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Post by barmyoncharmed on Apr 5, 2006 13:11:05 GMT -5
No that went out the window when Prue died, the sisterly bond hasn't been around for a few seasons now.
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Post by Triad on Apr 5, 2006 13:58:16 GMT -5
Yes with Prue gone, the basic chemistry with the sisters was lost also. The bond does not seem strong now. Also with the wiccan side of the show. When Prue's character was killed off, most of the wiccan background of the show stooped as well, even thouth they gave Charmed a Magical background in Season 5, they still did not evolve their witch sides.
It seems that when Prue's character died, and when Paige came in the writers just saw Piper and Phoebe as senior witches. However, I my eyes they were still far from being that advanced. With the addition of Paige, Piper and Phoebe had to teach their new sister about the witchy ways, while also stunting their own growth as witches(Which was okay for Season 4, since Paige did need to know the basics). That action my have distracted the writers from the needed wiccan background that the new sisters needed to improve on. I do not think that Piper, Phoebe, and Paige are that great of witches, but only have a great power that needs three of them, but it seems that even that power is weakened also since their bond as sisters isn't as strong as the Original Charmed Ones.
Let's face it. The sisters now have been stunted in their growth as witches, and may have even forget about things that they have learned before. The learning stooped at around Season 3, and their knowledge about witches and their former powers in the past have almost fully disappeared. There is no word on curses, banishments or even the skills that the girls learned in All Halliwell's Eve, which was a wonderful episode that showed the audience about the power that witches in the past had obtained. It's also a shame that Paige didn't get to experience what Piper and Phoebe experienced in the past.
I still like the show, but it's still hard to believe that this is the result of the show that I loved.
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Post by ljones on Apr 12, 2006 10:28:25 GMT -5
I've been thinking of the Charmed Ones' symbol - the triquetra - and found this definition on the Web:
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Post by Assassin Witch on Apr 12, 2006 11:30:26 GMT -5
Budget is not a good excuse. Magical powers, that gets cut down from the budget, but wicca shouldn't. In fact, with budget problems, wicca should become more used. Just watch "All Halliwell's Eve". Brooms, apples, herbs, how much do those cost? I loved AHE because of the wicca mentioned, but, wait...what happened to wicca after that? *looks around* I still haven't found that. Of course, this show is about magic and witches and we've had ONE halloween episode, so what do you expect?
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Post by ljones on Apr 12, 2006 13:38:02 GMT -5
Budget is not a good excuse. Magical powers, that gets cut down from the budget, but wicca shouldn't. In fact, with budget problems, wicca should become more used. Just watch "All Halliwell's Eve". Brooms, apples, herbs, how much do those cost? I loved AHE because of the wicca mentioned, but, wait...what happened to wicca after that? *looks around* I still haven't found that. Of course, this show is about magic and witches and we've had ONE halloween episode, so what do you expect? I suspect that many had expected more about Wicca on the show, considering that two episodes featured the word - "Wicca" - in it, Phoebe once dragged Piper to a Wiccan ceremony, Piper and Leo were married in a Wiccan handfasting ceremony and the sisters have mentioned something like "the Wiccan Code" a few times. Just because Paige was marrying a mortal did not mean that she and Henry could not have a Wiccan handfasting ceremony. After all, the ceremony had been created by mortals . . . for mortals.
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Post by irishgreen70 on May 29, 2006 0:06:58 GMT -5
Hi all! Only slightly off the subject but I don't know where else to post this and it be looked at. :-) I have a question....in Pheobe's new apartment, there is a symbol on her wall that I can't place. It's kind of faded into the paint but still noticable. It looks a little like the L as written in the alphabet of the Magi or kinda like the s or t from the THEBAN alphabet. (been looking at lots of symbols, can you tell)
Anywho, it sort of resembles a 3 with a hook at the top and the bottom curve is really big. Any ideas?? I think it might have something to do with the protection and wiccan or something, but like I said, I just can't place it. Not finind any scene pics of her apartment on the net anywhere either.
Thanks for any help. Blessed Be!!
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Post by Astral Echo on Jun 9, 2006 13:51:23 GMT -5
Charmed was starting to lose it's Wicca and Magick when Constance left, it slowly drifted away two years after she left leaving Kern in charge. He rarely had anything to do with the Wicca stuff it was all down to Constance. I do agree that the relationship stuff was good, you can't do a show, what ever it's genre with out abit of love. It just won't hold. But the Paige and Phoebe stuff was to much, way to much. Charmed was a more modern edge on witchcraft, on Sci Fi TV. But I do agree it did lose it's magick after Season Four. Leprochauns, Trolls, Unicorns, what the hell was all that about!
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Post by spiritsas on Jun 9, 2006 18:43:00 GMT -5
Ljones: There is a good definition and a lot of information about the show, pretty much of it all accurate, about the Triqueta on Wikipedia.com.
On the Wicca content of the show. Yes, I too feel that it started as part of the show, when it was edgy and new, but there was probably a lot of pressure from the network to keep that to a minimum as most people don't understand it and are uncomfortable with it. Thanks to centuries of bad press by the Church, it gets associated with Devil worship. Needless to say, that can turn off viewers, which is not what the network wants. So, they had to tone that aspect of it down a bit. In some of the novels it's explored a lot more, as the issue is not as significant.
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Post by ArchAngel on Jun 19, 2006 6:52:12 GMT -5
Budget is not a good excuse. Magical powers, that gets cut down from the budget, but wicca shouldn't. In fact, with budget problems, wicca should become more used. Just watch "All Halliwell's Eve". Brooms, apples, herbs, how much do those cost? I loved AHE because of the wicca mentioned, but, wait...what happened to wicca after that? *looks around* I still haven't found that. Of course, this show is about magic and witches and we've had ONE halloween episode, so what do you expect? Um, net What most people don't get is that the Girls where raised Christian cause Patty and Victor were Christian. Grams was the Wiccan, and Melinda was the first of the family being a Magical Witch who was a Wiccan Practioner liker her Mother Charlotte Because she was Wiccan she created a Book of Shadows to contain her spells, her ceromonies and family events, and knowing that her family line was going to have the "Charmed Ones" (because of the girls coming back in "All Halliwell Eve" to save her and Charlotte from Cole and the evil Witch and Charlotte and her Nanny relating suh stories to her) it also contains the Demonology and Cosmology references that would be helpful to would be "Deathslayers"/"Demon Hunters" Now if Melinda had been a non-practioner of any religion she might have made a simple Spellbook also known as a "Grimore" (Spellbook) If She had made a book simular to the Families book with all the Demonology and Cosmoloy references then the Book would be called a "Orizon" (magical Worbook) instead of a "Book of Shadows" I would personally like to belive that the girls figured out that they didn't have to do Wiccan Ceromonies in order to be Magical Witches and them giving lip service wasn't only unneccessary but somwhat disrespectful to real practitioners. If fact at some point they where using "real witch" v.s. "only a practioner" (unfortunatley one loony "only a practioner" they underestimated had a rifle in "All hell Breaks loose",yes? )
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 29, 2006 16:30:46 GMT -5
I don't even think Constance Buerge had this Wiccan thing down. She used some elements to disguise what the show really was about: three sisters endowed with supernatural abilities who fight demonic bad guys.
But not knowing her, who am I to assess blame. As some of you have pointed out, however, a show about witches in fundamentalist Christian America? Better not make them real witches? Supernaturally endowed women okay. But, not witchy witches!
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Post by misskitty66 on Jul 5, 2006 18:17:03 GMT -5
there's always gonna be one bug in the program. when people think of witches and witch craft and wiccan ways. this all points to satan... and people just dont wanna deal with that. and instead of tryin to understand it all it's better to ignore it or push it under the carpet. that's proably why the story changed. this is a little off subject but what they are goin to show next fall... the people who didnt wanna know bout wiccan ways ect.. and toned charmed down... good lord these next shows do worse for kids than charmed ever could of been. i for one am a curious person and wiccan ways dont scare me in the least... but i loved charmed ... nuff said i guess
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Post by Xenith on Jul 17, 2006 23:05:03 GMT -5
Yeah I don't think the show ever intended to delve that much into Wicca, even under Constance. Look at the sixth episode of the first Season (Wedding from Hell). In it the villian was Hecate. Maybe I'm just being ignorant, but isn't Hecate like a mother goddess in some variations of Wicca?
If so then that certainly doesn't seem like the show ever planned on being respectful or representative of the Wicca religion..
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Post by vandergraafk on Jul 26, 2006 13:27:57 GMT -5
Except Satan is a creation of Catholicism. In Pagan religions - where what we might call witchcraft was present - there is no concept of Satan. Christianity is what poisoned witchcraft and associated it with Satanism. Now, Satanists may employ Wicca for their own evil purposes. But, isn't that why witches become warlocks in the first place?
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Post by ljones on Jul 26, 2006 14:33:25 GMT -5
Here is what I had found out about Hecate: hekate.timerift.net/ and hekate.timerift.net/roles.htmIronically, I found this, as well: and; and one last passage: Ironically, CHARMED has portrayed Hecate as an evil demoness. On BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, Willow has invoked Hecate's name to make her spells more powerful.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jul 26, 2006 15:40:55 GMT -5
Interesting, very interesting! What conclusion do you draw from this?
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Post by thekiwicharmed on Jul 27, 2006 0:06:35 GMT -5
In the first three seasons, the magical world of Charmed introduced original concepts such as the spiritual nexus or the workings of the show's witchcraft, and involved creatures such as Whitelighters and Darklighters, and also a number of mythological creatures not frequently adapted to television, such as the Woogyman, the Wendigo or the Banshee. This is probably attributable to Constance M. Burge as well as story editor Robert Masello, introduced as the show's mythology expert (as seen in the 1999 documentary Women of Charmed).
Gradually from the fourth season, besides keeping the dominance of creatures with attributes explicitly created to conform to the storylines, Charmed started to rely more heavily on using creatures from classical (i.e. Greek and Roman) mythology as well as from miscellaneous folklore items well-known in contemporary culture.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jul 27, 2006 12:42:06 GMT -5
Where can one view the documentary "Women of Charmed". And, don't forget the Hindu religion, although use of the concept Avatar deviates sharply from the Hindu religion.
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Post by ljones on Aug 17, 2006 11:20:49 GMT -5
I found this on the origin of the words "devil" and "demon": From "The War in Heaven" by Michel Martin del Campo ( fs6.depauw.edu/~aevans/HONR102/WebPages/Spring2003/Michel2/page10.html) - "The word "devil" comes form the Greek word, "diabolas", which means "to throw across, slander," while "demon" comes from the Greek word "daemon", which means "spirit" (Sisury 131). Demons only became the Devil's helpers and minions in later Christian mythology." . . . The story of Lucifer, or at least one version, is that he was an archangel, a leader of the heavenly host. Some say he even sat at the right hand of God. On the second day after Creation, though, Lucifer grew full of pride and sat on the throne of God. For his sin, Lucifer and all who helped were cast out of heaven and into hell.
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Post by vandergraafk on Aug 17, 2006 13:54:13 GMT -5
Thanks for illustrating my point above that Satan is a creation of Christianity! Demons, too!
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Post by witchychick84 on Aug 17, 2006 21:46:23 GMT -5
Yeah so take that for people who believed otherwise!
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