The Charmed Spin-Off Thread--Part 2

[phoebe111]

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[vandergraafk]

Wait a minute, whitelightertony. Isn't there an irony here when someone aka you and I, as writers of Charmed novela, both have Billie reconciled with the Charmed Ones? I have her working with Paige, while you even have Piper peachy keen with Billie. I won't go that far.

[spiritsas]

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I saw that Kern response to a write in question, too. Too bad he has no real interest in picking up the mantle again. He doesn't rule out someone else doing it, just that no one ever approached him, or presumably anyone else he knows, about doing a spin off.
Obviously, Paramount has the rights, at least I think they do. They do make movies at Paramount. I still think all that has to happen is for someone to do what Kern says, and run with an idea for a feature film or spin off show. All they have to do is to convince the Execs that the idea can make money.

[vandergraafk]

We all move on. Kern probably needs a time out from Charmed or Charmed related projects. The actors and actresses do too. At some point, though, maybe the leads want to get back together again. Perhaps to make a movie. If the chemistry is there ... I mean isn't that what made Star Trek possible? Not even the disastrous first feature film could destroy the cast of Star Trek. True, Star Trek TNG did piss off a lot of the original Star Trek stars (and fans), but eventually everyone went along (except maybe James Doohan) since the successor series was equally well crafted. If Charmed can pull that off, then there truly is something magical about the show!

[whitelightertony]

Well, in theory, they could start it up again at any time down the road...even with a new generation of actors to portray the Charmed Ones' grandchildren.

They might not be able to get Finola Hughes or Jennifer Rhodes back, but there would still be plenty of creative wiggle room.

[spiritsas]

I know it's been a while since this thread was active, but I had a thought. I was watching the S8 episode, The Last Temptation of Christy, and realized that there is a storyline here for the Charmed Sons spin off, if it ever happens. Although the demons in the show are vanquished, they are successful in vanquishing the Slave King, thereby setting free an entire race of demons who had, for centuries, been enslaved. At one point in the show, the male demon, who was orchestrating and training the demons to imitate TCO, says that there's a reason our people have been enslaved all these years, or something to that affect. What that reason was is never devulged or mentioned again.

I think there is potential for this to be one of the repeating storylines in the spin off. It's one of several loose ends which could create interesting issues for adult Chris and Wyatt.

My fear is that since we have not heard of any such spin off plans, in many months, it won't be happening in the Fall of 07 and the longer they wait, the more the concept grows cold.

[roseyc]

I think eventually what they should do is recast the entire show again and play the Charmed Ones again. With Prue and Piper and Phoebe and Paige the half sister they don't know which in all fairness that would solve the whole scenario. They would find out they have a half sister they never knew in a new scenario.For all the Prue lovers and Piper lovers and so and etc. They could have the side characters like Wes and Chris remain the same if they would accept the roles since they are not relatively know actors. Some people will not accept new people in the roles but time will heal all we'll learn to accept them if the material is well written and well played out. Holly Marie can guest star as an elder or piper in the future whatever or how it plays out. Alyssa Milano or Rose McGowan or Shannen Doherty I think would never come back because they are and they think they are too big for this type of genre. I think any other scenario's won't work or too much details to cover. But the Charmed Ones is a story they can retell again with new characters in the same roles

[whitelightertony]

I think eventually what they should do is recast the entire show again and play the Charmed Ones again.

Do you mean they should cast new actors to play the Charmed Ones as their older selves in a Charmedverse set in the future? (where their grown children have taken over fighting Evil)

Or restart the series from the beginning, casting new actresses to play the Halliwells discovering their magical heritage while in their twenties (recreating the Season 1 episodes)?

[roseyc]

Not their older selves but do the charmedones over again but not do the same shows but they could elaborate on some of the subjects they failed to explore before such as Patti having Paige or showing a new Grams when she was younger and have all the charmedones together this time and not kill off Prue. They had to kill her off because of Shannen Doherty. They had to do a lot of the shows because of the cast leaving but this time they won't. Because this charmed children won't ever see the light of day. They could do some of the episodes over. We'll see who of the new cast will catch the fancy of the fans like Barbus did. The Source and so on

[whitelightertony]

I really don't think that would work. Who wants to see anyone other than Holly Marie portraying Piper?

[spiritsas]

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I agree. Redoing the show, from the start is not a realistic possibility for a TV show. I don't know when a show has been entirely recreated with new characters, but it may have been done.

It is a possibility, however, for a movie version of the Charmed concept. I say that because this is something which has been done. They recreated, on the large screen, several characters. They did, only it was not done well, a movie version based on the Avengers TV show. I hope we don't have wait over 20 years for a Charmed movie, but it's a more realistic possibility, given the inclinations of Hollywood producers and studios. They also, and far more sucessfully, recreated both Star Trek and Mission Impossible into movies, after the shows were gone for considerable periods of time. In the case of ST Next Generation, the wait was not as long. I'm sure there are other examples and there many examples when a movie sparked a TV series (i.e. Buffy), but recreating a show, so soon after it was cancelled, won't happen, in my opinion.

Obviously, like the thread name indicates, a spin off is still the most likely event. Based on the "Charmedverse", as the term has been coined, it would be about the characters offspring in the near future or past, or perhaps another set of witches in the current day, but not sure how that would happen.

Also, it would be hard to get anyone to play Piper, or any of the sisters, and have it go over well, without HMC or the others..

[whitelightertony]

If they're going to do a movie, why not have it star Wes Ramsey and Drew Fuller and focus on Wyatt and Chris as older adults, raising their own sons and daughters?

[roseyc]

Come on! a movie is not going to happen period. It would be a nice idea and it could be a nice movie but it's not going to happen. Just like the Wyatt/Chris show is not going to happen. The Supernatural show kinda ended any remote chance of that.

I don't know when a show has been entirely recreated with new characters, but it may have been done.

Charlie and the Choclate factory was a movie and it was done. But if Charmed has cult status then it can be done. Holly Marie was Piper but she was Piper in reruns. This can be now and just like any show can be recreated. Most likely it will fail but I think the possibilities would be intriguing. The Charmed Sons is not going to happen. Don't get me wrong I would watch it but I'm not holding my breath. But Charmed Ones with females will sell not with two males.

[spiritsas]

Roseyc,

I agree with you that Supernatural greatly hurt the potential for a Charmed Sons show and that a movie with them is less likely than a spinoff show. However, I have hope this is only a temporary situation and that a Charmed spinoff will one day be made.

[Rebecca Malfoy]

I watch Supernatural and I don't see how it has hurt the chances of there being a spinoff. Yes, it does deal with two brothers, saving people and hunting things. But these two brothers are travelling the back roads of America, while the Halliwell brothers would be in the same city. That, and Sam and Dean don't have any magical powers. Yeah, Sam can have preminitions, but that only happens when another pk (physic kid), or the YED is part of what's happening.

The CW needs shows that'll work, and the show's they have aren't really working. And the one that is, is against CSI and GA. A spinoff has the potiental to work. But what would the main storyline be?

[roseyc]

I agree with the scenario that the Supernatural is a different show. But that since they are two brothers hurts the chances and it's on the CW. The networks tend to think in likeness and say well we already have a show like that. If Charmed could have ever gotten away from The WB now the CW they would have been much better and I think the quality of the shows would have been much better as well. The networks like Fx and USA and maybe but unlikely TNT is where the spinoff or the new Charmedones should be on. I hope that Brad Kern is nowhere near this show either. His writing detorated as the years went on. The movie idea is just more far fetched. Think of Angel could have been a movie by now and the further away the more it will not happen.

[spiritsas]

Roseyc,

I agree with you about Supernatural, as I've said that very same thing months ago, when the spinoff idea was being more intensely discussed. We may disagree on whether USA or TNT is the most likely spot. Some may even say A&E, but right now they have Blood Ties as their "supernatural show". The main point is, that it's not that important where the show is so long as it happens and there is some more courage in pursuing topics and storylines than what we saw Charmed morph into or from. Particularly, the Wiccan aspects of the show as well as the obvious ties to heaven and hell. On another note, Kern didn't write all the shows and I thought he did well with the last two episodes or at least better than many of the earlier S8 shows.

Rebecca, you asked what would the main storyline be. I've posted, as have others, potential ideas about this. I don't want to fill this post up repeating them, but they can be found in the threads or archive of the original spinoff thread. As you can see, this is part 2, which they do when the number of posts becomes too large.

[roseyc]

Another thing they could do if they recast the Charmedones is try not to do the same thing but have a different whitelighter and Phoebe the one who hooks up with their whitelighter instead, not Leo. Piper would be the one that finds the book like another path that they took or an alternate reality. I think after season 4 they were searching for an identity anyway which they never recovered from. I thought they supposedly found it in the Wyatt/Chris story but they botched that. Now for the point of them going on with it would have too many ties to the Charmedones that they would have to explain. The only feasible way they could have done it is for the Charmedones to have been Vanquished and the Sons taken over but they didn't do that. I just think it would be interesting to see how this cult type series, if it is, could be done with a recast.

[spiritsas]

Interesting factoid I just came across, which relates to TV movies and series. On the SciFi channel there is a new series, not very good, called Painkiller Jane. I was doing some IMDB searching on another actor and it turned out she was the lead in TV moive entitled Painkiller Jane. The point is that this movie was made in 2005. It also had a different twist and beginning as to how PKJ became that way, but in both cases it's about a woman with incredibly fast healing powers who fights crime (although it's less about crime and more about stopping those with other abilities in the current TV series).

My real point is that even after two years, a series was made (though not a spinoff) of a TV movie concept. It's the two years part which is of interest as it gives hope that Charmed may yet ressurect itself, in some form, some time down the road. That's all.

[roseyc]

That is interesting! I think it can be done. The old Charmedones wasn't void of ideas but it the writers and actors who tired of the series and not the material itself. There was much more direction they could have taken the series especially if they would have stayed with the Chris/Wyatt angle. They could have slowly have done it and then if Rose wanted to leave she could have and Alyssa but Kern was out of options and so was the series. But Kern going with the Billie angle ruined the show and alienated fans. I know myself if they did create the series anew with a creative mind they could have lots of ideas.