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Post by Astral Vision on Feb 11, 2014 13:19:23 GMT -5
QueenPiper, about future Wyatt suddenly losing his powers: what you suggested would mean that every future Wyatt of every future second would suddenly lose their powers, right? Therefore, surely more Wyatts and Chrises from the future would start popping up telling the same sort of story? That's what makes no sense about the overall premise. Why would only the duo from twenty five (give or take) years in the future decide to come back in time for an explanation?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 14:08:26 GMT -5
QueenPiper, about future Wyatt suddenly losing his powers: what you suggested would mean that every future Wyatt of every future second would suddenly lose their powers, right? Therefore, surely more Wyatts and Chrises from the future would start popping up telling the same sort of story? That's what makes no sense about the overall premise. Why would only the duo from twenty five (give or take) years in the future decide to come back in time for an explanation? yes every Wyatt from the future in a future time would have lost their powers. They're all based on the baby Wyatt on seasons 5-8. With his powers gone Wyatt can't grow up with active powers stopping him from being twice blessed in power. The reason why the adult versions came back is because those are the characters the audience already knows and they wanted to have all the characters back in the finale. We could've seen a much older version of those characters 30-40 but we got the age we were familiar with. Had they re casted Chris and Wyatt to be much older with older actors to be in the finale I don't think fans would've appreciated that. |
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Post by Astral Vision on Feb 11, 2014 14:15:34 GMT -5
I realise that and I realise they had to come up with a reason to bring those two actors back for the finale. From an in-universe prospective though, it's flawed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 15:11:03 GMT -5
I realise that and I realise they had to come up with a reason to bring those two actors back for the finale. From an in-universe prospective though, it's flawed. I just thought about something. In order for someone to truly have their power stripped in a timeline conituum, wouldn't Wyatt's power needed to be stripped while in Piper's belly while his powers first manifested? Why would present day Wyatt lose his powers if past Wyatt still had them? |
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Post by Astral Vision on Feb 11, 2014 15:28:52 GMT -5
I realise that and I realise they had to come up with a reason to bring those two actors back for the finale. From an in-universe prospective though, it's flawed. I just thought about something. In order for someone to truly have their power stripped in a timeline conituum, wouldn't Wyatt's power needed to be stripped while in Piper's belly while his powers first manifested? Why would present day Wyatt lose his powers if past Wyatt still had them? Could you explain in a little more depth what you mean by that? I have a feeling I know, but I could be completely wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 15:33:34 GMT -5
I just thought about something. In order for someone to truly have their power stripped in a timeline conituum, wouldn't Wyatt's power needed to be stripped while in Piper's belly while his powers first manifested? Why would present day Wyatt lose his powers if past Wyatt still had them? Could you explain in a little more depth what you mean by that? I have a feeling I know, but I could be completely wrong. I'm going to try my best without getting confused lol Present day Wyatt had his powers stripped, this affected adult Wyatt because he also lost his powers. Past Wyatt is still alive in the time travel continuum with his powers. So shouldn't present day and future Wyatt still have had their powers? In order to truly strip anyone of their powers wouldn't you have to go back in time to say when Piper was pregnant with Wyatt to truly stop his line of power? Just like in season 1 the sisters had to go back in time to get their mother to break Nicholas' ring. |
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Post by Astral Vision on Feb 11, 2014 15:38:31 GMT -5
Could you explain in a little more depth what you mean by that? I have a feeling I know, but I could be completely wrong. I'm going to try my best without getting confused lol Present day Wyatt had his powers stripped, this affected adult Wyatt because he also lost his powers. Past Wyatt is still alive in the time travel continuum with his powers. So shouldn't present day and future Wyatt still have had their powers? In order to truly strip anyone of their powers wouldn't you have to go back in time to say when Piper was pregnant with Wyatt to truly stop his line of power? Okay. I think I get you. You're saying that even if Wyatt has his powers stripped when he's three. No future version of him will have his powers, but every past version of him will. Therefore, for it to be possible for Wyatt to have never had his powers at all (and therefore make no difference for him to suddenly decide to come back in time to figure out what happened), the powers would have to be stripped before his birth. Is that what you meant? Not that any of this would be possible in the context of Forever Charmed, but it's still interesting to think about. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 15:41:13 GMT -5
I'm going to try my best without getting confused lol Present day Wyatt had his powers stripped, this affected adult Wyatt because he also lost his powers. Past Wyatt is still alive in the time travel continuum with his powers. So shouldn't present day and future Wyatt still have had their powers? In order to truly strip anyone of their powers wouldn't you have to go back in time to say when Piper was pregnant with Wyatt to truly stop his line of power? Okay. I think I get you. You're saying that even if Wyatt has his powers stripped when he's three. No future version of him will have his powers, but every past version of him will. Therefore, for it to be possible for Wyatt to have never had his powers at all (and therefore make no difference for him to suddenly decide to come back in time to figure out what happened), the powers would have to be stripped before his birth. Is that what you meant? Not that any of this would be possible in the context of Forever Charmed, but it's still interesting to think about. Yes exactly!  What do you think? |
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Post by Astral Vision on Feb 11, 2014 15:48:57 GMT -5
Okay. I think I get you. You're saying that even if Wyatt has his powers stripped when he's three. No future version of him will have his powers, but every past version of him will. Therefore, for it to be possible for Wyatt to have never had his powers at all (and therefore make no difference for him to suddenly decide to come back in time to figure out what happened), the powers would have to be stripped before his birth. Is that what you meant? Not that any of this would be possible in the context of Forever Charmed, but it's still interesting to think about. Yes exactly! What do you think? I like the concept, but in order for someone to travel from the future to the past and perform that sort of a binding spell on a pregnant Piper, a future where Wyatt does have powers would have to exist (otherwise, how would the person know to go back in time and bind his powers?)... Which would then mean that you have the same problem happening again - but in reverse? All future Wyatts would have their power (except now it would probably be splitting into a separate timeline), but the not-yet-born Wyatt would not? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 16:00:25 GMT -5
I think I confused you.
Take Billy and Christy. 25 year old Wyatt has his powers in the future right, They strip his powers in present time as a toddler thus stopping all future Wyatts from having power. But... past Wyatt still exists with powers in the time travel realm, so all Wyatts should still have their powers (past present and future making the hollow absorbtion invalid). In order to really stop his powers, Billy and Christy must time travel into the past and use the Hollow to absorb Piper and Wyatts powers while hes a fetus. This would affect all eras of Wyatt and stop his powers completely. There is no past Wyatt because he's a fetus without power. Anything after wouldn't have any power either. In the finale of season 8, adult and present day Wyatt still should've had their powers because past Wyatt is alive with his powers active. Am I making sense?
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Post by Astral Vision on Feb 11, 2014 16:05:29 GMT -5
I think I confused you. Take Billy and Christy. 25 year old Wyatt has his powers in the future right, They strip his powers in present time as a toddler thus stopping all future Wyatts from having power. But... past Wyatt still exists with powers in the time travel realm, so all Wyatts should still have their powers (past present and future making the hollow absorbtion invalid). In order to really stop his powers, Billy and Christy must time travel into the past and use the Hollow to absorb Piper and Wyatts powers while hes a fetus. This would affect all eras of Wyatt and stop his powers completely. There is no past Wyatt because he's a fetus without power. Anything after wouldn't have any power either. In the finale of season 8, adult and present day Wyatt still should've had their powers because past Wyatt is alive with his powers active. Am I making sense? No, because if foetus Wyatt has no powers, then adult and present day Wyatt shouldn't have theirs either... And then there's a whole paradox issue... Gah. Time travel is just so confusing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 16:08:25 GMT -5
I think I confused you. Take Billy and Christy. 25 year old Wyatt has his powers in the future right, They strip his powers in present time as a toddler thus stopping all future Wyatts from having power. But... past Wyatt still exists with powers in the time travel realm, so all Wyatts should still have their powers (past present and future making the hollow absorbtion invalid). In order to really stop his powers, Billy and Christy must time travel into the past and use the Hollow to absorb Piper and Wyatts powers while hes a fetus. This would affect all eras of Wyatt and stop his powers completely. There is no past Wyatt because he's a fetus without power. Anything after wouldn't have any power either. In the finale of season 8, adult and present day Wyatt still should've had their powers because past Wyatt is alive with his powers active. Am I making sense? No, because if foetus Wyatt has no powers, then adult and present day Wyatt shouldn't have theirs either... And then there's a whole paradox issue... Gah. Time travel is just so confusing. Thats exactly what I'm saying though. If fetus Wyatt has no power than his entire line of time travel selves will have no power. But since past Wyatt is still alive when present day Wyatt gets stripped, that never even should've worked and adult Wyatt still should've had his powers. Ok yes this is confusing lol sorry |
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Post by Chrisaholic on Feb 14, 2014 11:03:04 GMT -5
Totally confusing here. I've got enough headaches from Charmed already.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 12:28:07 GMT -5
Totally confusing here. I've got enough headaches from Charmed already. Lmao I know right! Watching Season 8 is confusing because of its storyline, but trying to figure it out and make sense of anything is even more confusing! Forever Charmed is a head scratcher. |
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Post by iamthesun on Feb 14, 2014 14:09:52 GMT -5
Hmm it was all a happily ever after affair. I didn't really like all the children in the episode, but some were Piper and Leo's grandchildren, so I guess it fitted - they were family oriented (as they all were, but I felt it most with Piper). But the future Phoebe and Paige.. Hmm it didn't really seem realistic to me. I liked how the doors shut at the end, it had that link to the first episode.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 15:04:22 GMT -5
I think they just went way to far into the future. I mean Piper and Leo's grandchildren? They should've just showed them aged a bit with adult Chris Wyatt and a young Melinda (?) I also didn't like how everyone had children. Paige was the most unbelievable one of them all. But I get it, they wanted that everyones happy end. To bad they couldn't have done a proper tribute to Prue. They could've at least went to Prue's tomb with all the family. LOl
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Post by Chrisaholic on Feb 14, 2014 17:33:36 GMT -5
Still, if they show us the three sisters' children but we only got to know two of them, meaning Chris and Wyatt, why then this big family happy end? It could have done better with some memories of Prue or how could Chris remember where his Grandpa lived when he hadn't visited him in his journey of the past? These hints are a part of memories only. Otherwise it doesn't make sense. Sure, more headache alert here!  |
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Post by thepowerofnicki on Feb 14, 2014 21:26:48 GMT -5
Why did they have to all have three kids!!! Grrr..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2014 21:44:00 GMT -5
Still, if they show us the three sisters' children but we only got to know two of them, meaning Chris and Wyatt, why then this big family happy end? It could have done better with some memories of Prue or how could Chris remember where his Grandpa lived when he hadn't visited him in his journey of the past? These hints are a part of memories only. Otherwise it doesn't make sense. Sure, more headache alert here! Now I'm confused! LOL. BTW I love your Avatar! Wes and Drew look so adorable there. Speaking of all the sisters having kids, why were Paige's daughters the only ones with nappy undone hair and everyone elses was nice and done? Just a tiny nitpick lol |
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Post by iamthesun on Feb 15, 2014 6:52:07 GMT -5
yeah they could have incorporated Prue into it, not like with pictures or anything but just remembering her. Even with an older Wyatt and Chris in the attic with the book and ready to take over from the sisters or something. It would have been nice to see what they did in the future besides having children - like Paige going back to Social Work. Yeah there wasn't a connection with all those other kids..we didn't know them. I did like how they showed the photos on the wall, going up the stairs. That was a really nice touch.
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