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Post by Emmett on Apr 22, 2022 22:21:04 GMT -5
I think I would have preferred the term "Founders" a lot more. I would love if the "Founders" were High Priests and Priestess' of Magic who gained the respect of the Goddess of Witchcraft herself, Hecate. I hated the episode The Wedding From Hell due to the demonisation of Hecate, it would have been amazing for a female-lead show about witches to not vilify the Goddess of Witches. Don't remind me. What an insult to use Hecate as a demoness rather than the Goddess of Magic. I'd have no issue with TWFH, if the name Hecate was never used and Jade was just a warlock or demoness. But coming from Spelling and Kern, I'm not surprised they made all the Elders men, with the exception of Sandra. It made more sense for a female-lead show and one about witches that the Founders were somehow tied to Hecate or connected to her. But, I wouldn't want the Goddess of Witches to actually appear in the flesh herself. |
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Post by Sandra on Apr 22, 2022 22:40:54 GMT -5
I think I would have preferred the term "Founders" a lot more. I would love if the "Founders" were High Priests and Priestess' of Magic who gained the respect of the Goddess of Witchcraft herself, Hecate. I hated the episode The Wedding From Hell due to the demonisation of Hecate, it would have been amazing for a female-lead show about witches to not vilify the Goddess of Witches. I think I would have preferred the term "Founders" a lot more. I would love if the "Founders" were High Priests and Priestess' of Magic who gained the respect of the Goddess of Witchcraft herself, Hecate. I hated the episode The Wedding From Hell due to the demonisation of Hecate, it would have been amazing for a female-lead show about witches to not vilify the Goddess of Witches. Don't remind me. What an insult to use Hecate as a demoness rather than the Goddess of Magic. I'd have no issue with TWFH, if the name Hecate was never used and Jade was just a warlock or demoness. But coming from Spelling and Kern, I'm not surprised they made all the Elders men, with the exception of Sandra. It made more sense for a female-lead show and one about witches that the Founders were somehow tied to Hecate or connected to her. But, I'd even want the Goddess of Witches to actually appear herself in the flesh.
Hecate was so disrespected. She's the Goddess of Magic and Witchcraft NOT the Queen of the Underworld.
It's interesting that when I first saw Season 1. I really thought the Founders were witches or witches who passed on. Boy was I wrong when we finally learned more about them. One theory I had during Season 1, was Melinda Warren was secretly the Founder and it was revealed the Founders and council was formed AFTER the Salem Witch Trials. That even Grams became a member once she passed. But, it couldn't be made up of witches who are actually alive. Obviously that theory went out the door once we got to Season 3 and 4.
Another thing. I love the lore of Warlocks. Again, I was led to believe they were the highest on the hierarchy and demons were one level lower. Since Rex was a warlock. I thought the "he" he mentioned was an upper level warlock. We didn't hear the name of the Source until Season 2.
If I had it my way. Warlocks would be at the top. And demons never major antagonists. Just been saved for demon of the week episodes. If we had to have "the Source" I'd make him an upper level warlock not the Devil or an Upper Level Demon.
Also, I'd have Matthew Tate being the beginning of the line of Warlocks that has the prophecy of the Evil Charmed Ones, the way Melinda was with the Charmed Ones.
I wished the show was more focused on the witches and warlocks lore. The Charmed Ones facing more threats going back to the Salem Witch Trials and other warlocks throughout the ages. Like descendants of witches hunters coming into contact with witches in modern times. Also much more exploring the community of witches.
That's why the episode When Bad Warlocks Go Good was such a wasted idea for just a standalone. That episode screams a full season arc. The Evil Charmed Ones being the Charmed Ones ultimate big bad would have been better than Billie and Christy. I like the idea that the Warrens have been battling generations of whatever family line the Evil Charmed Ones came from for centuries. All leading to the great final battle between good vs evil with witches and warlocks.
The Charmed Ones battling the Evil Charmed Ones makes more sense than battling the Source or battling the Devil. Make it connect to the mythology of witches and warlocks.
I'm not bashing demons. I don't hate them. I just wished they were never the major big bads. Like Season 1 and Season 2. They really had a great balance episode to episode from warlocks, demons, non-warlock or demonic villains and other creatures like the Wendigo, Ghosts or Succubus.
Sometimes I feel Season 1 and Season 2 is so vastly different compared to Season 3-8.
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Apr 23, 2022 9:22:33 GMT -5
I think I would have preferred the term "Founders" a lot more. I would love if the "Founders" were High Priests and Priestess' of Magic who gained the respect of the Goddess of Witchcraft herself, Hecate. I hated the episode The Wedding From Hell due to the demonisation of Hecate, it would have been amazing for a female-lead show about witches to not vilify the Goddess of Witches. Don't remind me. What an insult to use Hecate as a demoness rather than the Goddess of Magic. I'd have no issue with TWFH, if the name Hecate was never used and Jade was just a warlock or demoness. But coming from Spelling and Kern, I'm not surprised they made all the Elders men, with the exception of Sandra. It made more sense for a female-lead show and one about witches that the Founders were somehow tied to Hecate or connected to her. But, I wouldn't want the Goddess of Witches to actually appear in the flesh herself. I mean they could have used Persephone, if they had to use any of the original Goddess' names. Jade can just be named Jade. I would believe that we could have had Ascended Priestess' of Hecate being the Founders, I would have loved to see Hecate in the flesh too. It disgusts me that a female-lead show had male show-runners. |
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Post by zoeysmom on May 16, 2022 20:31:55 GMT -5
The problem with that is that starting with Season 3 it seemed like *every* witch knew about her whitelighter because her whitelighter would heal her, something that obviously Leo would not have been allowed to do with the Charmed Ones had they not found out about him. But he was supposed to be their guide, not their magical doctor/taxi cab. Oh, did *that* change! I've often wondered if it's just LEO who was told by the Elders that the Charmed Ones weren't supposed to find out about him due to the fact that he and Piper were lovers during their previous life and after what had happened to Patty and Sam, they didn't want history repeating itself. As for Founders and Elders, Kern obviously forgot all about them, as it should've been the Founders who battled the Titans, not the Elders. Although again - we just have Leo's word, and just what the Elders told him... I think that makes the most sense. |
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Post by Emmett on May 16, 2022 22:17:55 GMT -5
Don't remind me. What an insult to use Hecate as a demoness rather than the Goddess of Magic. I'd have no issue with TWFH, if the name Hecate was never used and Jade was just a warlock or demoness. But coming from Spelling and Kern, I'm not surprised they made all the Elders men, with the exception of Sandra. It made more sense for a female-lead show and one about witches that the Founders were somehow tied to Hecate or connected to her. But, I wouldn't want the Goddess of Witches to actually appear in the flesh herself. I mean they could have used Persephone, if they had to use any of the original Goddess' names. Jade can just be named Jade. I would believe that we could have had Ascended Priestess' of Hecate being the Founders, I would have loved to see Hecate in the flesh too. It disgusts me that a female-lead show had male show-runners. That would have fit the show better. It's truly disgusting, and not surprising with the show run by Kern and Spelling what it became. I always wonder how differently it would be if it was run by a woman. What's interesting is Sabrina the Teenage Witch's creator was Nell Scovell who was showrunner for a few seasons. I know we discovered through Nell's book that talk of her becoming showrunner was discussed in S4. But, I do wonder how differently Charmed would have been, if from the very start if they had a female showrunner to help Connie out. But, I don't think it matters, you still have Spelling. So the best shot Charmed had was it being a non-Spelling show with its production company. |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on May 17, 2022 1:28:02 GMT -5
I mean they could have used Persephone, if they had to use any of the original Goddess' names. Jade can just be named Jade. I would believe that we could have had Ascended Priestess' of Hecate being the Founders, I would have loved to see Hecate in the flesh too. It disgusts me that a female-lead show had male show-runners. That would have fit the show better. It's truly disgusting, and not surprising with the show run by Kern and Spelling what it became. I always wonder how differently it would be if it was run by a woman. What's interesting is Sabrina the Teenage Witch's creator was Nell Scovell who was showrunner for a few seasons. I know we discovered through Nell's book that talk of her becoming showrunner was discussed in S4. But, I do wonder how differently Charmed would have been, if from the very start if they had a female showrunner to help Connie out. But, I don't think it matters, you still have Spelling. So the best shot Charmed had was it being a non-Spelling show with its production company. Thank you, it is definitely a thought I have had on several occasions about Charmed, how different the show could have been if they actually cared about the series? I would believe that the Founders would have Messengers instead of White-lighters who would help their practitioners by giving them messages from the Founders and help guide them into this new phase of life, then after they are deemed ready, the messengers will move on to help the next practitioner. Or Hecate could have been the Founder, Divine Messengers replace the Elders role (Divine Messengers are the Ascended Priestess' of Hecate) then the Messengers replace whitelighters. |
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