Lisa M
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Post by Lisa M on Oct 13, 2006 7:53:24 GMT -5
Spiritkas, suppose we accept as fact your point about the nephilium. First, we would have to resurrect Chris who, as I strongly believe, died at the conclusion of Season 6. Then how do you explain him showing up in season 8? I think his appearance in the finale proved that Chris is alive and well in the new changed future. Anyway, the traffic on the Charmed Sons has slowed down a lot in the last couple of weeks. We are still almost $900 away from having enough money for an ad in Variety, which is crucial to getting attention to all the networks about the campaign, and the donations are only dribbling in now. It would seem with the sagging ratings the CW is receiving now, they would take a chance on this show that does already have a built in audience and has a chance to even build over that. Their similar show to this, Supernatural, is still doing quite well for them considering it is up against THE toughest competition of the week. Yet we are failing to get noticed still. Apparently, the billboard didn't really help us much, but we will know more about that when pictures of it appear on the Season 8 dvds. |
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Post by vandergraafk on Oct 13, 2006 13:22:18 GMT -5
Easy! This Chris is younger than the Chris from Season 6. The future has changed. Evil Wyatt does not exist. The Elders are alive. And, the Titans never attacked!
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Post by Lisa M on Oct 13, 2006 20:12:41 GMT -5
Easy! This Chris is younger than the Chris from Season 6. The future has changed. Evil Wyatt does not exist. The Elders are alive. And, the Titans never attacked! And when in the finale did they say this Chris was younger than the one that last appeared in season 6? And if that were the case, he showed up with a not evil Wyatt, so why would this Chris have a reason to travel back in time, since his sole purpose was pretty much to save Wyatt from turning evil and the Titan thing was a cover. I think we are supposed to believe that because Chris did change the past and Wyatt won't grow up to be evil, Chris will never have to travel back in time and won't die young. |
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Post by spiritsas on Oct 13, 2006 23:23:16 GMT -5
The whole time travel thing is an intricate web of multiple futures which seem to be contantly in flux. The main point being whether Chris was successful or not, Leo and Piper were in keeping Wyatt from turning evil. This, combined with what Chris (adult) changed, wipes out the future in which he needs to come back to stop his brother. Given this, his return in the season 8 finale would probably be his first trip back to the past of which he is aware. He should not have come back knowing all he did in season six as that Chris is gone, along with all his memories (magic aside). This does not change their knowing their grandfather or where he lives, only his familiarity with the past that he changed. In other words, the Chris in season 8 might be unaware of what he did in season 6, unless (since he is a magical being and an adult by then) was filled in by his parents and grandfather about what this other Chris (from the evel future did). It would be like hearing about things you did that you could not remember, but everyone else does. That could work, but they would not be his memories, just storied related to him of his other self's exploits. Also, the past he changed may have changed his relationship with Leo. Since Leo was still a whitelighter in the evil future and a mortal in season 8, it who knows he should spend more time with his family, it appears obvious that he does and the rift between him and Chris does not happen. Also, Piper, in this new timeline, obviously does not die like she did in the other timeline, as she's there with Leo as a grandmother. Like I said, tricky stuff, this time travel, which is why you have to be careful if you're going to be consistant.
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Post by spiritsas on Oct 13, 2006 23:30:27 GMT -5
One other thing. The Nephilum concept is a borrowed idea to give the spin off it's own identity somewhat separate from the original Charmed. It also allows for a more darker show, like how the original started and what seems to attract audiences today, and will therefore sell better to the studios. I don't think it changes dramatically, the Charmed universe, just expands it.
Lisa: Good luck with the ad. I contributed to the billboard, but I hope the ad works better. I think you may be on to something about the CW looking for a built in audience. It was something I've also noted in past posts as an obvious selling point, but now that they haven't been doing as well as expected, they may be more open to the idea of a spin off. Please be open to and consider alternative ideas to give the Charmed Sons a new twist as I truly believe that will be what makes it sell to the CW execs. It will give them a reason to latch onto to the idea while saving face over not picking up Charmed for another season or two.
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Post by vandergraafk on Oct 16, 2006 16:54:55 GMT -5
To Spiritkas's spirited defense - indirectly - of my point I can only add: if Chris did come back with the knowledge from Season 6 (recognizing Grams instantly, knowing where Grandpa lived, etc.) then he had to have died. At some point, that needs to be addressed.
A second issue is that the Titans and evil Wyatt were separate stories. That is, Chris's death may have prevented Wyatt from turning evil (though Season 7's Imaginary Friend muddles this), but it could not stop a demon from liberating the Titans. Time travel would still be required. That Chris could return to his time without dying then would surely be possible.
However, all of these issues can be eliminated if the Chris in Forever Charmed is simply younger than the Chris of Titan days or the Chris of dead Chris.
Given the abysmal track record of keeping the past straight, especially during Season 8, why should we assume the writers gave any thought about any of this?
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Post by Lisa M on Oct 16, 2006 21:23:49 GMT -5
To Spiritkas's spirited defense - indirectly - of my point I can only add: if Chris did come back with the knowledge from Season 6 (recognizing Grams instantly, knowing where Grandpa lived, etc.) then he had to have died. At some point, that needs to be addressed. A second issue is that the Titans and evil Wyatt were separate stories. That is, Chris's death may have prevented Wyatt from turning evil (though Season 7's Imaginary Friend muddles this), but it could not stop a demon from liberating the Titans. Time travel would still be required. That Chris could return to his time without dying then would surely be possible. However, all of these issues can be eliminated if the Chris in Forever Charmed is simply younger than the Chris of Titan days or the Chris of dead Chris. Given the abysmal track record of keeping the past straight, especially during Season 8, why should we assume the writers gave any thought about any of this? I figured that when Chris "died" in the past and then faded away, he actually merged with his self in the future in the new timeline, one where he did not have to travel back in time and did not die. And he retained all of his memories of both timelines. I think that fits with how Charmed does things. |
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Post by spiritsas on Oct 16, 2006 22:42:04 GMT -5
Lisa: Given it's just a show, and one in which we won't really get answers to these questions, your explanation is as valid as any other. There was a movie, a few years back, in which a guy uses his father's old ham radio to communicate with him in the past. I think it was called "Frequency". Anyway, the concept you are talking about was, in a way, used in that movie too, when, for some reason, when the past was changed by his communications with his dad, he was suddenly deluged with all these new past memories while retaining his own of the same time period. Not the way it's envisioned by the science community, but it works for Hollywood, on both the big and small screen.
I therefore call for a truce on this subject, though it's been interesting.
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Post by charmingaussie on Nov 6, 2006 21:21:36 GMT -5
For all readers here who are interested in a Chris/Wyatt spinoff...it would be a big help to the publicity for the campaign if you could join Marc Berman's forum and post a comment here: pifeedback.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=32410241&f=68210551&m=45010881&r=93210391#93210391He has been very supportive and has promised to make mention of the campaign in tomorrow's Programing Insider, which is read by most people in the industry. Even if you weren't necessarily a Chris/Wyatt fan, but liked Piper and Leo, remember they would probably be interested in appearing in the spin-off as well. There are a lot of Charmed fans here who love the story of the Halliwell family - wouldn't it be great if we had a spin-off to talk about. |
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Post by billiespinof on Dec 10, 2006 12:52:44 GMT -5
Will there be a Billie spin off.It would be great just like Angel from Buffy's spin off.Becasue she's killed her sister so you could have her brooding /dark and have a more darker show than Charmed in which she tries to atone or something like in Angel it would be great!
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Post by spiritsas on Dec 10, 2006 14:40:37 GMT -5
An interesting idea, but I'm not sure you want to go there with this crowd. Billie's character, and even the actor playing it, were not very well liked by most people in this forum. She was mostly brought in to try to bring back a younger audience, but her character was considered annoying by most. People complained about the speed at which she gathered new powers and just, in general, about her lack of acting ability. She's young, so she may improve, but she did little to salvage the show from being cancelled as she did not bring in any signigicant following of viewers she had from other shows she was in.
Right now, the best spin off hope, and the one most well received by the people in the business (as reported in other threadin this forum) is the Charmed Sons concept.
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Post by Elder on Dec 10, 2006 17:11:21 GMT -5
A Chris and Wyatt spin-off would be the best thing to do, but it has to be done right or else...blah!
I had a concept about the sons working in sort of an investigation business (much like the Angel premise) and the first person they must help is Jenny Gordon because her uncle, Dan was taken by demonic forces.
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Post by whitelightertony on Dec 12, 2006 4:10:17 GMT -5
Well, Karis Paige Bryant is trying to get back into acting, so that might be a possibility someday.....
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Post by Xenith on Dec 15, 2006 16:42:24 GMT -5
Besides the fact that I think that I'm sure many of Charmed's fans would prefer it be Jenny be the one captured and that the boys learn the ever important lesson that you can't save everyone... (If only masselin knew how to chew her food!)
There is also the problem that Jenny should actually be at least 10 years older than Wyatt. It would be a heck of a stretch for a 21 year old Paris to look older than Wes who is about 8 years her senior...
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Post by vandergraafk on Dec 15, 2006 17:00:27 GMT -5
Oh, my god, is someone seriously suggesting building a spin-off around Jenny? I can't believe it. I'd rather go demonic than accept that!
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Post by Elder on Dec 15, 2006 21:04:40 GMT -5
Oh, my god, is someone seriously suggesting building a spin-off around Jenny? I can't believe it. I'd rather go demonic than accept that! hey, it's just for one episode.  |
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Post by whitelightertony on Dec 15, 2006 22:43:46 GMT -5
That's right...Jenny would just hypothetically be a guest star. And they could certainly use makeup to age her 10 years or so...they seemed to have no problem doing a similar thing to make Kaley Cuoco look older in "Forever Charmed" when we saw her taking care of two of Phoebe's daughters.
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Post by LeosSON on Jan 21, 2007 0:01:44 GMT -5
I have to say Cuoco looking older in Forever Charmed was un-realistic to me. Intead of trying to bring back Charmed characters and aging them 10 (it would have to be more than 10) years, lets focus on the future Characters of Wyatt and Chris first.
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Post by vandergraafk on Mar 27, 2007 23:05:07 GMT -5
On the topic of spin-offs, Brad Kern responded to reader Dyllan Browne's question in Charmed Magazine Issue #16 regarding a possible spin-off, Brad replied:
"There's been no communication whatsoever about a Charmed spin-off. I have no belief that the network has any interest in a spin-off show, not now, or a year ago and I'm afraid I don't see anything in the future. I'll never say never, but I feel like eight years of Charmed was a successful run and very enjoyable, but I'm really planning on taking my creative energies into other projects. That's not to say there aren't other people who, if anybody was seriously interested in doing a spin-off, they could turn to, who could take the ball and run with it. But to the rest of Dyllan's question, if somehow there was a Charmed spin-off and if I were involved with it, I'm sure we'd be looking for lots of fresh faces."
Say it ain't so, Brad. Okay, I'll forgive your waffle between subjunctive and non-subjunctive, if you will admit that many, many fans feel that eight was not enough. As Brian Krause explained, Charmed could have gone on for 10 or more years. Where's Sci-Fi channel when you need it?
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Post by whitelightertony on Mar 29, 2007 15:47:15 GMT -5
Well, I think it would have been more satisfying to show Darryl and Sheila as the ones who got to babysit little Patsy and Perri (as Coop rushed pregnant Phoebe off to the hospital)....but the WB probably didn't want to shell out the few extra thousand to have Dorian and Sandra appear.
I suppose Kern also wanted to imply to fans that Billie fully reconciles with the Charmed Ones in the future, and everything is peachy-keen between them.
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