Charmed Children

[Esmeralda]

I'm glad you like most of the ideas. Nope, I didn't want to shake things up and prefer the kids to be all girls like the Warrens were meant to be. Shaking things up is the same as jumping the shark, which I tried hard not to do.

Ditto for letting Piper, Phoebe and Leo die. I like the idea of the original three dying before there is a chance for a second set of a Power of Three (no matter what gender) and their aunt raising them (had it been Leo, he naturally would've given Melinda preference). ANd I like setting it up for a sequel that would for sure be about the kids, not their parents, while allowing the original show to mainly be about the parents, especially the sisters.

Most of all, it's not that happy sappy ending. And, of course, best of all, no Season 8 and no Billie and Christy!

But I'm glad you like most of it. More and more I find myself wishing that this is the way Charmed had gone...the only thing that would've made it better would be if Phoebe started off with Andy and Prue ended up with Cole (and Paige with Leo, leaving Piper with no one), but I couldn't quite figure out a way to make that work within this setup.

[Astral Alex]

Oh yes I forgot you were into the Leo/Paige pairing. You see that would jump the shark for me completely.

But I love the cousins being the next set of Charmed Ones, and the way how Paige raising them they will be impartial, even though Paige would never have met Trish's mother or father.

[Esmeralda]

Well, the cousins definitely wouldn't be the next set of Charmed Ones...they can't be because they're not sisters. But they would be the Chosen Ones, the ones to follow, and the ones who would try to go against Zankou even without the Power of Three....

And, yes, you're right that had they had Paige go after Leo after he's already married to Piper, that obviously would've been a HUGE "jump the shark". But since we're rewinding this to the beginning, I'd have Leo have some balls and when Piper treats him so horribly in Season Two after they become engaged (when she makes him feel bad for not being mortal when he can't pay the bill because as an angel he has no money or no credit cards) and break it up right there. That way although he'd remain the Charmed Ones' whitelighter, he wouldn't become Piper's husband, leaving him and Paige free to fall in love with each other later on.

Oh, I would *love* to figure a way where *they're* the ones who have Melinda (Different name, of course...) and *they're* the ones who die so PIPER is the one stuck with raising three magical kids, none of them hers!!

Hehehehehe! I'm so mean to Piper, but she was *such* a crappy wife and mother, she deserves it! She would've been *so* much happier single, or married to someone who would give her that normal life she wants so badly without ruining our angel!

No, that's just Es having fun. If it was set up this way (with Melinda as Paige and Leo's), I'd just want Piper and Phoebe to die leaving Paige and Leo to raise the girls...then for sure they'd be set up properly to continue the destiny of protecting innocents...and going against Zankou, much more if Piper had that chance, the reason I truly don't think that Wyatt stayed good...

[Astral Echo]

I still don't like that a whitelighter has a child. I'd much prefer for Leo to lose his powers (either via the evil Elders taking them from him or another route) so they could then go on to have children before he is then resummoned by the remaining Elders after the evil Elders are ousted from power.

I'd rather the sisters didn't die either. I think someone like Leo dying to save them would be acceptable but killing off two of the sisters for no real reason wouldn't go down well, Charmed isn't that kind of show. The only sister I could see dying is Paige and that's because I think it's with in Paige's character, she is noble and brave, just like Prue was.

[Esmeralda]

Given Kern's set of sisters, you're absolutely right, which is why I'd love to see CRR's Paige die and become whitelighter to the true Power of Three...Prue, Piper and Phoebe.

But in this version, without Kern, I would hope that *all* of the sisters would be noble and brave just like Prue and be willing to die, the reason why I like the idea of them doing that here, just like you had them in the Let's Rewrite Charmed. The difference, of course, with no Coop there's no way to time travel and change stuff...unless, of course, the cousins figure out a way in the future and come back and tell their moms/aunts how to do it without setting another dozen set of time loops. And that's why Piper, Phoebe and Leo (or just Piper and Phoebe) dying sets up the spin-off so nicely. To me, it makes it even *more* Charmed than the sappy happy ending of Forever Charmed.

AH! I totally missed the fact that you had it set up so that the reason why Piper never got pregnant is because Leo *couldn't* get her pregnant, so it's after the Evil Elders take away his powers that she can, before he becomes pregnant! I LOVE it! Although if I was going to do that, how is Paige part of the picture? She couldn't possibly be Sam's daughter and if she's not, then she's not Paige! And for that matter, then I would have Cole be pure mortal or pure demon (which means he wouldn't be Cole...) and Posey couldn't exist.

For that matter, it also means that your Nora couldn't come back because she'd just be a witch, not a witchlighter.

Nope, much as you know how much I hate the idea of dead men siring children, for this particular setup that we've been playing with, I think we have to let dead men and demons be able to mate with witches. It's truly hard to have a Charmed fic with children without letting that be true. I know...I've tried!

[Astral Echo]

Cole was part human though not to mention that demons also aren't dead, they are able to reproduce in the same way as humans can.

As for Paige, I'm sure there could some way it could be explained. Perhaps bringing Patty and Sam together was all part of the Elders plan, perhaps they allowed Sam to reproduce (without him knowing) in the way Leo or other whitelighters couldn't to enable them to have a Charmed One back up plan. Which would also explain why they chose to give up, because they were frightened the Elders would take her from them because as far they know, she shouldn't be able to exist because whitelighters can't have children!

Because of Paige, Leo then assumes that the myth about whitelighters inability to reproduce was just a ruse to stop them from trying. Obviously, they fail but because of Paige, they keep trying.

So again, our story is a little different. Instead of the Elders not knowing, it's them who intervene and try and bring Paige into the fold upon Prue's death.

As for Nora, I never said she was a whitelighter. But there is no reason she can't cast a spell to come back. The sisters did it, Chris did it, Bianca did it...there is no reason why the daughter of a Charmed One can't do it either.

[Esmeralda]

Yes, demons can reproduce - with each other - but they're a different species from witches, so they can't reproduce with witches. It's the major difference between them and warlocks, who could reproduce with a witch. But Cole's mother is a demon, not a witch. So in order to have Posey, demons must be able to reproduce with witches. And if I'm going to say that, I'll definitely include that dead men can sire children.

Besides, letting the Elders let Sam reproduce without letting Leo reproduce is MUCH too much of a stretch for me, even tho Patty" and Sam's (and Penny's) reason for being afraid of the Elders make sense.

EXCEPT IF the Elders set them up so they *could* reproduce (and that's a HUGE *IF*), They'd be keeping a closer eye on the two of them and know when Patty is pregnant probably before she did. Sorry, it very simply does not work. Not if you want Paige to be Paige.

As for the rest, let's just agree to disagree. The rest works for your story, but not for my combination. How's that? It's the best way to let that combination include what the other Astrals included, not just yours.

And if I'm going to include halves, I like my final three...one pure witch, one half-demon and one half-whitelighter.

[Esmeralda]

I'm ba..ack!

I decided to do a bit more playing with this, bringing back the sappy ending that you guys like. As long as I'm doing that, I also decided to use some more of Astral Echo's "Let's Rewrite Charmed" while bringing in some ideas of my own, including totally switching around two characters, letting the sister who I think should've died do that, since I definitely think it truly makes both characters better.

This is coming very close to being MY Dream version of Charmed IF

• You have to have a sister die...*AND* three sisters end up still alive at the end.
  
  
• There has to be children.
  
  
• Dead men can sire children and demons can mate with mortals.

See what you think:

Season One is the same as the original, introducing us to the Halliwells, with one major difference...Andy isn't Prue's ex-boyfriend; he's Phoebe's. She's very surprised when she comes home from New York to find out that her just-as-wild high-school boyfriend is now an inspector. Also unlike the original, after Phoebe uses her premonition power to help Andy solve a number of crimes, he finds that, yes, he can accept Phoebe as a witch and wants to marry her. However, he dies before they can, much as he did in the original. When Phoebe sees Andy Up There after his death, she tells him she's not the only one who needs him...so does their daughter. Andy tells her he knows she and her sisters will take good care of their child.

Instead Prue is the one who has closed off her heart after her mother's death and has never had a boyfriend. In the series premiere, Roger is her supervisor and not her boss, and is fired after the boss ("Rex") finds out that he stole her idea, also turning Prue into Buckland's manager.

Season Two obviously centers more around Phoebe's pregnancy, with it helping her to grow up and mature and want to find a job to help support her child, and this is when she goes back to college to get her degree, while also finding her job at the Bay Mirror. (I could imagine Prue and Piper trying to help their baby sister when Phoebe becomes overworked and maybe collapses due to the stress of work, college, demons, grief over Andy and her pregnancy).

The pregnancy is dragged out juuust a little -- easing the show into a slightly different direction as opposed to the sudden and completely different one we saw when Wyatt and Chris were introduced.

In late Season Two Phoebe gives birth to a baby girl who she names Persephone Andrea and calls Posey.

Doing it this way, you can still let Piper and Leo fall in love without needing to resort to the Dan/Piper/Leo triangle. There is also no P3…Prue's job at Buckland's (and since Jack is not part of this and Prue is the one who has closed off her heart, not Phoebe--Prue stays with Buckland's during this season) and Piper’s as manager of Quake takes care of the bills quite nicely - which also means that Piper is not upset when Leo uses Quake to catch a demon eating the local children....

Instead of the triangle, during the season finale, Piper dies like she does in “Awakened” and when Leo saves her, Piper proposes to Leo. And unlike the original, Leo doesn’t lose his wings, so Piper wants him to “Take me to your leaders.”

This way Season Three begins much the same way as it did originally with Piper having been away for a month, leaving Prue and Phoebe on edge - especially without Piper's help with Posey (as her maternal side is evidently needed, especially with Prue busy with Buckland’s and Phoebe busy with both the Bay Mirror and college) and Prue is feeling like Phoebe keeps palming her daughter off on her in order to work on her college work and her Bay Mirror columns, when Prue wants to try to stop the Triad.

When Piper and Leo finally come back, it works much the same as the original, with them getting married after saving the Elders’ asses.

Similar but different to the original, this is the season when Prue meets Cole, the love of *her* life. She falls in love with the lawyer—the first time we’ve seen Prue truly in love--and then she is shocked when she finds out who he truly is, because unlike earlier versions of this, Cole is truly Cole, the half-demon raised by his demonic mother who has been Belthazor for 100 years. Even more than the original Phoebe did, Prue is determined to turn him good no matter if he wants to or not, but she never lies to her sisters as the original Phoebe did. Also she doesn't know that Cole doesn't truly love her - he just wants to turn the oldest Charmed One evil and produce a son who is also evil.

Then, similar but different to the original, Phoebe dies in "All Hell Breaks Loose"...sacrificing herself so that Leo and Cole can go back to the Manor and save both Prue and Piper. Cole does this only because he and Prue have yet to create his evil son.

During Season Four's "Charmed Again", we see Prue attempting to use Posey as a means to bring Phoebe back - also with Prue and Piper likening themselves with Posey; how they were raised by their grandmother, and how Posey will be raised by her aunts. It is easier for the sisters to accept Phoebe’s death than it was for the original Piper and Phoebe, since they still have her daughter as a reminder, and they figure they can honor her memory by raising her daughter the way Phoebe and Andy would’ve wanted her raised.

Paige is introduced in much the same way (she has regular premonitions and visions--which she has never had until she becomes Charmed--and also the power to orb, but that's her only whitelighter power), but on meeting Prue and Piper, she sees that Prue refuses to let her touch or have contact with Posey in any way. (As the heart of the family, Piper accepts Paige just as soon as she knows she's her half-sister, but like Prue, she refuses to consider Paige as their baby sister no matter what their mother told them...Phoebe always was and always will be their baby sister no matter if she’s alive or not...also allowing Paige to be the Only Child who she truly is.) But around the middle of the season, when we finally see Prue trust Paige (letting her move in a bit later than in the real Season Four) Prue finally lets Paige hold little Posey, and Posey comes into her power of seeing the past upon Paige's touch. Seeing how traumatic this is for the so-young girl, the Charmed Ones bind her powers until she is old enough to handle them.

Towards the end of Season Four, Leo and Piper start trying for children, but it fails just as Prue realizes she is pregnant earlier than Phoebe did in the real season, around the fifteenth or sixteenth episode. The plot happens much the same way with the Cole/Phoebe/Phoetus storyline, but Prue realizes that Cole is possessed and therefore has the Charmed Ones attempt to vanquish the Source’s essence and not Cole. However, vanquishing the essence accidentally kills Cole, while ridding Prue's baby of the essence, leaving the baby the chance to decide if it will be good or evil.

Instead of Piper discovering she is pregnant in the finale, the season ends with the Charmed Ones deciding to keep their powers as they feel they owe it to Phoebe and Cole - and in order to teach Posey and her future cousins how to properly use their magic.

During Season Five, Prue can't help but worry about going through pregnancy and motherhood alone like Phoebe did, since she remembers the struggle Phoebe had in both Seasons Two and Three, and can't help but worry that something will happen to her, leaving Piper and Paige to raise Posey and her child alone without the Power of Three.

Meanwhile Piper decides that she has had it with just being a manager at Quake. She’s decided if she’s not going to be a mother, she wants to own her own restaurant. Prue and Paige pool their money to help her buy P3, which is a restaurant, not a club.

This means that while Season Five still has Piper's early pregnancy-related storylines, they are switched to Prue - instead of being all half-witch/half-whitelighter-oriented they would be half-witch/half-demon-oriented.

During the 100th episode, Prue gives birth to a girl, Phoebe Nicole, who she calls Phoebs. The baby is a great controversy in the magical world, with some creatures fearing her and some praising her - but basically realizing that she can be either good or evil depending on her own choices and the way she’s raised. Seeing what happened to Posey, Prue binds Baby Phoebs' powers - whatever they might be - as soon as she's born, determined to unbind them when she's old enough to be able to handle them.

Then Cole returns from the Wasteland.

However, unlike the original S5, he does not return with all of the extra powers from the Demonic Underworld so he’s not crazy, nor does Prue hate him or unfairly blame him...she knows and admits that it was her fault that she turned evil and now she's afraid to love him after what happened before, afraid that if she goes with him, she'll turn evil again.

But for the first time in his life, Cole shows he has a true weakness, since unlike the original, he never fell for Prue...instead he falls in love with his newborn daughter. The Avatars promise him a world where Phoebs can be safe and will love him. He follows a similar path to what Leo followed in S7, persuading Prue, who persuades Piper and Paige, especially when Paige gets a vision of what Utopia could be like, and they follow the same path as S7, but with Cole playing Leo’s role and Leo playing Brody’s.

Leo is the one who convinces the Charmed Ones that the cost of their little utopia is the loss of everyone’s free will, and they all combine with the Elders to stop the Avatars.

The cost, however, is Cole’s life as he sacrifices his to save Baby Phoebs, which in turn also saves the Charmed Ones and little Posey. The Elders reward him by turning his demonic half into a whitelighter half, and he has a final scene with Prue similar to the one that Paige had with Brody.

So our very last view of Cole Turner is as a hero. This is the end of Season Five.

During Season Six, Prue goes into mourning and decides she's no longer interested in love. Instead she concentrate on her business (she now owns Buckland’s) and both her daughter and her sister's daughter.

Instead Paige is the social butterfly who flits from guy to guy (which would allow the hunky male guest stars that the WB required), although she's no Freebie...she doesn't go to bed with any of them.

Meanwhile Paige continues her social work and is now a full social worker. Like her half-sisters, she’s continuously on the lookout for innocents who need her help, including Richard and his family, helping him to woo the girl he loves but who is a member of the other family. Near the end of the season, while helping out a troubled young man, she meets his parole officer…Henry Mitchell…and they become friends. Near the beginning of Season Seven, he finds out that she's a witch and finds that he can accept her as the real one did, but they become lovers - if Henry ever pops the question, it's not until after the series is over.

Piper, busy and happy with her restaurant, while finally being able to accept the fact that Leo's charges are just as important as she is, finds out that she's finally pregnant, although not invincible like she was one the original -she's not carrying the Twice-Blessed Child since the only prophecy in this Charmedverse is the prophecy of the Charmed Ones.

Then, during the latter part of Season Six, the Titans appear and kill off most of the Elders. Although the Charmed Ones are able to vanquish them (without becoming goddesses), the remaining Elders want Leo to join them. He goes back to discuss it with his wife and sisters-in-law. They all know that Leo as one of the Elders would do a lot to help the Power of Good in the battle of Good vs Evil, but they don't want to give up their whitelighter, and Piper doesn't want to give up her husband, especially since she is finally pregnant.

In the Season Seven premiere, Leo decides to refuse their offer. Even as the Charmed Ones continue their lives while continuing to find and protect innocents, they realize that Leo made the right decision, because other whitelighters who took the Elders up on their offer have turned evil when the power of becoming an Elder before their time went to their heads.

Then Paige has a premonition of the evil Elders murdering Leo. Even, as the Charmed Ones try to figure out how to save him, a young blonde whitelighter suddenly orbs in, telling them how to prevent his death. Nora then convinces the Charmed Ones that the only way to stop the Elders is to join forces with evil to bring them down. She introduces them to Zankou, who she seems to know a lot about, whereas he insists that he has never met her. Leo is also suspicious of her since he has also never met her, but she refuses to tell them anything about herself.

In the next episode, the 150th, the Charmed Ones, Zankou, Nora, demons who agreed to fight, other good magical beings not manipulated by the evil Elders and the last remaining good Elders go to war against the evil Elders.

During the battle, Piper goes into early labor, so Leo orbs Piper back to the Manor leaving Prue and Paige with Zankou and the others to fight against the evil Elders. Piper and Leo are met by Nora who helps them deliver their baby.

The battle against the evil Elders finally ends with the evil Elders vanquished, and Prue and Paige arrive back just in time to greet their baby niece, Patricia Nora, nicknamed Trish. Because she is half-whitelighter, unlike her sisters, Piper has decided against binding her powers unless she can't handle them, and since she's not Twice Blessed, Trish can.

Shortly afterwards, Leo is asked by the remaining good Elders and whitelighter community to form a new council under his guidance. He agrees, but only if he's also allowed to continue to be the Charmed Ones' whitelighter, along with whitelighter to his other charges, and they agree, so he receives his Elder powers for the first time.

At the end of the 150th, with his new Elder powers he senses a disturbance in the magical order. His new ultra-sensing powers take him to Nora standing in front of an open time portal.

Confused, Leo asks what is going on. This is when Nora finally admits that she’s from the future which is why she knew when to come back in order to save him from the evil Elders, how to bring the evil Elders down, about Zankou, etc...It’s also why she made sure that she herself never did anything to change anything…although she did a lot of advising, she always made sure that those in this present were always the ones to change anything, preventing any eternal time loops, something which she found out has happened many times and that she was determined this time to stop.

He asks her who she really is, so after making him promise not to tell the Charmed Ones, she turns her back on him, pulling up her hair to reveal a birthmark on the back of her neck - the same one we saw moments earlier on Baby Trish. She turns and smiles and tells him that her full middle name is Leonora…she was named after him...and she would suggest he gives it to Trish. After all, shouldn't he and Piper continue the tradition of giving the first baby a form of her father's name as her middle name?

Before passing through the portal, she warns Leo that although Zankou helped get rid of the evil Elders, he can’t be trusted. She tells him that the Charmed Ones in the future told her to tell him to warn their past selves that the only way to get rid of him is to get rid of him now, before he takes over the Manor, not in the future as they have tried but have failed. After giving him a sad smile, she steps through the portal. Her prophecy comes true when the Charmed Ones discover that the only way to prevent Zankou from taking over the Manor and turning the nexus evil is to truly sacrifice themselves.

During the series finale which combines both “Something Wicca This Way Goes” and “Forever Charmed” the Charmed Ones risk their lives in a big, fiery finale, fully expecting to die, but Paige manages to panic orb away. Prue and Piper are left for dead — the first time any of the Charmed Ones have died since Phoebe’s death - but finding the same spell that Nora used to come back in time, Paige goes back in time to try to save her half-sisters. She never goes forward in time so we never sees any of the Charmed Ones or Leo (who, of course, is still an Elder) as old.

Instead Paige gathers Grams and Patty to help save the day. Paige phases back into her body as soon as the group arrive, just like time travelers to the past always have.

No sooner is she back than she gets a premonition of what happened the first time around just before Patty freezes Zankou as Grams TK's the amulet away from him. Even as Prue TKs him to the other side of the room, Piper blows up the amulet. Now with him unprotected by the amulet, the Charmed Ones cast the Source vanquish spell just before Paige starts chanting the P3 spell, which the Charmed Ones have used whenever they needed protection... Prue and Piper join in and that protects them all from the explosion (which is what Paige saw killing Prue and Piper the first time around).

In the happy but not sappy ending, Prue, Piper, and Paige walk down the stairs together - the young widow and business owner determined to raise a quarter-demon to be good, the young mother and business woman now raising both her niece and her own little half-whitelighter daughter to properly use their powers, and the witchlighter who continues her social work while happily exploring her new relationship - admiring the photographs on the wall as we get flashbacks of the past significant to each image - including Seasons 1-3 - ending with the picture of the original Power of Three.

Then there's a bit of magic and Paige becomes a part of the picture, too.

We don't see the future at all...that's left for the spin-off! Any extra kids (or spouses) can be added then…

So??? What do you think of *this* version???

AND if anyone wants to put in their own Dream Charmed that includes kids, feel free!

[Astral Echo]

Okay, if you insist. My version of events certainly won't be to everyone's taste but here goes. Here is S1 for now, tell me what you think:

Three sisters, raised by their grandmother, are reunited on the eve of her death to fulfill her dying requests. Prue, a hard-working, driven and often callous businesswoman, left San Francisco at the age of 20 to pursue her career in London, leaving her younger sister Piper to care for their grandmother and youngest sister. Piper is the heart of the family. She is kind, caring and devoted to her grandmother, Penny, who she cares for her when not working as a chef for the family-run restaurant and bar, Quake. Youngest sister Phoebe can be quite a handful, having often been in trouble with the law during her teens, and who left for New York when she turned 18.

Piper continued caring for Grams for another three, until she was admitted into a hospital having suffered a fatal heart attack. As a last request, Penny asked to see her three granddaughters together again before she dies. So, Prue and Phoebe both fly in to San Francisco to say their last goodbyes to Penny before returning to Halliwell Manor for the first time in six and three years respectively.

Prue and Phoebe's icy relationship is clear as both argue (despite now being fully-grown women) about past misdemeanors, including Prue’s accusation that fifteen-year-old Phoebe slept with Roger, Prue's boyfriend of the time - something Phoebe flatly denies.

Piper tries to rekindle her friendships with both sisters in an attempt to make them stay, fearing being left alone.

Piper then finds the Book of Shadows and their destiny is revealed. Both Prue and Phoebe realize they were tricked by Grams, agreeing for the first time that they always knew she was a sly old bird! When both sisters attempt to leave, they are sent running back to the Manor as they encounter creatures they never dreamed existed.

But it's Jeremy, Piper's on-again/off-again boyfriend, who proves to be the biggest threat and the two sisters arrive just in time to rescue the middle sister and vanquish their first baddie.

Realizing they are stuck together, Prue and Phoebe attempt to make the best of the situation while Piper relishes the opportunity to have a family around her once more.

Phoebe, now a reformed character, worries that her religion won't accept her for who she is but her mind is put at ease when a Father Brendan Rowe tells her that we are all made in God’s image and as long as she makes the right choices and lives a good life, she'll still be accepted into heaven.

Prue manages to get a job at Buckland’s, the local antiques dealers, and due to her experience in the industry, she is quickly fast-tracked to the top, while growing close to owner, Rex Buckland. Unbeknownst to Prue, Rex is a warlock, who killed the original Rex Buckland, a witch, and took his power and business in order to kill the Charmed Ones. In fact, he's been manipulating Prue ever since she stepped off the plane in San Francisco, using his powers of astral projection and mind control to push all the pieces into place so he could successful kill all three witches and take their powers.

In reality, Prue was never an antiques dealer – instead she’s a highly-successful photographer turned fashion editor--but “Rex” has manipulated her mind so much, he could almost make her think anything he wants.

Prue also rekindles her relationship with high-school sweetheart, Andy Trudeau, while Phoebe grows closer to Father Brendan and Piper throws herself into her work and is promoted to second chef during this season, striking up a friendship with her boss’s daughter, Jenny.

Mid-season, Andy foils “Rex's” plan and is almost killed by the warlock when he discovers that “Rex” isn't who he says he is. But he also discovers the sisters’ secret when they rush to save and vanquish the warlock and his accomplice, who Prue has never trusted despite “Rex's” manipulation.

Andy struggles to accept the truth about Prue and takes some time away, leaving Prue to cope alone with the revelation that “Rex” had manipulating her for over six months. She struggles to rediscover her identity, since the woman she once was is gone, while the woman who she thought she was, doesn't really exist. This struggle allows her to bond properly with Phoebe who has struggled through her own identity crisis for most of her life - it was only going away to New York that helped her find herself.

Now stronger than ever, the sisters are faced with more and more challenges as evil tries to break the Charmed circle. They soon learn that there may be a fierce battle on the horizon, one they won't see coming and one they may not survive.

As Phoebe continues to see Brendan, the priest starts to question his beliefs as he finds himself falling for the youngest sister, something that is strictly forbidden to him as a priest. Phoebe suggests he leaves the Church because as he himself said, as long as you live a good life, you can still be a good Catholic. Brendan tells her he devoted himself to God to try and stop himself from falling into temptation, from going down the same path as his two older brothers.

Andy and Prue finally reunite about six episodes before the end of the season and the sisters help him solve various crimes.

Piper meets Jenny's older brother, Dan, a newly qualified doctor who she begins falling for but never has the courage to ask out.

Eventually Brendan gives into temptation and he and Phoebe make love.

Sensing their brother is weak, Brendan's brothers return in the first part of a two part finale. As had been suggested but never revealed, Brendan is in fact a demon, and he and his brothers form the Charmed One's opposition, the Blood Brothers. While Brendan has tried for years to resist his nature, his night of passion with Phoebe has opened a whole can of worms for hers. Since Brendan is now weak, Aodhan and Ciaran manipulate their brother and persuades him that the sisters must be stopped. Knowing their brother still won't join them willingly, they make the Charmed Ones out as the enemy, comparing Phoebe to a temptress as she tried to part him from his beliefs. They use his religion as a way of proving to him that Phoebe, Piper and Prue must be stopped.

In the finale, the sisters celebrate their first anniversary as witches by going to battle against the Blood Brothers and successfully vanquish them. But Phoebe is left devastated, having not only lost the man she loved but also her faith, believing that if this year has taught her anything, it's that God can't exist in such a messed-up world.

(Cheers to Es for the proofing! )

[Esmeralda]

I'll pout a bit that you didn't say anything about my latest version (and for my own true Dream one, I have to think on it, since it definitely would not include anything that I forced myself to include in this thread...

Since yours doesn't include anyone pregnant at the end, I'm not sure it fits in this thread. Maybe you should change yours into a link and start a new thread: Dream Charmed or something to that effect.

But I'll say this here now and will also say it once you do that...although not my favorite version, I really like this and want to read more. My only disappointment is killing off the Rowe Brothers after only one season...I could truly wish that they had been your Big Bad throughout the entire series. I'd SO prefer warlocks over demons!

About the only thing I don't like is making Piper out to be such a goodie-two-shoes with no faults while the other two are totally opposite, and even when they see the so-called evil of their ways, I don't like them. I miss all three sisters from the first season who I loved so much...these don't seem like them at all.

BUT I am curious to see what happens, so please continue on.

[Astral Echo]

Sorry Es, thought I had posted about yours, mine was meant to be a double post so perhaps it seems odd that it's not there. :/

Anyway, here is the gist of what I wrote:

I got quite confused as I think you kept swapping the girls names, which I can only put down to it being a cut and paste job, so I kind of got lost along the way but from what I can make out, it's a lot more like the Charmed I wanted to see, even if whitelighters are still having babies.

I really like your choice to kill Phoebe off, as much as I loved her character, it made a lot more sense to have her killed in the Underworld than Prue killed above ground when realistically if one dies, Piper should of died too. Not to mention the fact that Kern totally breezed over the fact that Phoebe was stuck in the Underworld in the original series. I also like that it's Phoebe who had the baby (I'll admit I borrowed that idea for my own season...you didn't see my plan for S2 yet! ) and while I'm not overally keen on the pairing (I don't see our Andy going for a gal like our Pheebs) it makes a lot more sense for her to have a child early on than Prue.

I do LOVE the Prue/Cole pairing! And it is nice that he is redeemed in the end even if I'm not overally keen on him being made whitelighter but in the parameters of this story, it makes sense.

Obviously, I still love Nora, I think it's the name more than anything, she already feels like a fully fledged Charmed character! Still kind of wish Leo was human when she was conceived but I can live with it as the idea of two hybrids and a witch for the cousins is kind of nice.

I like that Paige is a lot more care free here, flirtatious, vivacious and all of the above! ;D It's a nice use of both Henry and Richard and I'm sure there was room for appearances from Glenn, Nate and the other guys she met as well.

While the happy ending is perfectly good, I'd still like to see someone die. I'm a sucker for a tragic ending and I still feel like they should of won at a cost. Whether that be one of the sisters or one of the partners, I'm not sure.

[Astral Echo]

Feb 13, 2012 23:26:52 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I'll pout a bit that you didn't say anything about my latest version (and for my own true Dream one, I have to think on it, since it definitely would not include anything that I forced myself to include in this thread...

Since yours doesn't include anyone pregnant at the end, I'm not sure it fits in this thread. Maybe you should change yours into a link and start a new thread: Dream Charmed or something to that effect.

But I'll say this here now and will also say it once you do that...although not my favorite version, I really like this and want to read more. My only disappointment is killing off the Rowe Brothers after only one season...I could truly wish that they had been your Big Bad throughout the entire series. I'd SO prefer warlocks over demons!

About the only thing I don't like is making Piper out to be such a goodie-two-shoes with no faults while the other two are totally opposite, and even when they see the so-called evil of their ways, I don't like them. I miss all three sisters from the first season who I loved so much...these don't seem like them at all.

BUT I am curious to see what happens, so please continue on.

Firstly, my re-review of your should be above now. Still can't work out where is went.

Whose to say no one was pregnant at the end of the season?

That isn't the end of the Rowe Brothers, the Blood Brothers will most definitely be back! Except in my version, they're demons not warlocks as it made no sense to me that they were born warlocks. As established in episode one, warlocks are witches gone bad who steal powers to gain in strength. In other words, they can't be born warlocks...witches yes but that wouldn't explain Brendan's natural pull to evil. Rex and Hannah are our main warlocks for Season One.

I'll admit I struggled with Piper during Season One but she most certainly isn't without her own flaws. She lacks confidence and despite her best intentions she has a habit of putting peoples noses out of joint. But I found it difficult to even pin those on her as even in your own version Es, as well as the original series, she was the glue that held the family together and it's always Prue and Phoebe that had the flaws early on in the series.

But it's S2 where we begin to see the sisters we are more accustomed to. Phoebe, having turned her back on her faith becomes a lot more like our Phoebs, which I think she still showed in S1 but perhaps not as much because of her strained relationship with Prue (which is a much bigger plot point than in the original series). Piper is still Piper and in S2 she grows some theoretical balls and becomes more confident. I think in S1, I wanted her power to match and her personality, freezing time when ever she got scared or unnerved but in S2 she gains more control of it (as they all do). Prue almost gets a clean slate and it's being with and around her sisters that help forms what her character will become. Becoming more like the Prue we know, she grows very protective of her sisters as she more than any of the three sisters realizes her calling in life and becomes very dedicated to the craft.

But you're right, Es, they are not as similar to our sisters as perhaps I original intended them to be. I got taken away with the story I am creating and I guess there characters were amended to fit the background I was creating for them. Prue, a woman who was forced to help raise her sisters out of duty more than anything. A woman who eventually got fed up of missing wasted opportunities - with Andy, at school, in her career. Piper however, did it out of choice. Her bond with Grams and her natural maternal instinct made her the perfect person to step in when Prue left. Phoebe, left San Francisco similar to the girl she left in the original series but came back a reformed character - doesn't mean that she'll stay that reformed character for long!

[Esmeralda]

On my way to work I realized why I don't like your Charmed Ones the way I loved the original..you missed the same thing Kern kept missing in the latter seasons...there's not a single mention of innocents. It was how they cared for them that made me care for the sisters, especially Phoebe. And if your Dream Charmed is simply a soap opera of witches vs the demons who are after them (Holy Kern, Batman!), I definitely wouldn't have watched past the first season, especially when Phoebe continues to be Freebie and then has the nerve to be upset about losing her faith...if she allowed herself to fall in love with a priest, she never regained her faith to begin with--a true Catholic would never look at a priest as anything but a priest, no matter the connection, since the priest represents Christ, the reason why they can only be males and also the reason why so many evil priests were able to molest altar boys. Her being upset about it was as bad as Piper being upset when Leo died after she treated him like her little errand boy, proving that she never truly loved him, the reason Vayo con Leos only made me roll my eyes.

I think that's the main difference...By keeping everything the same and only changing who had Andy as an ex-boyfriend, I concentrated on Season One's Phoebs, the baby of the family who loved magic and innocents and who *could* have had a bad-boy-turned-cop as an ex-boyfriend who now falls for her when she uses her powers to help him solve cases, while you concentrated on Season One's PhoeME/Freebie, never really showing her changing...her only faith was in the priest.

I also like the idea of Prue who couldn't say "I love you" being the one who had closed off her heart and doesn't fall in love until she meets Cole the lawyer. Just like your Phoebe, I didn't see anything to like about your Prue or your Piper, while I loved both during Season One, since all any of yours seemed to be interested in was themselves, even Piper, who just wanted her family around her, not caring what they wanted.

Also, although I smiled that you decided to borrow my idea of Phoebe being the first to get pregnant, I wouldn't like it if Prue also ends up having one with Cole...again it's the same storyline all over again. UNLESS you're trying for something like what StoryGirl did, where you end up with three half-demons. That could be interesting, even if it wouldn't be a show I'd be interested in.

OR if you're not going to allow the Phoetus to live and instead will let Paige have a child without rushing her relationship with whoever (I pray it's not Glen...unless you totally change their relationship..I prefer him as just a friend..and Nate?? *shudder*. No, I wouldn't let either of them be part of mine.). If that's what you're up to...Piper having the witch (since up to this point there is no Leo, which so far I like since I definitely prefer her with Dan), Phoebe having the half-demon, and Paige having the hybrid-whitelighter...yeah, I could see that...or if Phoebe isn't pregnant and instead runs into Leo in Season Two, ending up with Prue with the half-demon, Piper with the witch, and Phoebe with the half-whitelighter ...I'd like that even better.

I'm curious to see what you end up with, but right now, if I have to have kids and have to have all three sisters alive at the end, I still like my widow, my young mother and my just-starting-a-relationship social worker who end up with a witch, a half-demon and a half-whitelighter, especially when it's Prue, Piper and Paige.

Hmmm...had never considered losing someone at the end as a cost, with a lost sister being the one who also ends up part of the picture at the end. Given that choice, I'd want Paige to die, leaving best friends Prue and Piper aka Shannen and Holly, although Prue dying to save her sisters would probably make more sense.

You also mentioned losing a spouse, but only Piper has a spouse and if Piper is going to be alive, I'd prefer Leo being an Elder Up There who can still be the family's whitelighter and Piper's husband.

Perhaps it should be baby Trish who dies (the way baby Chris should've died making big Chris fade away even as he tries to murder Wyatt), since that would truly stop the everlasting time loop since then Nora could never come back... Hmmm... Then again, who knows? Maybe with her next daughter, Piper would break the pattern and name the baby Leonora...OR maybe that next child would actually be a boy, making the cousins one boy and two girls... So many possibilities for the spin-off.

You were right that I mixed up the kids' names a bit...you must've read it before I went back and edited...my bad for not having someone beta it for me first...just a mood I was in last night of wanting to share and none of my betas were around. Hopefully Posey, Phoebs and Trish are in the right order now.

Am definitely looking forward to reading your Season Two, mainly to see how you change these three totally unlikeable characters into the ones we loved, since right now there's nothing in yours that I'd add to mine with the possible exception of Quake being owned by the Gordons and that's how Piper meet both Jenny and Dr. Dan...I like him being the doctor, even if I liked him better being in construction and an ex-ballplayer. Unlike so many other fans, I liked Dan, and would've liked him more if we hadn't already watched "Love Hurts"....And, at least for now, I'll guess I'll stick with Leo ending up with Piper...even if in my own Dream Charmed, I still like it best if Prue ended with Cole, Piper with no one (Leo leaves after "Love Hurts" and never comes back), Phoebe with no one (and the one who dies) and Paige with Henry who she doesn't meet until Season Eight but never marries, with none having children until after the series is over. Unless it's only three seasons as it should've been - then it would be if Prue with Andy; Piper with Leo and Phoebe with Cole with Andy not dying, but never actually marrying Prue, and Piper not marrying Leo until after they get rid of Shax (he's the one who ruined "Just Harried", not Prue) and Shax's boss, the Source, during the series finale, and no one having kids. That's my true Dream Charmed, but that doesn't belong in this thread.

[BurkittsvilleGuy88]

OK, this is my first attempt at this, but I'm usually creative and pretty good at coming up with things on the spot:

So like the others have stated, Prue finds out she's pregnant at the beginning of season 2 (since it had been a month that had taken place between the end of season one and the beginning of season two; and Prue and Andy had sex in secret after their meeting in the park in "Deja Vu All Over Again"). She finds out three and a half months in season two that she is pregnant with a girl, whom she names Persephone. Persephone has the power of premonition (since Prue has telekinesis and Patty had the power to freeze). Prue does *not* die at the end of season three, so instead of "All Hell Breaks Loose", there would be an episode about Persephone turning a year old. Piper still finds out that she and Leo can end up having kids, as she finds out she is pregnant at the beginning of season 4 (where Paige still gets introduced, though not as a Charmed One, but she seeks the sisters out like she did in the beginning of season four and finds out from the nun at her church who her parents were, which in turn, causes her to look for Prue, Piper, and Phoebe). Piper ends up having a girl, who she names Penelope. Penelope has the power of telekinesis. Phoebe and Cole end up having a witch baby, since Phoebe finds out that she is pregnant in season three and the events of Black as Cole take place a year earlier. They have a shotgun wedding. She gives birth to a daughter, named Pamela, who has the power to freeze. Paige and Henry meet in season six, and have a daughter mid-way through season seven. They name their daughter Briana Mitchell Halliwell.

This leaves four kids for the future generation after the Charmed Ones, and since Paige is never made a Charmed One in this reality, Paige has the power to orb but learns the craft anyway and ends up with telekinesis (like Prue's version) after creating a spell to call forth a power from the Halliwell ancestral line. This also causes her daughter Briana to have a power of her own, pyrokinesis.

So the four kids are:

Persephone Patricia Halliwell: Power of premonition
Penelope Melinda Halliwell: Power of telekinesis
Pamela Charlotte Halliwell: power to freeze
Briana Mitchell Halliwell: powers of pyrokinesis and orbing

Persephone, Penelope, and Pamela become the next Charmed Ones (although they are cousins, not sisters, but still retain the original Charmed powers), and Briana grows up to be a witchlighter, helping out her cousins in the same way Leo would, but still has a separate witch power instead of a mutated one.

[Astral Alex]

I see this has sort of turned into 'Our own dream versions' now, I suggest that if people want to post their 'Dream realities' they should start another thread. However, the ideas in this are interesting, and I'm glad to see my idea of Prue being pregnant during Season Two is quite a popular one.

[Astral Alex]

Actually, I'm going to post my dream series here too, just so you can all see - please tell me what you think it's a lot different from my original one.


Was just about to post a thread like this but you've beaten me too it! Here are my ideas, please comment on what you think:

However seen as though this thread is titled and centred around the Charmed Children I will post my alternate series from only a pregnancy/child point of view, leaving out the most of the magical storylines.

Season One would begin as normal, however when Piper has a pregnancy scare in 'Wedding From Hell', she discovers that she is actually pregnant - however in Wedding From Hell, Hecate (I think her name is) attempts to steal Piper's baby in order to rule the Underworld with it, resulting in Piper miscarrying; (I think having this storyline so early in the Season helps the bonding process with the characters and also quickly highlights the danger of having supernatural children, especially demon children). The season then continues as normal and Andy dies in the Season One finale.

Season Two begins just the same, with Prue grieving over Andy - but in Morality Bites, we see that the ten-year old girl that Piper is looking after is actually her niece; Trish - Prue's daughter. Prue is still the same workaholic, and palms Trish off onto Piper all the time. Upon returning to the present, Prue realises that Trish was nine years old in 2009, meaning that her birthday was in 2000. After adding up the dates, Prue discovers that she is eight weeks pregnant in the third episode of the season with Andy's child. Piper and Phoebe support Prue and tell her they will be there for her no matter what, but Prue is still trying to grieve for Andy and throws herself into her work at Bucklands and demon-hunting and collapses halfway through the season after stressing herself out too much, also developing the power of astral projection in the same episode. The Piper/Leo/Dan triangle continues as normal and the magical storylines are much the same until the eighteenth episode, where Prue goes into labour - she refuses to listen to Piper, Phoebe and Leo's advice and insists on having the baby in a hospital where she is treated by Dr. Williamson (who is a consultant), Trish is born relatively normally and as Prue is giving birth Phoebe has a premonition and sees the future Trish we saw in 'Morality Bites' before Phoebe's premonition continues without the audience seeing, she later tells Prue she saw Trish as an adult and tells her that she grows up to be beautiful, powerful and strong like her parents. Prue names her Patricia Andrea Halliwell after her mother and lover and they call her Trish as a nickname, her date of birth is March 20th, 2000 (the spring equinox - Trish is also two weeks late). Prue initially rejects Trish in the nineteenth and twentieth episodes and Piper takes on the motherly role, before forcing Prue to hold Trish saying that it was a piece of Andy that had lived on - and Prue finally breaks down over Andy's death. The season two finale then takes on a similar format to 'Astral Monkey' but with Dr. Williamson testing some of Trish's blood which proves she is magical, he accidentally is injected with it and is blessed with the power of telekinesis like Prue, however he is much more strong and she eventually overpowers him and kills him. The season then ends with Prue telling her sisters she was going to embrace her role as a mother and as a Charmed One and Piper and Leo going up to the Heavens as normal.

Season Three begins similarly, with Piper and Leo having been gone for a month, but Prue is so concentrated on searching for The Triad and working at Bucklands (she never quit) she keeps palming baby Trish off onto an already stressed out Phoebe. Season Three pans out very closely to the original, apart from Piper and Phoebe have to remind Prue to be more careful after she is injured whilst hunting The Source as she needs to look after Trish; Prue eventually becomes more maternal and begins dating again; a man named Scott Scarman who she meets at work in the Season premiere, and begins dating in the fifth episode. Scott learns Prue's secret about her magic in Piper and Leo's wedding episode, and promises to stick by her after the wedding after Prue initially feared he would reject her, he also tells her that he loves Trish as if she was his own daughter. In the seventeenth episode, Trish celebrates her first birthday and is wiccaned at the same time - but Cole disrupts her wiccaning. The season finale pans out exactly like the original, with it being a cliffhanger on who dies.

Season Four begins with Piper attempting to use Trish to bring back Prue; who died at the end of Season Three. Piper and Phoebe now have the responsibility of raising their niece; Trish. Charmed Again is almost the same as the original, although Prue's boyfriend Scott is determined on avenging Shax for Prue's murder and goes along with Phoebe and Cole when they stake out Paige on the rooftop. Piper and Scott clash over the care of Trish as Scott is trying to act like a father, with Piper reminding him that Trish was an orphan now and that Piper, Leo and Phoebe would raise her. Paige is introduced as normal, and after discovering that Piper and Phoebe are her half-sisters and Trish is her niece she reforms the Power of Three. However, Piper attempts to use Trish as a replacement for Prue when going after Shax with Phoebe alone, but it doesn't work with Piper coming to the conclusion that Trish isn't 'Charmed' like they are. Piper is reluctant to let Paige near Trish as the season begins and after Piper breaks down to Paige about Prue in the sixth episode, Paige holds Trish and upon Paige's touch - Trish comes into her power of telekinesis, just like her mother - with Piper also accepting Paige as a sister and an aunt to Trish. Surprisingly, Trish bonds with Paige well and Paige finds herself taking on a more maternal role than Phoebe does when helping Piper and Leo out with Trish. Prue's boyfriend Scott leaves halfway through Season Four after Piper makes it clear that he isn't a part of their family. The Source storyline isn't resolved halfway through the season, with most of the first half being about accepting Paige. 'Charmed and Dangerous' serves as the nineteenth or twentieth episode, with Phoebe and Cole marrying in 4x21 and Phoebe discovering she is pregnant as the season cliffhanger.

Season Five is completely different, it begins with effectively the second half of the original Season Four, with Phoebe telling her sisters about her pregnancy and slowly turning evil. Piper and Paige realise that Cole is the Source a few episodes in and 'Long Live The Queen' serves as the 100th episode, with the girls attempting to vanquish the Source's essence, not Cole. However, in trying to vanquish the Source, they accidentally kill Cole, making Phoebe's grief even worse. Assuming that the vanquishing spell had killed her unborn baby too, Phoebe is shocked to discover that she is still displaying the power of fire throwing a few episodes later, and the original Season Five episodes about Piper's Whitelighter pregnancy are given to Phoebe's demon pregnancy. Initially she confides in her sisters that she doesn't want to raise the baby alone like Prue did, and die leaving it an orphan like their niece Trish. Phoebe later gives birth to a baby girl; who she names Prudence Penelope Halliwell in the fifteenth episode; with the birth date of January 19th, 2003 (I know the dates wouldn't match the actual airdate of the episode, but this is a dream series) which doubles as Cole's birthday. Phoebe then struggles to control Prue's powers which manifest quickly, and she displays the power of fire manipulation and shimmering. During the remainder of the season, Paige becomes a social worker but often finds herself babysitting Trish and Prue after Piper steps things up at P3 and Phoebe returns to work and Paige begins dating Jason (who originally dates Phoebe in the series) at the end of Season Five. The finale also maps out similarly to the original, with Leo leaving Piper to become an Elder - with Piper confessing that she had hoped they could try for a child of their own. Leo leaves and the girls are sent Chris (although he does not kidnap Leo like in the original finale).

Season Six begins with the girls realising that Leo has left them, and Piper attempting to control Trish's powers which had begun growing uncontrollably. Paige's relationship with Jason was going well, but Phoebe feels like she doesn't have the confidence to date anymore after the birth of Prue who is now over nine months old. Chris is still the mysterious figure that he was in the original and Piper struggles without Leo. Phoebe doesn't receive her empathy power but Paige begins to use more conventional telekinesis, something that grows very slowly and progressively thoughout Season Six. The storylines are very similar within this Season, and Chris eventually reveals to Paige that he is Piper and Leo's son from the future. Paige is shocked as Piper had begun dating again and even bumped into Dan (who makes a special guest appearance) and they hook up. The main magical storyline for the second half of the season shows The Crone (who makes her first appearance in this season) attempting to steal baby Prue as she is the 'warchild' the child of a force of pure evil and a force of pure good and a supreme ruler over both magical worlds. It follows a similar path of the Underworld trying to kidnap Prue. Chris tells Paige that Piper and Leo need to get back together and conceive him before it's too late, however on the date of his conception Leo and Piper kiss, but nothing more and Chris realises that his future is being re-written (however there is none of that fading away stuff, his body remains in the past). Nearer the end of the season, The Crone eventually kidnaps Prue and Chris sacrifices himself for his cousin, and as he is dying he reveals to Piper and Leo that he is their son and that they are destined to be together. Chris dies and the sisters realised that his future has been rewritten. Meanwhile, Paige splits with Jason after he rejects her secret and also as a sub-plot to the finale of the Season, the threatens to expose their secret by posting it in the Bay Mirror, before Paige manages to subdue him using her powers - but fears that she could be reprimanded as it was for personal gain, saying to Piper and Phoebe that 'she half did it to stop him exposing them, and half because their relationship ended bitterly'. The season ends with Leo and Piper reuniting and deciding to try for a child of their own, Phoebe realise that Prue was more important than men and Paige deciding that she wanted to embrace her Whitelighter side a little more.

Season Seven follows the same structure magically, although the sisters are a lot more selfless and there are still the rules of personal gain etc. Paige meets Henry in this Season (who takes the place of Kyle but without all the psycho Avatar stuff as the Avatars don't exist) the main evil in this season is Zankou. Paige and Henry begin a relationship and Piper is overjoyed to discover she is pregnant in the tenth episode, thinking that the baby she is carrying will be a boy and a break to the Halliwell tradition; but Leo reminds her that the baby may not be Chris, who she is still grieving for. Magic School is introduced in this season after Piper, Leo, Phoebe and Paige decide to send Trish there to help her control her powers. Paige tells Henry that she is a witch in the fifteenth episode and he accepts her, and he moves in before the end of the season. The finale runs much like the original, with Inspector Sheridan determined to expose the sisters after getting hold of Jason's old files on them earlier on in the season, and Zankou manages to take over the Manor and possess the Nexus and Piper, Phoebe and Paige face him in 7x21 where they take in the Hollow. It becomes a battle of the Nexus vs The Hollow resulting in a catastrophic explosion, exactly like the Manor explosion in Season Eight and the girls are trapped under the rubble (Trish and Prue are with Leo and Henry). Leo then uses baby Prue to remove the Hollow from the girls (channeling Prue's power, as she his half-good and half-evil, meaning she can read the enscription on the box). Phoebe awakes in the rubble and finds Paige, by using her new power of telepathy (which she develops a few episodes before hand) who is unconscious but awakes and they find Piper (who is five months pregnant) and she is in pain - they try to call for Leo but he doesn't arrive and they cradle Piper as she tells them she can feel herself losing the baby. The episode ends with a frantic Phoebe and Paige trying to get hold of Leo, and in a desperate attempt to save a dying Piper, they begin chanting the Power of Three spell, the spell seems to work and repairs the Manor around them, but it renders Piper unconscious. The finale episode then begins with Piper alone in her bedroom (reminiscent of the scene in Long Live The Queen where Phoebe, Piper and Paige all hug on the bed) and Phoebe and Paige go to comfort her, with Piper revealing to the audience that she miscarried her baby and that her womb is now damaged. The rest of the episode deals with the aftermath of Zankou's vanquish and Piper's refusal to be a Charmed One anymore, and asking Phoebe and Paige how they'd feel if she gave up their powers - they all later agree to keep them after a visit from the Angel of Destiny tells them that they have one final battle left. Coop arrives and tells Phoebe that the Elders have sent her so she won't give up on love, as she hasn't had a serious relationship since Cole and the last date she went on was seen in Season Six (Phoebe isn't FREEBIE in my series) and the end scene ends with Paige opening up to Henry about what her life is like and attempts to break up with him, saying that it is too dangerous for him. Henry refuses however and proposes to Paige, who accepts.

Season Eight begins with the girls having a relatively demon-free life after the vanquish of Zankou and Piper is busying herself preparing for Paige's wedding - although it is clear that she is still broody after she attempts to get Phoebe to have a premonition about Chris, and asks her if she can attempt to see into the future to see if she will ever have the son that she was destined. Coop tries to set Phoebe up with a guy named Blake but the relationship doesn't have a spark and after casual sex, Phoebe breaks it off. The main big bad of this Season is the revelation that the Elders are being corrupted by almost left wing extremists, and that they are determined to have equality for all races - even demons. A sub-group of Elders form and overthrow the Elders, turning them against the Charmed Ones who are determined to keep the worlds of good and evil apart, many demons and warlocks however team up with the Elders as they see it as their chance to leave the Underworld and live freely in the outside world. Paige and Henry marry in the eight episode of the season, before the main story arc begins and Piper begins using fertility potions in order to try and become pregnant again, even though Paige and Phoebe tell her it could be considered personal gain. Phoebe eventually falls for Coop midway through the season and they begin a relationship just before Coop is kidnapped and taken hostage by the Elder sub-group in order to blackmail the Charmed Ones. After a battle on Golden Gate Bridge in the fifteenth episode, the American Government are alerted to the presence of witches and Piper, Phoebe and Paige are taken to Area 51 and held captive to be experimented on. However, Darryl (who moved away during the end of Season Six) attempts to free them and after a stand-off with government officials, he is killed. Piper, Phoebe and Paige manage to escape the government's grasp in time to push back the Elder's efforts and remove demons that had already begun setting up home on the real world and the government realise the good that witches do, before passing an embargo on The Charmed Ones being exposed again. However, Piper's grief over Darryl makes her susceptible to the Elder/Demon's plans of takeover, they manage to possess Piper in the seventeenth episode and she switches sides, leaving Phoebe and Paige alone to fight - the fight continues until the twentieth episode when Piper succeeds in killing Phoebe after fight at the Manor, with Leo unconscious and Coop in hiding Paige's healing power comes into effect, but it's too late and Phoebe dies. The twenty-first episode (which I would name: Last Witch Standing ) shows Paige attempting to use a Power of Three spell to reverse time in order to bring Phoebe back, she tries using Trish and Prue but it fails and she eventually manages to hoodwink Piper into chanting the spell with her, and it works - with only two of them saying it. With Phoebe alive again, they manage to get her back on their side by using Phoebe's telepathy - Phoebe projects a giant premonition (like the one seen in the original Season Seven where Phoebe sees all the losses they have faced) inside Piper's mind, reminding her of the love, death and loss she has faced in her life. As evil can't love it snaps Piper out of her trance and the sisters go up against the Elders in the Heavens in the finale episode (which I would name Extremus Charmed, Extremus being Latin for final, or last.) They manage to vanquish them using a cocktail of Power of Three spells, potions and calling on all good witches. The episode then ends with Coop proposing to Phoebe and Piper discovering she is pregnant again (hence why Piper and Paige alone managed to work a Power of Three spell) - there is then a flashforward similar to Forever Charmed, but it shows Piper giving birth to a son who she does name Chris, along with a daughter whom she names Melinda Phoebe and Coop marrying and going on to have a daughter of their own; Peyton Halliwell and Paige and Henry go on to have twins - a boy and a girl, who they name Sam and Lilah.

So the births are:

Patricia Andrea 'Trish' Halliwell (b. March 20th, 2000; to Andy and Prue)
Prudence Penelope Halliwell (b. January 19th, 2003; to Cole and Phoebe)
Christopher Darryl Halliwell (b. December 25th, 2006; to Leo and Piper)
Melinda Halliwell (b. June 18th, 2008; to Leo and Piper)
Peyton Faith Halliwell (b. February 14th, 2009; to Coop and Phoebe)
Samuel Henry Mitchell (b. October 31st, 2008; to Henry and Paige)
Lilah Prudence Mitchell (b. October 31st, 2008; to Henry and Paige).

This was originally going to go in the 'Charmed Children' thread but I thought it was better suited here maybe, but my idea is that the next generation aren't 'Charmed', they have a different destiny but you have seven (the most powerfully magical number) offspring - one pure witch, one demon/witch hybrid, two 'witchlighters', one cupid/witch hybrid and two quarter witch, quarter whitelighter hybrids.

[BurkittsvilleGuy88]

The above post sounds good, with the exception that it still follows the Big Bad format. Let's just leave that to Buffy and not still involve it with Charmed

[Astral Alex]

Feb 19, 2012 19:00:42 GMT -5 BurkittsvilleGuy88 said:

The above post sounds good, with the exception that it still follows the Big Bad format. Let's just leave that to Buffy and not still involve it with Charmed

Thanks, but IMO I think that without the 'Big Bad' format, demon of the week is just too boring!

[BurkittsvilleGuy88]

it may have gotten boring, but with less focus on the Ultimate Demons and more on the sisterly bonding elements of the show, it would have been not as crappy in the later seasons. the demonic element took too much of the spotlight off of the charmed ones, especially since the last time we saw a warlock on the show was in the season five episode 'A Witch In Time"

[Astral Alex]

But the show was a SUPERNATURAL show, anyway - it's everybody different tastes. That is my Charmed that I would've liked to have seen, I became bored towards the end of Season Two with the 'demon of the week' thing, but they had a perfect balance in Seasons 3 & 4 which is why they are my favourite seasons.