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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 4:42:47 GMT -5
What about guilt tripping her to marry him despite being told she needs space? "You're all I have Phoebe and I'm not even sure I have that." "No wonder you don't want to marry me." This is human Cole too. Not possessed one. Him being possessed by the Source only adds to his manipulative side, it doesn't control it. I get it - you love Cole but I love Phoebe and being a lot like Prue, I will always be protective over Phoebe first. Is Cole not allowed to express his frustration upon receiving a rejected marriage proposal? It obviously upset & hurt him. He was correct about not being sure if he had Phoebe or not. The truth hurts sometimes. Even Piper called out Phoebe. I love both Phoebe & Cole and agree their relationship ended before S5 began. And, they both needed help. Not just one or the other, or one more than the other. They both needed help, period. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 4:47:24 GMT -5
No, he's not. Marriage is a big decision. A real man would have given the woman he loves a little space. This is why women get abused - they don't set boundaries well enough. From memory, Leo didn't pressure Piper, she came around herself.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 4:58:07 GMT -5
No, he's not. Marriage is a big decision. A real man would have given the woman he loves a little space. This is why women get abused - they don't set boundaries well enough. From memory, Leo didn't pressure Piper, she came around herself. Cole's not allowed to express his feelings? Kind of one-sided, don't you think? And, Leo's proposal wasn't rejected beyond an episode like Cole's was. But, I guess Cole is just to shut up and not say anything 'cause he may upset Phoebe with his own hurt feelings. No wonder he goes crazy by S5E9 "Sam I am". Men (not just Cole) have feelings just like women, and they should equally be heard and validated just as much as women (who can be abusers, too and not just men) |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 6:29:11 GMT -5
Cole is not allowed to pressure Phoebe. Men should never pressure women. I'm a huge feminist at heart so I won't agree with you there so don't bother lol  |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 10:40:40 GMT -5
Cole is not allowed to pressure Phoebe. Men should never pressure women. I'm a huge feminist at heart so I won't agree with you there so don't bother lol Likewise, women shouldn't pressure men, either which Phoebe equally has done, in the relationship like in S3E13 "Bride & Gloom". She pressured him into helping her get Prue back. That being said, I don't think Cole expressing his feelings is a form a "pressure" Even Piper shared the same concerns Cole had with Phoebe. But, I guess because Piper is a woman, it's OK if she addresses it but not Cole 'cause he's a man, give me break! Feminism is about equaity between men & women and not female superiority. If Phoebe gets to vent out her frustrations, Cole can, too. And abusers can be women, as well, not just men. Again equality between the sexes. It's equal even with bad parts and not just the good parts. You don't get to pick and choose what you're equal with men in. There is evidence out there of abusers who are women. I've witnessed it, myself. As a fellow woman, it's disgusting watching some (not all) of my fellow female companions abuse their woman card to hurt good men in legal battles especially regarding children. Without putting my personal story on blast, all I can say is you're wrong 100% in the fact that women cannot be abusers. That is blatantly false. And, I don't think we'll ever have an honest conversation, if you're going to push this false narrative that women cannot be abusers. That's just false, I'm sorry. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 11:09:12 GMT -5
It's not false - its just not aligning with your opinion, thats ok. And Phoebe and Prue also comforted Piper about Piper's proposal but Leo didn't pressure her. Men and women can never be equal. Men are meant to be protectors and love and protect their women, especially in the era Charmed came out. I hate toxic feminism, don't get me wrong but Cole being unable to take no for an answer is not toxic feminism, its harassment.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 11:16:13 GMT -5
It's not false - its just not aligning with your opinion, thats ok. Women being abusers as much as men is NOT an "opinion", though. It's a FACT, and no, it's NOT OK, that you won't address/admit that. Abusive women hurt other women, too especially abusing female atrocities, to their own advantage making it difficult for the REAL female victims to be taken seriously. The rest of the conversation isn't that important, to me to continue with because you're not being honest about bad faith women, in our world. It's NOT OK for you to reduce this reality down/sweep it under the rug, as if it doesn't exist, when it does. Women can equally be abusers as much as a men. This is FACT and not an opinion piece. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 11:25:47 GMT -5
Women can be abusive as moms and sisters and stuff like that, however women cannot abuse men - men are the stronger gender, that's psychologically proven and a biological fact.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 11:44:40 GMT -5
Women can be abusive as moms and sisters and stuff like that, however women cannot abuse men - men are the stronger gender, that's psychologically proven and a biological fact. I still think women can be abusive to men. You never know how you're gonna react. You have men out there who will tense up and freeze and not do anything in a bad situation, and a woman can take advantage of that. And, in legal battles, the system is heavily stacked against men, that abusive women use to their advantage. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 11:53:53 GMT -5
Ok. You're free to believe as you wish.  I'm no one to tell you what you can and cannot believe. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 12:00:09 GMT -5
Ok. You're free to believe as you wish. I'm no one to tell you what you can and cannot believe. Abuse comes in many forms, but I understand, now, why you don't think Piper is abusive towards Leo. 'Cause she's a woman, and he's a man. Though, it's like Piper blowing off a grenade or bomb at Leo with her exploding power, when she does it, to him. I think a man who doesn't fight back, and woman constantly punching, slapping, kicking, etc., him is still being abused despite men being stronger physically. Even if you don't want to call it "abuse", either way the situation is not OK, and a woman shouldn't be doing that to a guy, just because she's the weaker sex and the guy isn't fighting back. |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 12:02:45 GMT -5
Ok, look we're not going to agree on this. We're going in circles - either way I don't feel Phoebe was abusive to Cole but he abused both her and her sisters.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 12:09:18 GMT -5
Ok, look we're not going to agree on this. We're going in circles - either way I don't feel Phoebe was abusive to Cole but he abused both her and her sisters. I'm not talking about the show, right now. I don't think it's OK (even if you don't want to call it "abuse"), that a woman constantly continues to hit, punch, slap, etc., a man even when he doesn't fight back. Or, if the woman makes the first strike, and the man does defend himself, the woman's first instinct shouldn't be to hit, punch, slap, etc., a guy. It blows my mind that this is even a "disagreement". |
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Post by prueislove on Nov 23, 2024 12:12:36 GMT -5
Can we please stop? This is not what this thread is about, doesn't this place have some rules to stop this kind of harassment? It's getting a bit much now.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 12:25:53 GMT -5
Can we please stop? This is not what this thread is about, doesn't this place have some rules to stop this kind of harassment? It's getting a bit much now. You're right, this isn't what this thread is about, but it got brought up, and I followed the conversation. And, "harassment"? Really? I was following the conversation and not "harrassing", anybody. But whatever. As for the thread topic, at hand. I'm still back and forth on it. |
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Post by zack on Nov 23, 2024 15:08:54 GMT -5
What did I step into. LOL I might hold off debating. These conversations I'm reading are way too intense for me, sorry. Some going beyond the show.
Please don't hate me, but can you two dial some of it back. I come to this board to enjoy Charmed not see conversations that are really getting out of hand. Thank-you.
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Post by Aaeiyn on Nov 23, 2024 15:18:13 GMT -5
What did I step into. LOL I might hold off debating. These conversations I'm reading are way too intense for me, sorry. Some going beyond the show. Please don't hate me, but can you two dial some of it back. I come to this board to enjoy Charmed not see conversations that are really getting out of hand. Thank-you. Sorry lol To lighten up the mood, the conversation reminded me of this comedy skit, and the stand up comedian saying conversations with kids gets so abstract and weird. I'll have to share it some time in the off-topic section. But back to the topic, at hand, I find the stance intriguing that being influenced doesn't matter it's still that person's fault. I want to understand that mentality more ;P |
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Post by zack on Nov 23, 2024 15:28:05 GMT -5
What did I step into. LOL I might hold off debating. These conversations I'm reading are way too intense for me, sorry. Some going beyond the show. Please don't hate me, but can you two dial some of it back. I come to this board to enjoy Charmed not see conversations that are really getting out of hand. Thank-you. Sorry lol To lighten up the mood, the conversation reminded me of this comedy skit, and the stand up comedian saying conversations with kids gets so abstract and weird. I'll have to share it some time in the off-topic section. But back to the topic, at hand, I find the stance intriguing that being influenced doesn't matter it's still that person's fault. I want to understand that mentality more ;P You're forgiven! It's okay.
Please do.
Piper and Shane were under possession in Coyote Piper and Charmed Again, and this was pretty clear in the show they "were" under possession not influenced. But in terms of Woogy Phoebe and Cole/Source both had some control over what they did. The show tends to not make it clear what is possession, I just know the Shane and Piper situations were possession where neither had control, unless they tried to fight what the person inside their bodies what doing. More like they were in the drivers seat and the real host of the body became the passenger. If that makes sense.
I don't think its that persons fault in some cases, they struggle to have control. I'd have to compare the situations of all.
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Post by prueislove on Nov 24, 2024 4:40:04 GMT -5
Sorry about that! From now on, if it ever gets heated, I'll just ignore and stop posting, zack. Didn't mean to startle you. And what about warlock Piper and Phoebe? Were they possessed or turned due to Prue being turned?
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Post by zack on Nov 24, 2024 15:26:43 GMT -5
Sorry about that! From now on, if it ever gets heated, I'll just ignore and stop posting, zack. Didn't mean to startle you. And what about warlock Piper and Phoebe? Were they possessed or turned due to Prue being turned? Thank-you. Appreciate that. That's okay, I forgive you.
Back to your question, I'll answer this one more in the other thread discussing possession in more depth. It's interesting.
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