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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 16:16:04 GMT -5
Going back and re-reading Deano's original post... I've been starting to wonder if one of the sisters had always been destined to die young just so Paige could reunite with her birth family. Even the one confirmed timeline that had Prue, Piper, and Phoebe all living past 2001, "Morality Bites," eventually led to Phoebe's death. Would we have eventually seen Paige join Prue and Piper (and presumably set them back on the right track) had that timeline been allowed to play out? And, then, there's all of the possible deaths and timelines that resulted from time being rewound in both "Deja Vu All Over Again" and "All Hell Breaks Loose." And, while these weren't fixed with time travel, it's also hard to ignore Piper dying in "Awakened," and Prue dying in "Be Careful What You Witch For." This is something that always irked me about Paige's existence: did Paige's birth precipitate Prue's death? I don't like to think this is true because is then appears that Prue HAD to die simply so Paige could live her destiny. Also, it makes Paige sound like "the back-up" which hugely diminishes her as a character in my eyes. Yeah, it does seem that one sister was fated to die, no matter what, so Paige could find her true heritage. It was a temporal role of the dice each time. And Prue was the one that ended up getting the snake eyes in the end. As I say above, I always just hark back to the same nagging question: why didn't Paige's birth cancel out the Power of Three in the Halliwell sisters? Was Paige meant to be born - to one day replace Prue - or was she just some natural, unexplainable anomaly, because surely common sense would tell you that the birth of the fourth sister would mean that the PO3 was actually meant for some future trio of Halliwell sisters. |
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Post by adzpower on Apr 20, 2016 16:16:36 GMT -5
I never got the twice-blessed thing, what does that even mean?! Twice-blessed? Who blessed him twice? And for what purpose? Eurgh.
Perhaps Paige didn't cancel out the power of three because she had a different father? Thanks to her witch half she could access the power of three if one of the sisters tranferred their destiny to her. Eh, I have no idea lol. Nothing on this show is explained well.
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Post by sol on Apr 20, 2016 17:00:17 GMT -5
I never got the twice-blessed thing, what does that even mean?! Twice-blessed? Who blessed him twice? And for what purpose? Eurgh. Perhaps Paige didn't cancel out the power of three because she had a different father? Thanks to her witch half she could access the power of three if one of the sisters tranferred their destiny to her. Eh, I have no idea lol. Nothing on this show is explained well. Twice blessed because of the day he was born Nowhere it's said that the child was twice blessed because of his parents, the child born in that particular sequence of events - the alignment of the planets, the aurora borealis, the Festival of Lights - would stop the magic and he'ld absorb its power Balanced between winter and spring, blessed by two seasons, it's an old typical formula of medieval poems, even in the Cid is quoted a twice blessed child because he was born in St. John/Belthane's night To write a prophecy,the writers used an ancient formula, without imagining that this'ld have sparked the imagination of fans and that'ld appear three blessed children, even four blessed: absurd |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 17:27:56 GMT -5
Paige's character was diminished anyway, as we have said here. After a strong start, she was just given lines meant for Prue once the Phoebe/Cole/Source storyline kicked in. After that, she was just relegated to sub-plots usually involving the Magical Community Of Disney Rejects.
Burge and Kern really screwed themselves when they made such a big deal with this whole "Power Of Three" thing. It never occurred to them that they might lose a cast member.
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Post by unakite on Apr 20, 2016 17:37:56 GMT -5
Why the Power of Three would be cancelled?
Melinda foretold the birth of three powerful sisters, doesn't mean that these predestined girls could not have other siblings
Both Patty and Penny, in That Seventies Episode, rejoice when they discover that Prue Piper and Phoebe are the Charmed Ones and they knew of Paige's existence
I cannot believe that one of the sisters was destined to die
I believe that it happened because the girls weren't experienced to become witches and three years of practice weren't enough, to be ready to face powerful demons and evil forces
Penny has done an overly protective role with her granddaughters, probably because she had lost her Patty, understandable mistake that led Prue, burdened with too many responsibilities, to an early death
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 17:41:06 GMT -5
That Seventies Episode took place in 1975. Paige was not born until 1977.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 19:12:09 GMT -5
This is something that always irked me about Paige's existence: did Paige's birth precipitate Prue's death? I don't like to think this is true because is then appears that Prue HAD to die simply so Paige could live her destiny. Also, it makes Paige sound like "the back-up" which hugely diminishes her as a character in my eyes. I don't think Prue, specifically, was the one who had to die (there were several times where it could've easily been Piper or Phoebe, instead), but I do think that Paige's birth did sentence one of the sisters to an early death. The Charmed Ones were supposed to be a Power of Three, so what happens when there's a fourth sister? It's awful to think about it, but it makes a whole lot of sense.  Plus, also consider why Paige even existed in the first place--Patty cheating on her husband with her whitelighter. A sin like that is often met with cosmic payback, and while one could argue that Patty herself already paid it back by dying young, what if one of her daughters dying young was also part of the deal? This show's backstory has suddenly become really depressing, hasn't it? |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Apr 20, 2016 20:01:19 GMT -5
Someone, at some point, somewhere, made a good point about the prophesy of the Power of Three. (Been around The Cafe way too long to know.)
In All Hallow's Eve, Charlotte met Prue, Piper, and Phoebe. The coven was looking for the most powerful. And Charlotte tells them that she will tell her daughter about the three powerful witches who brought her into the world/rescue (lines).
Self-fulfilling prophesy? Melinda foretold of Three Sisters; they saved her mother.
It is a very interesting concept that Paige was there as a replacement "in case", though it doesn't help her character any.
(Not gonna lie, we used that idea in Reset Reality.)
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 20, 2016 22:32:53 GMT -5
That's just like Grams knowing that her granddaughters would be Charmed because they visited her and Patty during 'That Seventies Episode'. All the different timelines...
Imagine what happened in the ORIGINAL timelines of each of these - BEFORE those time-travel trips.
And that's the idea *I* used in my 'Forever Charmed' rewrite, "Charmed Forever". Just like you guys with C:RR, I had *SUCH* fun righting Kern's wrongs!
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Post by Assassin Witch on Apr 20, 2016 22:45:03 GMT -5
The beauty of fan fiction.
Especially with all that's discussed in this thread. The complexities of timelines. Charmed has mentioned timelines very often and it's very interesting to see what people come up with.
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 21, 2016 7:54:35 GMT -5
Melinda foretold the birth of three powerful sisters, doesn't mean that these predestined girls could not have other siblings Both Patty and Penny, in That Seventies Episode, rejoice when they discover that Prue Piper and Phoebe are the Charmed Ones and they knew of Paige's existence I cannot believe that one of the sisters was destined to die I believe that it happened because the girls weren't experienced to become witches and three years of practice weren't enough, to be ready to face powerful demons and evil forces Penny has done an overly protective role with her granddaughters, probably because she had lost her Patty, understandable mistake that led Prue, burdened with too many responsibilities, to an early death But if Patty was pregnant with Phoebe during 'That Seventies Episode', Grams and Patty knew nothing about Paige's existence - they barely knew about Phoebe's. Prue died protecting an innocent, not her sisters, so it wasn't her overprotectiveness that caused her death. I think she died because after seeing herself live into 2009, she thought that was automatic and she and her sisters could do anything and they'd still end up alive in 2009. Her pride got in the way. It had nothing to do with Paige or their destiny. Just because you have a destiny doesn't mean you'll fulfill it. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 21, 2016 8:04:39 GMT -5
I never got the twice-blessed thing, what does that even mean?! Twice-blessed? Who blessed him twice? And for what purpose? Eurgh. Perhaps Paige didn't cancel out the power of three because she had a different father? Thanks to her witch half she could access the power of three if one of the sisters tranferred their destiny to her. Eh, I have no idea lol. Nothing on this show is explained well. Twice blessed because of the day he was born Nowhere it's said that the child was twice blessed because of his parents, the child born in that particular sequence of events - the alignment of the planets, the aurora borealis, the Festival of Lights - would stop the magic and he'ld absorb its power Balanced between winter and spring, blessed by two seasons, it's an old typical formula of medieval poems, even in the Cid is quoted a twice blessed child because he was born in St. John/Belthane's night Ah! Just spot this, Sol. A lot of the reason I thought the twice-blessed was due to his parents was because of the word *twice* - but this makes that make sense. I just might have to admit I've been wrong about this whole thing yet! NOT! I still think the day made him powerful; his Charmed mother and whitelighter father made him twice blessed, just like Melinda and Chris. It doesn't have to say it - it's just fact. As I said before, if the prophecy said 'the Twice Blessed Child' would be born, that would be one thing, but it didn't; it said 'a twice blessed child', meaning there would be more, and there was - Chris. So he was never poor, poor pitiful Chris, even if he thought so. |
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Post by Chrisaholic on Apr 21, 2016 11:05:44 GMT -5
Great, and now I have a headache again.  With all these prophecies in the Charmed universe it is no wonder, really.  |
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Post by sol on Apr 21, 2016 11:08:30 GMT -5
How are you stubborn, Es! Twice blessed child is a greeting and blessing formula typical of medieval poems Rodrigo Díaz count of Viva - el Cid- wrote to his daughter Sol, mother of the future king of Navarre: twice blessed child, the air of spring breathed at your birth Twice blessed is not a power, is not a title, only a wish formula and seeing that the prophecy was old, the writers imitated the language |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 11:26:14 GMT -5
They knew nothing of Paige's existence because Paige would not be born for another two years!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 14:08:34 GMT -5
Why the Power of Three would be cancelled? Melinda foretold the birth of three powerful sisters, doesn't mean that these predestined girls could not have other siblings Both Patty and Penny, in That Seventies Episode, rejoice when they discover that Prue Piper and Phoebe are the Charmed Ones and they knew of Paige's existence I cannot believe that one of the sisters was destined to die I believe that it happened because the girls weren't experienced to become witches and three years of practice weren't enough, to be ready to face powerful demons and evil forces Penny has done an overly protective role with her granddaughters, probably because she had lost her Patty, understandable mistake that led Prue, burdened with too many responsibilities, to an early death Because the Power of Three was supposed to be a birthright bestowed upon three sisters, not four. The birth of a fourth sister should've rendered the Power of Three inaccessible. It doesn't makes sense for the possessors of the PO3 to have other siblings. It diminishes the significance of the bond between the three siblings working together in perfect unity - what, is the fourth sister just supposed to be left out? And even if that was the case, that the PO3 was destined to be Prue, Piper and Phoebe, then Prue's death should not have meant that Paige could just replace her. We know why Prue died - the actual reason for her death - but not why she was meant to die. Was she just destined to die young and not fulfill her destiny just because Paige had been born? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 14:16:06 GMT -5
Someone, at some point, somewhere, made a good point about the prophesy of the Power of Three. (Been around The Cafe way too long to know.) In All Hallow's Eve, Charlotte met Prue, Piper, and Phoebe. The coven was looking for the most powerful. And Charlotte tells them that she will tell her daughter about the three powerful witches who brought her into the world/rescue (lines). Self-fulfilling prophesy? Melinda foretold of Three Sisters; they saved her mother. It is a very interesting concept that Paige was there as a replacement "in case", though it doesn't help her character any. (Not gonna lie, we used that idea in Reset Reality.) That's a very interesting theory. Perhaps Melinda didn't "see" Paige because she had grown up with the families stories of 'the three sisters' and so that had an effect on the prophecy she saw. For all we know, she perhaps just didn't foresee that one of the Charmed Ones would die young and be replaced by a secret fourth sister. I'd love someone to think of a logical explanation for Paige - I tend to go with either this explanation or that Paige wasn't destined to be born and is an anomaly. That's just like Grams knowing that her granddaughters would be Charmed because they visited her and Patty during 'That Seventies Episode'. All the different timelines... Imagine what happened in the ORIGINAL timelines of each of these - BEFORE those time-travel trips. And that's the idea *I* used in my 'Forever Charmed' rewrite, "Charmed Forever". Just like you guys with C:RR, I had *SUCH* fun righting Kern's wrongs! Just like when Piper casually told Patty she would have four daughters in 'Forever Charmed' and yet Patty didn't even wonder for a moment how four daughters could harness the Power of Three. I wonder if Coop took Chris' advice and returned them to the point where Penny and Patty wouldn't remember that trip. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 14:24:05 GMT -5
I don't think Prue, specifically, was the one who had to die (there were several times where it could've easily been Piper or Phoebe, instead), but I do think that Paige's birth did sentence one of the sisters to an early death. The Charmed Ones were supposed to be a Power of Three, so what happens when there's a fourth sister? It's awful to think about it, but it makes a whole lot of sense. Plus, also consider why Paige even existed in the first place--Patty cheating on her husband with her whitelighter. A sin like that is often met with cosmic payback, and while one could argue that Patty herself already paid it back by dying young, what if one of her daughters dying young was also part of the deal? This show's backstory has suddenly become really depressing, hasn't it? I agree with you, Betty, I think any one of them could've died. After all, as I said in my OP, Piper would've been the one to die without all the time-travel interference. You're right, it is a very sobering thought to think that Paige's accident of birth sounded the death knell for one of her sisters, but it is the thing that makes the most sense. Hm, that's something to think about - Paige's parentage - and I hadn't considered that before. I guess one could argue that half-whitelighter/half-witches have been plagued with bad karma/luck (Paige's abandonment and tragic childhood; Wyatt's morality struggles; Chris' lack of parental presence and growing up under his brother's dictatorship) which does indeed suggest that they are not meant to be born. Of course, we have to discount Forever Flashforward and the Brady Bunch of Witch-Lighters. Fine by me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 15:24:52 GMT -5
I agree with you, Betty, I think any one of them could've died. After all, as I said in my OP, Piper would've been the one to die without all the time-travel interference. You're right, it is a very sobering thought to think that Paige's accident of birth sounded the death knell for one of her sisters, but it is the thing that makes the most sense. Hm, that's something to think about - Paige's parentage - and I hadn't considered that before. I guess one could argue that half-whitelighter/half-witches have been plagued with bad karma/luck (Paige's abandonment and tragic childhood; Wyatt's morality struggles; Chris' lack of parental presence and growing up under his brother's dictatorship) which does indeed suggest that they are not meant to be born. Very interesting point, Deano. All of the witchlighters we've seen in the show had troubled childhoods, and we know that Paige and Chris, at least, were 100% accidental, unplanned births. (Heck, Piper nearly died giving birth to Chris.) Assuming she's a witchlighter, too, "Morality Bites" Melinda could also arguably fall into this category. Her parents divorced when she was very young, and she has to grow up in a world where using magic is punishable by death. Just like her Reality Prime counterpart, Wyatt, the seeds were sown for a very troubled upbringing and possible descent into evil. Of course, we have to discount Forever Flashforward and the Brady Bunch of Witch-Lighters. Fine by me. As well as that witchlighter family that was brought up in Season 8. Ugh, this show's continuity.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 16:02:26 GMT -5
Very interesting point, Deano. All of the witchlighters we've seen in the show had troubled childhoods, and we know that Paige and Chris, at least, were 100% accidental, unplanned births. (Heck, Piper nearly died giving birth to Chris.) Assuming she's a witchlighter, too, "Morality Bites" Melinda could also arguably fall into this category. Her parents divorced when she was very young, and she has to grow up in a world where using magic is punishable by death. Just like her Reality Prime counterpart, Wyatt, the seeds were sown for a very troubled upbringing and possible descent into evil. Thanks. Very true - Melinda would've fitted into this mould too and I think that you're right about her possible descent into Evil. In fact, I would say that witnessing Phoebe's execution and Pratt's ongoing persecution of her kind would've been a much more understandable reason for Melinda's "turning" than Wyatt's was, which amounted to: "Gideon kidnapped him when he was barely 1 and it really stressed him out"  . Perhaps someone should do a fanfic following the lives of the cursed Witchlighters  . Uh, I HATED that idea and that stupid Simon Marks. Yet another "plot" that butchered the show's mythology. And what was with Phoebe's throwaway line about the Warrens and Marks "working together during the witch trials"? Well they didn't do a very good job of saving Melinda, did they? I still like to think of Paige as "the first" witchlighter and try to block this episode from memory. |
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