Charmed Children

[Astral Chaos]

Forever Charmed left us with nine children (ten if you include Phoetus, but most don't). Many hated disliked that setup -- I know I did. Now my question is, if you could design your own ideal version of a Next Generation, what would it be like?

Would Prue have had children? Would Piper? What about Phoebe and Paige? Who are the fathers? What powers would they have? and if your feeling extra creative, what would they be named?

Will be interesting to see what people come up with.

[Esmeralda]

Of all the various fanfiction endings that I've seen as far as next generation, there are two setups that I like the best - Scifi's and my own.

Keep in mind that Scifi wrote hers between S6 and S7, so it ignored everything in S7 and S8. At the end, Scifi's had:

Piper & Leo - Wyatt [24] and Chris [23] (married to Bianca, with granddaughter Piper Leonora, known as Nora)
Phoebe & Jonathan (a witch who could actually fly - personality-wise, a lot like Drake) - Kit [18] (can levitate) and Cassandra (known as Cassie) [16] (has premonitions)
Paige & David (a mortal - personality-wise, a lot like Henry) - Helen [10] (witchlighter, just like Paige)

(Because no one has three daughters, there are no new Charmed Ones)

My own - what I would like to see in a Charmed movie:

Piper & Leo - Wyatt (powers bound because with them he's too powerful and Piper & Leo know that his powers would go to his head) and Chris (witchlighter)
Phoebe - none (she's been divorced seven times because no one has ever given her a daughter - like Piper, she's been injured internally too many times and can't have kids and unlike Piper, she hasn't received whitelighter seed which healed her internally)
Paige & Henry - Samantha (known as Sam - witchlighter)

(Since no one has three kids, there are no new Charmed Ones)

Of course, if I'd had my way, Wyatt and Chris would both not exist, instead Piper and Leo would just have Prudence Melinda, who would *NOT* be Twice-Blessed and would only have witch powers, like Melinda did in "Morality Bites". But if her brothers exist, I wouldn't want her (or their sister Melinda) to exist.

As for Prue, I guess I only like the idea of her having kids in an alternate world, not in ours when she dies.

[Astral Echo]

In an alternate world, where Prue survives, I would have Prue have one daughter, Piper a daughter and son and Phoebe, three daughters. Regardless of whether Paige is around, she wouldn't have any children.

In the real world, as of S8 but before the future crap, I'd have Wyatt and Chris, Prudence Cassandra (Phoebe/Coop), Glenda and Helen (Paige/Henry).

So in either story, there would be no more than five or six children.

[Astral Alex]

This is my ultimate fan-fiction one if I could redesign the plots of all the seasons.

Prue: Early in Season 2 she would discover that she was pregnant with Andy's child, it would then obviously be a major storyline in to what I thought was a rather boring season. She would have a daughter in the Season 2 finale whom she would name Patty. I think this would steer Season 3 a bit more, and the storylines could be the same with the Cole/Phoebe saga but we could have Prue being complacent with Patty's safety, forcing her to realise her daughter's safety is the most important thing.

But then, I would still have Prue die in the Season 3 finale - which would but Patty's care into that of Piper, Leo and Phoebe - giving Piper and Leo the 'child' they were attempting to try for.

Season Four would be mostly the same, Paige would be introduced and initially Piper would refuse to let her bond with Patty but I had an idea where when Paige finally holds Patty - it helps Patty come into her powers.

Then I would have Phoebe have the baby that she becomes pregnant with in Season 4, but after the Source's essence is destroyed the baby would just be half-witch half-demon and it would be a daughter; Pippa.

As Patty grows up Prue would never be forgotten and she would want to know about her mother and her father, as well as testing out her powers etc.

Eventually I would have Piper and Leo have Wyatt (but no twice-blessed, ultimate power stuff) and Chris in Season 6 and Season 7 (with the Chris storyline taking place in Season 7 instead of 6) with Henry being introduced halfway through Season 7 and him and Paige marrying in Season 8 and having children in the epilogue, same with Phoebe. So it would be like this:

Prue & Andy - Patty Jr. Halliwell (born 2000)

Piper & Leo - Wyatt Halliwell (born 2004)
Chris Halliwell (born 2005)

Phoebe & Cole - Pippa Halliwell (born 2003)
Phoebe & Coop - Preston Halliwell (born 2007)
- 'Ladybug' Halliwell (born 2011)

Paige & Henry - Samantha Mitchell (born 2009)
- Lilah Mitchell (born 2009)
- Henry Jr. Mitchell (born 2011)

So I have the same amount, just a little shaken up.

[Esmeralda]

I like your idea, except for this:

I think this would steer Season 3 a bit more, and the storylines could be the same with the Cole/Phoebe saga but we could have Prue being complacent with Patty's safety, forcing her to realise her daughter's safety is the most important thing.

That would make her as crappy of a leader of the Charmed Ones as Piper was when she put herself and her family in front of innocents. We'd just get S5-type Charmed Ones much earlier.

Also, if you're going to let Wyatt not be Twice-Blessed or anything, why don't you let Piper have her daughter and let Wyatt instead be Prudence Melinda (nicknamed Prudie - in the same way, I'd spell Prue's daughter's name Patti or even call her Trish to keep her separate from Prue's mother). That would make Chris as a Halliwell even more surprising, since no one - especially the Charmed Ones - would be expecting a male whitelighter from the future to be a Halliwell.

Also, if the kids are going to have powers and continue the destiny, I think Paige and Henry would want their kids to have the name that demons fear - Halliwell. If Piper's kids are Halliwells rather than Wyatts, as Wyatt and Chris should've been, so should Paige and Henry's, despite Paige's last name.

Also, as long as you're not doing what the Forever Charmed did, I *do* hope you reconsider Henry Jr.'s' name (and if you used that, he'd be Henry Mitchell Jr, not Henry Jr Mitchell, just like Trish would be Patricia Halliwell, Jr., although most people don't add Jr. to female names) I just can't see either Paige or Henry agreeing to name him Henry Jr. and being forced to be nicknamed Junior! Instead, do what Piper and Leo did with Wyatt - keep their last names as his names - Mitchell Matthew Halliwell.

Also, I can't see Phoebe going that nuts on searching for her daughter or even nicknaming her Ladybug if she already has Pippa. So I think you should skip the nickname or leave Pippa out of it, or, better, make Pippa a boy - give Cole his son. It would still make Chris a surprise, since they'd think that young Colby is a boy due to Cole being a demon.

Although I love the idea of that child not being evil but simply half-witch/half-demon, and like Trish, she'd be a reminder of the one who is gone. Speaking of, I *do* hope that you'd plan on having Cole stay vanquished in S4 and not come back in S5! S7, well, okay, but let's not have crazy Cole or I can't see Phoebe being willing to keep her child or name her son after his father.

So my switch of yours would be:

Prue & Andy
-Patricia "Trish" Halliwell (born 2000)

Piper & Leo
-Prudence "Prudie" Halliwell (born 2004)
-Christopher "Chris" Halliwell (born 2005)

Phoebe & Cole
-Coleridge "Colby" Halliwell (born 2003)
Phoebe & Coop
-Preston Halliwell (born 2007)
-Pippa "Ladybug" Halliwell (born 2011)

Paige & Henry
-Samantha "Sammi" Halliwell (born 2009)
-Lilah Halliwell (born 2009)
-Mitchell Halliwell (born 2011)

[Astral Echo]

In CRR, we had Drea who was the daughter of Prue and Matt

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who was later revealed to be Andy, who sneaked back to earth on Hallows Eve to stop certain events from transpiring.

who ended up being the future Big Bad as in our [/color]universe as Wyatt never existed! However, because of who Matt was, Drea never should of existed either, she was an unexplainable anomaly that even Destiny couldn't explain due to the acts of Matt and co.

Piper and Leo had twins, Melinda and Chris, twice blessed but not because they were super powerful (like Wyatt) but because their combined powers as twins did make them more powerful your average witch in the same way the Charmed Ones are enhanced by the Power of Three.

As we STILL have written S7 I can't reveal what was in store for Phoebe and Paige but Prue and Piper only had the above as they felt neither were likely to have more as Prue was blessed with a child who never should of been and Piper was blessed because after

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her miscarriage

, she never thought she'd ever be a mother.

[Esmeralda]

I decided to change mine so it's closer to how Astral Alex did his:

Scifi's version:

Piper Halliwell & Leo Wyatt
-Wyatt Halliwell (born in 2003)
-Christopher "Chris" Halliwell (born in 2004) & Bianca Perry Halliwell (born in 1999)
--Piper Leonora "Nora" Halliwell (born in 2027 )

Phoebe Halliwell Laurier & Jonathan Laurier
Kit Laurier (born in 2009)
Cassandra "Cassie" Laurier (born in 2011)

Paige Matthews-Cabot & David Cabot
Helen Cabot (born in 2017)

My own - what I would like to see in a Charmed movie after we find out that the ending of S7 and all of S8 is just Piper's fantasy as she's in a coma after the explosion at the end of S7.

Prue & Andy
- None

Piper & Leo
- Wyatt (born in 2003)
- Chris (born in 2004)

Phoebe & Cole
- Phoetus (dead)

Phoebe & Coop
- None

Paige & Henry
- Samantha (born in 2014)

Or the way I'd prefer it:

Prue & Andy
- None

Piper & Leo
- Prudence (born in 2003)

Phoebe & Cole
- Phoetus (dead)

Phoebe & Coop
- None

Paige & Henry
- Samantha (born in 2014)

That's more than enough

[Esmeralda]

Dec 27, 2011 19:44:43 GMT -5 Astral Echo said:

In CRR, we had Drea who was the daughter of Prue and Matt

SPOILER: Click to show

who was later revealed to be Andy, who sneaked back to earth on Hallows Eve to stop certain events from transpiring.

who ended up being the future Big Bad as in our

[/color]universe as Wyatt never existed! However, because of who Matt was, Drea never should of existed either, she was an unexplainable anomaly that even Destiny couldn't explain due to the acts of Matt and co.

Piper and Leo had twins, Melinda and Chris, twice blessed but not because they were super powerful (like Wyatt) but because their combined powers as twins did make them more powerful your average witch in the same way the Charmed Ones are enhanced by the Power of Three.

As we STILL have written S7 I can't reveal what was in store for Phoebe and Paige but Prue and Piper only had the above as they felt neither were likely to have more as Prue was blessed with a child who never should of been and Piper was blessed because after

SPOILER: Click to show

her miscarriage

, she never thought she'd ever be a mother.[/quote]

I liked your setup for CRR, but seeing how it worked out, I would've prefered neither Drea or Chris (or Bianca) as part of it. Just like in Charmed, the kids are taking over and I don't like it. Your story would've been much better leaving them out, although I should probably wait and see how S7 works out before I say that for sure. I just know the longer Melinda and Chris and Bianca stay in the past and continually change things the less I like it.

ETA: As long as you're doing your own virtual series, I had to do the set-up for my favorite virtual series, Lexi's "PROGENY: Angels & Demons". If we had to be stuck with 9 kids, this was the proper way to do it:

As of 2024:

LEO & PIPER HALLIWELL:

WYATT MATTHEW (Wy) - born February 3, 2003 - doctor at San Francisco Memorial Hospital (Twice-Blessed)
CHRISTOPHER VICTOR (Chris) - born October 28, 2004 - manager of Piper's restaurant, P4 (Half-Elder)
PRUDENCE MELINDA (Pru) - born April 5, 2009 - senior at Miami-Dade College, studying journalism (witch with power to see the future)

COOP & PHOEBE HART:

PATRICIA GRACE (Patti) - born January 17, 2009 - senior at Miami-Dade College, studying physics (witch with ability to freeze time)
PATIENCE BRIANNA (Pay) - born February 14, 2011 - studying psychology at Boston College (witch with cupid powers and the power to see the future)
POPPY CHARLOTTE (Pops) - born September 17, 2013 - senior at Baker High (witch with power to move things with her mind)

HENRY & PAIGE MITCHELL:

HENRY ROBERT, JR. (Hen) -born June 13, 2011 - senior at UCLA, studying socialogy (witchlighter)
HOLLY PENELOPE (Hols) - born December 24, 2012 - freshman at Miami-Dade College - major undecided (witch with the power to move things with her mind)
HALEY JANET (Hales) - born December 25, 2012 - apprentice witchlighter - (Has whitelighter powers only)

Dividing them up like that - Wyatt, Chris, Pops and Hales in San Francisco; Patti, Pru and Hols in Miami; Pay in Boston; and Hen in LA helps make the whole thing a lot more manageable.

[Astral Alex]

I'm glad everybody is including the story element, it's interesting reading everybody's ideas.

Actually Es, you're right - I wouldn't like Prue to become a bad leader, and I think that she would often put her daughter in danger, but she would be an excellent leader - she would just struggle to keep the balance between raising Trish (I like that shortening too.)

Here is my revised story:

Season 1 would be the same, although I would make Andy and Prue sleep together in the last episode, rekindling their love and also conceiving Trish. Season 2 would obviously centre more around Prue's pregnancy, but also her determination to not let it stop her career (I could imagine some lovely sisterly moments after Prue becomes overworked and maybe collapses due to the stress of Bucklands, Demons, grief over Andy and her pregnancy).

Season 3 could begin much the same way, Piper has been away for a month, leaving Prue and Phoebe on edge - especially without Piper's help with Trish (as her maternal side is evidently needed) and Phoebe is feeling like Prue keeps palming Trish off on her in order to stop the Triad. Maybe with Prue having an epiphany halfway through the season (around Piper's wedding) that Trish is special, and the only thing of Andy she has left. I'd also love for some of Andy's family to visit Trish, and maybe even realise that she is a witch. Then Prue would die in All Hell Breaks Loose and in Charmed Again, we see Piper attempting to use Trish as a means to bring Prue back - also with Piper and Phoebe likening themselves with Trish; how they were raised by their grandmother, and how Trish will be raised by her aunts.

Paige would be introduced in much the same way, but on meeting Piper and Phoebe, she sees that Piper refuses to let her touch or have contact with Trish in any way. But around 4x10 when we finally see Piper trust Paige (letting her move in a bit later than in the real Season 4) Paige finally holds Trish, and Trish comes into her power of telekinesis upon Paige's touch. Towards the end of Season 4, Leo and Piper try for children as normal but it fails just as Phoebe realises she is pregnant earlier than in the real season, around the fifteenth or sixteenth episode. The plot would happen much the same way with the Cole/Phoebe/Phoetus storyline, but they attempt to vanquish the SOURCE'S ESSENCE and not Cole - however, upon vanquishing the essence it kills Cole accidentally and rids the essence of Phoebe's baby. Instead of Piper discovering she is pregnant in the finale, it ends with the girls keeping their powers as they owe it to Prue and Cole - and in order to teach Trish and Phoebe's child. Phoebe is then frightened of going through motherhood alone like Prue did (they recall the struggle Prue had during Season 3) and is scared that something would happen, leaving Piper and Paige to raise their nieces/nephews alone.

Season 5 would then see Piper's early pregnancy-related storylines switch to Phoebe - but instead of being all half-witch/half-whitelighter oriented they would be half-witch/half-demon. And because there would be no 'Crazy Cole' as he died in 4x21 I would have Phoebe give birth to a boy in Centennial Charmed - but named Andrew Cole Turner (I hate the name Colby, sorry Es) as a namesake to both Andy and Cole. The baby would be a great controversy in the magical world, with some creatures fearing it and some praising it - but basically realising that it would be good or evil depending on it's own choices. Leo would also become an Elder in the S5 finale.

Season 6 would then see Piper and Leo split, much like the normal season and with the introduction of Chris - the only differences are that Trish (who would be about four now) was causing trouble magically, which introduces Magic School as a place where she begins to exercise and control her powers. Piper and Leo would then reconcile in about 6x14 and Piper would discover she was pregnant with Chris in the finale as Chris died (none of this waiting till his birthday rubbish).

Season 7 would then see Piper struggling to cope with Trish and doubt how she would be with her own child whilst Paige would meet Henry (who would take Kyle's storyline - just without him dying, as I liked Kyle). Phoebe would attempt to start dating again, but found that now Andrew's powers (fire manipulation, telepathy and shimmering) were coming into effect she found that it was hard - but eventually starts a relationship with Jason (who appears two seasons later than the original) - however this only lasts half a season as he is dismissive of Phoebe's son and later rejects her for being a witch and then she begins a relationship with Drake - who stays for the remainder of the season. Piper would give birth in the 150th episode to Chris who she and Leo would dote on, but Trish would get jealous of. Magically, the season would be pretty much the same - Leo would still become an avatar and Piper would want to change the world for the sake of unborn Chris and Zankou would still trouble them - but in the finale I would have them fake their deaths to the Underworld, but Darryl then securing that the public thought they were members of the CIA (like the Agent Keys storyline of S8).

Season 8. I would still include Billie and Christy but have them try to SAVE them, not kill them - back to their 'saving innocents' roots. Phoebe would still be in a relationship with Drake, who she would marry (instead of god awful Dex) in the third episode, for him to die after being sent by Cole etc. Paige would then marry Henry in 8x15 (after dating for one and half seasons) and Coop would be introduced a little earlier, giving us time to warm to his character more.

The finale would consist of Billie and Christy attempting to recreate the power of the Charmed Ones using Trish, Andrew and Chris but failing - therefore using the Hollow. It pans out as normal, apart from they go back and save Christy too.

The epilogue then would show Piper and Leo going on to have Melinda (I'd prefer to call her Melinda Prudence Halliwell) and effectively treating Trish like the oldest child. Phoebe having another son; Preston and a daughter: Pippa - with Coop and Paige and Henry having Samantha Halliwell-Mitchell, Lilah Halliwell-Mitchell and then having Kyle Mitchell-Halliwell (nothing to do with Kyle, he doesn't appear in my alternate reality).

So my revised list is:

Prue & Andy: Patricia 'Trish' Halliwell (born 18 May2000)
Powers: Telekinesis
Phoebe & Cole: Andrew Cole Turner (born 19 January 2003)
Powers: Fire Manipulation, Telepathy, Shimmering
Phoebe & Coop: Preston Victor Halliwell (born 14 February 2008 - Valentine's Day )
Powers: Premonitions, Beaming, Astral Projection
Pippa Penelope Halliwell (born 18 June 2010)
Powers: Levitation, Empathy

Piper & Leo: Christopher Perry 'Chris' Halliwell (born 10 April 2005)
Powers: Freeze Time, Telekinetic Orbing, Orbing
Melinda Prudence Halliwell (born 8 March 2007)
Powers: Molecular Combustion, Invisibility

Paige & Henry: Samantha 'Sam' Halliwell-Mitchell (born 31 October 2008)
Powers: Mind Link with Lilah, Telekinetic Orbing, Orbing
Lilah Halliwell-Mitchell (born 31 October 2008)
Powers: Mind Link with Sam, Telekinetic Orbing, Orbing
Kyle Halliwell-Mitchell (born 25 December 2011)
Powers: Healing, Sensing, Telekinesis

Hope you all didn't get lost reading that!

[Chrisaholic]

Whoa, information overload but in a good way.

To be honest, I haven't thought that far yet as I try to avoid children in my stories, except the ones existing, meaning mainly Wyatt and Chris. True, their storylines and all are changeable but that has never crossed my mind before. ;D

[Astral Echo]

If I had personally taken on the show, moulding it like you had from the beginning Alex, I'd of been child light! I thought Wyatt and Chris caused way to much distraction in the series and Phoebe harbouring after a child was ridiculous.

Personally, I'd still let Piper have a child and I'd still have Phoebe loose a child but that would probably be it. Piper would have her DAUGHTER during the 150th episode. I'd probably still have Leo join the Elders at the end of Season 5, stay as an Elder until the end of S6 until he joins the Avatars (but joins them because he believes the new Elder Council are corrupt and sees the Avatars as his way of stopping them) before he is stripped of all power and made human allowing him and Piper to conceive a child in 6x22.

A mysterious woman (Nora, short for Leonora) would appear at the end of S6, perhaps even saving Leo from the Elders. During S7, she convinces the sisters that the only way to stop the Elders is to join forces with evil to bring them down. She introduces them to Zankou who she seems to know a lot about, where as he has never met her. In the 150th The Charmed Ones, Zankou, Nora, demons who agreed to fight, other good magical beings not manipulated by the evil Elders and the last remaining good Elders go to war against the evil Elders. During the battle, Piper goes to into labour, Nora takes Piper back to the Manor leaving Phoebe and Paige with Zankou and the others, to fight against the evil Elders. Piper and Nora are met by Leo who helps her deliver her baby. Paige and Phoebe arrive back just in time to meet their baby niece, Melinda. Piper then suggests her middle name should be Leonora after the woman that helped bring her into the world but Nora is now nowhere to be seen.

Shortly after the battle and Melinda's birth, Leo is asked by the remaining good Elders and whitelighter community to form a new council under his guidance. He agrees and his powers are returned. At the end of the 150th, with his new Elder powers he senses a disturbance in the magical order. His new ultra sensing powers take him to Nora in front of a open time portal. Confused, Leo asks what is going on. Nora then informs him that she was from the future, which is why she arrived just in time to save him, knew how to bring the Elders down, about Zankou etc...

He asks who she is. And she turns pulling up her hair, it reveals a birthmark which we saw moments earlier on baby Melinda. Nora is Melinda, from the future. Before passing through the portal, she warns Leo that Zankou must be taken care of.

Late Season Seven then sees Zankou go after the sisters as he did in the real series but in 7x22 he is banished (not vanquished, he's meant to be unvanquishable and Nora/Melinda still needs to face him again in the future).

[Esmeralda]

I would have definitely prefered your Charmed to both the real Charmed and C:RR.

[CharmedFaith]

To me, Prue probably never would have had children. Piper would have 2 and Phoebe would have 1. Or even if Prue did have children she still only would have 1 and either she or Phoebe would be the Grams of their generation, never really settling down.

[Esmeralda]

Dec 29, 2011 15:37:49 GMT -5 CharmedFaith said:

To me, Prue probably never would have had children. Piper would have 2 and Phoebe would have 1. Or even if Prue did have children she still only would have 1 and either she or Phoebe would be the Grams of their generation, never really settling down.

Had Prue lived, I can see her having children, but not until the demon truce in S8.

I can see Phoebe as the Grams of the next generation...only having one child...the Phoetus, who of course, is dead...and about 7 divorces as she keeps trying to have the daughter she can't have because she's too damaged internally.

If Prue lived, I would've preferred Piper just having one...Melinda...the one we saw in Morality Bites who is just a witch with no powers...she told Piper she wouldn't use her magic; she never said anything about not using her powers. I would like her to be like Astral Echo's Nora, just without powers. She would only do magic via spells and potions. Once you have the Charmed Ones, no need for their children to have powers, since the powers *culminated* (ended) with the Charmed Ones. Hence the main difference...Zankou *would* be vanquished by the Charmed Ones; Melinda would *not* have to battle them in her future.

Just Melinda and Prue's child would've been more than enough for me, especially if Prue's isn't born until after the show is over.

I like Astral Alex's storyline better than Astral Echo's, especially with Trish and with Preston (although I would prefer him being Pippa) and Melinda Prudence, but that's more than enough children right there (If Prue dies, I'd prefer just Trish and Pippa--as a leader, Piper is better off without children--at least until the demon truce--and I'd prefer the Paige we saw on Charmed never marrying or having kids but concentrating on being a whitelighter).

If there's any more, I'd want them to be much, much younger, born once the series is done and only shown in the finale.

[Esmeralda]

Thinking about this made me think of another scenario that I've shared elsewhere--it was actually based on a thread regarding what we would've liked to have seen on Charmed but didn't-- but I figured I'd throw them into the mix.

This is one that I truly believed happened after Kill Billie, Vol 2, rather than Forever Charmed, which I've always believed was Piper's fantasy while she was in a coma after the explosion.

Piper wakes up from her coma to find out that "Kill Billie Vol 2" and "Forever Charmed" was just a dream and now we get to find out what REALLY happened!

Prue appears as the sisters' new guide. Not their whitelighter...Prue would NEVER do what the Elders told her to do...but their guide, back to their role as protectors of the innocents, not just protectors of the Halliwells. She's just a ghost and never marries or has kids.

Thanks to Prue, the Charmed Ones SAVE Billie and Christy rather than trying to vanquish fellow witches and becoming murderers. Billie and Christy ask the Charmed Ones to bind their powers and then leave San Francisco and never come back again.

After they leave and after talking it over with Prue, Piper admits that Leo could only truly be Leo as a whitelighter and she begs the Elders to let him have his wings back. Then once they do, she admits that she herself won't be happy if she can't have a normal life, so she leaves him and he finds someone new who isn't magical at all, but who is actually happy to have an angel for a husband .

Piper binds her own powers so although she's still a witch, she's no longer Charmed. She also binds Wyatt's and Chris' powers before leaving them with Victor while she goes take care of P3 and her new 4 Star restaurant. She becomes the new Rachel Raye, never remarries or has another kid and is very happy.

So are Wyatt and Chris. Wyatt's glad that he doesn't have to have all the responsibilities of being the Twice-Blessed Child and Chris loves having his brother without having to worry about him becoming evil, and not having to worry about ever ending up falling in love with an assassin demon (he's heard stories...). They're happy to be living with their grandpa, going to a regular school, having normal lives and getting to watch their mom on TV and bask in her reflected glory. They love it best when she comes home to visit on birthdays and holidays. So does Leo and his new wife and his new family--two girls who are don't have any powers (Leo and his wife agreed that it was best to bind their powers at birth) and are like little sisters to Wyatt and Chris. Afraid of what might happen if they regain their powers, they never ask for them to be returned and live happy normal lives.

Thanks to Coop--who realizes that Phoebe only wants him in order to have Ladybug--Phoebe finds her true love...a plain, ordinary man who works as a handyman and who can't give her children but who truly loves her and whose love turns her back into the wonderful Phoebs we saw during the first couple of seasons rather than PhoeME/Freebie. They adopt a bunch of non-magical kids instead, including a baby she nicknames Ladybug. She continues on as "Ask Phoebe".

Like Piper, Prue talks Phoebe into giving up her powers...after all, she hasn't used any of them for anything except herself in years anyway. Like Piper, she's still a witch but is no longer Charmed.

After talking it over with Prue, Paige tells the Elders that she won't be a whitelighter until after she's dead...her true destiny while she is alive is to be a witch, the only remaining Charmed One. The Elders agree.

Paige and Prue continue to look for and protect the innocent together without needing the other two, because the Elders finally admit that Paige is the reincarnation of Prudence Warren, Melinda Warren's daughter, and give her back her other two powers. They didn't before, since the Charmed Ones already had the three powers, but they agree that it's necessary now. So now Paige has premonitions of innocents needing help and when in trouble can freeze time so she and Prue can discuss how to help them. With that and her witchlighter powers and the guidance of Prue, she doesn't need anything or anyone else.

Paige and Henry never have kids. Having been an assistant social worker and seen what happened with Wyatt and Chris, she's decided that she wouldn't put her kids in the situation where they could be harmed by evil. Henry agrees. He has a vasectomy and she has a hysterectomy.

With Paige unable to have kids, with Phoebe unable to have kids and with Wyatt and Chris never wanting to have their powers unbound, the Warren legacy ends with the Charmed Ones as it should...the Warrens are still witches, but are now Forever UNCharmed!

Personally I think all of *MY* Charmed Ones would be a lot happier than the ones in S8 (not counting the barfy, unrealistic ending). How 'bout you guys?

So in this one, there's only the two who most fans wanted...Wyatt and Chris...but they never get the chance to become The Charmed Sons, because they never want to be.

[Astral Alex]

Ooh this thread really has interested me, some great ideas coming through here! But then I could throw a spanner in the works and come back to one of my favourite debates and say what would have happened if Andy had lived? Would him and Prue have married and had children before her death in Season 3 or would she have died at all?

[Esmeralda]

I think she still would've died and never would've had any kids. Kids weren't necessary until the show jumped the shark, which it didn't do while Connie Burge was in charge.

I also don't think that Andy would've been able to accept Prue as a witch...he made that very clear. So although she would be his lover, she'd never be his wife.

Now if him still living means that that conversation would've changed so that he *could* accept her as a witch, then I can see them being the ones who are married in S3 rather than Leo and Piper.

But I still see her dying at the end of S3 and I see her taking measures so that she doesn't become pregnant as long as they're fighting the Source.

[Astral Chaos]

Hmmm, let's see . . . I wouldn't there to be more than four or five kids in total (including any children of Prue). I hated the Forever Charmed ending; it was cheap and kind of obvious. I'd also stick to the all-girls thing the early seasons ran with -- although, I like the idea of there being one boy in there with only basic witch magic.

Anywho, now I'll onto the kids in my imaginary universe.

Piper
I'd kill Leo off in the S1 episode Love Hurts. Don't get me wrong, I thought Leo was a great character, but he had . . . issues. I'd much rather he be remembered as a nice guy, as opposed to who he became in later seasons. Plus, I feel like Andy would have lived had Leo died. Whoops, getting off track!
Piper would have been pregnant with his child when Leo died (if my mental timeline of the first season is correct, she would be in the late stages of the first trimester/early stages of the second). The pregnancy would be dragged out juuust a little -- I'd want to ease the show into a slightly different direction as opposed to the sudden and completely different one we saw when Wyatt and Chris were introduced.
In late Season Two Piper gives birth to blonde haired, brown-eyed baby girl who she names Leonie Patricia (she'd been debating that or Leonie Prudence). Piper would never marry or settle down with a guy, instead she would be perfectly content as a single, successful woman raising a very special daughter.

Leonie Halliwell: Can sense evil. Her other ("main") power is the ability to freeze a person/object/animal etc . . . via a combination of the photokinetic spheres that lie in the vast arsenal of whitelighter powers and the Warren power to freeze. Never develops the power to orb, heal, cloak, glamour or any other whitelighter power.

Phoebe
In my world Phoebe ends up with Cole. They never have any kids -- Phoebe has fertility issues and Cole wouldn't a child to have the same sort of demonic struggles he did (and still has). My real reasoning for not giving Phoebe children is because she doesn't really want children, she wants unconditional love (which Cole provides her).

For arguments sake, if they were to have a child her name would be Persephone "Posey" (Posey seems like the kind of name Phoebe would use). I'm not sure what her power(s) would be -- but she wouldn't be able to shimmer, nor would she have any other form of teleportation, demonic or otherwise.

Phew! I think that's enough for one day! I'll be back soon to finish off Posey's powers and add Paige and Prue's kiddos.

[Esmeralda]

I really like your ideas, Astral Chaos, for a lot of different reasons (even if I don't think that Andy would've come back had Leo died--instead it would've been what Connie Burge wanted where none of the girls would've had a steady boyfriend so that the emphasis was always on them and not their men or their children. In the same way she also wanted Cole to only last through Season 3--don't I wish! Leo only came back because the fans wanted hm back and Brian Krause was convinced--if the fans wanted Andy back, they couldn't convince Ted King, who didn't want to come back.)

For these reasons, although I like the idea of killing Leo off before he and Piper get married (and the idea of Piper being the one who only has the one child, a daughter who is special but not Twice Blessed, although I'd stick with Leonora and Nora as nickname...I've liked that ever since the mention of "Leonora Watkins" in "Give Me a Sign" and Scifi giving Chris' daugher, Piper Leonora, the nickname of Nora. Leonie sounds like something Phoebe would come up with, not Piper, the reason I like the name Posie for Phoebe's child's nickname.) I would prefer Piper having Nora when OU (Original Universe) Piper had Wyatt, since there's no way Season Four was longer than four or five months.

I agree with what you said about Phoebe, except your universe is very different than the original one--Cole never gave Phoebe unconditional love during the series and the only way I'd want you to let him is if he's not a demon or even half, or if he is, he was raised by his father rather than his mother and was never Belthazor. Then he could give someone unconditional love.

But because that's not Cole, I would prefer Cole never becoming the Source and dying to save Phoebe in some way and then Phoebe finding out that she's finally pregnant, but because she raises Posey good, Posey never becomes evil.

I'm going to assume that Andy will be sticking around. I hope they don't have any kids until the demon truce, setting them up to be part of any spin-off and not this show. Although the fact that you mention Paige must mean you're planning on killing off Prue again, (if Andy's around, I prefer Prue sticking around and Paige never existing) which means I'll hope Prue doesn't have any kids at all, but I somehow don't think that will happen. I am curious to see what you do with Paige.

[joshingabout]

I think I'm the only fan in the world who likes the fact that each sister (minus Prue, obviously) had three kids of their own.