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Post by greta on Aug 8, 2023 17:06:33 GMT -5
The writers got inspired by the actresses real life hobbies Shannen's photography and Alyssa going back to school to learn outside her career. Holly her upbringings not being normal due to being raised by a teenager mom is what inspired Piper always wanting a normal life because Holly didn't have a normal upbringing. I wish they hadn't done this. Watching interviews of the actresses reminds me of how they came across in the show in the later seasons. It's like they're not even playing characters anymore. The sisters in season 1 especially feel like the characters are real people. I don't get a hint of the actresses themselves in this season, and I think it's better for it. I want to watch a show about Prue, Piper, and Phoebe, not Shannen, Holly, and Alyssa. Yeah, I tend to agree they really pushed too much input. Photography made no sense for Prue, unless it was something referenced in S1 that she liked it, but never made a career out of it. But now it seems like they had too much input. S1 is even more special now, because its the only season the most true to the sisters as Connie wrote them hey. It makes me realize that if Charmed ever came back, they'd be even more Shannen, Holly and Alyssa (and Rose) than ever before. I'm expecting their input will be like triple what they even had in S8. That I almost don't want the show to come back now. Because I feel like the amount of time passed, It won't surprise me if they add in things from their personal lives that they went through nearly 20 years ago since the show ended into their characters (which wouldn't make sense). I'll give Holly some credit, if she were to tap into her new husband owning a restaurant, which I think she does have a little input into according to the podcast it was brought up once that he's trying to get her to be more involved in it apparently. That would be the only time it fits Piper the character, but so long as she's Piper not Holly. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 8, 2023 22:35:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I tend to agree they really pushed too much input. Photography made no sense for Prue, unless it was something referenced in S1 that she liked it, but never made a career out of it. But now it seems like they had too much input. In this "The Women of Charmed (2000)" interview (it seems really centered around S2E15 "Give Me a Sign" shooting), Shannen says something along the lines of Prue "loosening up" and being "less angry with Phoebe" or whatever, and she's grateful for that 'cause she found it to be exhausting. Which is fair, but at the same time, that's the story of Prue 🤷♀️ In that same interview ( time-stamp 40m32s), Shannen (unless she's lying) stated:I never got the sense that Prue was a creative individual. I felt that way for Phoebe but never for Prue. Even if I feel like Prue has a gift for historical artifacts (which I think is rather unique, in itself, but I digress), I don't think that really translates to photography... That being said, my mother in-law felt like Shannen was just playing herself, throughout the show, and that somebody else should've played the Prue character instead of Shannen. I have to agree with that. Along with my husband claiming Constance M. Burge's vision for the show feels more like a "wish fulfillment" vs Kern actually created a story about characters rather than focusing on real life inspiration (other than other fantasy shows like Buffy, Superheroes, Harry Potter, etc.). What I mean by that is using his own real life experience to write a show. So, it just seems like a lot of the crew were just performing "wish fulfillment" checkmarks as opposed to creating and sticking with the personalities of those characters.
That being said, Holly and Brian were presented with the question, in this interview (time-stamped, for your convenience):And, Holly practically agreed with it and almost hesitated and answered it in a more "round about way", to make it seem like her "input" on the show was more important than it actually was. S1 is even more special now, because its the only season the most true to the sisters as Connie wrote them hey. Yes, S1 will ALWAYS be the "better" season, IMO 'cause it's the TRUEST form of the show, to me, without all this "wish fulfillment" nonsense (with the exception of it coming from Connie). I'll even say the "first half" of S1 (which IK some, not all, don't like "first half" S1 Prue) is the TRUEST form of Charmed, to me. Before everybody started changing up the characters, in the most unorganic fashion. But, it is what it is, and I still love the show, despite all its flaws. I don't think I need to like every single one of the sisters to say the show is great. They're supposed to be different, from one another and resonate with different people. And, I feel, liking them all at the same time defeats the purpose of making them unique and different, and they might as well all have the same personality.
So, yes. There was definitely A LOT of influence from the actors and probably why Shannen was fired was 'cause she probably had a little too much to say about how the show SHOULD be going. |
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Post by rebooted on Aug 9, 2023 12:51:09 GMT -5
I wish they hadn't done this. Watching interviews of the actresses reminds me of how they came across in the show in the later seasons. It's like they're not even playing characters anymore. The sisters in season 1 especially feel like the characters are real people. I don't get a hint of the actresses themselves in this season, and I think it's better for it. I want to watch a show about Prue, Piper, and Phoebe, not Shannen, Holly, and Alyssa. Yeah, I tend to agree they really pushed too much input. Photography made no sense for Prue, unless it was something referenced in S1 that she liked it, but never made a career out of it. But now it seems like they had too much input. S1 is even more special now, because its the only season the most true to the sisters as Connie wrote them hey. It makes me realize that if Charmed ever came back, they'd be even more Shannen, Holly and Alyssa (and Rose) than ever before. I'm expecting their input will be like triple what they even had in S8. That I almost don't want the show to come back now. Because I feel like the amount of time passed, It won't surprise me if they add in things from their personal lives that they went through nearly 20 years ago since the show ended into their characters (which wouldn't make sense). I'll give Holly some credit, if she were to tap into her new husband owning a restaurant, which I think she does have a little input into according to the podcast it was brought up once that he's trying to get her to be more involved in it apparently. That would be the only time it fits Piper the character, but so long as she's Piper not Holly. I think Lisa Kudrow said in the FRIENDS reunion as well that she wouldnt have been interested in a movie or reboot because it would mean undoing what was purposely written by David Krane, Martha Kaufman and Kevin S Bright - the creators. I feel like you are right about Shannen, Holly, Alyssa and Rose. I don't know how things went on FRIENDS and I am sure they made their own recommendations or were asked for input etc. like how Matthew Perry was asked how he could make the jokes hit better etc. but it seemed like the main influence they had was over their salaries when they banded together etc. I could be wrong but it seems that they left it up to the writers/creators? Holly does say she even walked differently when playing Piper but after 8 years it was tiresome she she blended Piper into her own personality. |
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Post by Keeper Of Melinda's Locket on Aug 9, 2023 14:59:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I tend to agree they really pushed too much input. Photography made no sense for Prue, unless it was something referenced in S1 that she liked it, but never made a career out of it. But now it seems like they had too much input. S1 is even more special now, because its the only season the most true to the sisters as Connie wrote them hey. It makes me realize that if Charmed ever came back, they'd be even more Shannen, Holly and Alyssa (and Rose) than ever before. I'm expecting their input will be like triple what they even had in S8. That I almost don't want the show to come back now. Because I feel like the amount of time passed, It won't surprise me if they add in things from their personal lives that they went through nearly 20 years ago since the show ended into their characters (which wouldn't make sense). I'll give Holly some credit, if she were to tap into her new husband owning a restaurant, which I think she does have a little input into according to the podcast it was brought up once that he's trying to get her to be more involved in it apparently. That would be the only time it fits Piper the character, but so long as she's Piper not Holly. I think Lisa Kudrow said in the FRIENDS reunion as well that she wouldnt have been interested in a movie or reboot because it would mean undoing what was purposely written by David Krane, Martha Kaufman and Kevin S Bright - the creators. I feel like you are right about Shannen, Holly, Alyssa and Rose. I don't know how things went on FRIENDS and I am sure they made their own recommendations or were asked for input etc. like how Matthew Perry was asked how he could make the jokes hit better etc. but it seemed like the main influence they had was over their salaries when they banded together etc. I could be wrong but it seems that they left it up to the writers/creators? Holly does say she even walked differently when playing Piper but after 8 years it was tiresome she she blended Piper into her own personality. And with so much time passed, I expect them to be so much closer to themselves. It's been off the air for so long, I just don't expect them to resemble the characters from where it ended for all the reason you and Greta mentioned. And Aaeiyn already bringing up how much they had in S2 with Shannen and photography. LOL Holly it seemed like everything was just too much effort for her if she couldn't even get her walk down. Another reason I've started to realize that quality over quantity means more. A good show should run about 4-5 season, since actors get bored or just grow tired of doing the same thing, and leads to more chances of them putting themselves into the characters. With what you said about Friends, I'll give Lisa props for admitting that. |
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Post by rebooted on Aug 9, 2023 15:30:13 GMT -5
Someone send Brian Krause a wifi extender.
Someone hire a sound editor for Drew Fuller. So annoying.
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Post by West on Aug 9, 2023 17:23:59 GMT -5
Someone send Brian Krause a wifi extender. Someone hire a sound editor for Drew Fuller. So annoying. Damn! With the amount of money they make off Patron subscriptions and their merchandise you'd think they'd have the money and time to sort that out by now nearly two seasons into the podcast. |
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Post by Sandra on Aug 11, 2023 16:26:00 GMT -5
I wish they hadn't done this. Watching interviews of the actresses reminds me of how they came across in the show in the later seasons. It's like they're not even playing characters anymore. The sisters in season 1 especially feel like the characters are real people. I don't get a hint of the actresses themselves in this season, and I think it's better for it. I want to watch a show about Prue, Piper, and Phoebe, not Shannen, Holly, and Alyssa. Yeah, I tend to agree they really pushed too much input. Photography made no sense for Prue, unless it was something referenced in S1 that she liked it, but never made a career out of it. But now it seems like they had too much input. S1 is even more special now, because its the only season the most true to the sisters as Connie wrote them hey. It makes me realize that if Charmed ever came back, they'd be even more Shannen, Holly and Alyssa (and Rose) than ever before. I'm expecting their input will be like triple what they even had in S8. That I almost don't want the show to come back now. Because I feel like the amount of time passed, It won't surprise me if they add in things from their personal lives that they went through nearly 20 years ago since the show ended into their characters (which wouldn't make sense). I'll give Holly some credit, if she were to tap into her new husband owning a restaurant, which I think she does have a little input into according to the podcast it was brought up once that he's trying to get her to be more involved in it apparently. That would be the only time it fits Piper the character, but so long as she's Piper not Holly. Yeah that's one thing I worry about, we bash Kern, Spelling and the WB for the show and all the issues, but we just might do the same with the actresses if Charmed did come back and seeing how their Charmed would look like (I know Alyssa tried to pitch a reunion to Netflix apparently but they turned her down). I just don't think they'll be the characters we all grew to love. Too much time has passed, and you just need to look at any other reunion to see why sometimes its best to just leave a show in the past where it belongs. |
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Post by Aaeiyn on Aug 12, 2023 0:24:13 GMT -5
we bash Kern, Spelling and the WB for the show and all the issues, but we just might do the same with the actresses Pretty much what I've been saying. I don't think it's any one person's fault. I might only solely blame Kern for not having the appropriate back bone, like Burge, Doherty, Vernoff, etc., in maintaining the show's integrity. Most of Doherty's episodes that SHE directed were Kern written episodes via S2E22 "Be Careful What You Witch For" and S3E22 "All Hell Breaks Loose". And, directors have a say in how the script is written and represented, as well. I just think Kern is too spineless, in standing up against the Network, but that doesn't mean I approve the direction of the actresses, either. Or even Burge's ideas. So, I do BELIEVE there may have been some sort of "spat" between Doherty and Milano but only differences of opinions in where to take the show. Not because they hate each other. While, everyone had their own idea on how to represent the show, at least it's a show that anyone can watch. You got some (not all) that like the earlier stuff. You got some (not all) that like the later stuff. You got some (not all) that like a little bit of everything in between. And, probably why it lasted for as long as it did. As it has something that resonates with someone. |
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Post by rebooted on Aug 12, 2023 19:10:59 GMT -5
There is a cute part in the Aunt Gail podcast episode where Holly talks about how Dan was supposed to come back in S8.
Drew asks for what reason and then Holly jokes about Leo and Dan having a duel - sword fight.
And then Brian says “what was that episode in the castle” - referring to the when he was duelling in a sword fight in Season 4/ “A Knight to Remember”.
Drew says so confidently I know !!!- it’s The Painted World and he’s so proud that he remembers all these episodes and these titles. He’s right about it being in a castle but that’s not what Brian was referring to (I think). I could be Valhalla but I don’t think that’s a castle.
However he doesn’t know that - that is not what Brian is referring to and then I Think Brian looks a little confused too.
Leo also isn’t in the Painted World
It was just cute to see Drew so proud to think he knew the answer but A knight to remember is still to come! Glad he’s liking the show.
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Post by West on Aug 12, 2023 19:47:32 GMT -5
He who shall not be named. Damn was that Holly shading Kern. Just a guess. 🤣 The writers got inspired by the actresses real life hobbies Shannen's photography and Alyssa going back to school to learn outside her career. Holly her upbringings not being normal due to being raised by a teenager mom is what inspired Piper always wanting a normal life because Holly didn't have a normal upbringing. Dan was meant to come back in S8. I guess Greg took his place. They called Greg to confirm for Holly if the forehead kiss for the breakup scene was scripted. It was improvised. He who shall not be named I wonder if it was Kern. Be kinda funny if it was unless its Andy since the podcast doesn't like him. LOL
So I'm guessing Dan was meant to appear instead of Greg in that S5 episode where Piper ran into Greg. I think it could've been nice if it were Dan, if not to do a nice little reflection of where we are now and bringing it back to the earlier seasons. Greg's appearance was sorta random.
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Post by West on Aug 12, 2023 19:49:59 GMT -5
we bash Kern, Spelling and the WB for the show and all the issues, but we just might do the same with the actresses Pretty much what I've been saying. I don't think it's any one person's fault. I might only solely blame Kern for not having the appropriate back bone, like Burge, Doherty, Vernoff, etc., in maintaining the show's integrity. Most of Doherty's episodes that SHE directed were Kern written episodes via S2E22 "Be Careful What You Witch For" and S3E22 "All Hell Breaks Loose". And, directors have a say in how the script is written and represented, as well. I just think Kern is too spineless, in standing up against the Network, but that doesn't mean I approve the direction of the actresses, either. Or even Burge's ideas. So, I do BELIEVE there may have been some sort of "spat" between Doherty and Milano but only differences of opinions in where to take the show. Not because they hate each other. While, everyone had their own idea on how to represent the show, at least it's a show that anyone can watch. You got some (not all) that like the earlier stuff. You got some (not all) that like the later stuff. You got some (not all) that like a little bit of everything in between. And, probably why it lasted for as long as it did. As it has something that resonates with someone. Kern didn't care for the show to really stand up. He was too much of a "Yes Man", whatever doesn't create waves and lets him get more bank means more to him than what's best for the show creatively. The problem is everybody sees the show differently. Everyone has their own version of the show. It's why so many episodes never really feel organically linked. Every writer has their own take on the show really. |
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Post by Keeper Of Melinda's Locket on Aug 12, 2023 20:48:26 GMT -5
He who shall not be named. Damn was that Holly shading Kern. Just a guess. 🤣 The writers got inspired by the actresses real life hobbies Shannen's photography and Alyssa going back to school to learn outside her career. Holly her upbringings not being normal due to being raised by a teenager mom is what inspired Piper always wanting a normal life because Holly didn't have a normal upbringing. Dan was meant to come back in S8. I guess Greg took his place. They called Greg to confirm for Holly if the forehead kiss for the breakup scene was scripted. It was improvised. He who shall not be named I wonder if it was Kern. Be kinda funny if it was unless its Andy since the podcast doesn't like him. LOL
So I'm guessing Dan was meant to appear instead of Greg in that S5 episode where Piper ran into Greg. I think it could've been nice if it were Dan, if not to do a nice little reflection of where we are now and bringing it back to the earlier seasons. Greg's appearance was sorta random.
LOL if they couldn't afford to bring Brian back for the final episode, what on earth would they have done. There's no way they'd dare put Piper with Dan or Greg in the end. I'm sure the fandom of that couple would lose it.
But very interesting they wanted Dan back in S8. I think you're right he would've appeared instead of Greg in that one episode of S8.
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Post by rebooted on Aug 15, 2023 20:17:31 GMT -5
I've seen an instagram real with Drew Fuller rating Chickflick a 10/10.
He gives Hellfire, Dead Man Dating and Chick Flick a 10/10.
Respectively that is a Shannen, Holly and Alyssa episode.
I wonder what other 10s he'd consider.
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Post by rebooted on Aug 16, 2023 18:51:57 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the - watch party you have to pay for?
I just watched the Spotify free version of the podcast which was just 20 minutes and they didn't go into too much detail.
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Post by West on Aug 16, 2023 19:13:18 GMT -5
Did anyone watch the - watch party you have to pay for? I just watched the Spotify free version of the podcast which was just 20 minutes and they didn't go into too much detail. I just listened too. Was on a car ride and figured be quick to listen. We learned nothing in this one. Other than Holly wasn't meh about it and it isn't a 10 for her and sounds like she isn't a fan of the goofy episodes. I wonder if they'll go back to this one and P3H20 in depth. They did a separate podcast for the watch party version for Woogy in S1 I believe. I wonder if they'll half ass more episodes in the future. |
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Post by West on Aug 16, 2023 19:15:32 GMT -5
I've seen an instagram real with Drew Fuller rating Chickflick a 10/10. He gives Hellfire, Dead Man Dating and Chick Flick a 10/10. Respectively that is a Shannen, Holly and Alyssa episode. I wonder what other 10s he'd consider. Definitely All Hell Breaks Loose, Charmed Again and Hell Hath No Fury I think. |
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Post by rebooted on Aug 16, 2023 19:58:30 GMT -5
I've seen an instagram real with Drew Fuller rating Chickflick a 10/10. He gives Hellfire, Dead Man Dating and Chick Flick a 10/10. Respectively that is a Shannen, Holly and Alyssa episode. I wonder what other 10s he'd consider. Definitely All Hell Breaks Loose, Charmed Again and Hell Hath No Fury I think. It's kind of interesting because as a long term fan I would have given those episodes a 10/10 back in the day. But in reviewing episodes over and over I probably wouldnt. AHBL used to always be in my top 10 but its just not in a regular Charmed format that I love. Its so abrupt and doesn't give you that warm Charmed resolution feeling - in fact I dont think there are any warm moments apart from 'Oprah or Barbara'. The acting is amazing but I feel like the story is a bit off and it makes Prue's decisions crazy. They also lose the innocent in the end. Season 2 had a mini-cliffhanger where Piper and Leo go up 'there' and there are episodes like when Phoebe tells Prue about not vanquishing Cole or when there are unresolved things in Sleuthing with the Enemy, The Demon who Came in from the Cold which was left on a cliffhanger - but nothing like AHBL which is just so abrupt. It feels like Charmed was giving into the end of season Cliffhanger fad of the late 90's. Perhaps if Charmed Again had a good resolution where it could have been the P2 of AHBL - I would still rate both of them 10/10. Charmed Again P1 is one of my fave episodes but I'm conflicted as whether it is top 10 material - there are too many unresolved issues. I still love rewatching Out of the 3 (treating Charmed Again P1 and P2 as I episode), I would give Hell Hath No Fury the highest rating. I know some people don't agree with the 'Its ok to hate Prue' part of the episode and the Big Boobs are a unnecessary but I do like the sisterly moments and the wiccan lessons, the morality, HMC's raw acting and response to Prue's death and Phoebe stepping up the be the middle sister. The resolution at the end is nice as well. Drew tends to like the action, Shannen's acting performances and the sisters being in physical danger so I expect he would give AHBL a 10 as well as HHNF. |
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Post by zack on Aug 18, 2023 17:04:21 GMT -5
I didn't know they had a podcast. Is it any good and worth checking out. Do they share behind the scenes stories and or do any of the production crew share all the secrets to making the show. That stuff would be interesting.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Aug 19, 2023 3:04:35 GMT -5
It depends. Quite a lot of times Holly, Brian, and Drew have gone off script the first two more than Drew though not talking about what episode they're commentating on and a couple of times Holly and Brian have also influenced Drew's decision on what he's thought about an episode himself.
There has been some behind-the-scenes gossip but not much from what I've heard.
Drew has become a Prue fan though liking her character thus far and has also enjoyed rewatching seasons 1 and 2 which the podcast is currently up to before he joined the show.
Out of the 3 Drew is more invested in the Podcast series whereas, with Brian and Holly, it's a paycheck more than anything for them of course.
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Post by zachary on Aug 23, 2023 19:35:35 GMT -5
With the release of "Chick Flick" It looks like they're FINALLY uploading a podcast in the way that I thought they would've from the beginning; a watch-along.
I'm gonna take a look at it later on tonight and see how it goes while playing the episode on my TV.
I wasn't too upset when I heard the podcasts and heard that they watched the episode first and then talked about it, but I think recording them talking while watching it is a bit better because it gets them talking strictly about the episode/Charmed.
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