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Post by rebooted on Dec 22, 2019 18:09:32 GMT -5
I used to think: -When Season 5 started and all the fairytale creatures came along.
Then I thought: When Phoebe lied to her sisters in Sleuthing. (Which I still think is the shark moment)
Now I think: Secrets and Guys - not THAT they were introduced, but HOW they were introduced.
I never thought Prue's death or Shannen leaving was a shark moment.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 22, 2019 23:19:45 GMT -5
I used to think it was Wyatt's birth - the moment that made the show male-centric rather than female-centric. It was (and still is) a perfect "jump the shark moment" (emphasis on MOMENT - none of these others are actual MOMENTS - they're either entire episodes or even full seasons) and finding out that Prudence Melinda (as Piper would've named her... NOT Melinda!) had a p*nis was a perfectly shocking moment. So it's a jump-the-shark moment, just like Prue's death (a typical jump-the-shark moment) or Paige's introduction (another one) or even Piper and Leo's wedding (yet another typical jump-the-shark moment) but I no longer think that it's not THE jump-the-shark moment that totally changed the show.
Because I've since been convinced that the actual moment was when Piper exploded a watermelon. That, when she no longer needed her sisters in order to get rid of a demon, making her the Power of One and turning Shannen, Alyssa and Rose into co-stars rather than stars, no matter what the opening credits showed, especially when exploding molecules has absolutely nothing to do with freezing time or even freezing molecules - that is a totally different power that's OPPOSITE of her original power and never should've been introduced. And it led to Phoebe's levitation and empathy that had nothing to do with seeing the future. This happened before the others and for me is the actual moment when the show changed for the worse and never changed back, part of why I would've liked to have seen 'Pre-Witched' as the SERIES finale.
Yeah, it would need a bit more to be a true series finale, since it was never meant to be one. But if it was and none of the other episodes were ever aired, I'm sure the rip-off would be about the next generation of Halliwells and not whatever it's about - or we would've seen several made-for-TV Charmed movies. I'd so prefer that!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 9:46:11 GMT -5
What's your definition of when Cole leaves? He's written out on two or three occasions before we even reach his demise in S5 Ep12? If you're in reference towards the 100th episode Centennial Charmed- then I believe all episodes after even into S6 with the introduction to Chris that Charmed certainly struggled to find it's footing again. That's Kern's fault for relying SO heavily on the "Phoebe/Cole" story arc to even see the viewers through S4 though.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 13, 2020 21:00:31 GMT -5
First, welcome to the Cafe!
The member who set up this staff is no longer a member, so it's impossible to say what was his definition of when Cole left. For me, the only time I'd count him as part of a jump the shark moment would've been when Phoebe lied to her sisters about vanquishing him, since if the show didn't jump the shark, they would've lost the Power of Three and never got it back, but that's just me. The Cole/Phoebe storyline is my least-favorite since it ruined my favorite sister, Phoebs.
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Post by forbuss on Sept 4, 2020 21:09:28 GMT -5
What if the earliest moment Charmed jumped the shark was when Paige got bigger boobs from a spell backfiring...
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Post by Ruth Marie on Sept 4, 2020 21:59:34 GMT -5
What if the earliest moment Charmed jumped the shark was when Paige got bigger boobs from a spell backfiring... I think the earliest jump the shark moment was when Piper got her new power that allowed her to vanquish demons without her sisters help.
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Post by forbuss on Oct 11, 2020 21:56:49 GMT -5
Maybe the real jump the shark moment was Piper putting her sisters and the Charmed Ones destiny at risk to be with Leo...
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Post by Too Much Coffee on Oct 11, 2020 22:03:49 GMT -5
Having re-watched 'The Honeymoon's Over' in our re-watch over the weekend, I wonder if it when Cole vanquished the demon Judge, and not the Charmed Ones or one of the sisters, having the male co-star save the day. Something that hadn't happened before on the series until this point.
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Post by Elle Em on Oct 12, 2020 7:20:35 GMT -5
Maybe the real jump the shark moment was Piper putting her sisters and the Charmed Ones destiny at risk to be with Leo... I have other moments in mind for my ultimate jump the shark moment, but this carries some weight. Up until Leo proposed in The Honeymoon's Over, they were just dating. Even as much time and energy as the love triangle of the previous season took up, it was still all about the sisters. When Prue and Andy were dating and then trying to work through their issues, it was still all about the sisters. But at the point when Leo proposed, Piper was always closest with someone other than a sister for the rest of the show. Season 3 was about Piper and Leo fighting to get married and actually doing so. Season 4 Piper wasn't extremely close to Paige, and Phoebe had Cole and his issues during this time as well. Then in season 5 Piper's pregnant and has Wyatt. In season 6 she deals with Leo being an elder and demons after Wyatt and realizing who Chris is. In season 7 she deals with Leo being an avatar and then a human. I don't remember a lot about season 8, but I feel like it was mostly about Leo, Wyatt, and Chris where Piper was concerned. Whereas in season 1 and 2, I would say she was equally close with both of her sisters. Leo took a back seat, even when they were dealing with their issues. So I think Leo's bathroom proposal was a definite jump the shark moment. Not the most defining for me, but still important.
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Post by rebooted on Oct 12, 2020 21:58:35 GMT -5
Maybe the real jump the shark moment was Piper putting her sisters and the Charmed Ones destiny at risk to be with Leo... I have other moments in mind for my ultimate jump the shark moment, but this carries some weight. Up until Leo proposed in The Honeymoon's Over, they were just dating. Even as much time and energy as the love triangle of the previous season took up, it was still all about the sisters. When Prue and Andy were dating and then trying to work through their issues, it was still all about the sisters. But at the point when Leo proposed, Piper was always closest with someone other than a sister for the rest of the show. Season 3 was about Piper and Leo fighting to get married and actually doing so. Season 4 Piper wasn't extremely close to Paige, and Phoebe had Cole and his issues during this time as well. Then in season 5 Piper's pregnant and has Wyatt. In season 6 she deals with Leo being an elder and demons after Wyatt and realizing who Chris is. In season 7 she deals with Leo being an avatar and then a human. I don't remember a lot about season 8, but I feel like it was mostly about Leo, Wyatt, and Chris where Piper was concerned. Whereas in season 1 and 2, I would say she was equally close with both of her sisters. Leo took a back seat, even when they were dealing with their issues. So I think Leo's bathroom proposal was a definite jump the shark moment. Not the most defining for me, but still important. Yes because it paved the way for Phoebe to sort of be allowed to date a demon
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Post by forbuss on Oct 13, 2020 22:00:22 GMT -5
I have other moments in mind for my ultimate jump the shark moment, but this carries some weight. Up until Leo proposed in The Honeymoon's Over, they were just dating. Even as much time and energy as the love triangle of the previous season took up, it was still all about the sisters. When Prue and Andy were dating and then trying to work through their issues, it was still all about the sisters. But at the point when Leo proposed, Piper was always closest with someone other than a sister for the rest of the show. Season 3 was about Piper and Leo fighting to get married and actually doing so. Season 4 Piper wasn't extremely close to Paige, and Phoebe had Cole and his issues during this time as well. Then in season 5 Piper's pregnant and has Wyatt. In season 6 she deals with Leo being an elder and demons after Wyatt and realizing who Chris is. In season 7 she deals with Leo being an avatar and then a human. I don't remember a lot about season 8, but I feel like it was mostly about Leo, Wyatt, and Chris where Piper was concerned. Whereas in season 1 and 2, I would say she was equally close with both of her sisters. Leo took a back seat, even when they were dealing with their issues. So I think Leo's bathroom proposal was a definite jump the shark moment. Not the most defining for me, but still important. Yes because it paved the way for Phoebe to sort of be allowed to date a demon I agree this argument has major merit. Maybe when Phoebe made the choice to fake vanquish Cole and lie to her sisters she thought "Piper chose Leo over us". Phoebe really did exactly what Piper did - date, fall in love with and eventually marry someone she was forbidden to marry. It's interesting, the Elders always forbade Whitelighters and witches from getting married but they didn't seem to care that much when Phoebe dated demons even though this had major consequences for Phoebe, her sisters, and the Elders. Why did the Elders care about Piper but not Phoebe? Is it because they thought her power was weak? Or after Piper and Leo got married did they decide not to care? I know this may seem biased because everyone knows Phoebe has always been and likely will always be my favourite sister, but I feel like people are too hard on Phoebe. She was never the hero, the lead, and was looked at as a sex symbol by the producers. I don't think Constance Burge is perfect, and I don't think Brad Kern was ALL bad as a writer. But I think Kern was behind trying to re-re-define Alyssa (Phoebe) as a prime time family show sex symbol. What he didn't understand is that Constance Burge's Phoebe WAS sexy - not because of what she was wearing, but because her character was so relatable, down to earth and passionate. I think the show started with Phoebe being the fan favourite sister and ended with her being the most hated. Despite all of this, I think Alyssa did a really good job with the sub-par material they gave to her in the later seasons. I always found a reason to love Phoebe even if her storyline was awful. Anyway. That's my gush on Phoebe for the day (haha).
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 15, 2020 18:11:04 GMT -5
I keep reminding everyone that the most-popular answer so far (Season 5/fairytales) shouldn't even be part of this poll, because a TRUE jump-the-shark moment is just that - A MOMENT - and not a full season or even a full episode - it's a moment like Prue's death, Piper's wedding, seeing something between "Prudence Melinda's" leg, Leo proposing to Piper in the bathroom (which has become my moment and isn't even n the list), stuff like that, like Fonzie skiing and jumping over a shark, which is what inspires the name. Perhaps Phoebe becoming a mermaid might be a moment - but that was so typical PhoeME, I didn't think it was a jump-the-shark moment at all. Fairytales also doesn't work as one since they'd been used on Charmed long before S5.
I do wish that choice could be taken out and have Leo proposing to Piper added.
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Post by Julian on Oct 15, 2020 18:16:02 GMT -5
Maybe a new thread should be created by just asking members what their jump the shark moment is, without doing it in a poll, because you really can't poll a subject like this, as everybody has their own opinions and ideas on when the jump the shark moment was.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 25, 2021 21:41:21 GMT -5
The 2 that I picked (despite it sounding contradictory, but I digress):
Never did The S5 Premiere i.e. Fairytable era
That being said, I can explain why I picked, what I picked. I believe Phoebe began derailing back in S4E14 "The Three Faces of Phoebe" and completely butchered her own character by the time S5 hit. Other than that, I don't think the show, itself, derailed from its female empowerment message.
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