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Post by BriannaWarren on Oct 20, 2016 10:08:50 GMT -5
I do like the sound of this story dear. It would make a very interesting next generation story of Charmed. Quite different. I do like the idea you have going. If this was a fanfiction story - oh this girl would read it. So would I, both of you. Please keep the ideas coming! I shall. This idea just makes sense to me, like he would want to help his mother and get away from the Seer as much as possible but he knows that the only way to leave the Seer would be to get closer towards her ideals and then use them against her before she gets a chance to use them against him. He would have the powers of the source as well as the powers from his mother, therefore helping him along the way would be a massive help. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 21, 2016 6:49:55 GMT -5
Curiosity - what does anyone think we should call Phoebe and Cole's son (besides the Phoetus) and if the Seer names him something, would the Halliwells want to call him something else?
In some stories I've seen him named the way Wyatt was - his father's last name as his first and his mother's last name as *his* last, so like his cousin, this new character would be Turner Halliwell.
In other stories he's simply named after his father: Benjamin Coleridge Turner III and called Ben or Coleridge or Colby.
In other stories (especially the Seer's name for him) I've seen him called Warren since he's the one who would destroy the Warren line or even Damien, as in the Omen.
So what do you think?
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 21, 2016 6:56:30 GMT -5
I agree that Phoebe's children ought to be the focus of any Next Gen spin-off, perhaps even just one of her daughters who has moved from San Francisco and away from her motley crew of all-powerful cousins. Any such show would need to retain an element of danger and also discovery, which is why the main character would be best to be 'isolated' from her family. The premise could be that she is the black sheep of the family and turned her back on magic but when she moves away to college she is drawn to helping Innocents, only her powers and knowledge of the craft is rusty due to years of neglect. She would have to re-learn how to be a witch. I really like this idea, Deano - I've seen something like it before and always thought it would be the best way of doing it. If they decided to make the comics canon by following them in the the spin-off (and much as I dislike S10, my guess is that's what would happen in order for there to be a spin-off - CBS Entertainment which owns the rights to Charmed would want them to be made canon in hopes that more fans would buy them), I think that daughter should be the oldest, PJ aka Prudence Johnna. Especially where she's named after Prue, I can see the others expecting her to be just like Prue and her not liking that (I see her being more like a young Phoebe than a young Prue) which would lead to the scenario you described. On Halloween a year after her vanquish, when the veil between worlds was at its weakest, the Seer reappeared with a young child in her arms. Quickly, she returned to her lair in the Underworld, which had remained untouched in her absence. There, for the next twenty years, she raised the boy to be the tool for her ultimate revenge and her rise to unlimited power, but the only problem was one that she did not foresee: the young adult longed for humanity, his human soul having been one thing the Seer could not have predicted. She had tried to kill it in utero, had tried to stomp it out through his childhood, but now that he had come of age, his humanity prevented him from becoming the weapon that she had so desired. After the Seer confronted him to do as he had been raised to do and kill the Charmed Ones, the young adult fled the Underworld, wanting to live his life as he saw fit for the first time. And with that, Phoebe's son is back. Works for me. I'm liking *both* of these ideas and wonder if they can be combined. By the time Phoebe's son shows up could her oldest daughter already have left - in which case you can save the son as as a surprise half way through the series, the way Prue showing up was in the comics? |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 21, 2016 7:11:13 GMT -5
For another way of looking at how this could've worked and what would be fun in the comics as an alternate-universe storyline is this one: Nightstar's Carry On, My Wayward Son, one of the most amazing Charmed stories I've ever read. And I'll even give you a teaser/spoiler - in that one, which takes place after 'Oh, My Goddess!' and ignores everything in S6-8 and the comics (hence why it's an alternate universe story and would have to take place in the comics or a true reboot), the Phoetus is Chris! If only that had been true in the *canon* Charmeduniverse... |
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Post by BriannaWarren on Oct 21, 2016 9:22:00 GMT -5
Curiosity - what does anyone think we should call Phoebe and Cole's son (besides the Phoetus) and if the Seer names him something, would the Halliwells want to call him something else? In some stories I've seen him named the way Wyatt was - his father's last name as his first and his mother's last name as *his* last, so like his cousin, this new character would be Turner Halliwell. In other stories he's simply named after his father: Benjamin Coleridge Turner III and called Ben or Coleridge or Colby. In other stories (especially the Seer's name for him) I've seen him called Warren since he's the one who would destroy the Warren line or even Damien, as in the Omen. So what do you think? I think that the Seer would give Phoebe's son a veneration of Balthazar, maybe even Balthazor. I would like to believe that he would have a demonic name and a human name, like his father. I like the idea of Benjamin Coleridge Turner III, because it would give him an advantage in the Underworld as a force of evil, like his father, he would want the Cole's demonic reputation. I like the idea that (lets say for argument sakes) that Benjamin would be kind of like Wyatt's opposite, while Wyatt is a force of good but can still turn and be manipulated to turn evil, Benjamin would be the greatest force of evil, the likes that no one would ever known in history, but desires to be good and is willing to do anything for it. |
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Post by cyma on Oct 21, 2016 13:29:41 GMT -5
I'm still kind of undecided on the status of Ben's morality, but I'm decided on one thing. Instead of Seer's return or her having any influence over his upbringing or anything, I would like it to be Elizabeth Turner. His grandmother :-) I think I'll probably be even okay with both Seer and Elizabeth. But not Seer alone.
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Post by BriannaWarren on Oct 21, 2016 14:28:16 GMT -5
I'm still kind of undecided on the status of Ben's morality, but I'm decided on one thing. Instead of Seer's return or her having any influence over his upbringing or anything, I would like it to be Elizabeth Turner. His grandmother :-) I think I'll probably be even okay with both Seer and Elizabeth. But not Seer alone. That's a different outlook on his upbringing, I love the concept, maybe the fact that Elizabeth thinks she failed Cole could of made her more determined to make Benjamin's life more the life she wanted for her son. |
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Post by purelywyatt on Oct 21, 2016 15:38:55 GMT -5
On Halloween a year after her vanquish, when the veil between worlds was at its weakest, the Seer reappeared with a young child in her arms. Quickly, she returned to her lair in the Underworld, which had remained untouched in her absence. There, for the next twenty years, she raised the boy to be the tool for her ultimate revenge and her rise to unlimited power, but the only problem was one that she did not foresee: the young adult longed for humanity, his human soul having been one thing the Seer could not have predicted. She had tried to kill it in utero, had tried to stomp it out through his childhood, but now that he had come of age, his humanity prevented him from becoming the weapon that she had so desired. After the Seer confronted him to do as he had been raised to do and kill the Charmed Ones, the young adult fled the Underworld, wanting to live his life as he saw fit for the first time. And with that, Phoebe's son is back. Works for me. Even though I really really love this and it could be a killer storyline, I kinda don't want Phoebe and Cole's son being brought back HOWEVER I would love another long lost son of Cole being brought to the fold. To me I've always thought that Phoebe was not Cole's only love and that he had many flames in the past. Maybe a former lover also a demon kind of like a mistress of power who only gets with upper level demons to multiply with them had a kid with Cole. Then the Halliwells find out that Brotherhood of Thorn is revived by Cole Turner's blood. They soon jump to the conclusion that Cole's back but unbeknownst to them it's his son and bringing in the nostalgia of the original show The source assigns him the job to infiltrate the Halliwells and get close to them and kill them but like father like son he falls for one of them maybe Piper's daughter Melinda. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 21, 2016 23:26:01 GMT -5
I'm still kind of undecided on the status of Ben's morality, but I'm decided on one thing. Instead of Seer's return or her having any influence over his upbringing or anything, I would like it to be Elizabeth Turner. His grandmother :-) I think I'll probably be even okay with both Seer and Elizabeth. But not Seer alone. That's a different outlook on his upbringing, I love the concept, maybe the fact that Elizabeth thinks she failed Cole could of made her more determined to make Benjamin's life more the life she wanted for her son. Got to say I really like this idea - and I love the idea of the Seer saving Balthazar (a take-off on Cole's Belthazor's name - and I'd like the idea of Benjamin having his own demonic alter ego - but would he? Isn't that what Phoebe's potion got rid of?) and then she battles Elizabeth who wins, renames him Benjamin Coleridge Turner III and raises him to get rid of the woman who did her son so much wrong - Phoebe Halliwell (based on that "Carry On, My Wayward Son" story) but Benjamin decides otherwise... |
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Post by lordumbrex on Oct 22, 2016 1:54:44 GMT -5
Whenever I write about Cole and Phoebe's child, and to be frank, it's basically every story I've ever written about Charmed (since I basically only write about Cole), his name is always Payton and he is always morally good to the point of being obnoxiously good. The reasons for his name is because, quite honestly, I think it fits Phoebe's personality to follow the P naming method of her family and Payton is as good of a male P name as any.
As for his morality, the reason why I make him obnoxiously good is because it twists his character. He fights with evil every day inside of his mind and soul, so he's the opposite of what he's fighting inside: pure, unblemished, as good of a person as anyone. He keeps such a tight leash on his morality because he's afraid of what he would be able to do if he didn't. Plus, I like the idea of Wyatt being the one that is outwardly evil because of his power, while the son of Cole and Phoebe is outwardly good because of his power. It's a good twist on an old trope to me. He forces himself to do the most good because he would be the worst evil imaginable. That's the character I enjoy writing, and would enjoy watching. Though, obviously since he doesn't exist, it's all headcanon so go crazy with your own personal ideas.
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Post by BriannaWarren on Oct 22, 2016 7:37:02 GMT -5
That's a different outlook on his upbringing, I love the concept, maybe the fact that Elizabeth thinks she failed Cole could of made her more determined to make Benjamin's life more the life she wanted for her son. Got to say I really like this idea - and I love the idea of the Seer saving Balthazor (a take-off on the name Cole's Belthazor - and I'd like the idea of Benjamin having his own demonic alter ego - but would he? Isn't that what Phoebe's potion got rid of?) and then she battles Elizabeth who wins, renames him Benjamin Coleridge Turner III and raises him to get rid of the woman who did her son so much wrong - Phoebe Halliwell (based on that "Carry On, My Wayward Son" story) but Benjamin decides otherwise... To be honest, I would like to believe that the Seer would make a tonic to eliminate Phoebe's potion, I would believe that the Seer would want Benjamin to have a Human and Demon side to him, based on the idea that he could assimilate into the human world to gather ideas on destroying it. Elizabeth would try and make Benjamin more like her original plan for her son, never discussing where he came from, why he feels different from the other Demons and wanting to know more about the Seer. But eventually he is drawn to the Halliwell Manor and wants to know why, so he gets the information out of Elizabeth, eventually they make a bargain (this is the last thing he asks and he will do her bidding) she tells him about how Phoebe was his mother and while telling him this story, she adds lies to it (for example: that she never wanted him and she was relieved to not have to give birth to someone like him) so she can manipulate him into never wanting to go near the Charmed Ones or better yet destroy the Charmed Ones. But that doesn't sit well with him, he wants to know her side of the story, so he goes to the Halliwell Manor to go and talk to his mother, Phoebe Halliwell. |
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Post by ljones on Oct 22, 2016 12:16:18 GMT -5
Why should Phoebe and Cole's unborn son be featured in a new show? He was killed in late Season 4. And wasn't their son predicted by the Seer to be a great force of good, before she fed that potion to Phoebe? So, why would he automatically be "the villain" in the first place, if the Seer's potion could be overcome?
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Post by BriannaWarren on Oct 22, 2016 15:30:52 GMT -5
Why should Phoebe and Cole's unborn son be featured in a new show? He was killed in late Season 4. And wasn't their son predicted by the Seer to be a great force of good, before she fed that potion to Phoebe? So, why would he automatically be "the villain" in the first place, if the Seer's potion could be overcome? I wouldn't make Phoebe and Cole's son ''the villain'' of the Next Generation of Charmed, but an Anti-Wyatt. |
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Post by unakite on Oct 23, 2016 6:35:17 GMT -5
Cole and Phoebe's son is dead, he was not even a fetus but an embryo
And the Seer saw a boy, but who can guarantee that Phoebe was pregnant with a male?
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Post by BriannaWarren on Oct 24, 2016 0:16:42 GMT -5
Cole and Phoebe's son is dead, he was not even a fetus but an embryo And the Seer saw a boy, but who can guarantee that Phoebe was pregnant with a male? We don't, we can only go off what we have been told in the series. |
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Post by Charmed by Piper on Oct 24, 2016 0:30:03 GMT -5
Cole and Phoebe's son is dead, he was not even a fetus but an embryo And the Seer saw a boy, but who can guarantee that Phoebe was pregnant with a male? We don't, we can only go off what we have been told in the series. That is a good point. We just do not have enough information to go by. So anybody writing a story and making it a girl, isn't so uncalled for. |
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Post by BriannaWarren on Oct 24, 2016 3:27:22 GMT -5
We don't, we can only go off what we have been told in the series. That is a good point. We just do not have enough information to go by. So anybody writing a story and making it a girl, isn't so uncalled for. Exactly, if anyone is making a story and making Phoebe and Cole's child a girl, can make up some rule, like Seer's can only carry female offspring no matter what circumstance the child has entered your stomach. Just wondering, if their child was a female, what would you believe they would of called their daughter? |
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Post by unakite on Oct 25, 2016 10:35:07 GMT -5
Prudence, of course
It is unthinkable that the first girl born in the Halliwell family can be named in another way
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 25, 2016 18:18:28 GMT -5
Prudence, of course It is unthinkable that the first girl born in the Halliwell family can be named in another way And yet in the comics, despite Piper wanting to call Wyatt Prudence Melinda, her daughter's name is Melinda despite being the oldest, with Phoebe's oldest being Prudence Johnna, nicknamed PJ. In some ways I like that - As long as Piper did away with the "P" tradition with Wyatt and Chris, as long as Melinda's middle name is Prudence, it's okay with me. And with how much Phoebe fought with Prue, I like the idea of her being the one who named her oldest after Prue. I've always wondered if Phoebe and Piper discussed it when Piper was pregnant. I would definitely prefer the oldest girl being Prudence - I wish either PJ was the oldest girl or that Melinda was Prudence Melinda, but no, it's not unthinkable that this wouldn't be so. Fortunately, since the comics aren't canon and Piper never named her daughter, so her daughter's name isn't canon, if anyone wants to think of her as Prudence Melinda, they certainly can. And in the fictional non-canon situation that we're setting up, I like the idea of the oldest girl being named Prudence and wanting to have a normal life like her Aunt Piper, after everyone expects her to be just like her Aunt Prue when she's much more like her mother Phoebe. |
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Post by sol on Oct 26, 2016 0:58:47 GMT -5
If Cole and Phoebe's son was a girl, I'ld like to have a Prudence with Prue grey eyes and a passion for cooking and a great wish of normal life
I'ld like also if Wyatt was as Piper, sweet, quiet, never wishing for limelight, a scholar in ancient languages who wants to live peacefully forgetting his over the top powers
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