tights threw out almost everyting we knew about Elders.
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