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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 6:56:03 GMT -5
Just wondering if anyone knows how many times Prue's name was used/said after she had died.
I'm guessing 18 episodes?
Anyone know?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 23:21:56 GMT -5
I honestly couldn't tell you.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Sept 1, 2015 1:47:54 GMT -5
Same here unless you went over all season 4-8 episode scripts and read them through that is.
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Post by West on Sept 1, 2015 3:11:58 GMT -5
I did the seasons using scripts, but just looking for the words prue, made life easier to find them using the find key under edit.
Season 4 Episodes
Okay well Charmed Again Part 1 and 2 and Hell Hath No Fury we all know had tones of mentions.
Enter The Demon
Size Matters
A Knight To Remember
Brain Drain
Black as Cole
Muses to My Ears
A Paige of the Past
Trail by Magic
Lost and Bound
Charmed and Dangerous
The Three Faces of Phoebe
Marry Go Round
The Fifth Halliwheel
Saving Private Leo
Bite Me
Were off to see the Wizard
Long Live The Queen
Womb Raider
Witch Way Now
Season 4 Count Total Prue Mentions: 15 Episodes No Mentions: 7 episodes
Season 5 Episodes
A Witches Tale Part 1 A Witches Tale Part 2 Happily Ever After Siren Song Witches in Tights The Eyes Have It
Sympathy For The Demon
A Witch in Time Sam I Am Y Tu Mummy Tambien The Importance of Being Phoebe
Centennial Charmed
House Call San Franisco Dreamin The Day the Magic Died
Babys First Demon
Lucky Charmed
Cat House
Nymphs Just Want To Have Fun Sense & Sense Ability Necromancing The Stone
Oh My Goddess, Pt 1
Oh My Goddess, Pt 2
Season 5 Count Total Prue Mentions: 6 Episodes No Mentions: 16 episodes
Season 6 episodes
Valhalley of the Dolls, Pt 2
Chris Crossed
Prince Charmed
Hyde School Reunion
Crimes and Witch Demeanors
Season 6 Count Total Prue Mentions: 5 Episodes No Mentions: 17 episodes
Season 7 Episodes
Cheaper By the Coven
Styx Feet Under
Seven Year Witch
Scry Hard
Something Wicca This Way Goes?
Season 7 Count Total Prue Mentions: 5 Episodes No Mentions: 17 episodes
Season 8 Episodes
Kill Billie Vol. 1
Forever Charmed
Season 8 Count Total Prue Mentions: 2 Episodes (worst ever) No Mentions: 20 episodes
Total Prue mentions during seasons 4 through 8: 32 Episodes Total
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 1, 2015 4:58:23 GMT -5
I did the seasons using scripts, but just looking for the words prue, made life easier to find them using the find key under edit. Season 4 EpisodesOkay well Charmed Again Part 1 and 2 and Hell Hath No Fury we all know had tones of mentions. Enter The Demon Size Matters A Knight To RememberBrain Drain
Black as Cole
Muses to My Ears A Paige of the Past
Trail by Magic Lost and Bound
Charmed and Dangerous
The Three Faces of Phoebe
Marry Go Round
The Fifth Halliwheel
Saving Private Leo
Bite Me
Were off to see the Wizard
Long Live The Queen
Womb Raider
Witch Way Now
Season 4 Count Total Prue Mentions: 15 Episodes No Mentions: 7 episodes
Season 5 Episodes
A Witches Tale Part 1 A Witches Tale Part 2 Happily Ever After Siren Song Witches in Tights The Eyes Have It
Sympathy For The Demon
A Witch in Time Sam I Am Y Tu Mummy Tambien The Importance of Being Phoebe
Centennial Charmed
House Call San Franisco Dreamin The Day the Magic Died
Babys First Demon
Lucky Charmed
Cat House
Nymphs Just Want To Have Fun Sense & Sense Ability Necromancing The Stone
Oh My Goddess, Pt 1
Oh My Goddess, Pt 2
Season 5 Count Total Prue Mentions: 6 Episodes No Mentions: 16 episodes
Season 6 episodes
Valhalley of the Dolls, Pt 2Chris Crossed Prince Charmed
Hyde School Reunion
Crimes and Witch DemeanorsSeason 6 Count Total Prue Mentions: 5 Episodes No Mentions: 17 episodes Season 7 Episodes
Cheaper By the Coven
Styx Feet Under
Seven Year Witch
Scry Hard
Something Wicca This Way Goes?
Season 7 Count Total Prue Mentions: 5 Episodes No Mentions: 17 episodes
Season 8 Episodes
Kill Billie Vol. 1
Forever Charmed
Season 8 Count Total Prue Mentions: 2 Episodes (worst ever) No Mentions: 20 episodes
Total Prue mentions during seasons 4 through 8: 32 Episodes TotalVery good job, West! I started doing this, the same way you did, but rather than copying the quotes, I just posted the title of the episode and how many mentions were in that episode, but when I got halfway through it, I accidentally deleted the whole thing and didn't have time to do it all over again. This is a whole lot better. Just to make it easier on others, I'm going to summarize your findings here, putting them in quotes in order to give you proper credit. Season 4 Count Total Prue Mentions: 15 Episodes No Mentions: 7 episodes Season 5 Count Total Prue Mentions: 6 Episodes No Mentions: 16 episodes Season 6 Count Total Prue Mentions: 5 Episodes No Mentions: 17 episodes Season 7 Count Total Prue Mentions: 5 Episodes No Mentions: 17 episodes Season 8 Count Total Prue Mentions: 2 Episodes (worst ever) No Mentions: 20 episodes Total Prue mentions during seasons 4 through 8: 32 Episodes Total And if you turn that into Seasons 5 through 8, then it’s just 18 out of 88 with most of those only having 1 or 2 mentions. Truly Kern wanted us to forget that Prue ever existed.
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Post by West on Sept 1, 2015 5:06:19 GMT -5
Thanks good job ES putting it all together.
If it wasn't for the edit and find button, it would of taken me ages to find all Prue mentions. I'm glad its here for all fans and new fans to find to reference.
Exactly, he wanted us to forget about her. But I will put more blame on Kern, as half the writing crew left, and only the ones who came in during the Paige era would not even remember Prue. So yeah it made sense.
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Post by Sadrick on Sept 1, 2015 5:17:18 GMT -5
Only 32? Really? It's not like Prue was an integral part to the sisterhood or the storyline. I suppose the writers and Kern wanted our memories to be wiped that any older sister other Piper existed like Esmeralda put it.
Well too bad. I continue to watch and cherish those first three seasons with Prue. If I have to choose between either them or S4-8 then I'll take the former.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 1, 2015 5:43:14 GMT -5
Only 32? Really? It's not like Prue was an integral part to the sisterhood or the storyline. I suppose the writers and Kern wanted our memories to be wiped that any older sister other Piper existed like Esmeralda put it. Well too bad. I continue to watch and cherish those first three seasons with Prue. If I have to choose between either them or S4-8 then I'll take the former. You and me, both, Sadrick. All part of why I count S4-8 as an alternate-universe spin-off where the only thing that's the same is the name of the characters. As West safid, all of those new writers have a lot to do with that. I'm not sure if that was Kern or Aaron Spelling or TheWB who did that, but they did Charmed no favor.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Sept 1, 2015 9:15:33 GMT -5
Yeah the fact Prue was hardly mentioned season 4 onwards and even less so season 5 gone was not good if you ask me after everything she'd done and what sacrifices she made seeing how Prue was part of the furniture and things it beggars belief the writers just forget her like she wasn't an integral part of the show beforehand or a Halliwell relative or anything.
Prue should've been mentioned more definitely or if not had been the one who flipped the book of shadows by itself then than Grams doing it which would've been a lovely nod there and something fans had liked also.
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Post by adzpower on Sept 1, 2015 9:28:26 GMT -5
Ok, devil's advocate here, I don't think its that big of a deal that Prue wasn't mentioned much after season 5, in fact its completely natural to stop talking about a loss once you're done with your grieving. When my grandma died I was really upset, we were very close, and the first few months after it were sad and miserable, but after that I started to remember the happy memories and move on and not think of her anymore, not because I was forgetting her, but because there really was no need to keep interjecting her name into every conversation I was partaking in. I think its perfectly normal that they stopped talking about her, they have lives of their own to get on with and they couldn't just spend every episode sitting by the coffee table moping that Prue was dead, they had to get on with life and continue their "destiny" as it were. If they'd made a point to mention Prue in every episode then the show itself could have never moved on imo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 9:46:17 GMT -5
Thanks for putting that list together, West73.
No surprise that the Prue mentions plummeted after Season 4, and they also became increasingly less respectful. The way Prue was "honored" in "Forever Crap" still disgusts me to this day.
Kern really wanted everyone to forget Prue's existence, didn't he? Sad thing is, it may have also inadvertently hurt Paige's character development. Her entire pre-Halliwell history and backstory was pretty much forgotten, and she was treated as if she had always known Piper and Phoebe. She became more and more of a Power of Three fill-in and less of an individual character.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 11:34:58 GMT -5
As I said, it was like something out of George Orwell's 1984: Paige is the third Charmed One, Paige has always been the third Charmed One.
Prue became an unperson.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Sept 1, 2015 12:14:30 GMT -5
As I said, it was like something out of George Orwell's 1984: Paige is the third Charmed One, Paige has always been the third Charmed One. Prue became an unperson. Hated that book in high school
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Post by lilchi7212 on Sept 1, 2015 12:19:46 GMT -5
Thanks for putting that list together, West73. No surprise that the Prue mentions plummeted after Season 4, and they also became increasingly less respectful. The way Prue was "honored" in "Forever Crap" still disgusts me to this day. Kern really wanted everyone to forget Prue's existence, didn't he? Sad thing is, it may have also inadvertently hurt Paige's character development. Her entire pre-Halliwell history and backstory was pretty much forgotten, and she was treated as if she had always known Piper and Phoebe. She became more and more of a Power of Three fill-in and less of an individual character. Do you think Paige had a issue about being compared to Prue cause it seemed like it when she first started out being a witch?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 16:04:27 GMT -5
Do you think Paige had a issue about being compared to Prue cause it seemed like it when she first started out being a witch? Definitely early on. However, like a lot of things about Paige's character, it became just as forgotten as Prue in the later seasons.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Sept 1, 2015 18:17:21 GMT -5
Do you think Paige had a issue about being compared to Prue cause it seemed like it when she first started out being a witch? Definitely early on. However, like a lot of things about Paige's character, it became just as forgotten as Prue in the later seasons. I don't think they had totally forgotten about Prue if they still mention her name in later seasons. It's hardly like when Cole was vanquished they hardly ever mentioned him at all in later seasons.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 1, 2015 21:35:03 GMT -5
Ok, devil's advocate here, I don't think its that big of a deal that Prue wasn't mentioned much after season 5, in fact its completely natural to stop talking about a loss once you're done with your grieving. When my grandma died I was really upset, we were very close, and the first few months after it were sad and miserable, but after that I started to remember the happy memories and move on and not think of her anymore, not because I was forgetting her, but because there really was no need to keep interjecting her name into every conversation I was partaking in. I think its perfectly normal that they stopped talking about her, they have lives of their own to get on with and they couldn't just spend every episode sitting by the coffee table moping that Prue was dead, they had to get on with life and continue their "destiny" as it were. If they'd made a point to mention Prue in every episode then the show itself could have never moved on imo. You definitely have a point and if they constantly mentioned Prue as much as they did during "Charmed Again, Part One" (30 times), I'd agree with you totally. But not when it wasn't even a full year after her death (a death that was sudden; something they had no chance to prepare for) and there was that huge gap near the end of Season Four and the start of Season Five when there was hardly any mention at all. That's not moving on; that's suppressing, and that's not good for you. And, yes, I know why - we had to concentrate on Phoebe and Cole, not Prue. But when Phoebe was the Queen of the Underworld - that's so when we should've seen Piper pining for her big sister... And, of course, that's the other reason why we didn't see what we should've seen - then Piper couldn't suddenly be the big sister she never was or Phoebe the middle sister and Paige the baby. Had they continued to lean on Prue's memory, Prue would've remained the Big Sister she always should've been, while Piper could've remained the Middle Sister, the Heart of the family, Phoebe the loveable Baby and Paige the Only Child she was raised as. No, we had to make things "fresh" by totally screwing stuff up. I know I keep saying this, but it's so true. It's all why I will continue to consider S4-8 an alternate-universe spin-off where the only thing similar are the names. Besides, Prue wasn't their grandmother who they only saw once in a while - she was their surrogate mother and leader, and someone they saw every day.. I would've loved Piper to wonder what Prue would've done in a certain situation, or start calling out for her and then realize she's not there. What happened in "Hell Hath No Fury" was the start of the grieving process, but not the end by any means. And as others have said elsewhere, if there'd been more time to grieve, we might have had more time to get to know Paige and her family - her aunt and uncle and her coworkers - better, rather than her suddenly being part of the family so quickly, all done to make us concentrate on Kern's Power of Three, not forget the original and much-better set. Which is why I believe Kern never tried to get Shannen Doherty back. Once Piper had Wyatt then the fewer mentions didn't bother me that much - he was what truly helped her move on, which is why I've never let people use grieving for Prue as an excuse for her horrible behavior in S6-8 (including "Oh, My Goddess!", which I always count as part of S6). But up to that point, yes, it truly did.
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Post by West on Sept 1, 2015 21:46:30 GMT -5
Well I wished we got a one year anniversary of her death and visit to her gravestone. That is something worth noting. They never brought her up or go oh can't believe its been a year already.
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Post by lilchi7212 on Sept 1, 2015 22:01:07 GMT -5
Well I wished we got a one year anniversary of her death and visit to her gravestone. That is something worth noting. They never brought her up or go oh can't believe its been a year already. They may have visited her grave off screen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 23:41:35 GMT -5
There is a precedent for this. When Suzanne Somers got booted off Three's Company, after a nasty contract dispute, back in 1980, her character, Chrissy Snow, was treated as if she never existed. Jack (John Ritter) and Janet (Joyce DeWitt) never mentioned Chrissy's name again. And, unlike Prue, Chrissy was alive (the producers had sent her home to look after her ailing mother).
Mind you, that might have had something to do with how nasty the contract dispute got. Both John Ritter and Joyce DeWitt would not speak to Suzanne Somers for decades afterword.
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