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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 16:51:03 GMT -5
Storygirl, I wish you and Jana had been writing the episodes. They might have made a lot more sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 4:10:59 GMT -5
1: Elders and "The Founders" alike? Leo states he was sent by the founders but these people are never mentioned again. Could they be named Elders in later episodes are are they different levels of the same group of beings? 2: "You were never supposed to find out" Leo says that witches are never supposed to know about their whitelighters but how do you heal a witch without giving it away? 3: Did the sisters have a whitelighter when they had their powers as youngsters (Before Nicholas) Getting a whitelighter when you get your power means from birth, eh? 1. Maybe the Founders are the ones that recycle mortals into whitelighters? A seperated group from the Elders to avoid biased-ness? 2. Possibly because they didn't know they were witch's and Leo watched over them their whole lives which is kinda creepy. Also, maybe Leo was told to keep a distance because the Elders foresaw Piper and Leo getting together, also being lovers in their past lives and knew about Patty and Sam's affair. 3. Hasn't Leo always been their whitelighter? I kinda find it gross to know that Leo watched over Piper as a baby and fell for her. It's kinda gross. Like a 90 year old caretaker creeping over a 25 year old. I hate whitelighters as much as all the other magical community beings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 11:55:03 GMT -5
Does make him sound like a pedophile, doesn't it.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Jul 8, 2016 12:25:04 GMT -5
Ugh, don't give that picture in my head. I was kinda shocked when that came out in "Witchstock" with Leo knowing the whole family before the sisters were born. Yikes!!
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Post by imdb lives on on Feb 20, 2017 22:05:10 GMT -5
Could be. I think the Founders created the Elders and imbued them with power. It never says who they are but I think it would be netruel characters who don't get involved unless it's necessary like Death and the Angel of Destiny. After all death is the founder of who does and the Angel of Destiny founds all of our life paths.
Another idea is they could be the tribunal who reside over the fates of good and evil.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Feb 20, 2017 23:01:57 GMT -5
Could be. I think the Founders created the Elders and imbued them with power. It never says who they are but I think it would be netruel characters who don't get involved unless it's necessary like Death and the Angel of Destiny. After all death is the founder of who does and the Angel of Destiny founds all of our life paths. Another idea is they could be the tribunal who reside over the fates of good and evil. That's an interesting idea. What if the Angels were two (or three or four since depending on what you count there were more Angels of Destiny than just the one) of the Founders? |
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Post by imdb lives on on Feb 20, 2017 23:09:10 GMT -5
Yes, there are many elders, whitelighters, demons and warlocks. Their could be an unlimited number of founders. The Angel of Life who grants it to those at birth could be one and the Angel of choice who guard's free will. So many possibilities.
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Post by Miranda Turner on Feb 20, 2017 23:17:28 GMT -5
Yes, there are many elders, whitelighters, demons and warlocks. Their could be an unlimited number of founders. The Angel of Life who grants it to those at birth could be one and the Angel of choice who guard's free will. So many possibilities. I like these ideas.  |
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Feb 20, 2017 23:21:21 GMT -5
Makes me think of Charmed: Reset Reality. At least I believe that is the one that has an Angel of Life and an Angel of Choice. I can't recall for sure.
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Post by imdb lives on on Feb 20, 2017 23:32:31 GMT -5
That is actually where I got it and it always made sense to me. Founder sounds like those who made up the building blocks and they created the natural world laws.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Feb 21, 2017 0:42:08 GMT -5
Ah, then I am remembering correctly. And I agree. It makes a crazy large amount of sense. No wonder we never actually saw it on Charmed. I love that show, but logic was having trouble by the time we first saw the Angel of Death.
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Post by Chrisaholic on Feb 23, 2017 9:23:01 GMT -5
In my latest story, I also gave the Elders' bosses and used some Biblian names for them. I thought it'd make sense here. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 23, 2021 15:57:35 GMT -5
The first season of a lot of shows has different things a lot of time since they arent settled into their mythology at the start. But The Founders were just another name for the Elders. And witches maybe werent suppose to know about their whitelighters by the time the halliwells got their powers because they didnt want whitelighters/witches to form any kind of bond with one another like with what happened in the past (they couldve explained it better but oh well) I agree with this, honestly. An excellent point regarding witches not knowing who whitelighters are due to past experiences such as what Piper & Leo represented and such. |
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Post by BewitchingBeauties87 on Aug 27, 2021 14:45:20 GMT -5
Probably a minor continuity error to most, but i noticed in the pilot Prue mentions that her Father has been "dead to her" since the day he left their Mother. However, in later seasons it is shown that she cheated on him with Sam and the Dad left (after Mom was dead) because of disagreements with Grams over how to raise them?? Couldn't they hire some intern to watch previous episodes and create a show bible where they can reference previous characters and events? it would reduce some of the confusion.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 28, 2021 0:06:24 GMT -5
Probably a minor continuity error to most, but i noticed in the pilot Prue mentions that her Father has been "dead to her" since the day he left their Mother. However, in later seasons it is shown that she cheated on him with Sam and the Dad left (after Mom was dead) because of disagreements with Grams over how to raise them?? Couldn't they hire some intern to watch previous episodes and create a show bible where they can reference previous characters and events? it would reduce some of the confusion. IMO, I think what Prue meant by that was "abandoning" his daughters, as well. It's a continuous point, and why Prue is really mad at him. |
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Post by rebooted on Feb 22, 2022 5:35:07 GMT -5
I think my issue with Season 1 is also around whitelighters. I don't understand why Leo can't just be a witch or a 'witch doctor' or something that is just as mortal as they are with healing powers?
And also the 'you were never meant to know' in Secrets in Guys kills that episode for me.
Leo demonstrating more powers than all three of them combined and 'healing' the book lead to so much inconsistencies.
Prue telling Andy if she had kids, if they were girls - they would be witches. And Piper also stating that too.
Some episodes moving too slow. And some cheesy sisterly scenes.
Its also hard to imagine Phoebe once being a bad-ass in Season 1, since shes so warm with her sisters and others she meets.
Overall my rewatch has become a bit of a snore with Season 1!
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Post by Aaeiyn on Feb 22, 2022 18:27:47 GMT -5
I think my issue with Season 1 is also around whitelighters. I don't understand why Leo can't just be a witch or a 'witch doctor' or something that is just as mortal as they are with healing powers? And also the 'you were never meant to know' in Secrets in Guys kills that episode for me. Leo demonstrating more powers than all three of them combined and 'healing' the book lead to so much inconsistencies. I have a theory about Whitelighters especially since it was Brad Kern's idea. And, we know how much Brad Kern liked chasing parked cars. And, IK how some (not all) folks here like (TBBA) Touched By An Angel. And, TBAA was VERY popular around the start of Charmed's start, so I have no doubt in my mind that Kern wanted to rip off...I mean "pay homage" to TBAA before trying to rip off...I mean "pay homage" to Buffy (S3-S4), Fairy Tales/Superheroes/Greek Mythology/Harry Potter (S5-S6), Pirates of the Caribbean/Noirs/Desperate Housewives (S7-S8). So, Whitelighters especially in S1E14 "Secrets & Guys" reminded me of the angels in TBAA, and I think Kern was trying to rip off...I mean "pay homage" to TBAA before moving onto the next thing(s) to rip off...I mean "pay homage" to xD |
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Post by rebooted on Feb 23, 2022 5:25:35 GMT -5
I think my issue with Season 1 is also around whitelighters. I don't understand why Leo can't just be a witch or a 'witch doctor' or something that is just as mortal as they are with healing powers? And also the 'you were never meant to know' in Secrets in Guys kills that episode for me. Leo demonstrating more powers than all three of them combined and 'healing' the book lead to so much inconsistencies. I have a theory about Whitelighters especially since it was Brad Kern's idea. And, we know how much Brad Kern liked chasing parked cars. And, IK how some (not all) folks here like (TBBA) Touched By An Angel. And, TBAA was VERY popular around the start of Charmed's start, so I have no doubt in my mind that Kern wanted to rip off...I mean "pay homage" to TBAA before trying to rip off...I mean "pay homage" to Buffy (S3-S4), Fairy Tales/Superheroes/Greek Mythology/Harry Potter (S5-S6), Pirates of the Caribbean/Noirs/Desperate Housewives (S7-S8). So, Whitelighters especially in S1E14 "Secrets & Guys" reminded me of the angels in TBAA, and I think Kern was trying to rip off...I mean "pay homage" to TBAA before moving onto the next thing(s) to rip off...I mean "pay homage" to xD That actually makes sense. Prue references TBAA in The Wedding From Hell. That episode feels like a drawing board episode on how the format of episodes would go. I am glad it didn't. It does make me wonder what Constance's actual plan was and if she compromised on whitelighters coming in |
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Post by ComputerDavid on Apr 22, 2022 3:58:39 GMT -5
I believe the WB didn't like him. But then again, who did the WB like? When Charmed first aired and he came on the scene, (ep 7), I only remembered him from a movie he did 6 years prior... Sleepwalkers, where he played an evil cat creature... kind of ugly. So, I had a hard time with him being a good guy. Maybe the powers that be had some feedback/insight similar to my thoughts? |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Apr 22, 2022 4:46:23 GMT -5
I think I would have preferred the term "Founders" a lot more.
I would love if the "Founders" were High Priests and Priestess' of Magic who gained the respect of the Goddess of Witchcraft herself, Hecate. I hated the episode The Wedding From Hell due to the demonisation of Hecate, it would have been amazing for a female-lead show about witches to not vilify the Goddess of Witches.
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