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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 16:36:16 GMT -5
What a load of rubbish. That line could have been excised complete from the episode, and nothing significant would have been missing.
Heck, all of Season Eight could have been excised and nothing significant would be missing!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 18:24:40 GMT -5
Thanks. Very true - Melinda would've fitted into this mould too and I think that you're right about her possible descent into Evil. In fact, I would say that witnessing Phoebe's execution and Pratt's ongoing persecution of her kind would've been a much more understandable reason for Melinda's "turning" than Wyatt's was, which amounted to: "Gideon kidnapped him when he was barely 1 and it really stressed him out"  . Perhaps someone should do a fanfic following the lives of the cursed Witchlighters  . This is an aspect that I'm really starting to wish the show had explored more. Did witchlighters inherently have "cursed" childhoods simply because they were beings who were never "meant" to exist in the first place? And, were Prue, Piper, and Phoebe also "cursed" to an extent when they ended up with a younger witchlighter half-sister? Paige's birth might have really screwed up their destiny, as unfortunate as it is to think about. Uh, I HATED that idea and that stupid Simon Marks. Yet another "plot" that butchered the show's mythology. And what was with Phoebe's throwaway line about the Warrens and Marks "working together during the witch trials"? Well they didn't do a very good job of saving Melinda, did they? I still like to think of Paige as "the first" witchlighter and try to block this episode from memory. Like "Witchstock," Simon Marks is a part of the show that's best left ignored. There's just NO reconciling him with previously established continuity, whatsoever. |
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Post by unakite on Apr 22, 2016 10:43:25 GMT -5
Are we sure that Simon was a witchlighter? Simon speaks of himself as a powerful witch and of his family as a powerful witches dynasty
In that season, even Christy and Billie were traveling in whitelighter style through portions, if Marks dynasty was so powerful and ancient, surely they were be able to create suitable potions
Richard too, thanks to the magic knowledge of his family, was able to appear and disappear
Paige was the "first"whitchlighter and wasn't destined to replace Prue, because Prue wasn't destined to die
Prudence's destiny was to become one of the most powerful witch ever seen and she was, as it's shown in Morality Bites
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Post by erikamarie on Apr 28, 2016 15:07:45 GMT -5
Probably Es is right
In the original timeline, the sisters in 2009 have the kind of power predicted by Melinda
Prue meets a very powerful but also resolved, rich and successful herself
She realizes she is a very lonely woman and her refusal of magic has caused damage even to her sisters
If the journey into the future get what was the true Elders's purpose,to prevent Prue's moving away from magic and her sisters, indirectly influences her making Prue more fearless
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Post by magena on Apr 29, 2016 9:00:40 GMT -5
The alternate timeline started with season 2
After seeing the future, many things have changed:
Prue developed more confidence in her abilities, so to jump later in a new profession
Piper was convinced that Leo and a daughter were in her destiny
Phoebe that she must to turn more independent from her sisters
Each of these beliefs have changed their future
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 29, 2016 17:56:53 GMT -5
The alternate timeline started with season 2 After seeing the future, many things have changed: Prue developed more confidence in her abilities, so to jump later in a new profession Piper was convinced that Leo and a daughter were in her destiny Phoebe that she must to turn more independent from her sisters Each of these beliefs have changed their future WOW! You're absolutely right!!! Great job! |
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Post by Astral Vision on Apr 30, 2016 12:55:29 GMT -5
Or did the alternate timeline start with season one? In That Seventies Episode, the sisters technically returned to an alternate present in which Grams had prepared them a potion and spell to vanquish Nicholas and Patty had unblessed the ring.
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Post by Esmeralda on May 1, 2016 16:30:06 GMT -5
Or did the alternate timeline start with season one? In That Seventies Episode, the sisters technically returned to an alternate present in which Grams had prepared them a potion and spell to vanquish Nicholas and Patty had unblessed the ring. LOL, you're right about that, too. But I'm not as sure about that one because I always thought that That Seventies Episode is when Penny and Patty found out that Patty's daughters would be Charmed and why Penny always talked about their destiny. That was one of Charmed's biggest problems. Since they did time travel differently each time it was used, it's hard to tell what was a time loop and what was the creation of a different timeline. For this one, I could see it being either. None of the others really affect the rest of what happened before the way this one does. |
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Post by sol on May 2, 2016 1:44:01 GMT -5
Or did the alternate timeline start with season one? In That Seventies Episode, the sisters technically returned to an alternate present in which Grams had prepared them a potion and spell to vanquish Nicholas and Patty had unblessed the ring. In That Seventies Episode, there isn't a change but a time loop The sisters discovered why they hadn't powers till Penny's death A time loop is related to the same timeline, it's different when there is a fracture in the timeline In Deja Vu, Tempus rewinds the same day in an attempt to kill the sisters, he doen't cause any break in the timeline In seaon two, there isn't a traumatic break but a slowly change, caused by the consolidation of the sisters's bond In ABHL, Tempus again changes part of what happened that day, he changes the precondition - Phoebe's presence - changing the timeline In season six, Chris's presence doesn't stop the event - Wyatt's kidnapping - that caused his brother's turn but allows leo and the sisters to discovered the truth and it's this knowledge of betrayal that changes their future |
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Post by Esmeralda on May 2, 2016 6:07:01 GMT -5
Or did the alternate timeline start with season one? In That Seventies Episode, the sisters technically returned to an alternate present in which Grams had prepared them a potion and spell to vanquish Nicholas and Patty had unblessed the ring. In That Seventies Episode, there isn't a change but a time loop The sisters discovered why they hadn't powers till Penny's death A time loop is related to the same timeline, it's different when there is a fracture in the timeline In Deja Vu, Tempus rewinds the same day in an attempt to kill the sisters, he doen't cause any break in the timeline In seaon two, there isn't a traumatic break but a slowly change, caused by the consolidation of the sisters's bond In ABHL, Tempus again changes part of what happened that day, he changes the precondition - Phoebe's presence - changing the timeline In season six, Chris's presence doesn't stop the event - Wyatt's kidnapping - that caused his brother's turn but allows leo and the sisters to discovered the truth and it's this knowledge of betrayal that changes their future *nods* What would you say regarding All Halliwell's Eve and Forever Piper, I mean Forever Crap, I mean Forever Charmed? I count the first as a time loop, caused by Cole going back so the sisters needed to fix it, putting it back on track (like Tempus) while FP,FC,FC I count as a new timeline - in the previous one, Phoebe didn't make it and Paige panic-orbed and when she came back and found her half-sisters dead she very happily orbed away and "got out of Dodge", leaving Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper alone since she never got Leo back. Now there's the ending I would've liked to have seen! |
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Post by sol on May 2, 2016 9:18:34 GMT -5
In That Seventies Episode, there isn't a change but a time loop The sisters discovered why they hadn't powers till Penny's death A time loop is related to the same timeline, it's different when there is a fracture in the timeline In Deja Vu, Tempus rewinds the same day in an attempt to kill the sisters, he doen't cause any break in the timeline In seaon two, there isn't a traumatic break but a slowly change, caused by the consolidation of the sisters's bond In ABHL, Tempus again changes part of what happened that day, he changes the precondition - Phoebe's presence - changing the timeline In season six, Chris's presence doesn't stop the event - Wyatt's kidnapping - that caused his brother's turn but allows leo and the sisters to discovered the truth and it's this knowledge of betrayal that changes their future *nods* What would you say regarding All Halliwell's Eve and Forever Piper, I mean Forever Crap, I mean Forever Charmed? I count the first as a time loop, caused by Cole going back so the sisters needed to fix it, putting it back on track (like Tempus) while FP,FC,FC I count as a new timeline - in the previous one, Phoebe didn't make it and Paige panic-orbed and when she came back and found her half-sisters dead she very happily orbed away and "got out of Dodge", leaving Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper alone since she never got Leo back. Now there's the ending I would've liked to have seen! You're right, my only excuse is that I wrote in the early morning! All Halliwell's Eve is a perfect example of time loop, Forever Charmed of a break in the timeline There is a reality in which Piper is left alone, with Leo's help she'll raise their sons, aware of Wyatt's overwhelming power and how the link between the two brothers will be important, because Chris'll always be Wyatt's anchor to reality Then there is the one in which Piper goes back to the past and delivers to the future a large group of baby Halliwell Choose as you like! |
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Post by Granny Charmed on May 3, 2016 0:18:25 GMT -5
The alternate timeline started with season 2 After seeing the future, many things have changed: Prue developed more confidence in her abilities, so to jump later in a new profession Piper was convinced that Leo and a daughter were in her destiny Phoebe that she must to turn more independent from her sisters Each of these beliefs have changed their future WOW! You're absolutely right!!! Great job! Great one, I didn't think of these.  Makes you wonder. I might add that its interesting to think that if this future had happened, Paige *could* of joined Prue and Piper after Phoebe burns. Here the original power of three lasted a long time. Makes you think that fate was always trying to have Paige meet her sisters, and one sister needed to die for that to happen. With the many times one of them died, and came back. I'm not talking about the real behind the scenes reasons, but its a interesting way of looking at it within the series. I'm *very* curious about what if this future had not been seen by the sisters. I really want to see what happens next for the events to unfold leading to 2009. Prue stays at Bucklands, The Source is vanquished with the original power of three and what becomes of Cole? Who is the friend that Phoebe lost in Mortality Bites puzzles me. The only person I can think of is Elise, she did have a bond with Phoebe. I'm maybe one of the few here who wished this future's events was the series final. I wanted that future to come full circle, either its changed - or you cant change fate and the 2009 witch trials still happens and the sisters are forced to do what they did at the end of season 7 and start new lives elsewhere and never look back. |
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Post by unakite on May 3, 2016 0:52:17 GMT -5
The final of season 7 is my favorite
Phoebe read in the Book of Shadows that the witches save the innocents, instead they spent most of their lives as witches fighting the forces of evil, in nightmarish scenarios: they would deserve at least a few years of normal and secure life
The prophecy had been fulfilled, the powerful prophesied witches were starting to discover their powers but Andy's death threatens to ruin this
If Prue had moved away from magic, starting, for example, not to answer to to the request of help from the picture, she would have better relations with the insolvency administrator, she could get the direction and begin her social climbing and getting the Bucklands.
Phoebe, the most insecure and fragile, would not have found the strength to go back to college and would continue to accept some work without creating a true independence
The living from the magic would raise up misunderstandings and problems between Leo and Piper
All this would be very logical if it were not for a given outside the sisters's control: the Apocalypse
Their most important feat for the world is accomplished by the original trio: they save the world from the Apocalypse
It 'hard to see how, in the original timeline, the Apocalypse was avoided
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on May 3, 2016 4:12:33 GMT -5
Who is the friend that Phoebe lost in Mortality Bites puzzles me. The only person I can think of is Elise, she did have a bond with Phoebe. Your right grannycharmed it is Elise who Phoebe lost which you see in the season 9 comics when that revisits the Morality Bites storyline again. |
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Post by sol on May 4, 2016 0:44:52 GMT -5
The final of season 7 is my favorite Phoebe read in the Book of Shadows that the witches save the innocents, instead they spent most of their lives as witches fighting the forces of evil, in nightmarish scenarios: they would deserve at least a few years of normal and secure life The prophecy had been fulfilled, the powerful prophesied witches were starting to discover their powers but Andy's death threatens to ruin this If Prue had moved away from magic, starting, for example, not to answer to to the request of help from the picture, she would have better relations with the insolvency administrator, she could get the direction and begin her social climbing and getting the Bucklands. Phoebe, the most insecure and fragile, would not have found the strength to go back to college and would continue to accept some work without creating a true independence The living from the magic would raise up misunderstandings and problems between Leo and Piper All this would be very logical if it were not for a given outside the sisters's control: the Apocalypse Their most important feat for the world is accomplished by the original trio: they save the world from the Apocalypse It 'hard to see how, in the original timeline, the Apocalypse was avoided You are definitely right We discuss the ongoing Zankou and the Source, instead the more important feat for Humanity is accomplished by Prue Piper and Phoebe Supernatural fiddled around for two seasons with the Apocalypse, Charmed settled the matter in a single episode, an intense, full of ideas episode I love that episode because the premises aren't linked to magical powers, but to the sisters's personality Piper, the one dreaming of normal life, jumps in a tracking down of a Knight pushed only by the impulse to understand what's going on Phoebe, the one attracted by evil, is the first to realize that she has to sacrifice her sister It's their love for the world we live in, their spirit of sacrifice that stops the Apocalypse, withou the need of epics battle However, it is clear that in the Morality Bites 2009 the Apocalypse has been avoided in some way, and this means that the estrangement between the sisters was very slow I'd love if someone'ld reconstruct the first real timeline of Charmed! |
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Post by Granny Charmed on May 4, 2016 4:34:28 GMT -5
The final of season 7 is my favorite Phoebe read in the Book of Shadows that the witches save the innocents, instead they spent most of their lives as witches fighting the forces of evil, in nightmarish scenarios: they would deserve at least a few years of normal and secure life The prophecy had been fulfilled, the powerful prophesied witches were starting to discover their powers but Andy's death threatens to ruin this If Prue had moved away from magic, starting, for example, not to answer to to the request of help from the picture, she would have better relations with the insolvency administrator, she could get the direction and begin her social climbing and getting the Bucklands. Phoebe, the most insecure and fragile, would not have found the strength to go back to college and would continue to accept some work without creating a true independence The living from the magic would raise up misunderstandings and problems between Leo and Piper All this would be very logical if it were not for a given outside the sisters's control: the Apocalypse Their most important feat for the world is accomplished by the original trio: they save the world from the Apocalypse It 'hard to see how, in the original timeline, the Apocalypse was avoided You are definitely right We discuss the ongoing Zankou and the Source, instead the more important feat for Humanity is accomplished by Prue Piper and Phoebe Supernatural fiddled around for two seasons with the Apocalypse, Charmed settled the matter in a single episode, an intense, full of ideas episode I love that episode because the premises aren't linked to magical powers, but to the sisters's personality Piper, the one dreaming of normal life, jumps in a tracking down of a Knight pushed only by the impulse to understand what's going on Phoebe, the one attracted by evil, is the first to realize that she has to sacrifice her sister It's their love for the world we live in, their spirit of sacrifice that stops the Apocalypse, withou the need of epics battle However, it is clear that in the Morality Bites 2009 the Apocalypse has been avoided in some way, and this means that the estrangement between the sisters was very slow I'd love if someone'ld reconstruct the first real timeline of Charmed!Now thats a story I would be *curious* to see written by someone. |
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Post by Esmeralda on May 4, 2016 5:40:50 GMT -5
You are definitely right We discuss the ongoing Zankou and the Source, instead the more important feat for Humanity is accomplished by Prue Piper and Phoebe Supernatural fiddled around for two seasons with the Apocalypse, Charmed settled the matter in a single episode, an intense, full of ideas episode I love that episode because the premises aren't linked to magical powers, but to the sisters's personality Piper, the one dreaming of normal life, jumps in a tracking down of a Knight pushed only by the impulse to understand what's going on Phoebe, the one attracted by evil, is the first to realize that she has to sacrifice her sister It's their love for the world we live in, their spirit of sacrifice that stops the Apocalypse, withou the need of epics battle However, it is clear that in the Morality Bites 2009 the Apocalypse has been avoided in some way, and this means that the estrangement between the sisters was very slow eit I'd love if someone'ld reconstruct the first real timeline of Charmed!Now thats a story I would be *curious* to see written by someone. Not sure I'd want to see it as a story - it would be a bit boring since it would be too much like the canon series - but I'd love to see it as a timeline. Wow - what a thought - what happened in the actual ORIGINAL timeline *without* all of the time travels. Now if it's the original timeline would that mean that time loops are still allowed in it? Otherwise the sisters are killed right away by Nicolas - quick end of timeline... |
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Post by Granny Charmed on May 4, 2016 6:16:47 GMT -5
Now thats a story I would be *curious* to see written by someone. Not sure I'd want to see it as a story - it would be a bit boring since it would be too much like the canon series - but I'd love to see it as a timeline. Wow - what a thought - what happened in the actual ORIGINAL timeline *without* all of the time travels. Now if it's the original timeline would that mean that time loops are still allowed in it? Otherwise the sisters are killed right away by Nicolas - quick end of timeline... You make a very good point that its a quick end if they are killed by Nicolas. Plus time loops too. I guess I misunderstood Esmeralda. I was thinking more of the timeline of where Morality Bites didnt happen or they *did not* see that future. So going forward they are not influenced by where they ended up in that 2009. Thats a story Im curious about - what happens to them without this episode impacting them and seeing where these Charmed Ones ended up and getting to that 2009 future. A timeline is just as good as a story for me. |
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Post by Esmeralda on May 4, 2016 6:35:58 GMT -5
Not sure I'd want to see it as a story - it would be a bit boring since it would be too much like the canon series - but I'd love to see it as a timeline. Wow - what a thought - what happened in the actual ORIGINAL timeline *without* all of the time travels. Now if it's the original timeline would that mean that time loops are still allowed in it? Otherwise the sisters are killed right away by Nicolas - quick end of timeline... You make a very good point that its a quick end if they are killed by Nicolas. Plus time loops too. I guess I misunderstood Esmeralda. I was thinking more of the timeline of where Morality Bites didnt happen or they *did not* see that future. So going forward they are not influenced by where they ended up in that 2009. Thats a story Im curious about - what happens to them without this episode impacting them and seeing where these Charmed Ones ended up and getting to that 2009 future. A timeline is just as good as a story for me. No, GrannyCharmed - I'm the one who misunderstood. You're absolutely right - that would make for a *very* fascinating story... Although I'd also love to see a timeline that shows what would happen in the original timeline with time loops but no time travel that makes them hop out of the original timeline and into an alternate one. So first discussion - of the various time travels, which are time loops and which are actual hops to an alternate timeline while the original one would continue? Or for that matter, were there any other alternate timelines that were not actual ones, just ones set up by the Elders to teach the sisters a lesson, my own explanation for the many differences in the MB timeline and the actual one, since that 2009 is nothing like the 2009 most of us experienced. |
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Post by Granny Charmed on May 4, 2016 6:48:52 GMT -5
You make a very good point that its a quick end if they are killed by Nicolas. Plus time loops too. I guess I misunderstood Esmeralda. I was thinking more of the timeline of where Morality Bites didnt happen or they *did not* see that future. So going forward they are not influenced by where they ended up in that 2009. Thats a story Im curious about - what happens to them without this episode impacting them and seeing where these Charmed Ones ended up and getting to that 2009 future. A timeline is just as good as a story for me. No, GrannyCharmed - I'm the one who misunderstood. You're absolutely right - that would make for a *very* fascinating story... Although I'd also love to see a timeline that shows what would happen in the original timeline with time loops but no time travel that makes them hop out of the original timeline and into an alternate one. So first discussion - of the various time travels, which are time loops and which are actual hops to an alternate one? Or for that matter, were there any other alternate timelines that were not actual ones, just ones set up by the Elders to teach the sisters a lesson, my own explanation for the many differences in the MB timeline and the actual one... gotcha Esmeralda. Hoping someone one day writes it. You have brought up a very good discussion point. I might add I have gotten confused on what is what most of the time. Time loops I would imagine are Deja Vu All Over Again and All Hell Breaks Loose. Time simply went back. Nobody actually went back in time to change anything. Actual hops Centennial Charmed, Morality Bites, That 70s Episode? Witchstock actually saw the future change by the charmed ones in the past before setting things right. A Witch In Time is it a time loop or hop. Piper goes back in time to set things right, and erase that timeline. What about The Bare Witch Project what is that one counted as? I think im starting to confuse myself - someone here im sure can explain things better. |
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