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Post by StoryGirl83 on Mar 24, 2011 1:33:50 GMT -5
Issue #9
The All or Nothing  Release date:
May 25, 2011 [/u] Summary: With a family member lost, The Elders under siege and an unstoppable force about to wreak havoc on the world, Leo must reveal an ancient secret to The Charmed Ones. They must learn the very source of their craft and the true origins of the magic they possess if they have any chance of defeating their latest threat. Written by: Paul Ruditis Cover A: David Seidman Cover B: Photo Cover Artwork by: Dean Kotz Colors by: Milen Parvanov Letters by: Jim Campbell Edited by: Ralph Tedesco & Paul Ruditis |
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Post by joshingabout on May 25, 2011 8:45:38 GMT -5
This was a great issue over all. I found it kinda confusing at first, as the flow of the narration and accompanying imagery implied different things at the same time. Having now gone over it a few times I understand it much better. There are some great surprises and additions to the Charmedverse which are brilliant and well thought out - there's lots of history in here that was great to know. Not everything was explained as clearly as it could have been, however.
I'm really looking forward to the next issue!
The only thing that let this issue down for me is the art, which isn't as crisp as previous ones, (however, the last panel is great ;P)
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Post by ljones on May 25, 2011 22:33:09 GMT -5
The First Witch?  Are they really serious? It's like a rip off of the First Slayer in BUFFY. |
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Post by SimplyAretha on May 25, 2011 23:37:04 GMT -5
I just set up an account with my local comic book store- my comic should be here in a couple of weeks
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Post by joshingabout on May 26, 2011 4:28:26 GMT -5
The First Witch? Are they really serious? It's like a rip off of the First Slayer in BUFFY. Actually reading the issue couldn't hurt before jumping to any conclusions. By title it's similar, but in actuality it's not like The First Slayer at all. |
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Post by Astral Alex on May 26, 2011 15:59:39 GMT -5
Grr, I'd love to read this one. I can't find a shop ANYWHERE that sells the comics, so I'm just trying to follow the plot from the Charmed Wiki - can anybody post a summary of this issue for me?
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Post by Chrisaholic on May 27, 2011 9:35:27 GMT -5
Hmm, I really should think about ordering the comic about amazon. To talk with you guys about it. I mean I always am behind all this. *grgr*
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Post by ljones on May 27, 2011 23:19:37 GMT -5
The First Witch? Are they really serious? It's like a rip off of the First Slayer in BUFFY. Actually reading the issue couldn't hurt before jumping to any conclusions. By title it's similar, but in actuality it's not like The First Slayer at all. Since I have no intention of reading the comics, can you explain? |
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Post by joshingabout on May 28, 2011 6:03:54 GMT -5
I don't see why you won't read the comics. They're really good, and they're going in a totally different direction than Kern's take on Charmed. Ruditis is doing wonders with the series, in my opinion. It took an entire issue to explain The First Witch so I'll just link you to a review of this issue instead of recapping it myself, as said review explains it all: SPOILERIFICwww.adamreisinger.com/2011/05/charmed-comic-review-issue-9-all-or.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterBut yeah, this issue in particular is great. It adds new mythos to the show that answers a lot of questions that some fans had, particularly about the origins of witch magic |
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Post by SimplyAretha on May 28, 2011 13:53:08 GMT -5
lol I don't know why you put spoiler. This thread is to discuss the Comic issue if they don't read it and come in here and read what happens in the issue then... that's their fault. lmao
When I have more time I want to do a review of all the issues. I only have up to issue 6 so far.
We do have a contest going right now where I'm giving away issue #1 - If anyones interested.
Let's get back on topic. So what did you like about the mythos of the storyline? And what do you mean questions some fans had. What are the questions and what was the answer?
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Post by joshingabout on May 28, 2011 19:58:55 GMT -5
Ah, I'm just extra cautious, as I know many forums get very gung-ho about spoilers  Well, a question on the lines of "How do witches get their powers?" comes into mind. This issue explains that brilliantly, although I wonder if it applies to demonic magic as well, since it relates to warlock magic. I LOVE the idea of "The All". It's so mysterious and it was so well thought out, with the allegory to Adam and Eve (with Neena being Eve) and the Higher Realm being the Garden of Eden. I've always wanted something more powerful than the Nexus or The Nothing, or maybe even the Hollow, and I think The All may just be it. I commend Ruditis for thinking it up! (Random thought: I wonder if Ann Ling's father, the Zen Master, pulled an apple out of The Higher Realm, or another garden that was mistaken for the Garden of Eden?) I really want to know who Neena's mate is, the Adam to her Eve, and his role in the story. This story arc trumps the Source's arc by a long shot. My favourite part of the issue was definitely the last page, where a familiar face reveals themselves to Piper: Cole!  I am looking forward to Issue #10 so much. |
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Post by SimplyAretha on May 28, 2011 23:38:58 GMT -5
(Random thought: I wonder if Ann Ling's father, the Zen Master, pulled an apple out of The Higher Realm, or another garden that was mistaken for the Garden of Eden?) I thought it was a plumb that he picked from the Garden of Eden? I have issues 7-9 on order at my local comic book store and I hope it's in by next week. It sounds very interesting. ...and yay my favorite guy is back. |
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Post by ljones on May 31, 2011 11:08:56 GMT -5
So the First Witch idea is similar to the First Slayer idea from BUFFY.
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Post by joshingabout on May 31, 2011 11:41:32 GMT -5
The First Slayer was made by demonic magic infused into a woman so she could fight evil.
Backstory:
Neena is pretty much Eve from the Bible. She stumbled upon the nexus/center/convergence of a force known as "The All". She shared the knowledge of this power with her mate and they originally stayed away from it out of fear. But eventually Neena pushed past that fear and went back to the nexus and was infused with more power than any human was supposed to possess. She shared this power with her mate and they became immortal and invulnerable, and most of all they became bound to the All, and they created a greater state of existence known as "The Higher Realm" (allegory for the Garden of Eden) to which the both of them and The All were bound.
Because of this, the Earth began to die because it was no longer linked with The All, which flows through everything as a neutral spiritual force. The only way to save the Earth was to separate The All from the Higher Realm, to allow its powers to flow through the world again. Neena and her mate were forced to abandon the Higher Realm, never to return.
Neena conceived two children in the Higher Realm and gave birth to them on Earth. The first child had powers like her mother, just not as strong. Her second child also had powers but he twisted the magic for darker purposes, giving lineage to warlock lines.
Their children had no powers at all, but they could access magic as practitioners. Rare cases gave rise to full-witches, who're born with a piece of The All inside them, allowing them to channel it into an active power.
Neena's mate eventually returned to the Higher Realm without her as part of the grand design - The All needed one of the two to survive as its powers had been stretched too thin due to the rise of full witches and warlocks (doesn't mention demons). It wasn't his choice to go back to the Higher Realm though.
Main Point:
Neena isn't just "The First Witch". She is basically the mother of all witches, warlocks and mortals. She is the reason that Witches and Warlocks exist in the first place. She is beyond the control of the Grand Design.
She isn't some demonic force that moves on to the next host like The First Slayer originally was.
The First Witch is very much alive, and she is the reason Melinda Warren's line even began, as Neena (at the time named Isobel) helped Charlotte Warren when she was pregnant [read "To the Warren Born", in Volume 1 of the comics].
The two ideas are RADICALLY different. Just because the word "First" is slapped in there doesn't make it the same. Not by a long shot.
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Post by ljones on May 31, 2011 14:25:11 GMT -5
The First Witch is Eve from the Bible? And where was she when Charlotte was about to give birth to Melinda?
That's okay. I don't think I'll be reading the comics after all. This does not sound that appealing to me.
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Post by joshingabout on May 31, 2011 15:12:42 GMT -5
The First Witch is *like* Eve from the Bible. Their stories are similar. Leo says in the comic that "Many belief systems grew out of the same source material."
It's a very different story to tell, and so far I'm loving it. You might appreciate it more if you read the comics and not just dismiss them - they're really good. They're not expensive anyway.
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I can't remember entirely, but Charlotte is looking for someone who can help her have an abortion (or adopt the baby - memory fails me) - and she meets Isobel (Neena's previous alias) who tells Charlotte that she is carrying a very powerful magical child, and that she should see the birth through, and sends her to meet another witch to help her adjust to things.
Some people theorise that she either sent Charlotte to meet either Eve or Ruth Cobb.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Jun 4, 2011 12:27:35 GMT -5
Some people theorise that she either sent Charlotte to meet either Eve or Ruth Cobb. I think you mean Ev a or Ruth Cobb (I'm of the camp that believes it is probably Eva whom Isabel sent her to). Eve is the name of the Gypsy in "Centennial Charmed" who is by some believed to be Ava Nicolae, due to the fact that her name was similar, the actress playing her looked a lot like Emmanuelle Vaugier (and the other known Gypsy's really didn't), and the fact that she was a Gypsy. On the topic First Witch vs. First Slayer, I can't say much, but from what JoshingAbout is saying about the First Slayer, I'd say the only simularity is in the name. It's interesting in that it says at one point that she was from before there were names, so Neena isn't her real name, but neither is Isabel or Victoria (a name mentioned in issue #7 as being one she has used). Charlotte's intention in "To Warren Born" was to have an abortion. I think maybe "Isabel" would have let her give away Melinda (maybe), but I she wouldn't let Melinda's line die before Melinda was even born. Another interesting factor is "Neena"'s mate. I don't know if the First Slayer has someone with that connection to them, but the way it's described the connection between Neena and her mate is pretty intense to the point where I'd guess they are both extremely loyal to each other and can never forget the other. We are not entirely certain if her mate is alive or dead. MODIFIED to ADD: I updated the first post to include scans of the two covers, to fix the date, and to take away references to a third cover, since there wasn't one. It's weird how the photo cover is slanted, but that's how it really looks. |
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Post by joshingabout on Jun 5, 2011 8:42:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I meant Eva I know the difference between Eve, Eva and Ava, I just mistyped the name. The First Slayer has no mate. She is simply a weapon to fight the demons and vampires, with her abilities forced upon her by a tribal council via demonic/vampiric magic. Her story is NOTHING compared to Neena's, the First Witch. I hope that Volume 2 comes with another short story. I'd like to know whether Charlotte did in fact find Eva or Ruth Cobb, and what happened. |
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Jun 5, 2011 16:49:07 GMT -5
I thought that might be the case, but I wanted to be sure.
I, too, hope that volume #2 come with another short story, because I would love to find out what happens next to Charlotte. I'd also like to find out more about Lawrence. Even if, as it seems, he is dead, there is more that could be said about him. Was he a witch practitioner? What did happen to him (if Charlotte ever found out)?
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Post by SimplyAretha on Jun 5, 2011 23:56:05 GMT -5
Well things certainly haven't changed. The girls are still ignoring Leo.
I agree with the girls, if my other half left me to go back to the higher plane without me I would be made too.
I was almost excited, I thought kyle died.
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Are they really serious? It's like a rip off of the First Slayer in BUFFY.
