P3Nathan's Season 7 Rewatch

[Chrisaholic]

Aug 8, 2015 12:34:16 GMT -5 @bettynewbie said:

Aug 8, 2015 9:14:05 GMT -5 Chrisaholic said:

A big LOL. And I can't say who I pity more now. The actors, the storyline or the whole episode? At best, all three of them. That's the better truth. I had thought that Avatar crap was done with Cole, yet apparently the writers decided to bring the guys in black back. Nonsense when they even know it ends badly - the man is not made for Utopia! Get that in your head, people. *grgr*

They only brought the Avatars back because they didn't have anything else to do. Killing Chris off at the end of Season 6 left them without a story for Season 7.

This storyline was originally supposed to happen with Cole in late Season 5, but it was cancelled when Julian decided not to renew his contract. When they dusted this storyline off again in Season 7, they just changed a few names around and gave it to Leo.

Great, this is what I would have NOT needed. I mean, this whole Avatar crap seems so unlogical in my eyes. No one was ever able to control humans and their emotions. Indeed, BK and the authors should have continued the Chris storyline further. I mean, we've got to know partly this guy and his secrets and then they left us with nothing but a baby. Hello, the underworld contacts seemed to be forgotten as well. In that case though, these could have been useful in S7, don't you think?! In regard to Zankou on all accounts. Besides, I'm sure that future Chris certainly had pissed of many demons.

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Aug 9, 2015 7:03:24 GMT -5 Chrisaholic said:

Great, this is what I would have NOT needed. I mean, this whole Avatar crap seems so unlogical in my eyes. No one was ever able to control humans and their emotions. Indeed, BK and the authors should have continued the Chris storyline further. I mean, we've got to know partly this guy and his secrets and then they left us with nothing but a baby. Hello, the underworld contacts seemed to be forgotten as well. In that case though, these could have been useful in S7, don't you think?! In regard to Zankou on all accounts. Besides, I'm sure that future Chris certainly had pissed of many demons.

The Chris storyline badly suffered from poor planning on the part of Kern and Co.  The popularity of Chris' character clearly caught them off guard, and they never really figured out a clear direction on what to do with the character.  "Chris-Crossed" offered a glimpse of what the storyline could've been with better writing, but otherwise, Chris ended up being nothing but lost potential for the show, squandered away without any closure.

As far as the Avatar nonsense goes, like I said, it was nothing more than a recycling of an old, cancelled storyline they had planned for Cole in late Season 5.  They only did it because they had nothing else to do in Season 7 at the time, so the end result was a boring, dragging sloppily-written storyline with a horrible, anticlimactic ending.  Fortunately, though, characters like Drake and Zankou helped the show find its footing again in the latter part of the season, although whatever progress late Season 7 made was quickly reversed by the horribleness of Season 8.

[lilchi7212]

Aug 8, 2015 8:28:43 GMT -5 @p3nathan said:

Avatar: The Last Time-Bender
a.k.a. (There's Something About Leo)

We start with Piper sulking at Leo in the attic, because Leo is hiding something. I know he is hiding something, but I don’t know where she got this sulk from since the last episode. But as Piper said “can’t just shut up and be happy, right?”

Leo growls himself back in time a couple of minutes and Alpha and Beta show up.





Alpha: You need to be more careful about your new powers, Leo. Reversing time can be very dangerous.

DUN DUN!
Only not, because it’s two minutes. Chill out. Then again, maybe extra caution is wise considering how badly Cole f***d up.





Beta: They must come to the truth in their own time and in their own way, just as you did.

Just as he did? You tormented him with floaty heads and then hijacked his mind to make your sales pitch! How is that “his own way”?




Piper sulking some more while she’s with her sisters on a demon stake out.

Paige: Why? Why are you so upset with him? He's been an Angel lately.
Piper: Yeah, well, that's the problem. He's been too perfect...

*Eye roll*





Phoebe: Yeah, see, breakfast is not a date. Dinner's a date, lunch is definitely maybe a date. Breakfast? Always just breakfast.

So Phoebe has done dictating what Paige gets to call Kyle, but has moved on to dictating what she gets to call a date. Shut up Phoebe! Besides, I like going out for breakfast. Anyway...




So the invisi-demons want to set up a rival tribe for the innocent’s death or whatever. That’s pretty much all there is to it; otherwise these guys are just your standard forgettable demon boys.





Paige and Brody Boy Wonder’s really awkward date. Yes Phoebe, I called it a date! He turns off two phones, only to be called on his emergency line.

Kyle: Intel just detected another unusual power spike in the area.

That’s an emergency? Anyway, Paige ditches him.




They keep talking about beetle toes for a potion...pretty sure beetles don’t have toes guys.




Phoebe: Darryl actually thinks Brody had something to do with Sheridan's disappearance. Yeah. That's why I'm keeping it low-key. Darryl's on his way over. We're gonna talk about it while Paige is on her date.
Piper: Oh, he's talking to us again?
Phoebe: Kinda. Baby steps.
(Piper rolls her eyes)

Really Piper? I’ll say to you what I said to Phoebe and Paige last season; maybe Darryl would be more receptive if you actually spoke to him as a friend who cares; instead of only giving him the time of day when YOU need something. But yeah sure, roll your eyes, he only spent who knows how long in prison and nearly got executed...his life still isn’t nearly as tough as yours, right Piper?





So anyway, Darryl thinks Brody made Sheridan disappear.

Darryl: No. No magic. I told you. I've done some soul-searching. I wanna help again, but I don't wanna go there anymore.
Phoebe: Darryl, you gotta get over this. I mean, really, one bad experience with magic can't outweigh six years of good, can it?

Okay, I’m not totally with Darryl here, because going to the sisters with this and expecting them not to use magic is just stupid. But really, ONE BAD EXPERIENCE? You only count one Phoebe? I’m so sick of these b!tches completely minimizing his issue, do they seriously think that helps matters? But so long as it’s not them, it’s no big deal I guess.





Piper’s still being a sulky brat and Leo ends up freezing time out of frustration. Alpha and Beta show up again and Alpha seems to be losing patience.

Alpha: This can't keep happening, Leo. We've had this conversation.

Okay, let’s be fair here Alpha. You’ve given the guy a ridiculous amount of power in one sitting. You’ve yet to teach him or give him any real detailed guidance on how to use it... so what do you expect? I don’t think just popping in and saying “woah dude, control your emotions” is really gonna cut it!




Leo tells Piper and Piper blows herself on her arse. Ha! Satisfying.





Piper: Handle what, that you're what everybody is afraid of, even the Elders?

Well to be fair, the Elders know squat. They just don’t want anyone more powerful than them existing.





Elder Sandra orbs down for a chat with Leo.

Sandra: We've detected a power surge, a time shift. That could only mean one thing. The Avatars are making their move.
Leo: How do you know it's them?
Sandra: Because no demon has this kind of power, not since the Source.

Pfft, yeah like the Source was so great in the end.


Sandra: We know they're a threat.
Leo: Why, because they have power?
Sandra: Yes. The kind of power that in the wrong hands could be a danger to us all.

See, with thinking like that, you can see why you’d end up with crazies like Gideon convincing themselves that killing a child is cool because he’s too powerful and could go bad. Leo argues that surely that would that make them bad, since they have great power, but she kinda just dodges the question.




Piper: That sounds like a load of crap.

Hmm. Is this Piper talking to Leo, or Holly talking to the writers?





Piper: And those floating heads that tormented you, they made your life better?
Leo: That was just a way to get my attention, make me open to a new idea.

Pahaha! Urgh, good grief. Do they not hear themselves and how stupid this sounds? Yeah, freaky demon heads just scream “let’s give world peace a try!” to me too.




So having JUST found out about Leo, Phoebe and Paige immediately go to tell Kyle... because they’re idiots. Phoebe especially since she’s just been given reason to suspect Kyle did something seriously dodgy to Sheridan. As soon as Kyle is told, he turns into Brody Boy Nutjob and grabs his Avatar vanquishing potion and his gun.




Paige: Piper, everything, and I mean everything, points to them being bad. Even the Elders think so.

What is with this “even the Elders” line that they keep spouting this episode? Just a few episodes ago they couldn’t care less if they were being killed and now all of a sudden their word is gospel?




Phoebe: I think you need to orb that potion away from him before he does something stupid.

Oh what a novel idea Phoebe! Paige doesn’t... I guess she’s all “Uh, but duh, I can’t orb stuff... uh, that only works on Tuesdays, duh *drool*, I’m an idiot” Anyway, she ends up getting shot by Brody’s tranquilizer.





Piper returns to find Paige unconscious and Brody Boy Nutjob holding Phoebe at gun point. Freeze him Piper, freeze him right now!

Piper: “Uh, but duh Nathan, I can’t freeze people... uh, that only works on Mondays, duh *drool*, I’m an idiot too”





Everything goes slow mo as Leo shoots Kyle through the chest with a lightning bolt (ah, satisfying), but not before Kyle has thrown the potion.


Deus ex machina – ACTIVATE! And we’re back to the scene where Leo is about to tell Piper the truth.





Alpha: You must not try this ever again, Leo. You can never tell Piper about us, not until she's truly ready.

Which will be the very next episode apparently, so this was all pretty pointless huh?




Brody Boy Nutjob and Paige have dinner, Leo and Piper communicate a bit.





Okay next up: Phoebe finds true love and Oded Fehr promises a much better second half.

Um Cole didn't reverse time he manipulated reality

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Um Cole didn't reverse time he manipulated reality

I was speaking generally, i.e: the last guy they turned into an Avatar f***d up badly. So being so cautious about Leo and his powers this time round seems understandable.


Although to be fair to Cole, he had some major plot contrivances and inconsistent Avatar/magic rules working against him. But still...

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Hang in there, only a few more episodes to go before this Avatar rubbish is finished and we get to the good stuff about Season Seven.

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Aug 10, 2015 5:38:12 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

Hang in there, only a few more episodes to go before this Avatar rubbish is finished and we get to the good stuff about Season Seven.

Indeed. Think we've just three more left after this one...


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Phoera Forever
A.k.a. Witchness Protection

In our family portrait we look pretty happy, we look pretty normal... lalalalala. Ahem. So we start with Piper, Leo and sprogs at a photo shoot. Ha, her whole family looks miserable in her presence. I feel for you kids.

The GAS Gang interrupt mid camera flash and ask Leo to save a certain someone being attacked by demons.



Piper is not best pleased... not that that’s news.

Piper: And what, is it like a dog whistle now? Only you can hear it?

Erm, hasn’t that always been the case? Except when they were goddesses?



Kyra is here to inject some much needed fun.

And just as I was enjoying this episode, we’re back to Piper for some more moaning. She’s in full shrew mode thus far.


Paige is getting ready for a dinner date with Kyle, but Phoebe thinks she is dressed too sexy. Yes, you heard me; Phoebe thinks that! Paige’s dress is positively demure compared to a lot of Phoebe’s wardrobe.

Everybody tries to kill Kyra.


Seer: That surly one is your wife?
Ha!


We’re in the underworld with yet another group of horrible, cringe inducing, scenery chewing demons. However, they talk about freeing Zankou; thereby instilling some hope.




Brody (to Paige): Wow. You just say whatever pops into your mind, huh?

Yes she does Kyle; so it’s a shame how much tumble weed has been rolling around in there lately.




Darryl talks to Phoebe about Sheridan again and gives her a pen to help find her.



Piper: B!tch, b!tch, moan, moan, my life’s so hard, woe is me, world's smallest violin, waa waa, etc.




Kyra wants to be made human.

Kyle walks in on her talking about The Gas Gang and Brody Boy Nutjob storms out all frantic.


Looking through photo albums. I can see photos that appear to be from seasons 3, 4 and 5. Wonder where all these went before the series finale.


Phoebe gets all touchy feely with Kyra and they develop more chemistry in a couple of minutes than we’ve seen in a Phoebe scene for months...years even.

To win Phoebe’s trust, Kyra helps her to find Sheridan. I could gripe about how once again Phoebe wastes her own psychic powers while Kyra does the work, but I’m quite enjoying this so far, so I’ll breeze past it. They’ll be plenty of time to b!tch about Phoebe in the future.


Brody Boy Nutjob goes for his potion...again. This time however, Paige manages to cool him down a bit. Kyle tells her he’s done some bad things, but Paige can relate, what with being no stranger to cold blooded murder and all.



Leo informs Elder Grumpus of Kyra’s terms and he once again proves himself to be the most frustratingly stupid of the Elders.

Leo: Well, she could give us everything we need to go after every upper-level demon.
Grumpus: In exchange for making her human? I don't think so. We have more pressing concerns than demons, like the Avatars.

Why not? Who could it possibly hurt? It’d be getting rid of one demon right from the get go! Seriously, there’s no down side to this deal, you moron! And really, you have more pressing concerns than EVERY upper-level demon? Could you possibly be more short-sighted? GAAAAH!




Phoebe: Seer. Get it? She sees things. She's perfectly harmless and actually very good at what she does. I can't hold a candle to her.

Oh quit flirting, you... but also, no arguments here on that last point!




Seer: Oh, come on. Take off your shoes and let me feel the grass through you.

Wait, now they’re saying that demons can’t PHYSICALLY feel? Wow... just when you think the writers can’t be any less sense.


They find Sheridan looking worse for wear in the mental hospital, comatose.



Zankou is freed.

Zankou: Finally. Too bad The Source isn't still alive. I owe him for this.

I’d actually love to see Zankou beat the living sh** out of stupid half-face... but not sure even that would be worth having to watch his overacting again.




Piper and Leo tell Paige about Sheridan, but she’s cool with it.

Paige: He did that to help. To help us. She was gonna expose us.

Erm, yeah... after he helped her to bust you in the first place!



Seer: Thanks. You really care about what happens to me, don't you?
Phoebe: Yeah, I do, I guess.
Seer: That's nice. I like that.
(They smile.)

D’awww! These two are just too damn cute. I’m actually enjoying Phoebe scenes!




Piper: But first things first. We need to get this little demony creature out of the house.

I wish Kyra would just turn round to her and shout “f*** you!”



My affection for Kyra wanes a bit, because she does us no favours here. She gives Phoebe a Utopia vision and of course it involves Phoebe’s offspring... because the fate of the world, peace on earth, it's all about her freakin kids! However, the vision is interrupted by another vision of Zankou killing Kyra in a rather horrible looking way.

Leo reveals the truth...AGAIN. Piper starts having a b!tch fit...AGAIN. Fortunately, Kyra is here to tell them to shut it this time round.

Phoebe and Leo go to show Elder Grumpus the vision of Utopia. Phoebe can share visions now by the way. Sure she’ll make as much use of that as she does her other abilities.

Piper tells Paige what Phoebe saw and Paige has a tantrum...like really, storms into her room and slams the door.

Kyra puts on the pink dress that is supposed to be Phoebe, but clearly isn’t, because I don’t think there’s any chance of Charisma fitting into anything from Alyssa’s wardrobe. But whatever, she looks lovely.

NOTPhoebe walks in and Piper leaves.

Zankou vanquishes her with what looks like some sort of burning ash attack that swarms around her like bees. Looks like a nasty way to go.

Saddened by these events, Piper and Phoebe get Leo to summon The GAS Gang.

[Esmeralda]

Oh, there's absolutely no doubt that you do a fantastic job with this, P3Nathan - I very simply smiled the whole way through. Have you been considering whether you're going to torture yourself and do Season 8 or will you reward yourself (and us) and do Season 1 - I would love to see your reaction to that after watching this!

Does anyone else think that the real reason Phoebe had so many problems finding true love is because she's a closet lesbian? It would be very hard to convince me that her true soul mate isn't Kyra... Truly, as you said, Kyra's the one Phoebe had the most chemistry with... Part of why I truly believe that after Phoebe has Ladybug she'd walk right out on whatever guy gave her to him. (Remember that I trust the flashforward as far as I can throw the Manor...Now if Phoebe was like she is in the comic's Season 9 (she's right back to being herself in Season 10...), I'd feel totally differently.)

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Aug 10, 2015 14:32:53 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Oh, there's absolutely no doubt that you do a fantastic job with this, P3Nathan - I very simply smiled the whole way through. Have you been considering whether you're going to torture yourself and do Season 8 or will you reward yourself (and us) and do Season 1 - I would love to see your reaction to that after watching this!

Does anyone else think that the real reason Phoebe had so many problems finding true love is because she's a closet lesbian? It would be very hard to convince me that her true soul mate isn't Kyra... Truly, as you said, Kyra's the one Phoebe had the most chemistry with... Part of why I truly believe that after Phoebe has Ladybug she'd walk right out on whatever guy gave her to him. (Remember that I trust the flashforward as far as I can throw the Manor...Now if Phoebe was like she is in the comic's Season 9 (she's right back to being herself in Season 10...), I'd feel totally differently.

Thank you very much, I'm glad it made you smile. Hmm, I'm still debating that. Maybe I could go crazy, start two threads and alternate between season 1 and 8. My God, that'd be a strange experience. Could be interesting though haha. Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous!

I totally support Phoebe-Kyra/Phoera as a legitimate ship. Shame it got less time than Leslie, Dex or Coop. I mean, even if it was purely friendship...it was still far more enjoyable than all of the above. And that's after what... three-quarters of an episode?

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I too am in the Phoebe/Kira camp.  Kira was more interesting in the slampieces Phoebe had in the later seasons. 

Too bad Charmed had a show runner who seemed to think it was the 1950's.

[Esmeralda]

Aug 10, 2015 14:51:21 GMT -5 @p3nathan said:

Aug 10, 2015 14:32:53 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Oh, there's absolutely no doubt that you do a fantastic job with this, P3Nathan - I very simply smiled the whole way through. Have you been considering whether you're going to torture yourself and do Season 8 or will you reward yourself (and us) and do Season 1 - I would love to see your reaction to that after watching this!

Does anyone else think that the real reason Phoebe had so many problems finding true love is because she's a closet lesbian? It would be very hard to convince me that her true soul mate isn't Kyra... Truly, as you said, Kyra's the one Phoebe had the most chemistry with... Part of why I truly believe that after Phoebe has Ladybug she'd walk right out on whatever guy gave her to him. (Remember that I trust the flashforward as far as I can throw the Manor...Now if Phoebe was like she is in the comic's Season 9 (she's right back to being herself in Season 10...), I'd feel totally differently).

Thank you very much, I'm glad it made you smile. Hmm, I'm still debating that. Maybe I could go crazy, start two threads and alternate between season 1 and 8. My God, that'd be a strange experience. Could be interesting though haha. Talk about going from the sublime to the ridiculous!

LOL, that would definitely be the case. But if anyone could do it and do a great job with it, I'd put my money on your!

I totally support Phoebe-Kyra/Phoera as a legitimate ship. Shame it got less time than Leslie, Dex or Coop. I mean, even if it was purely friendship...it was still far more enjoyable than all of the above. And that's after what... three-quarters of an episode?

Ah! I was wondering what you meant by Phoera - I didn't put together Phoebe and Kyra... I'm not usually into those combined names things.

But let's put it this way, if their relationship lasted longer than three-quarters of an episode, that would've given Kern more of a chance to completely totally screw up the relationship the way he screwed up so many of them. It's why I'm glad Drake and Henry were around for such a short time. Now if only Leo had gone away after "Love Hurts" and not come back, Kern never would've had a chance to screw up him and Piper..

[Sadrick]

Didn't Piper manipulate Leo into believing that Phoebe was gay when they were competing for his affections early on in Season 1? I remember Leo began to ask Phoebe if she and Aviva were involved before cutting himself off. It was another one of those young implicative relationships that Phoebe seems to have with certain women whom she can relate to.

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I love Phoebe/Kira, myself.  In fact, I even made a few arts of them a while back:





I would've loved to have seen Phoebe come out as bisexual and develop a relationship with Kira.  Much better than Nick Lachey, Dex, Mr. Cardboard, and the rest of the throwaway Hunks of the Week they kept putting her with.

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These are very good, Betty.

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Little Orphan Brody
A.k.a- Ordinary Witches

We start off with Piper and Leo in the kitchen and Piper thinks Utopia sounds too good to be true. First off, I’ll thank them for jumping passed the GAS Gang giving their sales pitch yet again, because I think we’ve heard that more than enough now. Piper is concerned that changing the world because they can is a bit arrogant. I could moan that Piper is whining when she’s being offered what she’s always wanted... but I agree with her concerns, so I’ll let her off on this occasion.

Brody Boy Nutjob breaks in and nearly vanquishes Leo, but Alpha and Beta freeze the scene. Do these two just watch Leo twenty-four seven, waiting for him to nearly die or screw up again? I mean sure, that’s definitely a full time job, but still...


Piper: Oh, you know, nothing. Your boyfriend tried to kill my husband.

Paige looks shocked, shocked I tell ya! Ah come on now Paige, we all do things we’re not proud of, remember?



Phoebe suggests that Paige take Brody back in time to see his parents’ death. She also suggests that they use the power switching spell (sigh, season one) so that Piper can see Phoebe’s Utopia vision. I’m not sure why this is necessary, since I thought she could share visions now, like she did with Elder Grumpus... but hey ho.

We have a scene with Zankou and his minions and basically establish that Zankou has got no time for lippy, annoying minions. I like him.



Paige: Kyle, you tried to kill Leo!
Kyle: I don't care.
Paige: Okay. Even if the Avatars did kill them, Leo wasn't there. How can you even hold him responsible?
Kyle: It was the only way I could get to 'em.

What a catch.
 


Phoebe: I know the power switching spell is in here somewhere. We're used it before.
Piper: Yeah, and if I remember correctly, didn't it bite us in the ass?

Well... not really. You did it to heal Leo and that’s what you did. Sure you ended up switching Prue and Phoebe’s powers too, but you two are the only ones in the room this time, so that shouldn’t be a problem.



Paige and Kyle go through the swirly light and arrive at the same WB lot they always use... but this time we’re supposed to think it’s New York in December.


Piper and Phoebe do the power switching spell, missing a line of the incantation, despite reading from the damn book. So maybe that’s why instead of it being instantaneous like last time, this time they have twinkly lights lackadaisically floating above them, waiting patiently for Zankou to arrive and cause some mischief. Which he does by shooting their powers out the window.

Piper finds her powers in Ms. Mortal across the street, who’s currently blowing up sh*t every which way.

Holy crap, that’s Jon Hamm playing Kyle’s dad! Had no idea!

Kyle finds himself facing the same dilemma that Paige did in “A Paige from the Past” and Phoebe did in “That 70’s Episode”, wishing he could save his parents.




Phoebe finds Mr. Mortal with her powers. It turns out he’s been having visions of his girlfriend cheating on him with his friends and SHE’S kicking HIM out, throwing his stuff on the street, because she thinks he hired an investigator.

Man: Oh, no, honey. No, don't. I... Look, baby, you gotta believe me. I did not hire a private eye to follow you.
Woman: Liar!
Man: Honey, you gotta believe me. (Phoebe pulls up in her car.) Wait, I'm the liar? You're the one having the affairs!
Woman: Well, how did you know about them, huh?

Seriously? I mean, seriously? Then again, he needs to get a backbone, still calling her honey!




Phoebe: It doesn't matter. But I do know you've been seeing certain things, right, things that you can't explain?
Man: Oh, no, no, no. Don't tell me you're sleeping with her too.

Nope. Phoebe’s heart belongs to one woman only... and sadly, she just died.




Phoebe: Short version, I'm a witch. And you have my power of premonition. And if you don't come with me, you're probably gonna get killed by a demon. Got it?

Phoebe says this very, very loudly in the middle of quite a large crowd, but meh, exposure isn’t a thing that happens or anything, right?



Zankou taddles on Leo to the Elders. John DeLancie must not have been available for this episode, because we have another grumpy Elder who essentially fills the same role. We’ll call him Elder Crankus.


Ms. Mortal accidentally freezes Phoebe and Mr. Mortal. We cut back and forth and the way Phoebe and Mr. Mortal are stood has completely changed. Really guys? All you had to do was pause the shot, that’s it! You couldn’t even keep THAT consistent?

Mr and Ms Mortal like the sound of personal gain...and murder, so freeze Piper and Phoebe and run off.

Paige is being a huge harda$$ about changing the past with pretty much everything Kyle says and does. Erm, Paige... I haven’t forgotten Witchstock, much as I’d like to, so do yourself a favour and back off a little, ‘kay?


Leo: Well, you need to find them.
Piper: Yeah, thanks.

Good to know that with all that Avatar juice running through him, Leo’s main power of stating the really f****in’ obvious is still going strong.



Mr and Ms Mortal have gone to Vegas to make the most of Phoebe’s power. Well hey, better than baby-daddy hunting.

Mr. Mortal: Yo, stickman, gimme the horn!”

Wha?


Urgh, now we have this crap. Phoebe shares her vision with Mr. Mortal... dunno how, when she’s powerless, but it happens. Mr. Mortal doesn’t get his own perfect Utopia vision, because that would make sense and would cost more money, so instead he just sees an exact repeat of Phoebe’s. He gets all misty eyed and enlightened about it, which makes no damn sense. All he saw was some woman he just met picking up her stupid non-existent daughter from school. Why the hell does he give a flying fig about this? He didn’t even know demons existed until like five minutes ago and has yet to actually see one, so I can’t see why the world without demons bit would have any impact on him either!

Ronnie: Is that real?
Phoebe: It can be... if we get our powers back.
(He smiles and nods.)

Oh it’s so beautiful. (Wipes tear from cheek). PUKE! Once again, Phoebe’s personal life is made out to be some big gift to the whole damn world! Give me strength!




The Elders try to kill Leo and fail.


Zankou attacks and Mr and Ms. Mortal fend him off. Well, Ms. Mortal does... Mr. Mortal hides, much like Phoebe would. By the way, apparently Phoebe can sense incoming attacks now.


Kyle’s parents are killed, not by the Avatars, but by Celerity Demons (the ones with the bladed clothes from the guardian angel episode). We see Peter Woodard and his wide, crazy eyes yet again, but he’s only in it briefly and mercifully doesn’t say much.


Kyle comforts himself. That sounded wrong. Erm... Kyle supports his grieving past self. Yeah seriously, if anything completely screws up the timeline, it ought to be this, but apparently it’s not an issue, because whatever. Oh and Kyle grabs a potion, which should surely mean it wasn’t there for his past self to pick up, which would change the timeline for sure? But yeah, again, whatever.


Piper: I mean, I saw how just one glimpse changed that man forever.

(Groan) Thank you future Phoebe for having a sprog; it really made world peace worth it!



So all the sisters are on board with Utopia now, but we cut to Kyle with his potion and basically nothing has changed with him whatsoever.


Next up- We’re gonna change the world. Make it a better place. For you and for me... and the entire human race. (Waves arms and sways)



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I've been thinking about what I'll do after this season and I have come to a decision. I have decided that once I'm done with season 7, I will make two threads- one for season 8 and one for season 1. Hoping to deal with the pain of the final season a little better by alternating between that and the first. I was debating whether to do season 8 at all, but I have decided that I'd like to. Well... I'm interested in doing so anyway. I've NEVER rewatched season 8 as a whole. In fact there are only two or three episodes in that whole season that I've watched more than once after they aired, so I am curious to see how I'll respond all these years later. 
I don't have season 8 in my collection though and I'd rather throw my money in the toilet than buy it. But fortunately, or unfortunately, my friend does....



Sigh, the things I do for you people  
So anyway, she's lending it to me so I can rewatch. I feel the evil just having it in my house, but I'll power through it. And at least I'll have the season one episodes to look forward to in between forty minute segments of torture.

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Another great review, P3Nathan!  This is a pretty long and hard stretch of the show to get through, but there IS a light at the end of the tunnel... at least, until Season 8.

Interesting, though, that you'll be doing Seasons 1 and 8 at the same time.  What a world of difference those two seasons are!  BTW, will you also watch the original pilot with Lori Rom?  I believe it's included on the Season 8 DVD.

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Aug 13, 2015 10:34:33 GMT -5 @bettynewbie said:

Another great review, P3Nathan!  This is a pretty long and hard stretch of the show to get through, but there IS a light at the end of the tunnel... at least, until Season 8.

Interesting, though, that you'll be doing Seasons 1 and 8 at the same time.  What a world of difference those two seasons are!  BTW, will you also watch the original pilot with Lori Rom?  I believe it's included on the Season 8 DVD.

Thank you very much.
Yes it should be a very interesting experience haha. I hadn't thought of that, but actually I might do. While I don't own my own season 8 box set, I do have the bonus disc with the unaired pilot on it. Could be interesting comparing aired and unaired.

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Fantastic job as always, P3Nathan - I wish I'd remember that reading your reviews at work is *not* a good idea...but, hey, I see it's here and I have to!!!

But, being Es, here's the part that interested me the most:

Aug 13, 2015 9:46:16 GMT -5 @p3nathan said:

IN OTHER NEWS

I've been thinking about what I'll do after this season and I have come to a decision. I have decided that once I'm done with season 7, I will make two threads- one for season 8 and one for season 1. Hoping to deal with the pain of the final season a little better by alternating between that and the first. I was debating whether to do season 8 at all, but I have decided that I'd like to. Well... I'm interested in doing so anyway. I've NEVER rewatched season 8 as a whole. In fact there are only two or three episodes in that whole season that I've watched more than once after they aired, so I am curious to see how I'll respond all these years later. 
I don't have season 8 in my collection though and I'd rather throw my money in the toilet than buy it. But fortunately, or unfortunately, my friend does....



Sigh, the things I do for you people  
So anyway, she's lending it to me so I can rewatch. I feel the evil just having it in my house, but I'll power through it. And at least I'll have the season one episodes to look forward to in between forty minute segments of torture.

ROFL!

But I can't begin to tell you how happy I am and how excited I am that you've decided to do Season 8 this way - getting to watch you compare these two so-very-different season, the first the start of the actual series, "Charmed" and the second the last of the horrible alternate-universe spin-off, "The Perils of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper" aka "PhoeME and Her Fantasy Men" aka "Two Witches Plus One Living Whitelighter Equals the Power of Three?" should be absolutely hilarious!! Thank you so very, very much for all you do for us!!!

Actually since it's been so long since I've seen Season 7, reading these are reminding me a lot of a lot of stuff I've forgotten so I'm wondering if the same thing will happen with Season 8, especially when I've only seen each of those exactly once - the first time they were aired.

Gotta admit - CAN'T WAIT!!

I'm very curious to see your review for the next one - the penultimate episode in my book - when the sisters changed the entire world just to make things better for themselves - to hell with the rest of the world and their free will - the greatest gift God ever gave them. Why didn't the Cleaners come in and erase these three?? Why, WHY, WHY???

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Aug 13, 2015 10:52:07 GMT -5 @p3nathan said:

I hadn't thought of that, but actually I might do. While I don't own my own season 8 box set, I do have the bonus disc with the unaired pilot on it. Could be interesting comparing aired and unaired.

Well, there were quite a few differences between the two besides the people playing Phoebe and Andy, so why not?

It's annoying, though, that you have to buy the Season 8 DVD to get the original pilot. Of course, it's also annoying that none of the other DVDs have any special features.

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Kyle’s parents are killed, not by the Avatars, but by Celerity Demons (the ones with the bladed clothes from the guardian angel episode). We see Peter Woodard and his wide, crazy eyes yet again, but he’s only in it briefly and mercifully doesn’t say much.

After this, Kyle's continued hatred of the Avatars makes no sense.  His whole motivation against them was that he thought they killed his parents.  Well, as it turns out, they didn't.  So why does he still hate them?

I will make two threads- one for season 8 and one for season 1. Hoping to deal with the pain of the final season a little better by alternating between that and the first.

I look forward to them.


Hang in there, only two more Avatar episodes left.

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Aug 10, 2015 21:24:50 GMT -5 @bettynewbie said:

I love Phoebe/Kira, myself.  In fact, I even made a few arts of them a while back:





I would've loved to have seen Phoebe come out as bisexual and develop a relationship with Kira.  Much better than Nick Lachey, Dex, Mr. Cardboard, and the rest of the throwaway Hunks of the Week they kept putting her with.

I love these. Especially that banner.

Aug 13, 2015 10:57:02 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

But I can't begin to tell you how happy I am and how excited I am that you've decided to do Season 8 this way - getting to watch you compare these two so-very-different season, the first the start of the actual series, "Charmed" and the second the last of the horrible alternate-universe spin-off, "The Perils of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper" aka "PhoeME and Her Fantasy Men" aka "Two Witches Plus One Living Whitelighter Equals the Power of Three?" should be absolutely hilarious!! Thank you so very, very much for all you do for us!!!

Hahaha. You're very welcome. Much as I b!tch and gripe, I can't deny I'm enjoying it for the most part. I say that now, we'll see how I am into season 8... I'll have the whisky ready.

Aug 13, 2015 11:13:53 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

After this, Kyle's continued hatred of the Avatars makes no sense.  His whole motivation against them was that he thought they killed his parents.  Well, as it turns out, they didn't.  So why does he still hate them?

Yeah, I'm getting quite ready to see the back of Kyle. Frankly, Beta's lightning bolt can't come quick enough as far as I'm concerned.