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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 11:36:56 GMT -5
lol Maybe we are clichéd here, with burning witches, though in Europe it's the sad truth!  Anyway, some locations are connected with clichés. You can't ignore that.  Nope, you can't, which is why Boston/Salem should be avoided like the plague. When people think of witches, those areas are usually the first that come to mind. The image of angry Pilgrims hunting down and burning witches has been seared into the public consciousness, even if it didn't actually happen. If you want to set Charmed in New England, why not Connecticut, instead? Connecticut has its own history of witch trials, arguably more interesting and more colorful than that of the overhyped and heavily-mythologized Salem. If you want to go further south, Colonial Virginia also has a long (if mostly forgotten) history of witch trials. That backstory would work well with a Virginia Beach setting. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 18:24:59 GMT -5
Kind of ironic in now that the Rex and Hannah Chronicles take place in New England, but not in Salem, in Arkham.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 18:38:39 GMT -5
Kind of ironic in now that the Rex and Hannah Chronicles take place in New England, but not in Salem, in Arkham. Arkham's an entirely different WORLD away from Salem. Fewer pointy hats, more Cthulhu. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 19:12:14 GMT -5
Call me crazy but I think somewhere in the UK, probably a small town/village near London. As the sisters were most likely descended from the English/Scottish/Irish, I would play on the 'back to basics' theme and make the sisters 'return to the homeland', so to speak. It would compound the sisters' feeling of isolation and of leaving their old world behind and starting out in a new one.
I imagine Grams raising the girls somewhere in New England, then moving to {Old} England when the sisters went to college to live out her retirement with friends. In actual fact she would be inheriting The Halliwell Manor. Her intention would've been for the girls to come with her, but they all wanted to stay in the States. As they all scatter to various cities, Grams resigns herself to the fact that the Halliwell line is dead. When she herself dies, the sisters rush over to Britain for her funeral and inherit the Manor, their destiny beginning.
As for the Warren backstory. I imagine Charlotte Warren to be English and to give birth to Melinda in England. However, as an adult, Melinda moves to 'the New World' but is of course killed in the Salem Witch Trials. Her daughter, Prudence, starts out the family line in America, until Grams inherits Charlotte's family home in the 1990s.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 23:24:54 GMT -5
Yeah, they may be in the same state, but they are light years apart, story wise. And no, Rex and Hannah will be making no visits to Salem.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 23:56:58 GMT -5
Yeah, they may be in the same state, but they are light years apart, story wise. And no, Rex and Hannah will be making no visits to Salem. Cliché Halloween witches = food for Cthulhu.  That's why I love your stories, you rarely go for the tried and true (something that, unfortunately, happened more often than I would've liked in Charmed). Moving R&H to Lovecraft Country wasn't a direction you expected to take your series in, but it's worked swell. Hmmm... Shame I can't put down a vote for Arkham. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 12:20:51 GMT -5
And he can have the Magical Community for dessert.
One good thing that came out of the Brood Of Brats. Since they forced me to drop the Charmed Ones as guest characters, having R&H still hanging around San Francisco really made no sense anymore. and since I'm a Lovecraft fan...
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Post by West on Nov 11, 2015 20:59:27 GMT -5
Boston and Salem so high wow
New Orleans and Virginia Beach, for me. It was a tough pick.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 12:29:19 GMT -5
Boston and Salem so high wow That's because, unfortunately, too many fans are just as lazy and clichéd as the writers were.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 12:37:08 GMT -5
I think Los Angeles would've been better, even though I prefer the look of San Francisco by far. I think had they set the show in LA they would've been able to play on its vice city reputation. Second to that I would say Chicago, as it's less cliche than LA or NYC.
I would prefer Boston to Salem (way too obvious) or maybe New Orleans as well.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 12, 2015 14:14:36 GMT -5
LA wouldn't appeal to me with what it looks like and the fact of what it's known for sometimes which is just my opinion obviously. Call me crazy but I think somewhere in the UK, probably a small town/village near London. As the sisters were most likely descended from the English/Scottish/Irish, I would play on the 'back to basics' theme and make the sisters 'return to the homeland', so to speak. It would compound the sisters' feeling of isolation and of leaving their old world behind and starting out in a new one. I imagine Grams raising the girls somewhere in New England, then moving to {Old} England when the sisters went to college to live out her retirement with friends. In actual fact she would be inheriting The Halliwell Manor. Her intention would've been for the girls to come with her, but they all wanted to stay in the States. As they all scatter to various cities, Grams resigns herself to the fact that the Halliwell line is dead. When she herself dies, the sisters rush over to Britain for her funeral and inherit the Manor, their destiny beginning. As for the Warren backstory. I imagine Charlotte Warren to be English and to give birth to Melinda in England. However, as an adult, Melinda moves to 'the New World' but is of course killed in the Salem Witch Trials. Her daughter, Prudence, starts out the family line in America, until Grams inherits Charlotte's family home in the 1990s. Well the most popular place associated with witchcraft in Britain back in the day was East Anglia illustrated here www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/Witches-in-Britain/ an eastern county in the UK where lots of people were burnt drowned or hung in places like Bury St Edmunds, Kings Lynn, Chelmsford to name a few although those places don't look nothing like SF though if the show set in the 90's was going for the town being a magnet for evil thing then any part of London obviously like Westminster for e.g. being centrally located with the Houses Of Parliment and Westminster Abbey or Canary Wharf for our financial district to cripple Britain's economy and whatnot. |
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Post by West on Nov 15, 2015 0:55:35 GMT -5
I think Los Angeles would've been better, even though I prefer the look of San Francisco by far. I think had they set the show in LA they would've been able to play on its vice city reputation. Second to that I would say Chicago, as it's less cliche than LA or NYC. I would prefer Boston to Salem (way too obvious) or maybe New Orleans as well. I agree with these. LA and NYC would be like San Francisco. I think a not so cliche town would be better. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 13:01:04 GMT -5
As lazy and cliché as Charmed's writers tended to be, I'm surprised the show wasn't set in Boston/Salem to begin with. Of course, they did have Melinda get "burned" in Salem, the ultimate ahistorical witch cliché... |
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Post by West on Nov 30, 2015 0:38:12 GMT -5
As lazy and cliché as Charmed's writers tended to be, I'm surprised the show wasn't set in Boston/Salem to begin with. Of course, they did have Melinda get "burned" in Salem, the ultimate ahistorical witch cliché... I know it was so not accurate. She should of been hung or even drowned (if I recall witches were hung or drowned). Though setting the show in a not so familiar place would work better than the typicals. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 1:19:46 GMT -5
I know it was so not accurate. She should of been hung or even drowned (if I recall witches were hung or drowned). Though setting the show in a not so familiar place would work better than the typicals. What makes it even more baffling is that they had Melinda be born in Colonial Virginia. Like, do they realize how far apart Jamestown and Salem are? Or, how the Virginia colony had a completely different religion and culture from the Massachusetts Bay Colony? (Hint: One was founded with the goal of making money for Britain, the other was founded with the goal of fleeing religious persecution.) Or, that Virginia had its own history of witch trials that they could've used instead of Salem if they wanted Melinda to be born there? Yet again, the Charmed writers revealed that they had never picked up a history book (or, even looked at a map) once in their lives. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 12:27:16 GMT -5
Looks like they forgot what century they were writing about.
People in Colonial America tended to stay more or less where they were, unless they were a rich bigwig. Melinda would have no means or reason to move to Salem (she didn't strike me as having lots of money, which such a move would require in those days).
And, as Betty said, did they even consult a map and realize the distance involved? It's not like there was an Interstate system in those days.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 13:55:43 GMT -5
Looks like they forgot what century they were writing about. People in Colonial America tended to stay more or less where they were, unless they were a rich bigwig. Melinda would have no means or reason to move to Salem (she didn't strike me as having lots of money, which such a move would require in those days). And, as Betty said, did they even consult a map and realize the distance involved? It's not like there was an Interstate system in those days. Remember that even sh!tty dirt roads were few and far between in the Colonial days, so just traveling from Virginia to Maryland was nightmarish, let alone traveling from Virginia to Massachusetts. Even nowadays that's a hellish drive, let alone in the late 1600s. Plus, again, why would someone from Virginia want to move to Massachusetts anyways? Most Virginians were Anglican and pro-royality, the diametric opposite of Massachusetts' Puritan culture. Charmed failed history forever. |
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Post by erikamarie on Nov 30, 2015 16:08:04 GMT -5
Looks like they forgot what century they were writing about. People in Colonial America tended to stay more or less where they were, unless they were a rich bigwig. Melinda would have no means or reason to move to Salem (she didn't strike me as having lots of money, which such a move would require in those days). And, as Betty said, did they even consult a map and realize the distance involved? It's not like there was an Interstate system in those days. Remember that even sh!tty dirt roads were few and far between in the Colonial days, so just traveling from Virginia to Maryland was nightmarish, let alone traveling from Virginia to Massachusetts. Even nowadays that's a hellish drive, let alone in the late 1600s. Plus, again, why would someone from Virginia want to move to Massachusetts anyways? Most Virginians were Anglican and pro-royality, the diametric opposite of Massachusetts' Puritan culture. Charmed failed history forever. Charlotte was kidnapped by Ruth Cobb, I doubt that Charlotte'ld live near a dangerous woman like her Maybe she had relatives in Salem and I cannot think thatpeople in the seventeenth century was so static Bad streets, I agree, but Alexander the Great, to name one, in 326 BC went to India, Niccolò and Matteo Polo went to China from Venice in 1260, ten years after, Marco Polo travelled for 16000 kilometre I don't think it was an impossible task |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2015 18:44:53 GMT -5
Yes, but it wasn't Charlotte that moved, it was Melinda. The Halliwell sisters themselves said so. Besides, Ruth Cobb was nothing without Cole backing her up.
That was a totally different situation. Alexander the Great was King of Macedonia and a military leader. He could draw upon troops and resources to make such travel possible. And even then, it wasn't easy. It took them seven years to reach India, and many never made it back. Heck, Alexander himself didn't make it back (he either died of a fever, drank himself to death, or committed suicide by poison, no one is really sure which).
Melinda, on the other hand, was one woman alone. She did not have the resources that Alexander had.
Back in Melinda's day, a move from Virginia to Salem just wasn't economically or logistically feasible for most people. It was not until the Industrial Revolution of the 19th Century, that introduced travel by trains, that moving around became more common in North America (and in the following decades, first came automobiles, and then, airplanes, so such a move became much easier for common folks).
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Post by sol on Dec 1, 2015 3:41:15 GMT -5
We know that Melinda died in Salem but not when and how she got there
Maybe Charlotte, to keep safe her daughter, moved to the East in the Shenandoah Valley, or in Pennsylvania
It's not mandatory to have traveled the distance all at once
People traveling, since the ancient times: the Romans sent ahead their armies teams of engineers who were building the roads - which still exist - but also in the Middle Ages there were the great pilgrimage routes, the Camino de Santiago, 800 km in the mountains, difficult even now - or Frangicena, from Canterbury to Rome through France and if you were still alive you'ld go on to Jerusalem
I don't know your beautiful Canada - I'm planing an holiday,when I'll have enough days off -but my parents, when they where students,travelled between Alberta e British Columbia, I doubt it was easy for the settlers to occupy in those lands
People move, I don't find strange that Melinda turned up to Salem
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Anyway, some locations are connected with clichés. You can't ignore that. 
