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Post by rebooted on Feb 8, 2018 16:27:49 GMT -5
I may be being stupid, but what is Shannen's issue with the reboot? I'm confused  I'll give it a go because - why not. Although I'm a bit disappointed that the premonition power has been replaced by telepathy. Mind-reading can cause so many potential continuity problems/plot holes. I hope they go down more so down the 'sensing'/interpreting route, rather than straight-up 'hearing thoughts'. Also, how much do you want to bet that they'll cast the 'Paige' character as biracial, and her half-sisters as white? Then along with the lesbian middle sister - boom! diversity box ticked. If you watch interviews of Shannen, I pick up on two things she is driven by... passion and reward. Rightly so, through royalties, the hard work she puts in, she wants to be recognized for the work she puts and rewarded for the portrayal or her image, character and legacy.
At the end of the day, because Shannen was a director and attributed a lot to the success to the show with her portrayal as the 'true' lead in Season 1, and Holly and Alyssa being producers who actually sounded like they were as equal as show runners to Brad Kern - I think the three of them feel like they 'own' charmed in conjunction with the writers and the fans (As per Holly's Post). And I guess the show is important to them because they came of age and went through their 20's and 30's, some got married and had kids etc. Like Grams, its hard to watch the next generation take over.
To be honest with you I have more faith in the reboot being more of a success than Seasons 1 - 8 put together, so I am not worried about being entertained. Just as along as there is good conflict and interesting characters and that they learn the practicalities or personal gain etc., I'll be happy. I personally never minded the romantic relationships on Charmed, especially the long term ones like Andy, Leo, Cole, Jason. It was the useless Nick Lachey and Dex ones that bored me.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 8, 2018 17:12:59 GMT -5
Holly seems to be the only one who is actually taking this way more offensive than the others. The others make a comment or two, but Holly is so unhappy and complaining over and over.
The one good thing is Brad Kern won't be anywhere near the reboot. I hope they have learned the mistakes the original show made, and Kern didn't understand how to write women and didn't care when he fully took over in Season 3-8.
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Post by purelywyatt on Feb 8, 2018 18:31:50 GMT -5
Another thing dears. Anyone here watched Jane the Virgin. The showrunners of the Charmed reboot did that show. So I'm curious just what is the writing style like and how do they write female characters? I watch Jane The Virgin. It's a Chick Lit at best but it has heart. It has it's cheesy moments but it is really good. The female characters are written very well they even mirror the Halliwell sisters a little. Jane is very much Season 1 Piper (neurotic and reserved), her mother is like Phoebe (free-spirited) and the grandmother is like Prue (strong-willed). Jessica and Amy are very notorious for writing chick lits/flicks but they are very good writers. I was on the fence with them helming the project but I'll give them a chance. They have a very distinct female voice that could prove to be successful with this reboot. This is the first time they'll be showrunning so I hope they don't tarnish the legacy. |
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Post by jjfm on Feb 8, 2018 20:24:45 GMT -5
I think it would be really cool if they somehow crossed over with the American Horror Story Coven.
The Warren line being as powerful as it is, I could see them manifesting the 7 Wonders and in some cases the individual witches have so it’s only a matter of time before one of their decendants does. Maybe even Wyatt could do that?
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Telekinesis: Pretty much a staple in the Warren line (Prue, Wyatt, Chris)
Pyrokinesis: Phoebe has been shown to have this power naturally in her past life as P. Russell. Piper and Paige’s daughter can also create fire through molecular acceleration, although it may be a stretch the test is simply to light a candle.
Transmutation: When the Charmed ones turned evil they naturally gained this ability. They could blink/teleport at will as well as literal transmutation of morphing things and people. In the first season it was mentioned that the warlock Matthew Tate took the power to blink from a witch. I think turning evil allowed them to access the full extent of their powers without fear of consequence.
Descensum: Basically the power to astral project to hell and back. All of the sisters learned how to astral project by the end of the season and part of this is concurring your personal hell. The many times they’ve overcame Barbas proves this an easy feat.
Divination: this was apparently another power of P. Russell and eventually evolved into premonition which manifested in Phoebe.
Concilium: Mind Control. I don’t remember anyone using this power straight up. But maybe Phoebe’s psychic power of empathy when she can control emotions of others could eventually evolve into this? Also other witches have been shown to have telepathy and although I can’t find in what context the charmed wiki says Billie through projection could mind manipulate. Maybe then Wyatt can do this since he has projection?
Vitalum Vitalis: this ones tricky. It’s not simply healing or regeneration. It’s giving your life force to restore to another or even vice versa by stealing life force from another to add to your own. It can actually heal the dead unlike the actual healing power on the show. Fiona of American Horror Story used it to breathe life into a stillborn baby at the hospital. She also used it on a doctor to steal a bit of his youth. The Sanderson sisters from Hocus Pocus used it to suck out the life force of children and restore their youth.
I think that eventually a descendent of the Charmed Warren line could eventually possess all of these skills if not through Wyatt’s power of projection aka whatever the f he wants.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 9, 2018 1:22:53 GMT -5
Another thing dears. Anyone here watched Jane the Virgin. The showrunners of the Charmed reboot did that show. So I'm curious just what is the writing style like and how do they write female characters? I watch Jane The Virgin. It's a Chick Lit at best but it has heart. It has it's cheesy moments but it is really good. The female characters are written very well they even mirror the Halliwell sisters a little. Jane is very much Season 1 Piper (neurotic and reserved), her mother is like Phoebe (free-spirited) and the grandmother is like Prue (strong-willed). Jessica and Amy are very notorious for writing chick lits/flicks but they are very good writers. I was on the fence with them helming the project but I'll give them a chance. They have a very distinct female voice that could prove to be successful with this reboot. This is the first time they'll be showrunning so I hope they don't tarnish the legacy. I guess it can't be any worse than how Brad Kern wrote Charmed in Season 3-8. I can see how they ended up attached to this reboot, if as you said some of the characters in Jane the Virgin are similar a little to The Halliwell sisters. Time will tell how well it does. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 4:53:43 GMT -5
I may be being stupid, but what is Shannen's issue with the reboot? I'm confused I'll give it a go because - why not. Although I'm a bit disappointed that the premonition power has been replaced by telepathy. Mind-reading can cause so many potential continuity problems/plot holes. I hope they go down more so down the 'sensing'/interpreting route, rather than straight-up 'hearing thoughts'. Also, how much do you want to bet that they'll cast the 'Paige' character as biracial, and her half-sisters as white? Then along with the lesbian middle sister - boom! diversity box ticked. If you watch interviews of Shannen, I pick up on two things she is driven by... passion and reward. Rightly so, through royalties, the hard work she puts in, she wants to be recognized for the work she puts and rewarded for the portrayal or her image, character and legacy.
At the end of the day, because Shannen was a director and attributed a lot to the success to the show with her portrayal as the 'true' lead in Season 1, and Holly and Alyssa being producers who actually sounded like they were as equal as show runners to Brad Kern - I think the three of them feel like they 'own' charmed in conjunction with the writers and the fans (As per Holly's Post). And I guess the show is important to them because they came of age and went through their 20's and 30's, some got married and had kids etc. Like Grams, its hard to watch the next generation take over.
To be honest with you I have more faith in the reboot being more of a success than Seasons 1 - 8 put together, so I am not worried about being entertained. Just as along as there is good conflict and interesting characters and that they learn the practicalities or personal gain etc., I'll be happy. I personally never minded the romantic relationships on Charmed, especially the long term ones like Andy, Leo, Cole, Jason. It was the useless Nick Lachey and Dex ones that bored me. Maybe the women were hoping for a reunion instead of a reboot but, honestly, I'm more excited about the reboot. I would've only liked a reunion if it was going to be a decent storyline and if all four sisters had been involved, and I doubt Rose would be. Holly seems to be the only one who is actually taking this way more offensive than the others. The others make a comment or two, but Holly is so unhappy and complaining over and over. The one good thing is Brad Kern won't be anywhere near the reboot. I hope they have learned the mistakes the original show made, and Kern didn't understand how to write women and didn't care when he fully took over in Season 3-8. This exactly. Hopefully the female leads will not stand for being put in ridiculous costumes this time around. |
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Post by cyma on Feb 9, 2018 11:35:13 GMT -5
Move over Piper, Phoebe, Paige and Prue — there’s a new bewitching sister act coming your way, and their parents were fans of alliteration, too! Move over? This seriously rubs me the wrong way. Bewtiching sister act? Yeah.....so far CW hasn't been able to impress me with their sister characters on their shows. Individually the characters are great. eg. Sara Lance on Arrow and Legends of Tomorrow. But compared to Charmed, the level of chemistry between sister characters just isn't up to the bewitching level. Macy, Mel, Madison.....Mabel, Mitzy, Margo. Jenny/Jamie, Julie, Jo Bennet. Names are making me flashback to the worst seasons of Charmed rather than reminding me about Melinda Warren or Melinda. But I seriously don't get why Charmed gets screwed with names. Superman is still Clark Kent not Mark Pent. Spiderman is still Peter Parker and not Merkel Harker. Even Sabrina Spellman is still Sabrina Spellman in her reboot! So why are the Halliwells not Halliwells in the reboot?  While I'm still peeved at the names and a million other things, I'm kind of okay with these description of the sisters. I'm actually more than okay with the oldest sister. I always hoped Prue--well the oldest sister should be a scientist or something in the reboot because it would be interesting for a scientist to try and explain and figure out magic....and bam! Phd in quantum physics. So if oldest got separated from her sisters....does that mean she's a hybrid demon or whitelighter or did Matty and Grams Pruitt both kicked the bucket early and she was separated because she and her sisters were still children and couldn't be adopted together? |
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Post by sky1 on Feb 9, 2018 13:34:04 GMT -5
Considering how much certain CW shows last. There is a very big chance this series will be canceled during it's first season. Especially if it's another Secret Circle type show!
Btw I don't mind the names, since it will help me make distance between this show and Charmed. There were only one set of sisters with names Pru, Piper and Phoebe. At least for first three seasons!
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 9, 2018 17:47:40 GMT -5
Holly seems to be the only one who is actually taking this way more offensive than the others. The others make a comment or two, but Holly is so unhappy and complaining over and over. The one good thing is Brad Kern won't be anywhere near the reboot. I hope they have learned the mistakes the original show made, and Kern didn't understand how to write women and didn't care when he fully took over in Season 3-8. This exactly. Hopefully the female leads will not stand for being put in ridiculous costumes this time around. My thoughts exactly. I hope the show's mythology is a little better and doesn't keep changing the rules to fit the story and episode. I would like to see more focus on Witchcraft and the Wicca mythology being dealt with more than Charmed did. Considering how much certain CW shows last. There is a very big chance this series will be canceled during it's first season. Especially if it's another Secret Circle type show! Btw I don't mind the names, since it will help me make distance between this show and Charmed. There were only one set of sisters with names Pru, Piper and Phoebe. At least for first three seasons! Yeah, that's actually good that we are not getting a reboot with a new set of Prue, Piper and Phoebe characters. It does some competition against the Sabrina reboot on Netflix. Not that they are both on the same network, but I'm sure people are going to find one more interesting over the other. Makes me wonder if Sabrina had stayed on The CW, we may never have gotten Charmed ordered to pilot at The CW. |
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Post by rebooted on Feb 9, 2018 17:57:22 GMT -5
I can't see a good reunion if the cast just can't get along with each other, I'd rather leave Charmed in the past if I knew now, that I would be watching a reunion wondering if the leads were all being fake and unauthentic with each other.
Rose seems to haaaaaateeee Alyssa
Holly slammed Alyssa last year with the 'High School' comment
Shannen and Alyssa have one of the most famous feuds in Hollywood
Holly and Shannen fell out for a while
If Rose hates Alyssa ("she's a lie") then I wouldn't be surprised if she hated HMC's as well.
Which is why I am all for the reboot with new actors. It feels fresh and contemporary.
Charmed was at its finest both behind the scenes and in front of the scenes in the first two seasons. That was 1998-2000. 20 years ago.
In all the years that I've dreamed as a little boy that the 4 of them getting together, whilst the show was on air and then subsequently, it seems like the leads are all as selfish as their characters ended up being towards the end of the series run. They don't own the show, the fans do.
Get it together, for the fans, if in fact that's what the real reason is for why they want to get together, or else, sorry to be blunt, but all four of them can get lost...
Bring on the next (non-Halliwell) generation.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Feb 9, 2018 18:15:00 GMT -5
I can't see a good reunion if the cast just can't get along with each other, I'd rather leave Charmed in the past if I knew now, that I would be watching a reunion wondering if the leads were all being fake and unauthentic with each other. Rose seems to haaaaaateeee Alyssa Holly slammed Alyssa last year with the 'High School' comment Shannen and Alyssa have one of the most famous feuds in Hollywood Holly and Shannen fell out for a while If Rose hates Alyssa ("she's a lie") then I wouldn't be surprised if she hated HMC's as well. Which is why I am all for the reboot with new actors. It feels fresh and contemporary. Charmed was at its finest both behind the scenes and in front of the scenes in the first two seasons. That was 1998-2000. 20 years ago. In all the years that I've dreamed as a little boy that the 4 of them getting together, whilst the show was on air and then subsequently, it seems like the leads are all as selfish as their characters ended up being towards the end of the series run. Get it together, for the fans, if in fact that's what the real reason is for why they want to get together, or else, sorry to be blunt, but all four of them can get lost... Bring on the next generation. I think this is why a reboot is happening. Far too much drama with the four ladies over the years, that nothing is going to happen to get them all to agree to take part. All the behind the scenes drama with them would make a documentary reunion all by itself. But if they did a reunion, they have to stick to where we left off with Forever Charmed, unless they pulled a Will and Grace and undid the final episode's flashforwards or rebooted to an earlier point, or just found a way that they don't have to show the nine children of the Charmed Ones in the story. Maybe it's best to not try and repair the damage that was done to Charmed by Kern. I hope the reboot will learn from the original on what went wrong, and try and no go down the same path. Wouldn't hurt to try and be very different. I don't want to see the same and similar storylines being done again. Seeing a Piper-witch/Leo-whitelighter relationship again or a Phoebe-witch/Cole-half demon is just not that I want to see again. Maybe a compromise could be a witch-warlock relationship if you had to pair a sister up with someone evil. |
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Post by purelywyatt on Feb 9, 2018 19:04:37 GMT -5
The character description of Macy has been on my mind since it was announced. It got me wondering- did the sisters' mom had her young like in her teens and wasn't prepared to be a mother OR is it something else. On another note, I hope they don't cast brunettes. I'll be okay with redheads but I really hope they're either African American or biracial or even Italian or something. Just not actresses that can pass for the daughters of the OG's
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Post by Miranda Turner on Feb 9, 2018 19:25:49 GMT -5
The character description of Macy has been on my mind since it was announced. It got me wondering- did the sisters' mom had her young like in her teens and wasn't prepared to be a mother OR is it something else. You may be onto something. Because the description for the other sisters, mentions a tragic accident with the grieving Mel being angry and pushing people away including her girlfriend. So it seems their mother or father or both may have been killed. Not sure if it happens prior to the series much like Grams dying. But I'm curious just why Macy didn't grow up with her sisters too. Maybe her father is a demon, a warlock or something and why her mother sent her away when she had her as a teen. Could the devilishly description for one of the supporting cast be the show's or first season's big bad that played a part in the death of a family member, be Macy's father or something too. The devilishly handsome description really has me curious. Do they mean in the "good-looking term" as in a man who looks so attractive that others swoon over him or he has a devious personality that he might end up being the villain? I hope it is the later. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 20:51:24 GMT -5
I can't see a good reunion if the cast just can't get along with each other, I'd rather leave Charmed in the past if I knew now, that I would be watching a reunion wondering if the leads were all being fake and unauthentic with each other. Rose seems to haaaaaateeee Alyssa Holly slammed Alyssa last year with the 'High School' comment Shannen and Alyssa have one of the most famous feuds in Hollywood Holly and Shannen fell out for a while If Rose hates Alyssa ("she's a lie") then I wouldn't be surprised if she hated HMC's as well. Which is why I am all for the reboot with new actors. It feels fresh and contemporary. Charmed was at its finest both behind the scenes and in front of the scenes in the first two seasons. That was 1998-2000. 20 years ago. In all the years that I've dreamed as a little boy that the 4 of them getting together, whilst the show was on air and then subsequently, it seems like the leads are all as selfish as their characters ended up being towards the end of the series run. They don't own the show, the fans do. Get it together, for the fans, if in fact that's what the real reason is for why they want to get together, or else, sorry to be blunt, but all four of them can get lost... Bring on the next (non-Halliwell) generation. I couldn't agree more. For four women who have been so proud to be part of such a "woman-power" show, their behaviour towards each other has been disgraceful at times. I will excuse Rose a little, in this instance, as I believe she is suffering from mental illness on account of alleged abuse. However, I think the women now represent a dated perception of female empowerment: bitchiness, feuding, the pornification of Charmed (Holly and Alyssa were producers!). I grew up watching Prue, Piper, Phoebe and Paige so they'll always be special to me but, quite frankly, I'm much more excited by the possibility of a new generation, MY generation, doing a better job of portraying female solidarity. Fingers crossed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 20:57:21 GMT -5
On a lighter note - I remember thinking when AHS: Coven first aired that it would've been cool if a Charmed reboot followed a similar mythology, witchcraft v. voodoo, and that the 'lost sister' (i.e. Paige) could've been a mixed race, half-witch/half-voodoo priestess. This would've been so much more interesting than making another half-whitelighter character.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 9, 2018 21:19:37 GMT -5
Another thing dears. Anyone here watched Jane the Virgin. The showrunners of the Charmed reboot did that show. So I'm curious just what is the writing style like and how do they write female characters? I watch Jane The Virgin. It's a Chick Lit at best but it has heart. It has it's cheesy moments but it is really good. The female characters are written very well they even mirror the Halliwell sisters a little. Jane is very much Season 1 Piper (neurotic and reserved), her mother is like Phoebe (free-spirited) and the grandmother is like Prue (strong-willed). Jessica and Amy are very notorious for writing chick lits/flicks but they are very good writers. I was on the fence with them helming the project but I'll give them a chance. They have a very distinct female voice that could prove to be successful with this reboot. This is the first time they'll be showrunning so I hope they don't tarnish the legacy. I must admit that hearing this and remembering that I loved Charmed the most when when it *was* "Child Lit with heart and cheesy moments", so I might just like this after all, especially if they can find two actresses who have the sort of chemistry that Shannen and Holly had, with the other actress having it but not as strongly, since I'd prefer if the oldest one hadn't been raised with the others and that it would take a while for them to seem like sisters. |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Feb 10, 2018 3:19:46 GMT -5
Another thing dears. Anyone here watched Jane the Virgin. The showrunners of the Charmed reboot did that show. So I'm curious just what is the writing style like and how do they write female characters? I watch Jane The Virgin. It's a Chick Lit at best but it has heart. It has it's cheesy moments but it is really good. The female characters are written very well they even mirror the Halliwell sisters a little. Jane is very much Season 1 Piper (neurotic and reserved), her mother is like Phoebe (free-spirited) and the grandmother is like Prue (strong-willed). Jessica and Amy are very notorious for writing chick lits/flicks but they are very good writers. I was on the fence with them helming the project but I'll give them a chance. They have a very distinct female voice that could prove to be successful with this reboot. This is the first time they'll be showrunning so I hope they don't tarnish the legacy. Well dear, this really has set my mind at ease and if it is chick lit with cheesy moments, then I will most *likely* enjoy this. But now you got me interested in perhaps also giving Jane the Virgin a try, especially the focus being focused on Jane, her mother, and grandmother. Since I live with my daughter and granddaughter also, I might like it. |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Feb 10, 2018 3:32:37 GMT -5
On a lighter note - I remember thinking when AHS: Coven first aired that it would've been cool if a Charmed reboot followed a similar mythology, witchcraft v. voodoo, and that the 'lost sister' (i.e. Paige) could've been a mixed race, half-witch/half-voodoo priestess. This would've been so much more interesting than making another half-whitelighter character. I don't normally like halfs, but better than seeing whitelighter halfs again. This might be much more interesting to see dear, especially because it would add something to the Charmed mythology they didn't do the first time, which is what you want to see in a reboot. I vaguely remember the Charmed novel Voodoo Moon focused on Voodoo stuff. I just don't remember the story well enough to know what they did, only it was scary. Which might be why I don't remember or don't want too. |
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Post by Granny Charmed on Feb 10, 2018 18:38:52 GMT -5
Some audition videos for the reboot casting has leaked or been put up online.
Obviously, don't expect any of these people to be cast dears, but it will give a good sense of the characters and learn a little more about the show.
I haven't seen them all. But from what I did watch, it appears the sister's mother had passed away prior to the series and Harry will be the one to tell them they are witches.
I have to say, I'm too high on Galvin and hoping that it's just a casting script and not what the character will be like or do in the series. Again, I'm trying to judge on what the script is saying and not the actors (who I doubt will be cast for having their video's leaked online)
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 10, 2018 18:57:21 GMT -5
*sigh* Can't say I'm impressed with the writing. None of it made me want to watch the show.
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