What powers could Phoebe's Half Cupid/Half Witch kids have?

[tristancloud]

Yes but that screenshot was an alternate future that has been changed. In that future the Avatars' Utopia was still in effect and only lasted for an episode. Even if that was the current timeline, you could easily assume she is the only daughter old enough to be in the same age class as Wyatt and Chris. From a writer standpoint, they only had her with Wyatt and Chris because those are the only Charmed offspring we knew of at the time. Why would Leo and Piper be sending Phoebe's daughter off to school without her mother there? Where are the other Charmed cousins? The only thing that makes logical sense is for her to be Piper and Leo's son. I understand she didn't call them mom or dad, but neither did Wyatt or Chris. You can choose to believe it was someone else, but there is no question in my mind what the writers intended. They wanted each of the Charmed ones to have 3 children each. Their own little power of 3. Not that they'd magically be considered a new power of 3. Phoebe even mentions in season 8 how she wants her daughter to kick butt in groups of 3.

It's just so funny because I didn't mean for this board to be a discussion of how many children the Charmed ones truly had at all haha. Just a simple conversation of the possible witch/Cupid hybrid powers. Anyone else have any ideas how love could have been turned into a weapon when mixed with a witch's genes?

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Sept 9, 2015 22:55:03 GMT -5 tristancloud said:

Even if that was the current timeline, you could easily assume she is the only daughter old enough to be in the same age class as Wyatt and Chris. From a writer standpoint, they only had her with Wyatt and Chris because those are the only Charmed offspring we knew of at the time. Why would Leo and Piper be sending Phoebe's daughter off to school without her mother there? Where are the other Charmed cousins? The only thing that makes logical sense is for her to be Piper and Leo's son. I understand she didn't call them mom or dad, but neither did Wyatt or Chris. You can choose to believe it was someone else, but there is no question in my mind what the writers intended. They wanted each of the Charmed ones to have 3 children each.

Let me introduce you to Roland Barthes and "Death of the Author":

Death of the Author is a concept from literary criticism which holds that an author's intentions and biographical facts (the author's politics, religion, etc) should hold no weight when coming to an interpretation of their writing; that is, that a writer's interpretation of his own work is no more valid than the interpretations of any of the readers.

Intentions are one thing. What was actually accomplished might be something very different.

The logic is fairly simple: Books are meant to be read, not written, and so the ways readers interpret them are more important and "real" than the ways writers write them. There are also the more practical facts that a lot of authors are not available or not willing to comment on their intentions, and even when they are, artists don't always make choices for reasons that make sense or are easily explained to others — or, in some cases, even to themselves.

You're giving WAY too much weight to authorial intent, which is NOT what canon is supposed to be. Canon is independent of the writer's own thoughts and feelings. It's what's explicitly and directly presented in the work and nothing more. Any inferences taken from a work are FANON, period... And, no one fanon is more "right" than the other, because otherwise, it'd be canon.

Sept 9, 2015 22:55:03 GMT -5 tristancloud said:

Their own little power of 3. Not that they'd magically be considered a new power of 3. Phoebe even mentions in season 8 how she wants her daughter to kick butt in groups of 3.

Two boys and a token girl isn't a Power of Three. It's the Smurfette Principle.

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Take a look at TV Tropes, Tristan, they know what they're talking about here.

[tristancloud]

Two boys and a token girl isn't a Power of Three

No, but they wouldn't be considered an actual Power of 3. Each of the Charmed ones have 3 children to symbolize the power of 3. Also they didn't even realize boys could be witches in the first half of season 1. 

You're giving WAY too much weight to authorial intent, which is NOT what canon is supposed to be. Canon is independent of the writer's own thoughts and feelings. It's what's explicitly and directly presented in the work and nothing more. Any inferences taken from a work are FANON, period... And, no one fanon is more "right" than the other, because otherwise, it'd be canon.

If a character in any given tv show or movie said "Yes I have 2 boys and 1 girl" and then 2 boys and a girl walked up to her, we as the audience are meant to assume those are her 3 children. She doesn't have to look at them and say "Oh hello children of mine" for the audience to realize they are her children. In fact it would make the show seem even more scripted and unnatural if they just walked around proving characters were truly related. In a 5 minute segment that wraps up the rest of the sisters' lives, they didn't have the time to sit down and tell us everyone's names. They told us exactly how many children Phoebe and Paige had because they'd never given birth in the show before.


You really can choose to believe whatever interpretation you want to believe. I'm not trying to convince you to change how you've imagined the series in your mind. I'm jut explaining how I, and 90% of the other Charmed fans view it. It's up to the individual to choose what they believe and don't believe about a movie or tv show. For example, J.K. Rowling has said that Dumbledore was a homosexual in the Harry Potter books. However it never once says he is a homosexual in the books, therefore I don't believe it. Had it been heavily implied and the author clarified it, that may change my opinion. However in Charmed, they literally show each of the individual Charmed Ones with their children. It would make no sense for the little girl to be anyone else besides Piper's daughter. Otherwise we could infer that Paige's son's name is literally "Little Henry" because that's what she calls him. Assuming anything else would be fanon right?

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Sept 10, 2015 14:25:48 GMT -5 tristancloud said:

If a character in any given tv show or movie said "Yes I have 2 boys and 1 girl" and then 2 boys and a girl walked up to her, we as the audience are meant to assume those are her 3 children.

Problem is, Piper didn't actually say that. In fact, Piper NEVER mentioned having a daughter in her voiceover:

[Cut to Manor, Present. Piper writes.]

Piper: (Voice Over) So that Paige could pass on all that she’d learned, not just to her own children, or to mine, or to Phoebe’s…

[Scene: Manor, future. Piper and Leo are in the parlor. Piper hands out lunch bags to two boys and a girl.]

Piper: See you later.

(The children leave. Piper and Leo kiss.)

Piper: (Voice Over) But to other future witches and Whitelighters as well.

[Scene: Manor. Chris and Wyatt are mixing up a potion.]

Piper: (Voice Over) Which filled the time between when we were doing the fighting, and when our kids were old enough to take over.

(Chris adds something and there’s a small explosion.)

[Scene: Manor, kitchen. Piper is cooking something on the stove.]

Piper: (Voice Over) Allowing me time to get back to my roots and cook something other than potions, for once. (Piper tastes the sauce.) And open the restaurant I’d always dreamed of owning. (She puts the spoon down and pours it in.) As for Leo, after we reclaimed Magic School…

And, notice how that future potion mixing scene only included Wyatt and Chris. If they had a sister, then why wasn't she also there? Why wouldn't she get to be included in their demon fighting? I cannot believe that Piper/Leo or Wyatt/Chris would be such raging sexists to arbitrarily exclude her (such HORRIBLE implications, there, if she does exist).

Sept 10, 2015 14:25:48 GMT -5 tristancloud said:

It would make no sense for the little girl to be anyone else besides Piper's daughter. Otherwise we could infer that Paige's son's name is literally "Little Henry" because that's what she calls him. Assuming anything else would be fanon right?

Not an equal comparison. That boy was literally called Henry Jr. and identified as Paige's son ONSCREEN, so that's his canon identity, no matter what. Mystery Girl, on the other hand, was given no such identity onscreen, so it's up in the air who she could be.

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I, and 90% of the other Charmed fans view it

90% of other Charmed fans!?  Can you personally cite any of the "90% of other Charmed fans" you mention here?  If you can, please do so. 

Clearly you weren't around during the Melinda Fallout at the old TCS board.

[tristancloud]

Clearly you weren't around during the Melinda Fallout at the old TCS board.

Nope I'm brand new here at The Charmed Cafe! I've been on other Charmed sites though (Most notably CRP, Charmed Replica Pages). I've just never spoken to anyone in person or online who has thought Piper only had 2 children before in the 9 years since the show ended. So I didn't know that was even an interpretation people had! 

That boy was literally called Henry Jr. and identified as Paige's son ONSCREEN, so that's his canon identity, no matter what

[Scene: Police Station, Future. Henry brings in a teen.]



Paige: (Voice Over) Henry of course, continued to look after his parolees, even if they didn’t want to be looked after… (Henry sees Paige and the kids, a boy and two girls.) While still making time to help me with little Henry and the twins.



(He kneels down and the kids hug him. They squeal with delight.)


He was never called Henry Jr. Only Little Henry. By the "Death of the Author" thought process, the "Jr." isn't in his name at all. 

Problem is, Piper didn't actually say that. In fact, Piper NEVER mentioned having a daughter in her voiceove
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I know, I'm saying that if any generic character was put in a similar situation, we as the audience are expected to interpret the meaning behind the scene. It isn't necessary to have everything explicitly stated.

And, notice how that future potion mixing scene only included Wyatt and Chris. If they had a sister, then why wasn't she also there? Why wouldn't she get to be included in their demon fighting? I cannot believe that Piper/Leo or Wyatt/Chris would be such raging sexists to arbitrarily exclude her (such HORRIBLE implications, there, if she does exist).

Yes because Wes Ramsey and Drew Fuller are actors who have been established as Charmed offspring. Also their sister could easily be reading them the ingredients from the book of shadows or taking care of an innocent. 

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Sept 10, 2015 19:29:46 GMT -5 tristancloud said:

I've just never spoken to anyone in person or online who has thought Piper only had 2 children before in the 9 years since the show ended. So I didn't know that was even an interpretation people had!

You've clearly never heard of the Charmed Sons campaign:

At the end of Season 5 of the popular WB television series “Charmed”, fans were introduced to “Chris Perry”, a mysterious figure from the future whose motives were unclear. Immediately, they were intrigued. Who was this young man? What was his connection to the sisters? Was he, as many had speculated, Wyatt from the future? This intrigue carried over into the sixth season when Drew Fuller, the actor who portrayed Chris, became a regular member of the cast. Many speculated as to who Chris was and why he was here, but mostly, they were curious and wanted to learn more.

When the episode “Chris Crossed” aired, it was the first time Chris’ identity and purpose were revealed to the audience. It pitted him against an adult and quite evil Wyatt from the future, played by Wes Ramsey. The episode yielded the highest ratings for the series in three years at over 6 million viewers.

Fans were hooked.

The chemistry between the two actors was palpable. The dynamics between the characters provided ample opportunity for exploration. What happened to set Wyatt down this evil path? What was his relationship like with his younger brother? What role did their parents play in their lives? And most importantly, was Chris successful in altering the future or was his death in vain?

Then, in season 7 rather inexplicably the storyline was all but dropped completely, and the character of adult Chris did not return, save for a brief appearance in an episode where he appeared to his father in a dream.

For many fans, this was unacceptable.

Several had joined and connected to one another through a popular web site devoted to discussing television programs. One night in April of 2005 two of these fans, women who had met through this forum, were chatting on yahoo instant messenger. They bonded over their interest in the characters Chris and Wyatt and were discussing the possibility of a spin off centered around the popular Halliwell brothers. That’s when the Charmed Sons was born.

The Charmed Sons has one purpose: To convince a network to create a Charmed spin off about the brothers who had rejuvenated the show in its sixth season, with Drew Fuller and Wes Ramsey as the leads.

They decided to launch a message board, hoping to rally support to get this show made. Within a month, The Charmed Sons already had 71 members.

Then, a major setback occurred.

The host of the site crashed, completely wiping out the board resulting in lost threads and posts, but more importantly momentum., Undeterred, The Charmed Sons and its dedicated staff moved to webboard toolbox in June and started over.

The members and staff began to take action. They created postcards with the images of Drew Fuller and Wes Ramsey as Chris and Wyatt, requesting a spin-off, and flooded the WB network. They frequented other Charmed related message boards in an attempt to draw interest in a spin-off.

People started to notice.

Within three months, their numbers soared to nearly 700 members and continues to grow. The majority of members are women in their twenties and thirties. Many members are former Charmed viewers who have lost interest in Charmed and stopped watching, but very much wish to see a Charmed spin off centered around the Halliwell brothers and are supporting the quest to achieve that.

One night, a staff member asked if it was known whether the actors themselves would be interested in a spin-off. The staff decided to ask them. Drew Fuller was asked and confirmed his interest through his official website “www.drewfullerfan.com”. Wes Ramsey proved a bit more challenging to contact. One of the founders of the Charmed Sons contacted his publicist and asked if he’d be willing to speak with the members of the site. They knew it was a long shot.

Sometimes, long shots pay off. Not only has Wes indicated an interest in the spin-off, but he has agreed to come and conduct an on-line chat for members of the Charmed Sons. Suddenly, a group that started with 2 women on instant-messenger has, in a few short months, secured the participation of one of its proposed stars.

The members are understandably excited. While there is some disagreement as to how the spin-off should look, there is one thing all of our members do agree on: We want a show starring Drew Fuller and Wes Ramsey that is centered around the two magical brothers Chris and Wyatt Halliwell. If we can achieve our goal, The Charmed Sons might be the first new television show created due to fan demand.

web.archive.org/web/20051030120700/http://www.thecharmedsons.com/

Very few people wanted Wyatt and Chris to have a sister and rightly so. "The Charmed Sons + Smurfette" was NOT the spinoff they were campaigning for and tossing in a token younger sister completely ruins the Wyatt/Chris dynamic that had been established on the show.

Two TCS fans, Shannon and Jennifer, went on to write their own spinoff in Destined, and they likewise struck down the idea of Wyatt and Chris having a sister (as well as Henry Jr. being biological):

Things you should know about my Charmed stories:

-Another sibling for Wyatt and Chris? Not going to happen in my stories. A five second clip in the last episode of a nameless and unknown little girl with the boys means nothing. Piper never mentioned having a daughter and I think she would have said something about that over talking about her restaurant. There were no pictures of that little girl on the wall with the boys. Piper had serious complications with Chris's birth and it was unlikely she would've been able to have another child. Plus, Chris and Wyatt - complete handful all on their own, I'm sure she would've stopped there even if she could have another child. I think the little girl with them was either A) Phoebe's daughter, thus their cousin, or B) a neighbor/close friend that had spent the night. I have more reasons, but I figure I won't fill up any more profile space with them. Just know that I don't believe they have a sister. She will NEVER appear in any of my stories. You can argue with me all you want, but I'm not changing my mind on this. I'm not going to be convinced. Wyatt and Chris are Piper and Leo's only children.

-A male cousin born of the Warren-line for the boys? Not gonna happen. Okay, I DO have Henry Jr. in there since he was mentioned by name in the Finale, but I have a solution for that delimma. He was adopted. Paige and Henry adopted him. It's logical, it makes sense. They both went through foster care/adoptive homes it only makes sense that they would have adopted a child too. And, considering everything with Paige happens for a magical reason, he is a magical child and the son of another witch. He's just not of "Halliwell blood". The main reason for my opinion that Henry Jr. is adopted is that I think it's extremely important that Wyatt and Chris are the only boys born into the Halliwell line tracing all the way back to their ancestor Melinda Warren. Everyone thought that Piper was going to have a girl. It was a HUGE shock when Wyatt came out. Another surprise that she had a second son. Phoebe had all girls. Everyone else in the Halliwell family has ALWAYS had girls. Paige had twin girls... and she and Henry (here it is again) adopted Henry Jr. Piper and Leo are the only ones to have sons: Wyatt and Chris.

-The boys are the main characters. I think that should be self-explanatory. Especially in my Destined series. The spin-off is about the boys, so Aunts, Uncles, and Cousins will only appear as 'Guest Stars', but will NOT appear as regular characters. Successful spin-offs take a few characters (two in this case) from the original series and drop them into a new setting, add a couple of new cast members to create their own story. This isn't Charmed all over again. This is a new show. The spotlight is on the boys. An example would be the spin-off Angel that was created from the parent show Buffy: the Vampire Slayer. Completely separate show, with some characters from the original series, that jumped off on its own and was successful. That's what Destined is for me. Some folks have asked me about the cousins and if they're going to appear: the cousins are much younger than the brothers. Most of them are still in High School or Middle School - where as Chris and Wyatt are in college - so they would be unlikely to participate in the same sorts of things that Chris and Wyatt are doing anyway. Not to mention that Chris and Wyatt are on the other side of the country from them. I know some folks are interested in the cousins, but this isn't about them. If you do want to read a little here and there about the cousins, then I suggest reading my prequels to Destined, because the cousins do appear there a little bit. Brief appearances, but if you want to see glimpses of them that'd be where to do it. The focus of my stories will always be on Chris and Wyatt, though. So if you want focus on Phoebe and Paige's kids? Read someone else's stories.

-A bit of clarification on additional characters. This is just a quit little blurb about D.J. D.J. is indeed the half-manticore baby the Charmed Ones helped save in Season Six in the episode Little Monsters that seemed so close to Wyatt. They were that close when they were infants, and I like the thought that they grew up continuing to be close friends. If you'll recall the Beast/Dad from that episode's name was Derrek, then the name D.J. makes sense: Derrek Jr. Needless to say, he and Wyatt are best friends, which in turn has Chris being close friends with him too -- and making them the Three Muskateers, all toads aside. D.J. is an endless font of useless pop-culture and entertainment history trivia. He's also rather melodramatic, but he's watched way too many movies. And he's a bloody remote control hog too. Ahem. D.J. is a good friend, something the Halliwells need. I mean, think of how much the poor guy goes through being friends with those two! Yeah, he should get paid for sticking around them and being so loyal.

www.fanfiction.net/u/1163411/Twin-Swords

So, no, it's nowhere close to "90% of fans" that agree with you on Mystery Girl. That especially wasn't the case 5-9 years ago, when there were more TCS fans active in the fandom.

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He was never called Henry Jr. Only Little Henry. By the "Death of the Author" thought process, the "Jr." isn't in his name at all.

Dude, that is SO beside the point.

Whatever he goes by, Little Henry or Henry Jr., the fact remains that he was the only one of the Brood of Brats in that damned flash forward that was addressed by name onscreen, thus the name became canon.

On the other hand, as I have said more times than I care to remember, Mystery Girl has no canon identity at all.  No matter what the comics call her, no matter what the rubbish Charmed Wikia calls her, the fact remains that neither are canon and it doesn't count!

[Melinda Halliwell]

Maybe as Tim said had the show not done the flash forward then there wouldn't have been all this arguing over the Charmed Ones brood throughout these years from fellow fans obviously.

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Sept 11, 2015 11:50:22 GMT -5 @tim66 said:

Dude, that is SO beside the point.

Whatever he goes by, Little Henry or Henry Jr., the fact remains that he was the only one of the Brood of Brats in that damned flash forward that was addressed by name onscreen, thus the name became canon.

On the other hand, as I have said more times than I care to remember, Mystery Girl has no canon identity at all.  No matter what the comics call her, no matter what the rubbish Charmed Wikia calls her, the fact remains that neither are canon and it doesn't count!

Tim's said it all.  Henry Jr. actually IS a canon name, regardless of whether or not he was actually called "Little Henry" in the episode.  He obviously has the same name as his father, and "Jr" is the name suffix people use when they give their children the same first name as them, hence "Henry Jr."

On the other hand, there's absolutely NOTHING pointing to Mystery Girl's identity in the dialog.  Again, let's compare Phoebe and Paige's voiceovers with Piper's:

Phoebe: (Voice Over) A man who I shared this special little girl…

Phoebe: Yes, I am okay.

(Coop picks up a bag.)

Phoebe: (Voice Over) I had long ago foreseen, but feared I might have never have.

(Two girls run and hug her.)

Daughters: Mommy, we love you!

Phoebe: I love you too.

(She kisses their heads. Coop joins them.)

Phoebe: (Voice Over) Along with two other special little girls, I had not foreseen. (The girls go to Billie as Phoebe and Coop rush out. Phoebe drops something, but Coop picks it up.) I was suddenly so blessed to have a new family of my own, and old friends to share it with.

Paige: (Voice Over) Henry of course, continued to look after his parolees, even if they didn’t want to be looked after… (Henry sees Paige and the kids, a boy and two girls.) While still making time to help me with little Henry and the twins.

(He kneels down and the kids hug him. They squeal with delight.)

Henry: There’s my girls!

Piper: (Voice Over) So that Paige could pass on all that she’d learned, not just to her own children, or to mine, or to Phoebe’s…

[Scene: Manor, future. Piper and Leo are in the parlor. Piper hands out lunch bags to two boys and a girl.]

Piper: See you later.

(The children leave. Piper and Leo kiss.)

Piper: (Voice Over) But to other future witches and Whitelighters as well.

[Scene: Manor. Chris and Wyatt are mixing up a potion.]

Piper: (Voice Over) Which filled the time between when we were doing the fighting, and when our kids were old enough to take over.

(Chris adds something and there’s a small explosion.)

[Scene: Manor, kitchen. Piper is cooking something on the stove.]

Piper: (Voice Over) Allowing me time to get back to my roots and cook something other than potions, for once. (Piper tastes the sauce.) And open the restaurant I’d always dreamed of owning. (She puts the spoon down and pours it in.) As for Leo, after we reclaimed Magic School…

Notice the bolded parts in the Phoebe and Paige quotes?  Their children are all somehow explicitly identified as theirs. 

But, Mystery Girl?  Not so much.  Piper NEVER mentions having a daughter, and she NEVER appears again after the Lunchbox Scene.  Most scenes just show Wyatt and Chris.

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Maybe as Tim said had the show not done the flash forward then there wouldn't have been all this arguing over the Charmed Ones brood throughout these years from fellow fans obviously.

Yeah, if they had left that flash forward on the cutting room floor, a lot of grief would have been avoided.

But, Mystery Girl? Not so much. Piper NEVER mentions having a daughter, and she NEVER appears again after the Lunchbox Scene. Most scenes just show Wyatt and Chris.

Yeah, this kind of goes against the idea of Mystery Girl being Piper's daughter, IMO.

[erikamarie]

The answers are to be found only in the series

Piper says: when our kids were old enough to take over.

Our, in other words, Piper and Leo's kids, and indeed it appears the image of Wysatt and Chris, not of nine people

Before, they showed us Paige's children and the two daughters of Phoebe, later we'll see all the grandchidren of the sisters but when Piper talks about the next generation of witches, we saw only Wyatt and Chris


Do you remember Something Wicca This Way Comes?

Phoebe: Before Melinda was burned at the stake, she vowed that each generation of Warren witches would become stronger and stronger, culminating in the arrival of three sisters. Now, these sisters would be the most powerful witches the world has ever known.

Culminating: Prue, Piper, Phoebe and Paige are the greatest magic achieved by Melinda Warren's progeny
Apart from Wyatt and Chris- diffent and long speech- Phoebe and Paige's kids''ll be normal witches

Phoebe's girls, as I told, dont' have special cupid powers because special cupid powers don't exist
Cupids own a powerful ring, maybe they are immortal or maybe they may live a very long life,it's not so important

Moreover, a man who lived for love could agree to see his beloved wife and darling daughters as they age and die?
I believe that Coop'ld opt for becomming a mortal, as Leo did

The same I think about Paige's kids
Paige is half mortal, half whitelighter: according to the laws of genetic,s her children will be three quarters mortal and a quarter whiteligther, not enough to be able to orb


I don' think that a story to be charming has to be packed with characters full of powers - I didn't like Heroes and I'm sick of Marvel heroes- even the normal kids of powerful witches can be protagonists of an interesting plot
Usually, many parents try to protect their children from the mistakes that they themselves did, so I am sure that Phoebe's girls will go to a good college and will be good students , more and more better than three fluttering silly cupids

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Sept 11, 2015 17:49:33 GMT -5 erikamarie said:

The answers are to be found only in the series

Piper says: when our kids were old enough to take over.

Our, in other words, Piper and Leo's kids, and indeed it appears the image of Wysatt and Chris, not of nine people

Before, they showed us Paige's children and the two daughters of Phoebe, later we'll see all the grandchidren of the sisters but when Piper talks about the next generation of witches, we saw only Wyatt and Chris

And, if I had my way, that's ALL we would've seen. Wyatt and Chris were more than enough for the next generation, IMO.

Sept 11, 2015 17:49:33 GMT -5 erikamarie said:

I don' think that a story to be charming has to be packed with characters full of powers - I didn't like Heroes and I'm sick of Marvel heroes- even the normal kids of powerful witches can be protagonists of an interesting plot
Usually, many parents try to protect their children from the mistakes that they themselves did, so I am sure that Phoebe's girls will go to a good college and will be good students , more and more better than three fluttering silly cupids

I agree 100%. I think WAY too many fans (like Kern) are obsessed with magical powers. Things like characterization and continuity are FAR more important for good storytelling, IMO.

[tristancloud]

On the other hand, as I have said more times than I care to remember, Mystery Girl has no canon identity at all

I think you are mistaking the word "identity" for the word "name". She has no canon name at all. Her canon identity is Piper and Leo's daughter. Their third child. Wyatt and Chris' little sister. That's not even including the Charmed comics. We are very clearly given this in the finale of the show. No amount of denial will change that. 

Very few people wanted Wyatt and Chris to have a sister and rightly so. "The Charmed Sons + Smurfette" was NOT the spinoff they were campaigning for and tossing in a token younger sister completely ruins the Wyatt/Chris dynamic that had been established on the show.

Look, I get it. The premise of the Charmed Sons is great. When the show ended, I too had heard of The Charmed Sons and wanted it to happen SO bad! I loved Charmed, and I was very intrigued by the idea of seeing the future with Wyatt and Chris as the leads. But the premise of TCS was created before the show even ended. People fell in love with the name (and I get it. it's a catchy) and premise of the show before new information was given about the future of Piper's children. Now that it has been revealed that she has a daughter, you and the other TCSers out there will ignore all evidence that tampers with their precious TCS ideas in their own head.  But that's all it is. Ideas in your head. Not Canon. The idea of Wyatt and Chris being Piper's only children is fanon. That author can write all the fan fiction they want about it but it will never become more than that. 

Honestly I don't see how having a little sister would ruin the show's premise to begin with! The show could still focus on Wyatt and Chris. Their sister could be too young, or off to college or something in order to keep Wyatt and Chris as the focus. In fact they could have even killed her off later on for a shocking moment that spins Wyatt and Chris into a murderous rage for vengeance. 

Plain and simple. No she is not Phoebe's daughter. They literally JUST showed Phoebe's daughters, why would they show another one? Especially when the focus is now on Piper's family? No she is not a friend that spent the night. She is Piper and Leo's daughter. That is canon and that is all. 

[tristancloud]

Tim's said it all. Henry Jr. actually IS a canon name, regardless of whether or not he was actually called "Little Henry" in the episode. He obviously has the same name as his father, and "Jr" is the name suffix people use when they give their children the same first name as them, hence "Henry Jr."

Oh don't get me wrong. I know his name is Henry Jr. I'm just pointing out one of the many flaws in your philosophy that only what is explicitly stated becomes canon and not what is seen on screen. According to you theory, his first name would be Little, middle name Henry. 

But, Mystery Girl? Not so much. Piper NEVER mentions having a daughter, and she NEVER appears again after the Lunchbox Scene. Most scenes just show Wyatt and Chris.

Phoebe and Paige were the newly married sisters who hadn't had any children on the show to this point. Piper however had been married 5 years and had given birth to 2 children prior to the flash forward. Phoebe and Paige needed to explicitly state it while Piper didn't. When there is only 1 new child and Piper is the final Charmed One to wrap up the entire series, she couldn't go into the amount of detail you all would need in order to consider her their daughter. She talked about her children and their future while all 3 of her kids were shown onscreen. 

Apart from Wyatt and Chris- diffent and long speech- Phoebe and Paige's kids''ll be normal witches

Wyatt is the only one of the Charmed children that is twice blessed, meaning he and he alone is the only one that is extraordinary. Apart from Chris' orbing power, Chris is a normal witch. Now if you're referring to Wyatt and Chris being the only witches to have hybrid powers you'd be wrong. Mortals act as neutral when determining Charmed powers. The fact that Paige's children have a mortal father won't affect their powers at all. The Charmed ones aren't considered half witch half mortal. They're full witch because their mortal father didn't calculate into how powerful they'd become. Paige's children would be just as half whitelighter/half witch as Paige was. The only thing that could have changed this would have been if Paige had married a full witch. This would make her children 2/3 witch and 1/3 whitelighter. Then and only then would her children not inherit the ability to orb. While we don't have proof that Phoebe's children would inherit cupid powers, we don't have proof that they wouldn't either. The history of cupids is barely touched on and it is never mentioned that Cupids are random powerless mortals that were given jewelry.  

[erikamarie]

Witches are mortal, they could have powers, but this is not compulsory, we saw in many episodes many witches without powers

Magic and power are not the same thing

The Charmed One are mortal, full witch is an expression that means nothing, Prue, Piper, Phoebe, Paige are normal women with the the ability to deliver powerful spells, a spell vanquished the Sourse, not some random power

The Power of the Three had been expected for generations, the magic was the most important thing
Indeed, the Jenkis sisters weren't able to call the Void, they needed Charmed power, magic power, Wyatt's power

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The Charmed One are mortal, full witch is an expression that means nothing, Prue, Piper, Phoebe, Paige are normal women with the the ability to deliver powerful spells, a spell vanquished the Sourse, not some random power

That's true, isn't it.  They're powerful witches, but a gun could kill them just like the rest of us humans.

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Sept 12, 2015 2:32:52 GMT -5 tristancloud said:

Honestly I don't see how having a little sister would ruin the show's premise to begin with! The show could still focus on Wyatt and Chris. Their sister could be too young, or off to college or something in order to keep Wyatt and Chris as the focus. In fact they could have even killed her off later on for a shocking moment that spins Wyatt and Chris into a murderous rage for vengeance.

And, what a SEXIST premise that would've been! That is so NOT the spinoff I was asking for, no thank you very much!

Plus, CHRIS was always supposed to be the younger/weaker/overshadowed child. With Mystery Girl, that role would automatically go to her, which is just all sorts of EW.

Of course, it's all probably a moot point nowadays, as the chances of a spinoff being made are slim-to-none. A reboot is more likely, to which I say, BRING IT ON!

[erikamarie]

Maybe I can't stand Mistery Girl as Piper's daughter because I loved TCS idea, it could be true: this doesn't change the fact that Piper not even remotely mentioned her daughter

I am a mom, could I talk about my job forgetting my two little devils? Never ever!

Sickly sweet Melinda or Prudence or Leonarda spoils the balance of the two brothers, Betty is right and I can't think of Piper, after her hard childbirth, coincided with Chris's death, after the bad battle with the Jenkis, to face playfully a third pregnancy:it's not like her