WAS SEASON EIGHT AS GOOD AS THE OTHER SEASONS?

[ljones]

Was S8 a good season? No.

[iamthesun]

No it wasn't one of the best, but it had its moments...Paige and Henry, their marriage for one, at least.

[Chrisaholic]

Some moments in S8 were great but the rest, you'd rather forget. Too many things anew and never used again!!

[Esmeralda]

Dec 26, 2013 13:14:04 GMT -5 iamthesun said:

No it wasn't one of the best, but it had its moments...Paige and Henry, their marriage for one, at least.

For me, that's the ONLY one - S8's saving grace. The reason why I like S8 better than S6 - for me, there was NO saving graces in S6 (and I include "Oh, My Goddess!" as part of S6). Just because of Paige and Henry, I'd rather S6 be thrown away and S8 kept (meaning we never see Big Wyatt or Big Chris...) than have S8 thrown away and we kept S6.

[forbuss]

Yes! It's surprising that Paige was one of my favourite parts about season 8, considering she didn't want to do it.

Also weird how I love Phoebe and Prue's on screen chemistry in season 3, despite their alleged off screen "feuds".

[iamthesun]

Me too! If you didn't know they weren't getting on, you'd never know, their performances never gave that away. I think Paige getting married and moving on with her life felt more natural and not so rushed. I wasn't a fan of big Wyatt and Chris either!

[Chrisaholic]

Yet some things were hurried down fast, others were so slow and not needed than in the seasons before, except S6 maybe.

[Esmeralda]

Dec 28, 2013 7:32:13 GMT -5 iamthesun said:

Me too! If you didn't know they weren't getting on, you'd never know, their performances never gave that away. I think Paige getting married and moving on with her life felt more natural and not so rushed. I wasn't a fan of big Wyatt and Chris either!

Had Paige met Henry in S7 rather than Brody (don't I wish...), then I'd agree. Paige's was actually more rushed - we don't know for sure when Phoebe and Coop got married. Kern was just so determined that the only way the sisters could be happy was being married with three kids. *roll eyes*

[iamthesun]

Exactly, everything had to be tied up neatly with a bow. Yeah, if Henry had been introduced earlier, we could have got to see more of him. Oh but I did like Paige and Brody! Charmed Noir was really good.

[Esmeralda]

Charmed Noir is one of my favorite episodes, but I hated Paige behaving with him the way Phoebe behaved with Cole - turning her back on her sisters to be with her lover - and I hated how obsessed he was about the avatars. And I hated the fact that he was rewarded by being turned into a whitelighter not because he did good in his life (he was as obsessed as Cole and that's not being good) but because he was fighting on the right side.

Such a shame. In certain poses, he reminded me so much of Cole (even the names Kyle and Cole) that I really thought he was going to end up being a descendant of one of Cole's father's siblings - the idea of Paige ending up with a relative of Cole's (even a distant one...) always gave me a kick. He was also the best actor of all of Phoebe's slampieces.

I much would've preferred if it had been Henry as part of Charmed Noir.

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Season 8 good? No. Very simple. However, I do find it better than season 6 in certain aspects. Mainly due to Piper and Paige this season. Now what went wrong?

-Phoebe trying to hit on a man at her own funeral
-Fake identities
-Piper and Phoebe ganging up on Paige for trying to help a charge
-Agent Murphy really having no point to be on the show
-Phoebe more concerned over Dex than exposure
-Poor transition and reveal of them faking their deaths
-Awful guest stars. Jason Lewis/Janice Dickenson/Kaley Cuoco/Victor Webster all sucked
-Lack of focus on sister development for the 3 main leads.
-To much emphasis on Billy's character
-No innocents saved by the sisters
-Phoebe being completely useless all season
-The demon with the half mask was comical
-The Triad being boring elderly dumb men in poorly made robes
-The Source's unnecessary return
-The Angel of Destiny making no sense
-How the sisters especially Piper jumped to the conclusion that murder was their only solution
-Why nobody tried helping Christy or binding her powers
-Piper being able to activate Coops ring
-Grams and Patty calling the Hollow back into the box
-How Phoebe moves out when Piper needed her the most
-Rehashes of stories from earlier seasons
-Forever Charmed easily the worst episode of the series
-The executives poor attempt at trying to capitalize on Sex and The City's popularity.
-Piper surviving the manor explosion when everyone should've been killed
-Everyone having a happily ever after for commiting murder

The highlight was Paige and her relationship with Henry. I also liked how she genuinely cared for her charges. "Horror Picture Show" with her father was a great episode although the end resolution was a bit tacky. I noticed this season Paige and Piper have a lot of scenes together. Piper actually sits next to Paige on the sofa and they speak. Usually they're either across from each other or Piper is next to Phoebe. I like they're interaction this season. Piper is well, Piper and she will always be my fave.

[Esmeralda]

Excellent post, QUEENPIPER - I agree with just about everything you said.

I'm surprised that you also consider the vanquish of the Jenkinses as first-degree murder and that the sisters shouldn't have been rewarded for that - I really didn't think you'd think so. But I'm glad.

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Thank you Esmeralda

I think it was murder because thats what it was. I felt bad for Christy. She was kidnapped and brainwashed by demons for years. She was a victim. It baffled me how they (the sisters) tried demonising her to justify their plan of killing her. She wasn't a demon she was a person. Even after knowing Christy had been brainwashed they still wanted to kill her. Except Phoebe who tried talking to Billy numerous times. They could've easily bound her powers and tried saving her from the Triad's influence. They all should've died in the manor explosion.

As for their reward, rediculous. I wish the Angel of Destiny could've been vanquished. "This is how it was supposed to end." I wanted to smack her. It was supposed to end by murder? I swear that Angel was more evil than the Triad.

[Esmeralda]

I swear that except for Sandra, all of the Elders were more demonic than the demons! And the Angel most definitely was.

The only one who should've survived the explosion was Paige - she should've panic-orbed out, the only one whose power should've been able to save her. In my own Forever Charmed rewrite, "Charmed Forever", that's what I have happen and it's easily my most popular fanfic.

I also have them bind the Jenkinses' powers, but I do one up by letting Coop use Billie's love for her sister to bring the sister she truly loved - the one who was kidnapped forward to their time, then bind their powers before returning them, also letting their parents live. Problem solved!

It just shows what happened when Brad Kern and The WB took over and wanted huge special effects...

Actually, as long as you listed all of your problems with Season 8, I'm going to just list my problems with "Forever Charmed", all problems I solved:

1. How both Piper and Billie survived that explosion at the end of "Kill Billie Vol 2" without a broken bone since neither of their powers should've been able to save them

2. Why the Hollow didn’t go out of Piper and Billie until a being of good and a being of evil said the spell on the Hollow’s box

3. How Piper and Dumain, both non-cupids, were able to use a cupid’s ring, which is only used to amplify and direct a cupid's power

3. Why we only saw Piper and Leo as old and not Phoebe, Coop, Paige or Henry

4. Why Old Piper and Old Leo in the future knew what Piper and Leo were going to do, but Wyatt and Chris had no idea and neither did S6 Chris

5. Why Patty’s idea of three generations of Halliwells tapping into the Power of Three worked, when only three sisters descended from Melinda Warren are supposed to be able to tap into the Power of Three

6. Why Grams didn’t recognize Piper from "That 70’s Episode" when she said a spell to delete it from little Prue and little Piper's memory, not from hers and Patty's.

7. Why Wyatt ever had his powers in the future, if he’d lost them to the Jenkinses as a toddler

8. Why Henry wasn’t part of the final all-generation hug and why Chris didn't hug Leo

9. How the Charmed Ones were able to write down what would happen in the future when they hadn’t lived it yet

10. How Leo, an ex-whitelighter mortal, could [/i]possibly handle magical children while trying to teach them

[Chrisaholic]

S8 - no fun for me. Still not! So many things rushed, others not explained or completely forgotten. New dynamics and the whole focus was on Billie, so not my thing!

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Feb 11, 2014 1:10:49 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I swear that except for Sandra, all of the Elders were more demonic than the demons! And the Angel most definitely was.

The only one who should've survived the explosion was Paige - she should've panic-orbed out, the only one whose power should've been able to save her. In my own Forever Charmed rewrite, "Charmed Forever", that's what I have happen and it's easily my most popular fanfic.

I also have them bind the Jenkinses' powers, but I do one up by letting Coop use Billie's love for her sister to bring the sister she truly loved - the one who was kidnapped forward to their time, then bind their powers before returning them, also letting their parents live. Problem solved!

It just shows what happened when Brad Kern and The WB took over and wanted huge special effects...

Actually, as long as you listed all of your problems with Season 8, I'm going to just list my problems with "Forever Charmed", all problems I solved:

1. How both Piper and Billie survived that explosion at the end of "Kill Billie Vol 2" without a broken bone since neither of their powers should've been able to save them

2. Why the Hollow didn’t go out of Piper and Billie until a being of good and a being of evil said the spell on the Hollow’s box

3. How Piper and Dumain, both non-cupids, were able to use a cupid’s ring, which is only used to amplify and direct a cupid's power

3. Why we only saw Piper and Leo as old and not Phoebe, Coop, Paige or Henry

4. Why Old Piper and Old Leo in the future knew what Piper and Leo were going to do, but Wyatt and Chris had no idea and neither did S6 Chris

5. Why Patty’s idea of three generations of Halliwells tapping into the Power of Three worked, when only three sisters descended from Melinda Warren are supposed to be able to tap into the Power of Three

6. Why Grams didn’t recognize Piper from "That 70’s Episode" when she said a spell to delete it from little Prue and little Piper's memory, not from hers and Patty's.

7. Why Wyatt ever had his powers in the future, if he’d lost them to the Jenkinses as a toddler

8. Why Henry wasn’t part of the final all-generation hug and why Chris didn't hug Leo

9. How the Charmed Ones were able to write down what would happen in the future when they hadn’t lived it yet

10. How Leo, an ex-whitelighter mortal, could

LMAO at #9

I agree with your list except for #7. Wasn't that explained though? Wyatt and Chris were fighting demons and in the middle of the battle Wyatt loses his powers. That happened at the same time when the Jenkinses absorbed toddler Wyatt's powers. That moment till we see both Adult Chris and Wyatt come back from the future actually makes sense time wise. And when they appear adult Wyatt has no powers. I never found that to be an error. 

[Astral Vision]

QueenPiper: Welcome to the forum (and cool choice of username). I definitely agree on all of your points. As to The Lost Picture Show, although I love both that episode and Sam I Am for looking at the Paige/Sam father-daughter relationship (and for only that. The main plots of both episodes were not the best), I find that their subplot is pretty much exactly the same as that of Sam I Am. Yes, Sam did disappear for three whole years with no word, but it would have been nice if it had not have been written like that. If Sam had visited off-screen, so as to take away the possibility of a three-year gap, then the subplot could have involved some sort of development in their relationship, rather than making it a complete rehash of their Sam I Am subplot.

And despite Phoebe's personality and habits, she's not as annoying in this final season as she had been in seasons five, six, and seven (I should also add the second half of season four to this list - she just becomes so unbearable and unlikeable from then on). Yes, the Dex plot and still looking for her future daughter's dad quest is annoying, but thanks to the even bigger annoyance of a new character on set in season eight, Phoebe's annoyance factor is toned down.

Did I just thank Billie for something? Ugh.

Es: Chris didn't hug Leo? I never even noticed that. That hug-fest at the end of Forever Charmed is so cheesey and so unnecessary that I don't think I've ever paid enough attention to that scene.

I think that it was a typical Charmed thing to do to have time travel involved in the finale, but since they could never write it properly (unable to keep to any continuity on how time travel works in the Charmed-verse as the methods and outcomes of time travel varied each and every time it was used), the episode is far too flawed. The Wyatt losing his powers thing in the future and the contents of what past Grams and past Patty do and do not know are all too flawed to enjoy the episode.

Oh, and as to the bit where they're writing in the Book of Shadows at the end. I don't think they're writing their futures in the Book. I think it's just a bad transition to the voiceovers for a flash forward that is not made clear since they keep cutting back to the present depending on which sister's future is being focused on.

[Astral Vision]

Feb 11, 2014 11:40:01 GMT -5 @queenpiper said:

Feb 11, 2014 1:10:49 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I swear that except for Sandra, all of the Elders were more demonic than the demons! And the Angel most definitely was.

The only one who should've survived the explosion was Paige - she should've panic-orbed out, the only one whose power should've been able to save her. In my own Forever Charmed rewrite, "Charmed Forever", that's what I have happen and it's easily my most popular fanfic.

I also have them bind the Jenkinses' powers, but I do one up by letting Coop use Billie's love for her sister to bring the sister she truly loved - the one who was kidnapped forward to their time, then bind their powers before returning them, also letting their parents live. Problem solved!

It just shows what happened when Brad Kern and The WB took over and wanted huge special effects...

Actually, as long as you listed all of your problems with Season 8, I'm going to just list my problems with "Forever Charmed", all problems I solved:

1. How both Piper and Billie survived that explosion at the end of "Kill Billie Vol 2" without a broken bone since neither of their powers should've been able to save them

2. Why the Hollow didn’t go out of Piper and Billie until a being of good and a being of evil said the spell on the Hollow’s box

3. How Piper and Dumain, both non-cupids, were able to use a cupid’s ring, which is only used to amplify and direct a cupid's power

3. Why we only saw Piper and Leo as old and not Phoebe, Coop, Paige or Henry

4. Why Old Piper and Old Leo in the future knew what Piper and Leo were going to do, but Wyatt and Chris had no idea and neither did S6 Chris

5. Why Patty’s idea of three generations of Halliwells tapping into the Power of Three worked, when only three sisters descended from Melinda Warren are supposed to be able to tap into the Power of Three

6. Why Grams didn’t recognize Piper from "That 70’s Episode" when she said a spell to delete it from little Prue and little Piper's memory, not from hers and Patty's.

7. Why Wyatt ever had his powers in the future, if he’d lost them to the Jenkinses as a toddler

8. Why Henry wasn’t part of the final all-generation hug and why Chris didn't hug Leo

9. How the Charmed Ones were able to write down what would happen in the future when they hadn’t lived it yet

10. How Leo, an ex-whitelighter mortal, could

LMAO at #9

I agree with your list except for #7. Wasn't that explained though? Wyatt and Chris were fighting demons and in the middle of the battle Wyatt loses his powers. That happened at the same time when the Jenkinses absorbed toddler Wyatt's powers. That moment till we see both Adult Chris and Wyatt come back from the future actually makes sense time wise. And when they appear adult Wyatt has no powers. I never found that to be an error. 

I think the issue with number 7 is that if Wyatt's powers were taken when he was a toddler, why would it take twenty five years for it to affect Wyatt? Wyatt lost his powers right away. Therefore, future Wyatt would not have ever had those powers to be fighting demons with Chris when he suddenly loses them. So Wyatt and Chris should never have needed to come back because it should have always been like that.

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Astral Vision

Thank you so much 

Horror Picture Show I actually agree with all your points. I will add though I could not stand Agent Murphy at all and never understood what was the need for him to be a recurring character. After his aid in covering up the sisters reveal, there wasn't any need for him anymore. He didn't contribute much of anything to the season and I found his presence in this episode just as unnecessary. As for the episode as a whole, the only thing I enjoyed about it was Paige and Sam. Ever since season 5 I had a false hope that they're relationship will continue and develop further. Unfortunately that never happened. I was disappointed to hear that Sam never even bothered to keep in touch with Paige after Sam I Am. I didn't blame her for not wanting to be bothered with him and his excuse as to why he never attempted to have a relationship with her was weak. This brings me to the point I made about how the end resolution was so tacky. Paige admitting or should I say calling Sam dad, which allowed the people to be freed was just... sloppy writing and very out of character for Paige, at least from her attitude toward him that entire episode. It would've made more sense, had Paige and Sam spent time together off screen throughout that 3 year gap, where she could finally come to terms finally call Sam dad. Not that I would believe she would anyway. Dad Matthews would always be her real father, but had Sam stepped up and gave 100% to his daughter it would've been more believable had the attempt been made. 

As for Phoebe, I was more annoyed at how she was useless the whole season. She didn't contribute to much of anything until I'd say the last few episodes? Hulkus Polkus When she helped her sisters and the last episodes when she tried reaching out to Billy. To be honest, I loved the scene where she yells at Coop in her bedroom and says she needs to be with her sisters. Thats the Phoebe I love. I personally feel after all the failed relationships she had, and the belief that her daughter in the vision won't happen, she went into a depression and kept it to herself. Thats the only reason I can conclude that aids me to understand Phoebe this season.  I agree Phoebe did seemed toned down behavior wise, but she was still ridiculous at points. Like how she completely ignored Paige when she was telling her about possible exposure and continued to speak about Dex.

Lol did you just thank Billy? OMG 

See heres the thing. I respect Billy to a certain extent. Yes she was poorly written, yes she was a cheap Prue knockoff (same powers), yes her constant screen time was annoying, but she kept site of the bigger picture while the sisters continued to fall into obscurity of their own desires. Well minus Paige she actually gave a damn about her charges. Billy knew that innocents were the most important and even tells Phoebe off in front of her room when she tries to talk her out of helping someone. It was just mind boggling how all innocents this season were rescued by Billy and not the sisters. Whether that was written intentionally to highlight Billy as the new witch in charge for her spinoff I don't know. But something was just very off this season with the characters. I don't hate Billy, I think its just the poor storyline that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I do watch season 8 as all other seasons, and this season in particular feels like the 3 sisters are pretty much supporting characters to Billy, whereas every other season where there was a guest star recurring for the season, felt like a guest star.

Now for future Wyatt. Its my understanding that the past present and future all run consecutively. Its like in That 70's Episode, had the sisters changed anything significant then their future or should I say present time would've been altered as soon as the event happened. When baby Wyatt had his powers stolen, adult Wyatt at the same time was in a fight with demons. Chris says he loses his powers in the middle of the fight. It didn't actually take 25 years to lose his powers, both Wyatts lost their powers at the same time. Baby has no powers, adult has no power. So adult Chris had to rescue adult Wyatt from demons, bring him back to wherever and make a spell to go back in time to find out what happened. Am I making sense? lol

[Esmeralda]

Feb 11, 2014 11:40:01 GMT -5 @queenpiper said:

Feb 11, 2014 1:10:49 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I swear that except for Sandra, all of the Elders were more demonic than the demons! And the Angel most definitely was.

The only one who should've survived the explosion was Paige - she should've panic-orbed out, the only one whose power should've been able to save her. In my own Forever Charmed rewrite, "Charmed Forever", that's what I have happen and it's easily my most popular fanfic.

I also have them bind the Jenkinses' powers, but I do one up by letting Coop use Billie's love for her sister to bring the sister she truly loved - the one who was kidnapped forward to their time, then bind their powers before returning them, also letting their parents live. Problem solved!

It just shows what happened when Brad Kern and The WB took over and wanted huge special effects...

Actually, as long as you listed all of your problems with Season 8, I'm going to just list my problems with "Forever Charmed", all problems I solved:

1. How both Piper and Billie survived that explosion at the end of "Kill Billie Vol 2" without a broken bone since neither of their powers should've been able to save them

2. Why the Hollow didn’t go out of Piper and Billie until a being of good and a being of evil said the spell on the Hollow’s box

3. How Piper and Dumain, both non-cupids, were able to use a cupid’s ring, which is only used to amplify and direct a cupid's power

3. Why we only saw Piper and Leo as old and not Phoebe, Coop, Paige or Henry

4. Why Old Piper and Old Leo in the future knew what Piper and Leo were going to do, but Wyatt and Chris had no idea and neither did S6 Chris

5. Why Patty’s idea of three generations of Halliwells tapping into the Power of Three worked, when only three sisters descended from Melinda Warren are supposed to be able to tap into the Power of Three

6. Why Grams didn’t recognize Piper from "That 70’s Episode" when she said a spell to delete it from little Prue and little Piper's memory, not from hers and Patty's.

7. Why Wyatt ever had his powers in the future, if he’d lost them to the Jenkinses as a toddler

8. Why Henry wasn’t part of the final all-generation hug and why Chris didn't hug Leo

9. How the Charmed Ones were able to write down what would happen in the future when they hadn’t lived it yet

10. How Leo, an ex-whitelighter mortal, could teach magical children without them using his magic on them

LMAO at #9

I agree with your list except for #7. Wasn't that explained though? Wyatt and Chris were fighting demons and in the middle of the battle Wyatt loses his powers. That happened at the same time when the Jenkinses absorbed toddler Wyatt's powers. That moment till we see both Adult Chris and Wyatt come back from the future actually makes sense time wise. And when they appear adult Wyatt has no powers. I never found that to be an error. 

Yes, that was *their* solution but it doesn't make sense. How can something in the future happen at the same time as something in the past?  No one went time-travelling to *that* future so one should not have affected the other. That's as bad as letting them write about what's going to happen in the future when they havne't even lived it yet. Sorry,for me it doesn't wash. Wyatt should've been powerless until they could be returned, which should've happened when a being of evil and a being of good said the spell on the Hollow box.

As long as you agree with most of those, have to throw another one at you. You probably won't like it, but I'll be interested to see what you think. Another thread here at the Cafe asked

If you were a demon out to kill The Charmed Ones:

1. What would your powers be?
2. What would your demonic name be?
3. What's your motive?
4. How would you go about killing the Charmed Ones?

This is my answer. Hope you get a kick out of it.

My name is Kernus Braddus. How will I kill the Charmed Ones? I don't have to. You see, I am the one who caused the death of the Charmed Ones in May, 2006! Mwah ha ha!

I am the Demon of Inconsistency. I take perfectly normal people and make them think that things that are totally inconsistent with what happened before is happening now, so they end up getting confused and end up killing themselves. Then when they do, I make their spirits think that they're still alive and are living happily ever after even tho they're dead, dead, dead! Mwah ha ha!

I actually made Piper Halliwell think that her measly powers of freezing and explosion could protect her from the huge explosion when the powers of the Hollow hit each other, which I also caused. One one person can be possessed by the Hollow, but I made them think they could, just like I made the Jenkinses think they could. Christy was the only one who was truly possessed by the Hollow, and thanks to my powers of inconsistency, she killed them all!! Mwah ha ha!

So I made the spirit of Piper Halliwell think that the explosion had sent the Hollow back (it didn't) that the Angel of Destiny had given her husband back (she didn't - after all, the Angel of Destiny is a white male, not a black female - she never even took him...), that Billie Jenkins had also survived the explosion (she didn't) and that Piper Halliwell could actually use a cupid's ring to go back in time to save the others when all the time she was dead, dead, dead! Mwah ha ha!!

So Piper Halliwell is as dead as Prudence Halliwell, Phoebe Halliwell, and Paige Matthews, and no one is going to bring the Charmed Ones back! Ever! Mwah ha ha!

How absolutely diabolical is that?? I'm more diabolical than any demon because I can make them think themselves to death! Who is the true Source of all Evil?? Me!!! I only let that fake one think he was, just like I let all those so-called "demons" think they were demons when they were really just evil humans who had been banished to Hell!! It's why their only powers were fireballs and shimmering...nothing compared to what true demons (like the Demon of Fear and the Demon of Illusion and me, the Demon of Inconsistency) have!

Be logical, people! How else could The Source of All Evil come back to life even though he was vanquished?? How could he even be vanquished??? Once someone is vanquished, they don't go to Hell or the Wasteland or any stupid thing like that...they are gone! forever! Their spirit, their essence no longer exists!!! That's the definition of vanquish, as compared to banish.

I, Kernus Braddus, the True Source of All Evil, can never be vanquished because Evil can not be vanquished!

I did the same thing to the Triad and the same thing to Cole Turner! He was vanquished in 2002 and never came back--how could he when his essence was totally gone forever??...I only made the Charmed Ones think he had come back! Mwah ha ha!!

Just like I made Piper Hallliwell think she had died and come back to life so many times that when it finally happened she let it happen! It's why she's dead, dead, dead!! Mwah ha ha!

And you actually want to know why I do such horrible things??

Because I'm a demon and it's fun! What other reason do I need than that??

(Many thanks to my friend Justro who came up with the concept of Kernus, Demon of Inconstancy for her fantastic fic "Everyone Hates Billie", and to my friend Aurora Nightstar who pointed out the identity of the TRUE Source of All Evil in Charmedom in her wonderful fic "The Root of All Evil")

That shows you how very stupid I think Season 8 is!