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Post by tristancloud on Sept 7, 2015 0:56:23 GMT -5
Does anyone fantasize what powers Phoebe's children would have had? I know in the first season 9 comic it shows Phoebe's baby teleporting Phoebe to her but did it show anything else in the comics? We saw how orbing could be used to fight with Paige but I'd be very interested to see how love could have been used as a weapon to fight. I imagine it as a Confessor's power in "Legend of the Seeker". They could use love to "confess" someone and make them fall under their control. Like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTbjhl3t6FE www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QF7FDzkjho www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNzYcoO9SDQ And at the 7 minute 20 second mark of this one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7M9z6brpJLI Another power I thought they could have had was to create portals. Obviously Cupids can teleport but this could turn their pink teleportation into a weapon as well. This could be how the witch half mixed with the cupid half. They could not only teleport themselves and others, but they could redirect demon attacks as well. I tried to find a clip of Blink fighting using her portal power from X-men to show off how it could work, but this was the best I could find: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcP7frvnS30 They could have also had the power of persuasion over mortals. I could see them having to learn lessons on personal gain with that power. This could have grown into full on telepathy and reading people's minds as well. Coop was powerful enough to freeze Phoebe in time which is something Piper couldn't even do, so I feel like Phoebe's kids would have been the most powerful apart from Wyatt. Then the question of the Cupid ring comes into play. Would her kids need a ring since they are born with natural magical abilities from both parents? Would they be born with a ring? etc. Does anyone else have any other ideas for what powers they could have possessed other than heart teleportation? What do you guys think of my ideas? |
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Post by erikamarie on Sept 7, 2015 2:49:52 GMT -5
Heartbreak City
Cupid: Drazi took my ring. It's my powers, how I get in.
Prue:; Get in?
Cupid: People's hearts, to waken love. See, but Drazi's all about hate and he's gonna use the ring to get in the same way.
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Cupid: Well, I need the ring to get back. I mean, unless you can get me another one but the problem is I need it to get back to them.
Prue: Wait, you're stuck here?
Cupid: No, actually, you can help me get back home. One more potion, some well-chosen words from the Charmed Ones and I'm on my way. (to Phoebe) Care to help me with that potion?
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It's the ring that allows the Cupids to teleport, only the ring
In Forever Charmed also, without the ring Coop is not able to hear Phoebe, it's able to do nothing
The power is in the ring, so how could Phoebe and Coop's daughters own powers that are not genetically transmitted?
Moreover, I am fully convinced that the peak of power was reached with the Charmed Ones, as foretold
I believe that the girls are average witches, maybe without active powers (it is not mandatory to have active powers for being witches) but with a strong sensitivity, even with an empathic power that could make them good psychologists, as Phoebe dreamed for herself
Heart teleportation can be realized only by stealing their father's ring, which could create funny or hazardous situations
Often we complain that Charmed has neglected magic in favor of powers, then why many try to fill with odd powers those poor children?
Is Wyatt not enough?
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Post by tristancloud on Sept 7, 2015 4:21:08 GMT -5
While Cupids need their ring, they are still supernatural without them. It's not like they just asked random guys on the street if they wanted to put some rings on. The right to become a cupid would still be passed to the children and considering how his kids would not only be part witch, but part Charmed, I think it's safe to assume they would inherit some powers involving love in some fashion. We see this in the season 9 comic. Besides, we're not getting technical we're just brainstorming possible power ideas for fun  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 22:05:44 GMT -5
Seeing as these brats don't even have canon NAMES, I can't see what's so important or interesting about the cheap special effects shooting from their hands. Especially when, you know, they are VERY unlikely to ever appear on a TV screen or anywhere else outside of fanfiction.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 0:04:15 GMT -5
Your ideas are interesting, Tristan. However, I gotta agree with Betty on this one. I mean we're never gonna know what the names of these kids are, let alone what powers they may or may not have.
The only one of the Brood Of Brats that Kern unloaded on us that has a name is Henry Jr., and he's Paige and Henry's son. All of Phoebe and Mr. Cardboard's kids are just nameless extras, IMO.
However, Tristan, if you want to write your own stories about this idea, go for it. It's not like canon has any explanation, so you won't have to worry about them stepping on your toes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 10:40:15 GMT -5
Your ideas are interesting, Tristan. However, I gotta agree with Betty on this one. I mean we're never gonna know what the names of these kids are, let alone what powers they may or may not have. The only one of the Brood Of Brats that Kern unloaded on us that has a name is Henry Jr., and he's Paige and Henry's son. All of Phoebe and Mr. Cardboard's kids are just nameless extras, IMO. However, Tristan, if you want to write your own stories about this idea, go for it. It's not like canon has any explanation, so you won't have to worry about them stepping on your toes. Exactly, Tim. Plus, we don't even know if these brats even ARE part-Cupid. For all we know, Mr. Cardboard might have given up his powers before any of them were conceived, so they'd all just be plain witches, just like their mom. All the flash-forward told us was that Phoebe and Mr. Cardboard had, at least, two daughters (and possibly a third, although not guaranteed... the third one could've been miscarried, after all), and nothing more. Honestly, Tristan, just focus on turning these kids into actual characters first. Things like personalities, hobbies, and most of all, names, should come way, WAY before powers. Using powers as a substitute for character development was one of the biggest mistakes Kern made on the show. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 12:23:59 GMT -5
I agree. Build the characters up first, develop them into believable people. After that is done, then worry about powers.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Sept 8, 2015 12:36:01 GMT -5
Right like my character Melissa for e.g.
Besides being a witch and former half whitelighter she's very multi talented hence the name.
Mel plays musical instruments, can sing, was a doctor and music teacher plus entertainment manager at P3 in her life, can ballroom dance, do martial arts, and is quite intellectual which shows a whole range to her besides having powers of course.
That's the kind of things people like to read I think what makes them unique.
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Post by Sadrick on Sept 8, 2015 12:43:06 GMT -5
The only way I could see any powers manifesting is if they were somehow influenced by the witchly half of their genealogy. For example, the basis of Empathy as a power seems like it would quickly appear in them, seeing as how emotional intuitiveness is fundamental to being a Cupid. But since Cupids are largely dependent on their rings for their powers, it doesn't seem like their offspring would retain any active powers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 13:33:25 GMT -5
Right like my character Melissa for e.g. Besides being a witch and former half whitelighter she's very multi talented hence the name. Mel plays musical instruments, can sing, was a doctor and music teacher plus entertainment manager at P3 in her life, can ballroom dance, do martial arts, and is quite intellectual which shows a whole range to her besides having powers of course. That's the kind of things people like to read I think what makes them unique. Exactly, Melinda. There was much more to the Charmed Ones than what powers they had, even in the Kern years. Heck, even the likes of Chris and Billie had more to them than just "kewl powers"! If you're thinking up of a character and the first question you ask yourself is "What powers do they have?" then you've already failed at creating a character. It's just the hard truth. And, unfortunately, "What powers do they have?" is the question most people ask about the Brood of Brats, even when none of them besides Henry Jr. even have NAMES. |
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Post by tristancloud on Sept 8, 2015 15:43:23 GMT -5
Yes I definitely agree that powers are secondary when it comes to character development. While I imagine my own fan fiction ideas in my head, I've never put it to paper and doubt I ever will haha. I just like to imagine what the powers of the Charmed offspring would be. We've seen adult Wyatt and Chris, so no ideas are needed there. Piper's daughter will be a full witch as Leo wasn't magical when she was conceived. It's safe to assume that all of Paige's kids will have the power to orb. We've seen 4 Witch/Whitelighter hybrids in the series so imagining possible powers for them will be fairly simple as well. The only kids whose powers are left open ended are Phoebe's as their dad is a cupid. While it's very possible they'd just be full witches since their dad relies on the ring for his powers, I've had a lot of fun picturing what possible Cupid/Witch hybrid powers could be out there. I was just interested in seeing what you guys thought of my ideas and was curious if you had any of your own It's just for fun! |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 8, 2015 17:50:22 GMT -5
Yes I definitely agree that powers are secondary when it comes to character development. While I imagine my own fan fiction ideas in my head, I've never put it to paper and doubt I ever will haha. I just like to imagine what the powers of the Charmed offspring would be. We've seen adult Wyatt and Chris, so no ideas are needed there. Piper's daughter will be a full witch as Leo wasn't magical when she was conceived. It's safe to assume that all of Paige's kids will have the power to orb. We've seen 4 Witch/Whitelighter hybrids in the series so imagining possible powers for them will be fairly simple as well. The only kids whose powers are left open ended are Phoebe's as their dad is a cupid. While it's very possible they'd just be full witches since their dad relies on the ring for his powers, I've had a lot of fun picturing what possible Cupid/Witch hybrid powers could be out there. I was just interested in seeing what you guys thought of my ideas and was curious if you had any of your own It's just for fun! And I'm glad you're finding something to have fun with. I've always thought that the ring simply magnified and directed the cupid's power - the power is in the cupid, not in the ring - besides being able to use for time travel like Piper used it. So that would mean that the hybrid would probably still get the powers (although I'd prefer that there's no such thing as a hybrid and that all of the Charmed Ones are pure witches, just like Cole would be pure demon), but not be able to properly use it until they received their ring, and that power only the one to make love connections. Anything else like PJ being able to pink-orb her mother makes no sense to me - but then neither does Paige being able to orb someone else without having to hug them like Leo hugged Piper during "P3 H20" - along with her needing time to recover. Being able to orb someone should've been left for the second version of Chris when his father was an Elder and he was half-Elder, much more powerful than a half-whitelighter. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 19:35:51 GMT -5
Piper's daughter will be a full witch as Leo wasn't magical when she was conceived. Piper doesn't have a daughter. It's safe to assume that all of Paige's kids will have the power to orb. We've seen 4 Witch/Whitelighter hybrids in the series so imagining possible powers for them will be fairly simple as well. And, how do you know they aren't adopted? They may all be just plain ol' humans. The flash-forward never said otherwise. The only kids whose powers are left open ended are Phoebe's as their dad is a cupid. While it's very possible they'd just be full witches since their dad relies on the ring for his powers, I've had a lot of fun picturing what possible Cupid/Witch hybrid powers could be out there. I was just interested in seeing what you guys thought of my ideas and was curious if you had any of your own It's just for fun! Again, we don't even KNOW if these kids are even half-Cupid! Mr. Cardboard could've given up his powers before any of them were conceived, which means no half-Cupid witches. There's NO evidence which way or the other. |
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Post by tristancloud on Sept 9, 2015 0:42:11 GMT -5
Yes she does. She has Wyatt, Chris, and an unnamed daughter. You can see Piper giving her a lunch box in forever charmed.
Yes, but having children that don't possess powers would be very dangerous when their mother is fighting demons all the time. Demons could kidnap their children and hold the book of shadows for ransom.
Yes, but its safe to assume that he didn't. Especially when he has no reason to clip his cupid wings because his love with Phoebe isn't forbidden. Why would he stop helping others find love when that is all he knows? He isn't in any danger since Drazi has been killed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 1:08:17 GMT -5
We see Piper give a lunch box to an unnamed girl, who has no canon identity at all. Where does it say she's Piper's daughter? Cite your sources, please. And don't say the comics, they're not canon and don't count.
Yes, but according to Forever Charmed, there were no more demon attacks against the sisters. By the time the Underworld was sorted out, Wyatt and Chris (and note there was NO sister with them) had assumed their duties as the Charmed Sons.
Again there is no evidence either way. Charmed has had no canon since 2006. Everything that has come since is pure fanon.
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Post by tristancloud on Sept 9, 2015 1:40:34 GMT -5
Who else would she be? There are 2 younger boys who greatly resemble Wyatt and Chris, and then a younger girl with them. No Phoebe or Paige around. Piper gives them each a lunch box and kisses Leo. The 2 proud parents watching their 3 kids go off to school. Even if the girl was one of Phoebe or Paige's daughters, there'd be more of them. Not just the one daughter. Piper finally had the little girl who she could name Prudence Melinda. www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4IVo5X0E6U at 2:17. No there isn't a girl with older Wyatt and Chris, but that's because they had never hired an actress to play the older daughter. Yes there may not be evidence for Coop keeping his powers, or that Paige's children were biological but there is absolutely no evidence against it either. Why would Coop ever give up his powers? Why would Paige adopt? Paige and Piper both scoff at the idea of adoption when Phoebe flirts with the possibility in season 8. If anything there is evidence against it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 8:58:27 GMT -5
Yes she does. She has Wyatt, Chris, and an unnamed daughter. You can see Piper giving her a lunch box in forever charmed. No, what you saw was Piper giving a lunchbox to a nameless, faceless little girl. Sure, she could've been a daughter, but she could've just as well been a cousin or a visiting friend. We simply DON'T KNOW! The flash-forward NEVER named her or identified her otherwise. es, but having children that don't possess powers would be very dangerous when their mother is fighting demons all the time. Demons could kidnap their children and hold the book of shadows for ransom. Well, based on the demon truce mentioned in the finale, Paige wasn't exactly "fighting demons all the time" anymore. Plus, last I checked, she married a mortal. Yes, but its safe to assume that he didn't. Especially when he has no reason to clip his cupid wings because his love with Phoebe isn't forbidden. Why would he stop helping others find love when that is all he knows? He isn't in any danger since Drazi has been killed. You can't assume anything, though. Again, canon NEVER explicitly stated anything, so it's anyone's guess on what Mr. Cardboard did after the finale. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 9:45:20 GMT -5
Who else would she be? There are 2 younger boys who greatly resemble Wyatt and Chris, and then a younger girl with them. No Phoebe or Paige around. Piper gives them each a lunch box and kisses Leo. The 2 proud parents watching their 3 kids go off to school. Even if the girl was one of Phoebe or Paige's daughters, there'd be more of them. Not just the one daughter. Piper finally had the little girl who she could name Prudence Melinda. www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4IVo5X0E6U at 2:17. No there isn't a girl with older Wyatt and Chris, but that's because they had never hired an actress to play the older daughter. Let me show you a scene of Wyatt, Chris, and a nameless little girl from another episode:  See that girl? She's Phoebe's daughter:  We've actually SEEN Phoebe's kid going to school with Wyatt and Chris, so Mystery Girl being Phoebe's daughter is NOT a stretch at all. Yes there may not be evidence for Coop keeping his powers, or that Paige's children were biological but there is absolutely no evidence against it either. Why would Coop ever give up his powers? Why would Paige adopt? Paige and Piper both scoff at the idea of adoption when Phoebe flirts with the possibility in season 8. If anything there is evidence against it. That's the point, though, there's NO evidence, so you CAN'T assume anything. Canon is what's EXPLICITLY STATED in the show, period. Things like Piper having a daughter or Phoebe's kids being part-Cupid are 100% FANON. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 12:02:57 GMT -5
I gotta go with Betty on this one. Mystery Girl could be Phoebe's daughter that Piper and Leo were babysitting that day for some reason.
Fact is, as we've been saying, canon is silent on Mystery Girl's identity. She could be ANYONE!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 18:33:28 GMT -5
I agree with Betty and Tim to. Unless someone's called by their name like had Piper said to lunch box girl, "Oh Mel hey here's your lunch." for e.g. and she'd replied back. "Thanks mum." Then yes that'd definitely be Melinda or if another person made a passing remark quoting, "Oh you know Paige or Phoebe's son/daughter whatever their name was." Then they'd also be cannon and known as whoever's child they were but as nothing was said in that scene concerning lunch box girl then she could've been anyone leaving people to decide whether she was Melinda or not themselves. Yup. It's been said that an early version of the script called her "Melinda" and had her referring to Piper as "Mommy," but even if it's true, it never made it to air, so it's not canon. The fact remains that Piper never mentioned having a daughter, nor did we ever see her with Wyatt and Chris outside of the Lunchbox Scene. Tristan, nothing's stopping you from interpreting her as a daughter, but be aware that it's only fanon, not hard canon. Someone who considers Wyatt and Chris to be Piper's only children is just as "right" as you. |
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