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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 18:32:24 GMT -5
In 'All Hell Breaks Loose' Piper is the one who is shot and killed. Had Tempus and the Source not rewound time, Prue and Phoebe would've been the ones to discover Paige and reconstitute the Power of Three. So, the Source's time-meddling actually saved Piper's skin, really. Was she "meant" to die and did the time-rewind create a new timeline - the one in which Prue died?
Perhaps there is also a timeline out there in which Phoebe and Cole were killed by the Source as well...
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Post by West on Apr 15, 2016 18:35:57 GMT -5
Great point. I always wondered this too. That a timeline where Piper died could basically turn to Centinual Charmed with Prue in place of Piper.
It is interesting to note Piper had a few instances where she could of died in season 1 to 3.
Id like to think theres alternate timelines out there. But its easy to pretend season 4-8 is an alternate universe given we dont even see the events between seasons 3 and 4.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 18:46:58 GMT -5
Indeed. I suppose you could argue that Andy's death caused another alternate timeline as if Tempus hadn't reversed time after Rodriguez only managed to kill Phoebe on his first attempt, Prue and Piper would've gone on to discover Paige and Andy would still be alive.
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Post by West on Apr 15, 2016 18:54:44 GMT -5
Indeed. I suppose you could argue that Andy's death caused another alternate timeline as if Tempus hadn't reversed time after Rodriguez only managed to kill Phoebe on his first attempt, Prue and Piper would've gone on to discover Paige and Andy would still be alive. Very interesting. Your right on that one too. Makes you think. Then finding Paige then and Andy living is one i never pondered. Gosh theres so many fan fiction ideas and series based simply on alternate timelines. A Witch in Time and Forever Charmed with Piper being the last sister standing. Before she time traveled to undo it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 21:09:48 GMT -5
In 'All Hell Breaks Loose' Piper is the one who is shot and killed. Had Tempus and the Source not rewound time, Prue and Phoebe would've been the ones to discover Paige and reconstitute the Power of Three. So, the Source's time-meddling actually saved Piper's skin, really. Was she "meant" to die and did the time-rewind create a new timeline - the one in which Prue died? Perhaps there is also a timeline out there in which Phoebe and Cole were killed by the Source as well... I've never really thought about this, but it's an interesting theory. It makes you wonder if the Source intended to have Piper live over Prue, maybe thinking that killing the oldest and strongest sister would make the Charmed Ones easier to defeat. |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Apr 15, 2016 21:31:36 GMT -5
Then finding Paige then and Andy living is one i never pondered. Gosh theres so many fan fiction ideas and series based simply on alternate timelines. I'm here for this type of fic! I would read it! This is an interesting theory. Especially since there are a LOT of deaths and a lot of possibilities for how the future could have been. Is Awakened the only non-magical death? Like, when if Leo couldn't save her? How does that affect Prue and Phoebe. They could find Paige, but what are their thoughts on magic; it couldn't save Piper. Would they have gone on? |
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Post by West on Apr 15, 2016 21:35:11 GMT -5
Then finding Paige then and Andy living is one i never pondered. Gosh theres so many fan fiction ideas and series based simply on alternate timelines. I'm here for this type of fic! I would read it! This is an interesting theory. Especially since there are a LOT of deaths and a lot of possibilities for how the future could have been. Is Awakened the only non-magical death? Like, when if Leo couldn't save her? How does that affect Prue and Phoebe. They could find Paige, but what are their thoughts on magic; it couldn't save Piper. Would they have gone on? Me too. Its fun to speculate and see how events would of turned out with all the possible futures when a sister dies. Thats another interesting one. Especially given Piper died of natural causes and magic couldn't save her. |
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Post by adzpower on Apr 16, 2016 3:12:24 GMT -5
Ooh just imagining Prue in Centennial Charmed gives me chills, she'd be in her leather "Ms.Hellfire" outfit, she'd look so badass.
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Post by Sadrick on Apr 16, 2016 10:56:17 GMT -5
The Power of Three would still be weakened, but it wouldn't be nearly so pronounced as it was when Prue died. She would doubtlessly be seeking retribution for the death of her beloved sister -- whether she and Phoebe as a duo have enough power to bring down Shax is a big conundrum. They may not need to wait on Paige joining the fold since Phoebe's eagerness to see the blue assassin brought down could galvanise Cole into accompanying them. With an upper level ally like him at their beckoning call, they could probably have Shax dead by the next encounter they have with him. The Source is another issue altogether. He's far stronger and with the PO3 technically severed, he's virtually unvanquishable. They would need Paige to kill him. However, once that whole mess is taken care of I'm not certain how receptive Prue would be to Paige being around. She's not nearly as welcoming or trustful of outsiders as Piper was, and that's saying something.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 11:56:37 GMT -5
Of course, when talking about alternate timelines where Prue didn't die, it's hard not to bring up "Morality Bites." Why was Prue still alive in that timeline's 2009?
This is my theory. The sisters of the "Morality Bites" timeline abandoned their destiny to protect innocents and defeat the Source of All Evil, instead going down a darker path of personal gain. Thus, they never became targets of the Source, and Prue never got blasted through a wall trying to protect an innocent. It's very likely that they never met Cole, either, since the Source had no need to send Belthazor out to infiltrate the sisters' lives and try to weaken them.
This could possibly also explain why Piper had a lone daughter instead of two sons. Since the Charmed Ones never fulfilled their destiny, the line of Warren daughters continued so it would eventually culminate in a new trio of sisters. In the timeline where Prue died, the sisters defeated the Source and fulfilled their destiny, so that paved the way for a new destiny to begin with Wyatt and Chris.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 12:10:27 GMT -5
Make sense to me. Since they no longer bothered with Innocents, the sisters would not be protecting Dr. Griffiths.
I guess that, in this time line, Paige Matthews just went on with her her life without discovering her true heritage.
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 16, 2016 12:29:19 GMT -5
In 'All Hell Breaks Loose' Piper is the one who is shot and killed. Had Tempus and the Source not rewound time, Prue and Phoebe would've been the ones to discover Paige and reconstitute the Power of Three. So, the Source's time-meddling actually saved Piper's skin, really. Was she "meant" to die and did the time-rewind create a new timeline - the one in which Prue died? Perhaps there is also a timeline out there in which Phoebe and Cole were killed by the Source as well... This thread reminds me of a post I saw at a different site: Here's how I replied: By the way, I'd also love to see some of the fanfic ideas mentioned. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 16, 2016 12:31:22 GMT -5
By the way, I've always believed that S4-8 was an alternate timeline - in the original one, all three originals survive, Paige doesn't exist, the sisters vanquish the Source with no need to use the Hollow so Cole never becomes the Source or goes crazy or is vanquished and Wyatt is Melinda, Piper and Leo's only child who's a witch but has no powers - the powers culminated with the Charmed Ones and the death of the Source of All Evil, after which the sisters took the Angel of Destiny up on his offer and gave up their powers, the end of their story as the Charmed Ones.
They did this because their Angel of Destiny didn't lie to them - he told them that if they decided to keep their powers, Piper would have a son who was the Twice-Blessed Child and the rest of their lives would be devoted to protecting him rather than protecting innocents, so the sisters decided to give up their powers and live normal lives - and when they made those choices, the Angel made Leo and Cole mortal, too, with the world believing that Cole had always been a lawyer and Leo a doctor with none of the extras that magic added - Cole and Leo were also given substitute memories so they think they're the same age as the sisters and have never been anything but human, which match the substitute memories the sisters have been given. Just like at the beginning, they were all taken off Evil's radar and never bothered by magical baddies again, completely forgetting everything that happened in S1-3.
Yes, Sol, I'm sure you hate it, because they aren't "real". But that's the fun of TV shows - you can have your "reality" and I can have my fantasy and we can both be happy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 12:52:26 GMT -5
Of course, when talking about alternate timelines where Prue didn't die, it's hard not to bring up "Morality Bites." Why was Prue still alive in that timeline's 2009? This is my theory. The sisters of the "Morality Bites" timeline abandoned their destiny to protect innocents and defeat the Source of All Evil, instead going down a darker path of personal gain. Thus, they never became targets of the Source, and Prue never got blasted through a wall trying to protect an innocent. It's very likely that they never met Cole, either, since the Source had no need to send Belthazor out to infiltrate the sisters' lives and try to weaken them. This could possibly also explain why Piper had a lone daughter instead of two sons. Since the Charmed Ones never fulfilled their destiny, the line of Warren daughters continued so it would eventually culminate in a new trio of sisters. In the timeline where Prue died, the sisters defeated the Source and fulfilled their destiny, so that paved the way for a new destiny to begin with Wyatt and Chris. Good theory. Ironically, if they had done so, Prue would've still been alive and they would've had a relatively normal life. But then again, Phoebe's exposure and subsequent execution was their comeuppance, I suppose. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 12:54:29 GMT -5
By the way, I'd also love to see some of the fanfic ideas mentioned. I'm still trying to think of a believable way in which Prue could fall into a parallel would where Phoebe doesn't exist nor does Prue's otherworldly doppelganger/counterpart. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 13:31:17 GMT -5
Good theory. Ironically, if they had done so, Prue would've still been alive and they would've had a relatively normal life. But then again, Phoebe's exposure and subsequent execution was their comeuppance, I suppose. Also notice that Piper and Leo were divorced in that timeline (which probably explains why they never had a second child after Melinda, who appeared to be exact age Wyatt would've been in 2009), while Prue appeared to literally have no life outside of her job So, they all had their "normal lives," but it came at a relative cost. I wonder where Paige was in the "Morality Bites" timeline? I assume she went on to have a long career in social work since she never met her half-sisters (and thus quit her job to focus on magic). She might've ended up marrying Glen. |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Apr 17, 2016 22:50:50 GMT -5
It does seem like MB timeline is one of the strongest reasons they all assumed GIRL and where surprised when BOY!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 23:33:42 GMT -5
It does seem like MB timeline is one of the strongest reasons they all assumed GIRL and where surprised when BOY! Both that and the fact that Warren women had always had daughters. Of course, a lot of things had already changed from the "Morality Bites" timeline by the time Wyatt was born, namely Prue quitting her job at Buckland's and getting killed about a year later. Interestingly, one thing that didn't change was Piper and Leo getting divorced shortly after the birth of their first kid, although they eventually got back together and had a second kid in the normal timeline. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 16:56:32 GMT -5
My theory about that is that Prue's death threw things off. I mean it changed the date that Piper and Leo, ahem, conceived their first child (when grieving the loss of a loved one, sex is the last thing on your mind). And that is why they ended up with a boy, not a girl.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2016 17:28:25 GMT -5
My theory about that is that Prue's death threw things off. I mean it changed the date that Piper and Leo, ahem, conceived their first child (when grieving the loss of a loved one, sex is the last thing on your mind). And that is why they ended up with a boy, not a girl. Interesting theory, although I think Melinda and Wyatt have the same date of birth, since she appeared to be the same age as he would've been in 2009. However, it was stated that Wyatt was born 2 months early, so they could've still been conceived at different times, yet have the same birthday. The whole Phoebe/Cole/Source mess (which very likely *didn't* happen in the "Morality Bites" timeline) may have delayed conception by a couple of months. Also, note that Melinda didn't have a younger sibling, girl or boy. While Piper and Leo divorced in both timelines, they only reunited in the main timeline, which allowed them to conceive Chris. Piper and Leo also divorced for different reasons in the two timelines. In the "Morality Bites" timeline, magic (and Leo's whitelighter duties) got in the way of their relationship, while in the main timeline, it was Leo becoming an Elder that split them up. This is why the Leo of the "Morality Bites" 2009 is still a whitelighter, while the Leo of the main timeline's 2009 is a mortal. |
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