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Post by barmyoncharmed on Sept 1, 2006 4:00:42 GMT -5
I agree she was a great addition, but the writers were so lazy with her character. Taking her away from social work, making her act like a baby with the lollipop, not giving her power boosts after a couple of years.
Her character wasn't written to her full potential, which is sad really.
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 1, 2006 13:59:51 GMT -5
Ah, but those are things that can be redeemed now that the major era of demon fighting is over. Paige is the one who is most capable of rattling cages. She is the one who doesn't merely accept that some things are inevitable. True, she sometimes gets dispirited (Something Wicca), but she wants to do specific acts of good. Hence, she was the most skeptical about the Avatar thing. It was too global an act to help specific individuals, too utopian for her.
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Post by barmyoncharmed on Sept 2, 2006 3:30:03 GMT -5
It was far too wide spread that spreading themselves that thinly would have caused major problems, that she could see happening.
It's just a shame that the writers didn't fulfill her true potential, she would've done more good as a social worker as she wanted to balance things as well.
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Post by *Sammi!* on Sept 2, 2006 7:10:51 GMT -5
Her social worker potential is the basis of her wanting to help people and I think her wanting to go back into social work in Season8, but it not happening is very disappointing and she should have been given that chance to shine... Maybe thats why she was attracted to Henry because she liked helping people and thats what Henry does for a career also....
Infact if you look at it, all the sisters married someone who likes helping people, I know I shouldnt discuss it here, but barring Cole, Phoebe married someone who helps find love and Piper married an angel!!...
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Post by barmyoncharmed on Sept 2, 2006 8:54:26 GMT -5
Piper married a whitelighter not an angel, if he had been an angel then there was no way that the Charmed Ones would have been around. As they were meant to be the most powerful witches around.
Paige lost so much potential bcause the writers were lazy with the character.
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Post by starr on Sept 2, 2006 11:30:49 GMT -5
Actually Leo was referred to as both an angel and a whitelighter. One example.... the episode with Wyatt's Wiccaning....Grams says Leo doesn't count he is an angel...when talking about men. I remember Piper calling him and angel too...just dont remember the episode(s).
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Post by barmyoncharmed on Sept 2, 2006 12:49:57 GMT -5
Yeah I know which ones you mean but can't remember the names of them.
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 2, 2006 12:55:13 GMT -5
That's absolutely why she was attracted to Henry. Here was a down to earth guy making a contribution to improving the lives of people caught in an awful vice. What cemented her attraction was the episode when Henry begged her to take in the parolee's baby. That's what Paige did with Tyler and how she bent over backward to protect Caroline. Two peas in a pod. None of her other boyfriends even came close. Agent Brody was a possible mate, but too self-absorbed over the loss of his parents. Henry had lost his, but moved on.
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Post by *Sammi!* on Sept 2, 2006 17:42:53 GMT -5
Im glad someone agrees with me... Even though Leo is a Whitelighter, he is, by the books, dead. Making him an angel right? Or am I misunderstood?
Henry was a perfect match for Paige after all of her doomed realtionships with anyone else, even though Brody accepted who she was, he had a vendetta. Henry was a genuine guy who took Paiges gift in stride and still loved her for who she was... That Glen guy just thought about himself... kept trying to pull Paige away from her new found family for his satisfaction only... Never liked him... Glad he married an up tight blonde girl and not Paige... he didnt deserve her...
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 2, 2006 22:10:19 GMT -5
No, Leo is a whitelighter. Whitelighters are not angels. That status seems to be reserved for specific entities such as the Angel of Death, the Angel of Destiny, of which there are multiple versions. Each of these creatures occupies a position superior to the Elders, who as we know, are above whitelighters in the hierarchy of the supernatural. Angels seem to be neutral parties: neither good nor evil. Nor are they akin to the Avatars. They are not beyond good and evil.
I must beg to disagree with respect to your characterization of Glenn. Glenn was a free spirit who had the same adventurist mind set of Paige. However, Paige was more than just a free spirit. She was a dedicated witch and as we suspect will be equally dedicated as a whitelighter. Whether Glenn's fiance was an uptight blonde, I'll pass on. I just hope we're not bashing blondes, multi-tonal or otherwise! You never know when the Stillman sisters will reappear.
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Post by barmyoncharmed on Sept 3, 2006 5:46:20 GMT -5
Oh I didn't think she was up tight she was threatened and frightened by GLenn's relationship with Paige, frightened after the fact Paige put her in the volcano. Which I thought was funny, but I wonder if he'd have accepted her witchiness after getting over the shock of finding out she was one? I dont think they gave him a fair try out for that one, I know Henry was shocked then accepted but still I wonder  Hey some blondes are dumb like every other hair colour |
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Post by *Sammi!* on Sept 6, 2006 9:32:53 GMT -5
Im not afraid of my fellas relationship with his ex, and they have been friends/lovers etc since they were knee high to a grass hopper. Jessica was indeedy a bit uptight for no apparant reason... Paige was just shocked and apologised, but jessica wouldnt take it!!
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Post by barmyoncharmed on Sept 6, 2006 11:49:02 GMT -5
I would be surprised if anyone who wasn't sure of themselves could accept a relationship like that. Kyle was a better suit than Glen, but he was s till absorbed with beating the demons who killed his parents, so wouldn't have taken the precautions needed to not get himself killed. Henry at least didn't run like a girl when he found Paige was a witch, which was sweet  |
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 6, 2006 15:38:14 GMT -5
An apology for wrecking someone's wedding by sending the bride to the Hellmouth and impersonating her is a pretty tall order. Uptight might be the most easily forgiveable reactions on the part of Jessica, whom we might note either chose not to attend Paige's "funeral" or was no longer together with Glenn!
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Post by *Sammi!* on Sept 6, 2006 15:41:04 GMT -5
hmmm maybe but she was still a lil bit uptight before all the stuff with Paige went on... dont wanna cause an argument, just expressing an opinion, and Henry was perfect for her and they deserve each other, what a cute couple!!
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Post by starr on Sept 6, 2006 18:54:03 GMT -5
No, Leo is a whitelighter. Whitelighters are not angels. That status seems to be reserved for specific entities such as the Angel of Death, the Angel of Destiny, of which there are multiple versions. Each of these creatures occupies a position superior to the Elders, who as we know, are above whitelighters in the hierarchy of the supernatural. Angels seem to be neutral parties: neither good nor evil. Nor are they akin to the Avatars. They are not beyond good and evil. I must beg to disagree with respect to your characterization of Glenn. Glenn was a free spirit who had the same adventurist mind set of Paige. However, Paige was more than just a free spirit. She was a dedicated witch and as we suspect will be equally dedicated as a whitelighter. Whether Glenn's fiance was an uptight blonde, I'll pass on. I just hope we're not bashing blondes, multi-tonal or otherwise! You never know when the Stillman sisters will reappear. Actually Leo IS an angel and was referred to as such several times in the series. He is also a Whitelighter as we know but he is an angel. |
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Post by vandergraafk on Sept 7, 2006 14:03:42 GMT -5
Actually, Piper refers to him as an angel, but I would scarcely consider her an expert on all things Elder-related. If whitelighters are angels, then are the Elders archangels? And, if whitelighters are angels, are they only minor (or lesser) angels when compared to the angels of death and destiny. Clearly, there is a hierarchy. The angel of destiny is not happy with the angel of death for having pointed Piper in the direction of "higher authorities".
Maybe we need to define "angel" in terms of Charmed just as we have to define "witch" in terms of Charmed. Simply important a concept from Catholocism and imposing it on Charmed makes as little sense as taking the word "Wicca" or the concept of "witch" - as used in the real, everyday world - and applying them to Charmed.
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Post by starr on Sept 7, 2006 18:30:43 GMT -5
Actually, Piper refers to him as an angel, but I would scarcely consider her an expert on all things Elder-related. If whitelighters are angels, then are the Elders archangels? And, if whitelighters are angels, are they only minor (or lesser) angels when compared to the angels of death and destiny. Clearly, there is a hierarchy. The angel of destiny is not happy with the angel of death for having pointed Piper in the direction of "higher authorities". Maybe we need to define "angel" in terms of Charmed just as we have to define "witch" in terms of Charmed. Simply important a concept from Catholocism and imposing it on Charmed makes as little sense as taking the word "Wicca" or the concept of "witch" - as used in the real, everyday world - and applying them to Charmed. Actually, Grams calls him an angel in Necromancing The Stone. And I dont think it is a matter of being an "expert" in all Elder related matters. And I dont have a list of the whole freakin Angel order as far as archangels and what not. I am simply going from what was said in the show. It didnt give a breakdown of the whole hierarchy. It should NOT matter anyway, it is a just a show and I dont need their definition of an Angel or the order in which they would be in a hierarchy. Leo IS an angel...he is referred to as such not only by Grams, but Piper and others in different episodes. Of course the same would apply to the definition of a witch. If they call them witches, then they are witches. It may not be the same as what other people think of in real life but who cares. This is just nit picky. And I can NOT believe we are even debating this. This is so ridiculous. I dont think you watched the same show as I did. |
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Post by MarAcev on Sept 7, 2006 19:28:37 GMT -5
Piper and Grams calling him an angel is a figure of speech. In Primrose empath Piper called Leo an angel and he corrected her and I quote "not exactly"
He is a whitelighter, not technically an angel. She just refers to him as such because for her he basically has a very similar role to an angel as a protector and is an overall really, really good guy, which we all, mere mortals refer to as "angels".
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Post by starr on Sept 7, 2006 19:47:53 GMT -5
Well I guess that is left for each one of us to interpret then at this point. It did not seem as though it was a "figure of speech" to me when they called him an angel. I dont think it is the same at all as when someone refers to someone as an "angel" in real life. We can only go by what is told in the show. I still believe he is an actual angel for purpose of the show. At least until Season 7 when he became human again. Leo to me is a Guardian Angel/Whitelighter. And when he said "not exactly" I think that was his sense of humor.
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