Phoebe: Love is the hardest magic of all...

[♥.·:*¨Kat¨*:·.♥]

I have to comment on this question of deception.

The Charmed Ones have to protect their secret, in doing so they have to deceive everyone they come into contact with.

Revealing they are witches is a trust issue, Phoebe obviously didn't think she could trust Jason with their secret and she was right. She probably should never have continued their relationship given that she felt she had to hide such a large piece of her life from him.

[vandergraafk]

Kat29, as much as you and I see eye to eye on this issue of deception, it is truly amazing how difficult some fans have in accepting the need to deceive or, as I prefer to call it, withhold crucial information. After all, exposure cost Prue her life. Besides, not every mortal is likely to react to witchcraft as Henry did. Alas, I apparently am an apologist as I make excuses for the Charmed Ones.

[whitelightertony]

Vandergraaf, I don't think you're being an apologist at all.

The Charmed Ones have to trust their intuition when determining if they can trust a mortal with their secret. Obviously, Paige felt she was able to trust both Henry and Glenn.

Phoebe didn't really "choose" to confide in Jason, because he found out about the Halliwells by accident.

Obviously, the Charmed Ones have plenty of potential real-world allies. We saw that Darryl and Sheila could be trusted. And it's likely that there are others who are (or have been) in the Charmed Ones' non-magical lives - - for example, Elise, Becca, Wendy, Leslie St. Clair, Bob Cowan, Jenny Gordon, and Jack Sheridan come to mind - - who could potentially be trusted with such important knowledge. If the Halliwells had revealed their secret to any of those people, I'm sure that any of them could eventually come to be trusted when keeping magic secret.

Jason and Dex each certainly agreed to keep it a secret, but it came at the expense of their relationships with Phoebe.

[belladonna]

A smidge off-topic...In "All Halliwell's Eve" Pheobe is at the fair and a man claims he can tell her the first initial of her true love. When it turns out to be C she immediately jumps to the conclusion that its Cole. As it turns out, it is "C"... for Coop!
I wonder if the writers were aware or it was a happy accident?

[charmedgurl21]

True that, but she did close her heart and wouldnt let love back in i kinkda liked that one lol ...at the end shes like now that boy can kiss its crazi but funny lol

[charmedgurl21]

charmedfan4evr said:

redowl said:

he made Phoebe lie about him being dead

He didn't make Phoebe lie about him being dead. Phoebe made that decision all on her own, she came up with the whole plan.

she lied cuz she loves him when some one loves some on that much their do anything for that person !

[charmrox]

Wow you are a romantic

[eureka]

Nice to meet you.

simplypoo83 said:

Discuss Phoebe Halliwell's character on charmed.

[Jamie]

I personally believe that Phoebe was one of the best characters in the show. She grew so much throughout the total of eight years. She seemed to go from being, young and immature to being a strong, confident woman. In the show, she did have her moments, but she seemed a fantastic character, and I thoroughly enjoyed watching her.

I also believe that Alyssa was the perfect person to portray Phoebe. She seemed to have the essence of Phoebe that, from the pilot episode, I don't think Lori Rom had. Alyssa also seemed to have the same characteristics as the other three woman. Alyssa, Holly and Rose all have brown hair, brown eyes and are small women. Forget about Shannen lol. Whereas Lori Rom, in the pilot didn't look anything like the women, and looked a lot older, making her look less like the younger sister.

[hydrokinisis]

Like I said many times before, I loved Phoebe season 1-4, she developed well from the young, free-spirited to mature, and responsible middle sister very well by the end of Season 4. But then by Season 5, Phoebe became so bitter toward Cole and began to lose the spark that made her character great. Then in Season 6 began the downhill spiral of Phoebe's character. From this til' the end, she was baby-obsessed, man-obsessed woman who had no interest in magic anymore and had to force herself to vanquish demon. What happened to the kicking demon a** Phoebe? What happened to by sisters come first Phoebe? What happened to saving the innocents Phoebe? I mean if you look at Season 1 episode and Season 6 episode, you would see 2 completely different characters. But still think Alyssa is a good actress and will always love her early portrayl of Phoebe.

[Elder]

What made Phoebe lean towards being with the evil side of Cole?

Could it be because she had that evil past life in the 1920s or because she was born in the home and was more drawn to evil due to the nexus...

[vandergraafk]

Both of the reasons you proffer are acceptable and were certainly used by the writing team to explain Phoebe's lure to the darkside. However, as we know from Season 4's Firestarter episode, (some) powers can go either way. Having great powers can be a temptation. Use of those powers for personal gain over an extended period of time can bring a witch to the brink of a slippery slope that will descend to warlock status.

[ljones]

elder said:

What made Phoebe lean towards being with the evil side of Cole?

Could it be because she had that evil past life in the 1920s or because she was born in the home and was more drawn to evil due to the nexus...

Why is Phoebe the only one regarded as having the ability to lean toward the evil side? All of the sisters have been attracted to evil before. All of the sisters have allowed their emotions, greed, fear or etc. to lure them to the darker side of their nature.

Phoebe gave in to Cole (or the Source) in late Season 4, because she was in love with Cole. That's it.

[vandergraafk]

Ljones is quite correct in noting that there are dark side tendencies within each of the Charmed Ones. Obviously, we've seen Paige's dark past (A Knight to Remember), Phoebe's dark past (Pardon My Past). Had the show chosen to, it probably would have given us a show about Prue's dark past, as well as Piper's.

But, that would not be the only reason for asserting that within each of the Charmed Ones, there lies the tendency for evil to emerge or dark deeds to be done. Certainly, the sheer temptation of power is enough to justify this assertion. And, in Bride and Gloom, those tendencies came to the fore, albeit in a rather bizarre way. (Just why turning Prue would turn her sisters is a mystery to me. Not even Cole could explain this one.)

Still, there is the matter of Phoebe. From time to time, Cole wanted Phoebe to turn to the darkside. Whether it was during the period when Cole was dominated by the Source or when Cole was exploring all his suicidal options (Season 5's The Importance of Being Phoebe), Cole knew that there was great potential for evil in Phoebe. The mere fact that she, alone among the sisters, had been born in the manor indicated as much. Let the Shadow free and Phoebe would turn evil (Is There a Woogy in the House?) was Cole's surface explanation to his demonic henchmen in The Importance of Being Phoebe. Of course, we know that Cole was only trying to determine whether Phoebe could actually vanquish him by having the earth swallow him after taking in the Shadow. It couldn't, and Cole truly was at wit's end.

In other words, we can suggest that Phoebe was especially vulnerable to a turn to the darkside. Unfortunately, Phoebe was also vulnerable to becoming PhoeME. That occurred all too frequently during Season 6.

[ljones]

vandergraafk said:

Still, there is the matter of Phoebe. From time to time, Cole wanted Phoebe to turn to the darkside. Whether it was during the period when Cole was dominated by the Source or when Cole was exploring all his suicidal options (Season 5's The Importance of Being Phoebe), Cole knew that there was great potential for evil in Phoebe. The mere fact that she, alone among the sisters, had been born in the manor indicated as much. Let the Shadow free and Phoebe would turn evil (Is There a Woogy in the House?) was Cole's surface explanation to his demonic henchmen in The Importance of Being Phoebe. Of course, we know that Cole was only trying to determine whether Phoebe could actually vanquish him by having the earth swallow him after taking in the Shadow. It couldn't, and Cole truly was at wit's end.

In other words, we can suggest that Phoebe was especially vulnerable to a turn to the darkside. Unfortunately, Phoebe was also vulnerable to becoming PhoeME. That occurred all too frequently during Season 6.

WTF?


Phoebe wasn't especially vulnerable to her darker tendencies! They all were! Prue's pride and anger issues made her vulnerable. Piper's resentment against being a witch made her vulnerable. Phoebe's selfishness and tendency to wallow in her illusions made her vulnerable. And Paige's slight tendency toward sadism and her ruthless self-righteousness made her vulnerable. Good grief!

From time to time Cole wanted to lure Phoebe to the darkside? Are you speaking of Season 5 ONLY? If you're referring to Season 4, blame the Source, not Cole.

[vandergraafk]

I guess Is There a Woogy in the House (Season 1) has no resonance with you?

[charmedgirl08]

Phoebe grew the most of all out of all of the sisters. She went from being the big messup to being the most successful advice columnist in San Fransisco. She also had to learn how to be the middle sister instead of being the youngest. She had to help piper learn how to accept Paige as a sister and how to let go of prue. Phoebe accomplished so much and became a much better sister/witch/columnist because of it.

[ArchAngel]

charmedgirl08 said:

Phoebe grew the most of all out of all of the sisters. She went from being the big messup to being the most successful advice columnist in San Fransisco. She also had to learn how to be the middle sister instead of being the youngest. She had to help piper learn how to accept Paige as a sister and how to let go of prue. Phoebe accomplished so much and became a much better sister/witch/columnist because of it.

Pfft, Phoebe is still the same Self-centered person that runs from responsibility and when she feels cornered otherwise she:

1) Wouldn't have been refusing to use her powers to save innocents when her premonition about her baby (in the Avatar Runned and Demon free world by the way) didn't come true even though her premonitions are primarily for events the Charmed Ones are supposed to prevent

2) She was always more interested in finishing her deadlines or or next notch in her bedpost over her sister's problems or saving innocents

3) Was always more interested in her petty little issues over saving innocents.

I mean don't get me wrong as Piper was Selfish and in her own little world of wanting to Play "normal" over doing what she supposed to until a demon knocked her on her behind and Paige was still in her "looking inward" Hindu whatever thinga majig which is why they were all so easily manipulatable by the demons and warlocks so easily....so<yawn>

Likewise

1) She ran away from Home when Grams died cause it "was too much to bear"

2) She ran away from every relationship that got "too Serious" except from the one she should have with Cole because of that hedge magic involving the apple peel making a C (Cooper starts with C...lol)

3) She moved away from the Manor when her sisters needed her the most even after being the one encouraging Paige to give up her independent residence

4) She uses the job, Relationship advise columnist of all things (Ironic cause she sucks at love herself), to get away from demon fighting, her sisters, and her Charmed/Witch responsibilities

Yeah, I know, way too much thought in this but I have 4 days off and American Idol is off the air

[vandergraafk]

Yes, but she stood in the foreground and held off sister Paige when confronting the Avatars in Charmaggedon. Phoebe certainly had her issues, but I don't think you can stack it all one sidedly. In Sam I Am, Phoebe has sense enough to figure out what Cole is trying to do: use "suicide by witch" as his way out of a dilemma. In Centennial Charmed, of course, it is Phoebe who finally throws the vanquishing potion to eliminate Cole in the alternative universe.

[Jamie]

archangel said:

charmedgirl08 said:

Phoebe grew the most of all out of all of the sisters. She went from being the big messup to being the most successful advice columnist in San Fransisco. She also had to learn how to be the middle sister instead of being the youngest. She had to help piper learn how to accept Paige as a sister and how to let go of Prue. Phoebe accomplished so much and became a much better sister/witch/columnist because of it.

Pfft, Phoebe is still the same Self-centered person that runs from responsibility and when she feels cornered otherwise she:

1) Wouldn't have been refusing to use her powers to save innocents when her premonition about her baby (in the Avatar Runned and Demon free world by the way) didn't come true even though her premonitions are primarily for events the Charmed Ones are supposed to prevent

2) She was always more interested in finishing her deadlines or or next notch in her bedpost over her sister's problems or saving innocents

3) Was always more interested in her petty little issues over saving innocents.

I mean don't get me wrong as Piper was Selfish and in her own little world of wanting to Play "normal" over doing what she supposed to until a demon knocked her on her behind and Paige was still in her "looking inward" Hindu whatever thinga majig which is why they were all so easily manipulatable by the demons and warlocks so easily....so<yawn>

Likewise

1) She ran away from Home when Grams died cause it "was too much to bear"

2) She ran away from every relationship that got "too Serious" except from the one she should have with Cole because of that hedge magic involving the apple peel making a C (Cooper starts with C...lol)

3) She moved away from the Manor when her sisters needed her the most even after being the one encouraging Paige to give up her independent residence

4) She uses the job, Relationship advise columnist of all things (Ironic cause she sucks at love herself), to get away from demon fighting, her sisters, and her Charmed/Witch responsibilities

Yeah, I know, way too much thought in this but I have 4 days off and American Idol is off the air

1. First of all she wasn't more interested in finishing deadlines than saving innocents and fighting demons. Her advice column was a way of her helping people in need, and she always managed to balance both aspects of her life.

2. She wasn't more interested in her petty little isues than demon fighting. In which episode was this put across lol?

3. She ran away because she was young and immature since then she has grown as a character and has become more dependable and interesting character.

4. She didn't run away from any relationships because they got to serious. Jason - - Couldn't accept her magic. Lesley - - Had to move away to pursue his career. Cole - - Had to be vanquished because he was evil. Drake - - He eventually died because his year of being human was over. And Coop - - She is now married to him and didn't leave him at the alter lol so I'm guessing that went well. Those are her main relationships, and as you can see she didn't run away from any of them.

5. She moved away from the Manor because she needed her own life. Everyone needs to be independent. Just because she moved away doesn't make her selfish, it's like saying that because you (HAVE OR HAVEN'T YET) moved out of your home with your family that you are selfish.

6. She doesn't use her job as an advice columnist to escape demon fighting, as we have stated earlier on, and obviously she doesn't suck at love, by looking over all the relationships that she has had over the years.