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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 27, 2018 9:07:44 GMT -5
If ONLY Brian Krause hadn't signed his last contract so Chris exploding his atoms would've been the last time we saw Leo! SOOOOO many problems with S6 solved!
Wouldn't you have just loved seeing Chris try to lie his way out of THAT one???
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 27, 2018 17:45:38 GMT -5
Now that would make a great story with Phoebe and Paige forming a resistance against Wyatt. Wouldn't it? It got tiring that practically all the sisters actions, decisions(basically their whole lives) revolving around men and maintaining a relationship with them. Yet it didn't feel that way for Leo and Chris. It was as if they were the only two people involved in the saving Wyatt plot or any sort of character development of their broken father son relationship. Even the end confrontation with Gideon was done solely by Leo on a show which wasn't about him. The Charmed Ones were practically useless and yet again under the influence of stupidity and giggling like morons. In fact the whole world turned into giggling idiots. As if the Prue and Phoebe snorting fairy dust wasn't worst thing that happened in season 3. It's like the writers took the worst parts of the good seasons and amplified it a million times in later seasons. It's like some demon reversed their morality. So writers thought bad was good. Good was bad :-p While I get Piper/Holly had no choice in season 6 finale. But she had a choice in other things before that. Why did she get a season full of meaningless dating subplots instead of a meaningful subplot with her future son? It’s like the writers remembered in Hyde School Reunion that Chris was Piper's son too and there should be some mother son subplot. Then they promptly forgot everything the next episode. Why did we have to suffer yet another Leo/Piper break-up and make-up plot rather than get the answer to the very basic questions like: what happened in the future?!! Even with its flaws, Morality Bites answered more questions in one hour rather than 23 hours of time, money and talent season 6 wasted. That's very true. Morality Bites was a very fantastic self-contained episode, where I felt they answered everything about what happened in this future. With Season 6, I was left puzzled and didn't understand anything that happened in this future. Why they didn't spend the entire 2-part season 6 final on the future story and ditched the other world plot, I'll never know. I didn't get why they didn't do more with Piper and Chris. Even in Hyde School Reunion, I felt we got more with Victor/Chris, than with Piper. This season should have been really big for Piper, but it never felt like it was. Too many subplots with dating other men, and the whole Leo/Piper break-up arc on and off. If ONLY Brian Krause hadn't signed his last contract so Chris exploding his atoms would've been the last time we saw Leo! SOOOOO many problems with S6 solved! Wouldn't you have just loved seeing Chris try to lie his way out of THAT one??? YES YES YES!!! Now I wonder how Season 6-8 would play out without Leo.
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Post by summerreading on Nov 23, 2018 14:50:21 GMT -5
Wonder what our newbies think.
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Post by rebooted on Feb 19, 2019 3:54:48 GMT -5
If ONLY Brian Krause hadn't signed his last contract so Chris exploding his atoms would've been the last time we saw Leo! SOOOOO many problems with S6 solved! Wouldn't you have just loved seeing Chris try to lie his way out of THAT one??? Agreed but the show was already super screwed by then. And rewatching Seasons 1 - 4 would be painful knowing that Prue, Leo and Cole die, Phoebe turns selfish and a +1 is added to contribute to spells.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 19, 2019 7:52:22 GMT -5
If ONLY Brian Krause hadn't signed his last contract so Chris exploding his atoms would've been the last time we saw Leo! SOOOOO many problems with S6 solved! Wouldn't you have just loved seeing Chris try to lie his way out of THAT one??? Agreed but the show was already super screwed by then. And rewatching Seasons 1 - 4 would be painful knowing that Prue, Leo and Cole die, Phoebe turns selfish and a +1 is added to contribute to spells. Oh, don't misunderstand me! I will ALWAYS wish Charmed ended when Shax said, "The end". As far as I'm concerned that's when "Charmed", my favorite TV show *did* end and started the alternate-universe spin-off "The Perils of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper" aka "PhoeME and Her Fantasy Men" aka "Two Witches Plus One Living Whitelighter Equals The Power of Three"?", one of my least-favorite shows. What I meant is if we *were* stuck with what happened in S4 and S5, if Leo wasn't part of S6 it would've made watching S6-8 tolerable, because Chris would've just been a whitelighter (or warlock...) from the future who would become their new whitelighter, not a witch who could contribute to spell, nor would he be Piper and Leo's son and Wyatt would never turn evil in the future and Leo wouldn't become an Elder, an Avatar and a little errand boy. That would make watching it tolerable. And I'd rather miss Leo, the way I miss Prue (but not Cole - I wish he'd died saving Phoebe during 'All Hell Breaks Loose" - then I'd miss him) than hate him the way I did by the end of S8, and the way I have a hunch I would've hated Prue had she not died (too late for Cole....).
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 19, 2019 8:09:09 GMT -5
That's what would've happened had Shannen not been fired obviously. I would have preferred Cole staying dead in LLTQ and Season 5 taking a lighter angle like Season 2. If on top of this Piper gave birth to Melinda, and Phoebe would have come back to being PhoeMe and Paige remained a Social Worker, it could have possibly been one of the best written seasons of Charmed. Was rereading this thread and found this. Oh, Rebooted! YES! YES! YES! Agree with all of this totally! And if the executive producer was thinking in these directions, then maybe S6 would've been better written because the sisters would be tolerable. I've changed my votes from S4 and S6 to S5 and S6.
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Post by rebooted on Feb 19, 2019 16:12:17 GMT -5
I would have preferred Cole staying dead in LLTQ and Season 5 taking a lighter angle like Season 2. If on top of this Piper gave birth to Melinda, and Phoebe would have come back to being PhoeMe and Paige remained a Social Worker, it could have possibly been one of the best written seasons of Charmed. Was rereading this thread and found this. Oh, Rebooted! YES! YES! YES! Agree with all of this totally! And if the executive producer was thinking in these directions, then maybe S6 would've been better written because the sisters would be tolerable. I've changed my votes from S4 and S6 to S5 and S6. Nice! I just recently changed mine from S5 and S6 to S6 and S8. Season 8 could have just been really simple - esp with the lack of budget and focused itself on the sisterhood - something that didn't need special effects. The first episode spelt that out really well with a rift between Paige vs Piper and Phoebe who were rejecting using their powers. There was a real oppotunity here to move the sisters back to the beauty of magic and their bond as sisters!
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Post by West on Feb 19, 2019 19:44:56 GMT -5
Was rereading this thread and found this. Oh, Rebooted! YES! YES! YES! Agree with all of this totally! And if the executive producer was thinking in these directions, then maybe S6 would've been better written because the sisters would be tolerable. I've changed my votes from S4 and S6 to S5 and S6. Nice! I just recently changed mine from S5 and S6 to S6 and S8. Season 8 could have just been really simple - esp with the lack of budget and focused itself on the sisterhood - something that didn't need special effects. The first episode spelt that out really well with a rift between Paige vs Piper and Phoebe who were rejecting using their powers. There was a real oppotunity here to move the sisters back to the beauty of magic and their bond as sisters! I hated S8 that they were in the manor after faking their deaths. Like three cousins living in the manor wasn't so suspicious to everyone. LOL I think them living elsewhere and rebuilding new lives could have been interesting. S8 could have had a time jump too.
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Post by rebooted on Feb 19, 2019 21:45:13 GMT -5
Nice! I just recently changed mine from S5 and S6 to S6 and S8. Season 8 could have just been really simple - esp with the lack of budget and focused itself on the sisterhood - something that didn't need special effects. The first episode spelt that out really well with a rift between Paige vs Piper and Phoebe who were rejecting using their powers. There was a real oppotunity here to move the sisters back to the beauty of magic and their bond as sisters! I hated S8 that they were in the manor after faking their deaths. Like three cousins living in the manor wasn't so suspicious to everyone. LOL I think them living elsewhere and rebuilding new lives could have been interesting. S8 could have had a time jump too. Yeah definitely. They could have gone 5 years forward - with them returning to the manor. Phoebe could have had a kid already.
I know the network wanted Kaley Cucco but imagine if they would have invested in Mom or Grams returning for half a season.
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Post by summerreading on Feb 20, 2019 0:12:32 GMT -5
I hated S8 that they were in the manor after faking their deaths. Like three cousins living in the manor wasn't so suspicious to everyone. LOL I think them living elsewhere and rebuilding new lives could have been interesting. S8 could have had a time jump too. Yeah definitely. They could have gone 5 years forward - with them returning to the manor. Phoebe could have had a kid already.
I know the network wanted Kaley Cucco but imagine if they would have invested in Mom or Grams returning for half a season.
Well, if Phoebe already has her kid, and they just ignore who the father is, and he is just out of the picture, since her getting that daughter seemed more important to Phoebe than who the father was.
Yeah it seemed like that is the whole reason they wanted a S8, as a demand that Kern agreed. Really wished, he refused and the series ended with S7, but of course, he only cares about making more money, and not what is best for the show.
Actually a short-arc where something happened to change the timeline where Mom and Grams or just Mom were alive happened, even though, we'd end up back to the original timeline by the end of course. I've always found a two-parter or even a mini-arc where Patty lived so interesting. Of course, not having Prue present wouldn't make it fun, and I don't think they'd bring Shannen back, of course, not Kern, or Shannen wouldn't like what he wrote.
But a FanFic would be cool.
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Post by pheebs on Feb 20, 2019 7:31:05 GMT -5
I would have preferred Cole staying dead in LLTQ and Season 5 taking a lighter angle like Season 2. If on top of this Piper gave birth to Melinda, and Phoebe would have come back to being PhoeMe and Paige remained a Social Worker, it could have possibly been one of the best written seasons of Charmed. Was rereading this thread and found this. Oh, Rebooted! YES! YES! YES! Agree with all of this totally! And if the executive producer was thinking in these directions, then maybe S6 would've been better written because the sisters would be tolerable. I've changed my votes from S4 and S6 to S5 and S6. This reminds me of some discussions we had on this direction that S5 should have taken last year in another thread. Where this was brought up and could have made the series better.
I know we talked about Paige staying as a social worker, and Phoebe being the one to quit her job and deal with all she went through in S4 properly, and go back to her first love of magic. And Paige's alcoholism could have provided some stories to get the second set of sisters to grow closer, where Piper & Phoebe help her through it when she relapses, and in turn let Phoebe deal with all she had experienced with Cole properly from S4.
I feel S5 being sisterly centric, with personal stories with real problems was a great way to bring them closer together. It is too bad, that if they held off Piper's first child and pregnancy until S6, when Holly was really pregnant. That might have been better. And let S5 go back to basics, and just focus primarily on the second set bonding more and standalone episodes, and a lighter tone like S2.
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Post by rebooted on Feb 20, 2019 16:14:25 GMT -5
Was rereading this thread and found this. Oh, Rebooted! YES! YES! YES! Agree with all of this totally! And if the executive producer was thinking in these directions, then maybe S6 would've been better written because the sisters would be tolerable. I've changed my votes from S4 and S6 to S5 and S6. This reminds me of some discussions we had on this direction that S5 should have taken last year in another thread. Where this was brought up and could have made the series better.
I know we talked about Paige staying as a social worker, and Phoebe being the one to quit her job and deal with all she went through in S4 properly, and go back to her first love of magic. And Paige's alcoholism could have provided some stories to get the second set of sisters to grow closer, where Piper & Phoebe help her through it when she relapses, and in turn let Phoebe deal with all she had experienced with Cole properly from S4.
I feel S5 being sisterly centric, with personal stories with real problems was a great way to bring them closer together. It is too bad, that if they held off Piper's first child and pregnancy until S6, when Holly was really pregnant. That might have been better. And let S5 go back to basics, and just focus primarily on the second set bonding more and standalone episodes, and a lighter tone like S2.
Exactly so! There was so much content to worth with. Especially since Patty came back for the Season 5 premier - It would have been an episode going back to 1978 as spectators to help explain how and where Paige was born and the struggles Patty has in giving up Paige. A nice way to commorate the Charmed Ones being the strongest on their 1 year anniversary - a nod to Season 2. It could have very easily been a way we could have seen little Prue - the sisters could have finally done the summoning spell to Bring Prue's ghost back and be taken back to 1978 or somehow, Patty and Grams coming forward or something - some backfire. There was also the alcoholism with Paige - I mean she could have also LOST her job and then gone to bottle thereafter and then by the end be getting her job back? And Yes - Paige and Phoebe could have very much bonded and helped each other through their difficult times. I would have been good to actually see how anxiety and depression and loss could have left the sisters more vulnerable as their emotions are connected to their powers - rather than building bigger demons than the source to attack them. I know it sounds horrible but a lot of women don't actual carry their first pregnancy and its a very big reality for a lot of women. There were so many opportunities to get the sisterly bonding and helping each other through sisterhood and their femininity. The pregnancy could have been held out to mid way S5 or the end of S5 and the birth of Melinda could have helped them come together and become even more stronger as sisters, mothers and aunties. I often liked how the lighter episodes lifted up the suffering that the sisters were feeling and made them realise the good stuff in life - the stuff that matters.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 20, 2019 19:51:35 GMT -5
Wish they panicked and done a Future pixie cut Phoebe and blonde Paige forming a resistance against Wyatt and also forming secret shelters to protect witches, humans and other beings on Wyatt's elimination list. Something like Leo did in Morality Bites for people and witches to protect from witch hunters. Although his belief to let Phoebe get burned at stake because it would end the madness of witch hunting sounded delusional. Pratt said he would go after other witches after setting Phoebe ablaze. But a difference in opinion on how to save the world and Wyatt between Paige and Phoebe would have been so so much better than fighting over whether Dex is a cheater or Richard is going bonkers. Or even Cole is going evil again and wants Phoebe back bickering. Now that would make a great story with Phoebe and Paige forming a resistance against Wyatt. Thinking of Phoebe and Paige forming a resistance against Wyatt reminds me of my favorite alternate Wyatt/Chris future from one of my favorite fanfics: JustRo's 'A Halliwell Christmas Carol": OH, how I would've loved to have seen that as part of S6! Then S7 and S8 might have been wonderful!
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 24, 2019 18:57:19 GMT -5
Now that would make a great story with Phoebe and Paige forming a resistance against Wyatt. Thinking of Phoebe and Paige forming a resistance against Wyatt reminds me of my favorite alternate Wyatt/Chris future from one of my favorite fanfics: JustRo's 'A Halliwell Christmas Carol": OH, how I would've loved to have seen that as part of S6! Then S7 and S8 might have been wonderful! I don't think I've read this one Es. That would have been fun for S6! If only, S7 & S8 might have been fun to watch.
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Post by ryang on Feb 24, 2019 20:21:41 GMT -5
I look at season 8 much more differently these days after recently re-watching it. I hated it in 2006, it's fine now and my gripes with are no different than with other seasons.
Also, season 5 was pretty good in terms of the quality of individually written episodes
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Post by codebox on Jun 18, 2019 19:10:47 GMT -5
In a theoredical sense Season 8 is worst on an overall technicality. It was just the "I give up" season. Absolutely no continuity is present, pretty much nothing happens and the Billie/Christy vs Charmed Ones thing only came up simply to have a climax. Not to mention the entire season feels as a self fullfulling fan-fiction written by PhoeMe and Viper. (PhoeME narrates the first few episodes after all) Somehow the show cost less and added less despite being the "final" season and somehow their production values were at their lowest. Yet earlier seasons still used more in production even if the effects were never good.
In an overall sense Season 6 is by far the most miserable season. You can just tell how nobody really cares about anything. The characters don't care, the writing sure doesn't care and this season pretty much killed every bit of continuity from the Cleaners, Witchstock screwing with canon, forgetting past rules, personal gain being treated as an everyday affair to more degree and the fact the actors seem to bored and uninterested in most scenes. Outside of Paige/Richard subplots, the season finale and Chris for the most part there isn't a single thing I can think of that felt enjoyable. Piper and Phoebe are just so done with anything having to do with witchcraft and aside from powers and potions to vanquish demons the magical appeal is just gone. It was also had PhoeME's empathy powers, the worst power on the show.
Not to mention the Charmed One's most heinous crimes (both intentionally or unintentionally) are at their worst with abuse of power in this season (the vanquishing of Rick by glamoring him as Chris, stealing Daryl's soul to make him fight in Valhalley, creating a man as a sex slave twice, turning people into animals etc) the only thing missing is their bartering with Avatars in Charmegeddon.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 19, 2019 3:32:45 GMT -5
You'd think after Phoebe acquired empathy she'd be more in touch with things feeling emotions and everything as well as seeing people in danger through her visions to but no the writers saw fit to have her focus on who's the baby daddy instead.
Too right she lost her powers then.
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Post by codebox on Jun 19, 2019 3:46:55 GMT -5
You'd think after Phoebe acquired empathy she'd be more in touch with things feeling emotions and everything as well as seeing people in danger through her visions to but no the writers saw fit to have her focus on who's the baby daddy instead. Too right she lost her powers then. This would be possible if the show cared by that point. By Season 6 Phoebe was so self involved even when given empathy she just made it about herself and how everything was getting on her nerves. One thing that annoyed me in the later seasons among a lot of other things is how it still like to treat the sisters as their early season counterparts, despite feeling and being totally different characters. Season 6 Phoebe is a farcry from Season 1 & especially Season 2 Phoebe. If Phoebe were given this in those seasons this power would've been great! It's not like Phoebe had much powers anyway, after Season 4 she was virtually useless in battle unless otherwise given a specific moment to shine. Remember when Premonitions were used to help innocents or alert a huge threat?
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Post by Elle Em on Jun 19, 2019 10:03:01 GMT -5
It's a tie between 6 and 8 for me. 6 was when it really became completely about Piper and her family, with Phoebe and Paige thrown in as annoying side characters. It wasn't all bad, but I think it should have been a spin-off rather than considered Charmed.
In 8, it was obvious that no one really wanted to be there. It was very offensive to me that the whole alternate identities thing plus Billie was thrown in to give the main three actresses time off. If they didn't want to be there so badly, it should have ended.
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Post by Katie Warren on Jun 19, 2019 22:41:52 GMT -5
It's a tie between 6 and 8 for me. 6 was when it really became completely about Piper and her family, with Phoebe and Paige thrown in as annoying side characters. It wasn't all bad, but I think it should have been a spin-off rather than considered Charmed. In 8, it was obvious that no one really wanted to be there. It was very offensive to me that the whole alternate identities thing plus Billie was thrown in to give the main three actresses time off. If they didn't want to be there so badly, it should have ended. Can't argue with those. 6 especially, was when the sisters were at their all time worse, but it was no longer about three sisters who happen to be witches anymore. I really do think S1-3 and S4-8 are both separate.
I would have been thrilled if it ended at 7, for how bad the show got, at least the half part of S7 was somewhat decent, not perfect, but at least I would have been happy with how it ended with 7, because at least the finale was sisterly centric compared to S8, now I still don't think it was that good, but compared to Forever crap, it was a better finale to have ended the show on.
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