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Post by Cara Halliwell on Jun 28, 2008 21:45:19 GMT -5
oh my god. dude, look at the episode in season five called Baby's First Demon! you will see that Piper, having expected a girl, picked the name Prudence Melinda, but she decided not to name Wyatt that because he would be teased, and he is also not a girl! Look at the episode if u dont believe me!
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 28, 2008 23:08:24 GMT -5
Witch Dude is which?
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Post by Cara Halliwell on Jun 29, 2008 0:13:28 GMT -5
not you. i was talking to that one guy who said there was no evidence and stuff.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 29, 2008 1:04:35 GMT -5
That would be ShantaD who I believe is a female! Dudette, perhaps!
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Post by whitelightertony on Jun 29, 2008 3:56:33 GMT -5
VG, I think The Great One was directing his/her lecture at me, since I was the last person to offer Shanta a written rebuttal.
Yes, I saw the episode. I remember Piper saying that. I agree that, as of Season 5, she expected Wyatt to be a girl and had every intention of naming her baby "Prudence Melinda."
All I'm saying is that Piper could have changed her mind, for any number of reasons, three years later.
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Post by K. Aabye on Jun 29, 2008 3:59:45 GMT -5
I think you're being a little harsh on us people with actual proof. You're just frustrated because you're running out of explanations as to HOW Melinda could be Phoebe's daughter and HOW her name could be Prudence Melinda and not Melinda as stated everywhere else. I believe the people believing her to be Phoebe's daughter just wants her to be because they wanted a spin-off with Wyatt and Chris only, but the girl does exist and she exists as Piper's daughter, Melinda.
The Great One. THAT was in season 5. We saw Melinda in the final episode of season 8. Couldn't she have changed her mind? YES She could. If Katie had played Prudence Melinda, it would have been STATED somewhere in the original casting script - it wasn't! Melinda was mentioned, NOT Prudence Melinda. I believe Phoebe named one of her daughter's Prudence. That would also make sense with the granddaughter of Piper being named Prudence.
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Post by The Original P3 on Jun 29, 2008 10:06:35 GMT -5
Phoebe could barely shed a fake tear when Prue died. No one can convince me that Phoebe actually named one of her rugrats after Prue. Hell it would be more believable to think she named one after Billie for crying out loud.
I couldn't care less if that little girl is thought to be Piper's daughter or Phoebe's daughter..but if it is Piper's daughter, the name's Prudence Melinda and she goes by Melinda. End of story.
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Post by K. Aabye on Jun 29, 2008 11:14:14 GMT -5
No, not end of story, because you're not even right. What is so wrong with her name being Melinda? I really don't get it. You make it sound like it's such a wrong thing to name her Melinda and not Prudence Melinda. Phoebe did not shed a tear when Prue died. Are you kidding me? Did you not watch the show? Because I saw her cry and it was more than once!
And you cannot convince me that she is Phoebe's daughter, you cannot convince me that Piper's daughter is named Prudence Melinda. It's false info! I'm surprised to see this discussion. I'm more surprised to see people make up stuff to get it to look like how they want it. You cannot begin to argue a subject if you don't know the truth.
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Post by Cara Halliwell on Jun 29, 2008 11:52:59 GMT -5
Melinda, stop! u have already lost the fight. If Piper had changed her mind about the name, it would have said so in an episode! But it DIDNT! So get over it.
and whitelightertony, i wasnt yelling at you. it was at ShantaD or watever.
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Post by K. Aabye on Jun 29, 2008 15:46:36 GMT -5
The Great One, This is SOOOOO not about losing fights. That's just the most immature thing I've ever heard. God, how stupid are you? Nothing was stated in that episode. It was not said her name was Prudence Melinda, it was not said her name was Melinda either but according to the casting scripts AND Katie AND her mom AND Brad Kern AND The Book Of Three Vol. 2!!!!
You have lost this fight. Get over it. The proof I have is overwhelming, so you might want to think twice before stating that I have lost the fight.
Kathleen Teresa Scott played Piper and Leo's young daughter, Melinda. She has only appeared on Charmed once.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 29, 2008 15:47:16 GMT -5
Of course, Piper could have changed her mind. But, that would have been totally out of character for her. Paige could vacillate, Phoebe could give in to this or that whim. Prue was a decisive leader who could switch careers mid-stream. But, Piper? Everything she ever did was consistent with a conservative mind-set. She worked as a bank teller for the security such a job could provide with a dying Grams to care for. Once her mind was made up, it would have taken a miracle - or Leo becoming an Elder - to alter her conviction. No, I think you are completely misreading this Melinda. The fact that the script indicates Melinda is nothing more perhaps than convenient shorthand. As long-term fans would have known, this was clearly Prudence Melinda, a girl who most likely went with her middle name for the reasons that Assassin Witch and I have elucidated.
As for those who would have this girl as Phoebe's daughter, we debated this a long time ago in another thread. A sleep-over with two boys? That makes absolutely no sense. Piper looking after Phoebe's one daughter while Phoebe is on assignment? Shouldn't the other two girls have been there too? Most of us came to the conclusion that singling this girl out as Phoebe's daughter made no sense at all!
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Post by The Original P3 on Jun 29, 2008 16:09:33 GMT -5
No, not end of story, because you're not even right. What is so wrong with her name being Melinda? I really don't get it. You make it sound like it's such a wrong thing to name her Melinda and not Prudence Melinda. Phoebe did not shed a tear when Prue died. Are you kidding me? Did you not watch the show? Because I saw her cry and it was more than once! And you cannot convince me that she is Phoebe's daughter, you cannot convince me that Piper's daughter is named Prudence Melinda. It's false info! I'm surprised to see this discussion. I'm more surprised to see people make up stuff to get it to look like how they want it. You cannot begin to argue a subject if you don't know the truth. I have no plans to try to convince you that it's Phoebe's daughter. In fact..I don't really care. What I DO care about is getting the name right. I'm not even right? Sweetheart..I watched the show from day one and know every episode by heart. What we saw was a PATHETIC attempt by Alyssa to TRY to act sad over Prue's death. It was pretty much almost as bad as Billie's little breakdown over Christy (except that one was actually hilarious with how bad it was). Prue and Piper were the closest sisters. Piper and Phoebe the second closest. Please explain why Phoebe would take a name that she knew Piper wanted for her own daughter? It's obvious that the third child we saw in Forever Charmed is not much younger than Chris and even if Phoebe's first born is slightly older than Piper's third child, there's a very real possibility that Piper knew she was having a girl. So, again, why would Phoebe take a name she knew Piper wanted to name Wyatt in the first place? I personally would be furious if my sibling took a name I wanted for my own child. But Phoebe naming her kid Prue? Puhlease.. Patty or Penelope after their mother or Grams is much more believable than Prue for Phoebe's kid. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Jun 29, 2008 16:55:56 GMT -5
Yes, that's exactly the reason why they *want* to believe it.
Apparently, back when The Charmed Sons was a remote possibility, people were saying that Wyatt and Chris would have a "totally different" relationship (as brothers) with one another if they had had a younger sister. They were also saying that The Charmed Sons would be "just like Supernatural...only different."
Neither of which assertion makes any sense whatsoever.
How would the (off-screen) presence of a younger sister have precluded Wyatt and Chris from having a close relationship as brothers?
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Post by whitelightertony on Jun 29, 2008 16:58:57 GMT -5
Vandergraafk, the points you raise are certainly plausible in terms of story. But all I'm saying is that, given the chunk of time that most likely passes between "Forever Charmed" and Melinda's birth, any number of things could have happened to motivate Piper to name her daughter "Melinda" with "Prudence" as a middle name.
For all we know, the original Melinda Warren could have been summoned back to the Charmed Ones (Paige never did get to meet her, after all) for a visit, and the nature of Piper's interaction with her ancestor motivated her to name her daughter in honor of Melinda Warren.
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Post by Cara Halliwell on Jun 29, 2008 18:06:24 GMT -5
Ok Melinda, obviously you DONT watch Charmed. I'll post the part right now and you can see that your WRONG. and dont call me stupid when you cant even listen to reason. www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEy11xIGgqUWATCH! Phoebe says PRUDENCE MELINDA! ur WRONG!!!!!! |
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Post by K. Aabye on Jun 29, 2008 18:13:12 GMT -5
Billie's breakdown was much worse than Alyssa's was. It isn't even comparable lol. But like you say you know the episodes by heart, so do I. And on top of that I know the girl who portrayed Melinda Halliwell personally, so I really believe it makes a difference to it. And if I didn't know her, I would not be so sure that it is Piper's daughter and not Phoebe's and I wouldn't be so sure that her name is Melinda.
The Great One - Again, that was in season 5, we're in season 8 now and when Melinda was born, just like whitelightertony is saying - Piper could have changed her mind for a number of reasons.
Do not go off at me. You are being incredibly rude to me and there's no need to attack me like that. I would really appreciate it if you didn't attack me like this. I never did anything to you so you shouldn't react this way toward me.
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Post by Cara Halliwell on Jun 29, 2008 18:28:33 GMT -5
um you called me STUPID earlier. so yeah, i think u deserved that comment. and if Piper HAD changed her mind, they would have said so in an episode. plus, u saw that Piper had a hard time letting go of the name.
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Post by kiriashra on Jun 29, 2008 22:32:48 GMT -5
I never thought it was her daughter.
They had pictures of Leo reading to Wyatt and Chris on the wall at the end, but no pictures of another child.
Also, in the end they just shown grown up Wyatt and Chris making potions.
So I assumed that the little girl was just a cousin.
I never really put a lot of thought into it, it's just something I assumed from watching the end episode.
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Post by vandergraafk on Jun 29, 2008 23:14:29 GMT -5
Apparently, some of us have watched Charmed too much and invested too much in positions staked out long ago that we are impervious to evidence, reason, logic, etc. I would hope that the crude name-calling might stop. Stupid is as stupid does to quote that great philosopher of life, Forest Gump!
Having said that, I will continue to poke fun at canonistas who seek to close debate by dropping down the curtain of canon, cloaking its so-called definitiveness in professorial claptrap or even claiming they watched from day one. So what? Does that confer an air of erudition that I am unaware of? As Piper might, "I'm older, so that's that."
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Post by whitelightertony on Jun 29, 2008 23:14:41 GMT -5
If she was a cousin, then why wouldn't they have bothered to explain what she was doing there?
Melinda was in the pic of the kids at the birthday party.
Plus other pics of Melinda might have been out of frame or in a different part of the manor.
That's probably because Wyatt and Chris are closer to each other as adults than they are with their little sister.
Also, the show probably didn't have the money to hire an adult female actress to portray an adult version of Melinda.
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