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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 10, 2017 19:29:31 GMT -5
Crazy. In that one, Phoebe looks more like Alyssa than Paige looks like Rose or Piper like Holly! First time I've found that to be the case in any issue of Charmed comics - you can usually tell which one is Phoebe by a process of elimination...
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Feb 10, 2017 20:08:39 GMT -5
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 10, 2017 21:38:49 GMT -5
I've seen the first one - again Phoebe looks the most like Alyssa.
The second is so tiny I can't read the print. Can you make it bigger?
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Feb 10, 2017 23:02:05 GMT -5
It is bigger. You just have to click on it in order to see it bigger. Right now it's "fit to screen". Click on it and it shows it's true size. I cannot make it default to the other way around. Sorry.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 11, 2017 7:34:26 GMT -5
It is bigger. You just have to click on it in order to see it bigger. Right now it's "fit to screen". Click on it and it shows it's true size. I cannot make it default to the other way around. Sorry. Maybe it's "fit to screen" on yours but it's not on mine. It's just a tiny bit in the middle of the screen and I can't click on it. Must be my laptop as compared to cell phones - it can be goofy that way. Oh, well. I'll get to read it eventually. |
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Post by Ruth Marie on Mar 8, 2017 3:19:14 GMT -5
Issue 1 is out now I believe, anyone got a copy and can fill us in on details? Much appreciated.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 12, 2017 17:25:55 GMT -5
Issue 1 is out now I believe, anyone got a copy and can fill us in on details? Much appreciated. Thanks for letting us know that it's out, Ruth. I got my copy and it's obviously an alternate-universe one because so far there's been no mention of the kids (YAY!) and Leo is still a whitelighter, but Paige has a new charge she has to go mentor. Typical that in some panels they look a lot like the actors and in others, you have to figure it out. This one does the best of making Phoebe look like Alyssa, although in some I could swear she's being played by Jennifer Love Hewitt, which to me is funny since she's the one I would've liked to see play Paige after Phoebe's the one who dies. What's mainly going on is Real Life is catching up to the three for various reason (Piper's stuck with doing taxes for P3, the Bay Mirror wants Phoebe to handle more responsibilities including a large book of rules and regulations and Paige has her charges) and a demon wants to use this to get to them by possessing people in their lives, like (the first victim), Piper's accountant who Phoebe has a premonition of him stabbing Piper. As one demon puts it, "Think of all the times you've failed to kill the Charmed Ones. Have you ever thought why? I think the answer is twofold. One, you're too impatient. And two...unlike many of you demons, I was once a mortal. True, it's been centuries [which I take to mean he's *not* Cole, but *might* be Zankou], but I still know what humans want. I know their needs...their desires. They want friendship, love...but most of all, they want comfortable lives, equipped with all their precious toys. They want the glitz and glamour so they show each other up. Every demon and warlock, no matter the caste, gains power from the souls of innocents. So I'll not only provide you with the souls to strengthen yourselves...but I'll give you a portal to their world where you can feasts on souls as long as they're plentiful. Teach a demon to fish, and all that." I have a hunch whoever this demon is, he's going to make a heckova Big Bad and I can't wait for the next issue! |
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Mar 12, 2017 17:57:16 GMT -5
Agreed, definitely an AU. The author, Erica, admits to making the choice to give Paige a charge in a time before Piper is visibly pregnant (technically she says when Piper isn't pregnant, but as one reader said, "unless they specifically mention piper NOT being pregnant, I'm gunna assume she is"). Considering Wyatt was born in February during episode fifteen and was two months early (or was it seven weeks?) and Paige had her first charge, her biological father, Sam, in episode nine, six episodes prior (which aired three months prior), you could make the argument that Piper's pregnant, just not showing enough to show in comic form (she'd be about four months along in "Sam I Am" if you used the air date which is possible, and if this was shortly after that, it could work).
Also, beyond the hair not even remotely being season four Paige, Paige just seems more comfortable with Piper and Phoebe than she did in season four. Honestly, Paige makes me think more of season eight Paige than anything else and that makes me wonder about the time line even more.
I think the demon is the one mentioned in the summary of issue 2. If that is true, then it's definitely not Zankou. That would be interesting if it was, but I think this guy is someone new and he is definitely worth finding out more about.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Mar 12, 2017 18:42:47 GMT -5
Issue 1 is out now I believe, anyone got a copy and can fill us in on details? Much appreciated. Thanks for letting us know that it's out, Ruth. I got my copy and it's obviously an alternate-universe one because so far there's been no mention of the kids (YAY!) and Leo is still a whitelighter, but Paige has a new charge she has to go mentor. Typical that in some panels they look a lot like the actors and in others, you have to figure it out. This one does the best of making Phoebe look like Alyssa, although in some I could swear she's being played by Jennifer Love Hewitt, which to me is funny since she's the one I would've liked to see play after Phoebe's the one who dies. What's mainly going on is Real Life is catching up to the three for various reason (Piper's stuck with doing taxes for P3, the Bay Mirror wants Phoebe to handle more responsibilities including a large book of rules and regulations and Paige has her charges) and a demon wants to use this to get to them by possessing people in their lives, like (the first victim), Piper's accountant who Phoebe has a premonition of him stabbing Piper. As one demon puts it, "Think of all the times you've failed to kill the Charmed Ones. Have you ever thought why? I think the answer is twofold. One, you're too impatient. And two...unlike many of you demons, I was once a mortal. True, it's been centuries [which I take to mean he's *not* Cole, but *might* be Zankou], but I still know what humans want. I know their needs...their desires. They want friendship, love...but most of all, they want comfortable lives, equipped with all their precious toys. They want the glitz and glamour so they show each other up. Every demon and warlock, no matter the caste, gains power from the souls of innocents. So I'll not only provide you with the souls to strengthen yourselves...but I'll give you a portal to their world where you can feasts on souls as long as they're plentiful. Teach a demon to fish, and all that." I have a hunch whoever this demon is, he's going to make a heckova Big Bad and I can't wait for the next issue! Thank you for the rundown Es, much appreciated. I mentioned in a thread how I liked season 5, and that if Cole was gone I could enjoy it more. This alternate comic, might just be what I needed. Hopefully I can get a copy, if not I am sure a graphic novel might be out sometime. But your right, it can't be set in the series. Unless it takes place at the end of season 4 but before Witch Way Now. Even then the continuity error of Paige's charge is the issue. Yeah best to treat it as an alternate universe, if Witch Way Now never happened and Cole is gone right? Unless he shows up later. |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Mar 12, 2017 18:55:56 GMT -5
Well if they can make the sisters how I like them dears, and I guess we have to have Piper pregnant or not showing yet. But oh would I adore the thought of it being an alternate season 5, if Piper wasn't pregnant.
It looks so good by the sounds of it, so I might just need my copy.
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Post by cyma on Mar 13, 2017 4:39:21 GMT -5
I'm dubbing this as an alternate season 4.5 comic. Paige seems to have quit her social worker job and now has a charge. Piper isn't pregnant yet and Phoebe is dealing with social media stuff at work. Did social media even exist back then?
Besides no Prue, the only other thing I have a problem with is Paige having charges. It makes no logical sense when she's already a Charmed One. Her Charmed status would always put her charges in more danger than full whitelighters. Not to mention she can't heal.
I guess if the Elders have problems with future whitelighters, they assign Paige as their whitelighter to 'protect' them :-p I'm gonna bet Paige's charge would be dead and her soul trapped in the Underworld by issue 3.
The Piper not being pregnant yet is one change I'm happy with. The twice-blessed super awesome powerful unborn baby with a shield and a trillion other powers got annoying way too fast combined with Piper and Leo's constant martial spats about Leo's absence. Also stalker and obsessed Cole's absence is also good.
The thing I like best is the artwork. Much better than the first issue of season 9 and 10.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 13, 2017 8:09:28 GMT -5
I'm dubbing this as an alternate season 4.5 comic. Paige seems to have quit her social worker job and now has a charge. Piper isn't pregnant yet and Phoebe is dealing with social media stuff at work. Did social media even exist back then? Besides no Prue, the only other thing I have a problem with is Paige having charges. It makes no logical sense when she's already a Charmed One. Her Charmed status would always put her charges in more danger than full whitelighters. Not to mention she can't heal. I guess if the Elders have problems with future whitelighters, they assign Paige as their whitelighter to 'protect' them :-p I'm gonna bet Paige's charge would be dead and her soul trapped in the Underworld by issue 3. The Piper not being pregnant yet is one change I'm happy with. The twice-blessed super awesome powerful unborn baby with a shield and a trillion other powers got annoying way too fast combined with Piper and Leo's constant martial spats about Leo's absence. Also stalker and obsessed Cole's absence is also good. The thing I like best is the artwork. Much better than the first issue of season 9 and 10. Me, I'd call it Charmed 2.0, since it doesn't feel like Season Five at all. It's more like what Season 8 might have been like had Cole stayed in Season Four where he belonged and the show never jumped the shark - no Wyatt so no Chris so no Elder-Avatar-Mortal Leo. No Chris also means no baby-daddy-search for Phoebe. All the things I don't like about the latter seasons never happened EXCEPT Paige having a charge. I wish they'd kept her as a social worker and *that* be what she meant by charge, but you can't have everything. |
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 13, 2017 9:59:40 GMT -5
If this takes place soon after season 4 begins I feel like they should wait a little bit before giving her a charge considering she is still learning about the magic world and everything that entails herself. Of course she learns fast but I feel she should have a little time to hone her skills before guiding a charge.
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 13, 2017 17:31:46 GMT -5
But that's why I *don't* think it's an alternate S5. At one point Piper tells her, "You should've waited for us, Paige." and she responds, "Please...he was a low life, low level demon. I've vanquished worse in my sleep." Does that sound like still-very-new-to-the craft Paige? Sounds more like independent S7-S8 Paige to me. But there's no sign of any of the guys who were constantly in her life, just like there's no sign of any of the guys in Phoebe's, like no sign of Jason at the Bay Mirror - just of Elise and other people who are in charge.
Like I said, I think it's an alternate universe where they're *not* the Charmed Ones in my signature but more the ones I wish they had been. Piper complains about her real life rather than whining about not having one, and although she complains, she doesn't constantly feel sorry for herself; Phoebe doesn't just think of herself or look for the next guy to spread her legs for; Paige isn't a ditz. It's the Charmed Ones who are the stars, since the only one (so far) with a man is Piper and the only man she has is Leo, not her boys. And Piper even calls Phoebe Phoebs, even if they spell it Pheebs. Piper *never* called Phoebe Phoebs once Prue was dead.
Now this is just my reaction to the first issue - it may change as the series continues, but for me, it's fun seeing what latter Charmed might have been like had they moved to a different network.
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 13, 2017 18:04:05 GMT -5
You are correct, that definitely does not sound like season 4 Paige. Wait I'm confused though what did Chris have to do with Phoebe's baby quest? I am now realizing what an underrated character Elise was. I loved her and how she was very supportive of Phoebe running off to kill a demon even though she just was told it was a family emergency.
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 13, 2017 18:11:36 GMT -5
I have never read the comics but I would like to but I am confused about season 9 and 10, are they picking up after Forever Charmed or are they telling a completely different story? Is it like the official addition on to Charmed?
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Post by Granny Charmed on Mar 13, 2017 19:26:21 GMT -5
I just got my copy of issue 1 from my granddaughter who got it for me at the comic store. I must say, I really enjoyed the issue. I have to say the writer of these comics has captured the essence of the sisters I love. But this is just one issue, I need to read on to make a a better judgement dears.
I have to agree with others, it does feel like an alternate universe. Which isn't such a bad thing, because comics reinvent themselves dears and reboot all the time e.g DC.
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Post by StoryGirl83 on Mar 13, 2017 20:06:06 GMT -5
I have never read the comics but I would like to but I am confused about season 9 and 10, are they picking up after Forever Charmed or are they telling a completely different story? Is it like the official addition on to Charmed? Season nine starts 18 months after Forever Charmed. Season ten is a direct continuation of that (along with a few novels written by Paul and Pat). Per Paul, you can decide if the comics are canon. Per Zenescope (the publisher), they are canon. I couldn't get a response from CBS . . . on anything including that question. I do know that CBS has to okay every single issue which did hold up at least two issues over the course of the Zenescope comics (issue 8 of season 9 and issue 19 of season 10 if I remember correctly, without CBS Henry would have died in season 10). As Zenoscope was the highest authority to answer me, I tend to go with that. Sometimes I like that answer, sometimes I don't. Whether you agree that it is canon or not, it is an in universe continuation from official sources that, unlike the books (and the new comics), does not contradict canon. I try not to enter that particular argument. I settled it in my own mind when Zenescope responded that it was canon. I realize that doesn't matter to a lot of people and it isn't important enough to me to make it an issue, so I basically do a modified version of what Paul said. I choose to listen to what Zenescope said on the matter. Others may choose to weigh in on the fact that CBS was silent. |
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Post by charmedforlife28 on Mar 13, 2017 22:10:11 GMT -5
I have never read the comics but I would like to but I am confused about season 9 and 10, are they picking up after Forever Charmed or are they telling a completely different story? Is it like the official addition on to Charmed? Season nine starts 18 months after Forever Charmed. Season ten is a direct continuation of that (along with a few novels written by Paul and Pat). Per Paul, you can decide if the comics are canon. Per Zenescope (the publisher), they are canon. I couldn't get a response from CBS . . . on anything including that question. I do know that CBS has to okay every single issue which did hold up at least two issues over the course of the Zenescope comics (issue 8 of season 9 and issue 19 of season 10 if I remember correctly, without CBS Henry would have died in season 10). As Zenoscope was the highest authority to answer me, I tend to go with that. Sometimes I like that answer, sometimes I don't. Whether you agree that it is canon or not, it is an in universe continuation from official sources that, unlike the books (and the new comics), does not contradict canon. I try not to enter that particular argument. I settled it in my own mind when Zenescope responded that it was canon. I realize that doesn't matter to a lot of people and it isn't important enough to me to make it an issue, so I basically do a modified version of what Paul said. I choose to listen to what Zenescope said on the matter. Others may choose to weigh in on the fact that CBS was silent. This is going to sound stupid but what is a canon/fanon character? |
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Post by Esmeralda on Mar 13, 2017 22:48:17 GMT -5
Canon is a character who appears on the show and is named on the show and is identified on the show. Fanon are characters that fans name.
The best example is the little girl we see with Wyatt and Chris in the flash-forward at the end of 'Forever Crap', I mean 'Forever Piper', I mean 'Forever Charmed'. Because Piper never mentions a daughter and never calls her by name, we don't officially know who she is. Most fans think she's their younger sister, Melinda. I tend to think she's their younger sister Prudence Melinda, since Prudence was what Piper was going to name Wyatt if he was the girl he should've been. Others, especially Charmed Sons fans who don't want a younger sister taking away attention from the boys, will say that she's not related at all and instead that she's a friend or a cousin. None of those are right in the same way none of those are wrong - we simply don't know, because like all of the other girls, Kern, who wrote the finale, didn't think it important enough to give them names. So all of those names are fanon, just like we don't know Piper's granddaughter's name. The only next-generation names that are canon are Wyatt, Chris, Paige's son Henry Jr. and Leo's grandson Matthew.
Because not every fan can get a hold of the books and the comics, most fans agree that despite what Zenescope said, the names Paul Ruditis gave the other kids (Piper's daughter Melinda, Paige's twins Kat and Tam, and Phoebe's daughters Prudence Johnna (nicknamed PJ), Parker and Patience) are official fanon - if fans want to use them in their fanfics, they can, but if they want to use others, they also can. Also using them as answers to trivia isn't usually considered polite.
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