|
|
Post by peytonmarie on Nov 22, 2018 19:21:55 GMT -5
re: powers, I always disliked that Paige's whitelighter half took precedence over her witch half. Her ONLY Wiccan power was telekinesis which worked via orbs. The rest were whitelighter powers.
Then there's cutting Phoebe's baby storyline short while rushing to get Piper pregnant. There was no need for that? Holly wasn't pregnant irl. They JUST said Piper couldn't get pregnant and Phoebe already was so the S5 storyline could've been Phoebe's. Cole should've never been brought back but his kid would be his continued presence on the show. Then Piper can magically get pregnant when Holly does and the Chris (who should be Melinda) storyline can be about keeping the Phoetus from turning evil in the future. Which, you know, obviously gonna happen since the kid is part-demon. Plus, since we really don't think Piper can ever get pregnant, the big reveal of Chris/Melinda's identity can have serious impact.
More than anything, I just wish the show had remembered it was about three sisters who happen to be witches. The focus shifted too much to their love lives, their kids, and a bunch of fairytale nonsense, and none of it fit the original vibe.
|
|
Esmeralda
Charmed
S2 "What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Twenty Years Gone....But Never Forgotten.
Posts: 21,920 
|
Post by Esmeralda on Nov 22, 2018 19:27:58 GMT -5
Actually by what you said, she had *no* witch powers. Her "hybird" power was actually just a whitelighter version of Prue's TK. She was much more of a living whitelighter who could cast spells and make potions than she was a witch. And that I agree was one of Charmed's biggest problems.
|
|
|
|
Post by peytonmarie on Nov 22, 2018 19:33:15 GMT -5
Actually by what you said, she had *no* witch powers. Her "hybird" power was actually just a whitelighter version of Prue's TK. She was much more of a living whitelighter who could cast spells and make potions than she was a witch. And that I agree was one of Charmed's biggest problems. Well, that's just upsetting to look at it that way. If she's more "whitelighter who can cast spells" than witch, how can she be a Charmed One? I guess that's my problem with it. Her whitelighter half was cool as this added extra to explore sometimes but making it more important than her witch half? On a show about witches? Ugh. |
|
Esmeralda
Charmed
S2 "What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Twenty Years Gone....But Never Forgotten.
Posts: 21,920
|
Post by Esmeralda on Nov 22, 2018 19:48:36 GMT -5
Actually by what you said, she had *no* witch powers. Her "hybird" power was actually just a whitelighter version of Prue's TK. She was much more of a living whitelighter who could cast spells and make potions than she was a witch. And that I agree was one of Charmed's biggest problems. Well, that's just upsetting to look at it that way. If she's more "whitelighter who can cast spells" than witch, how can she be a Charmed One? I guess that's my problem with it. Her whitelighter half was cool as this added extra to explore sometimes but making it more important than her witch half? On a show about witches? Ugh. She can be a Charmed One because she's descended from Melinda Warren and has one of her three powers - a whitelighter-version, but it's still the power to move things with her mind. And once she showed up, the show was no longer about being a witch. It was much more about being a living whitelighter thanks to Paige, Wyatt and Chris. It was now more important to have a whitelighter for a father than it was to have a Warren for a mother. That's why I count S4-8 as the alternate-universe spin-off, "Whitelighter". In my own humble opinion, that was Charmed's WORST mistake. |
|
|
|
Post by peytonmarie on Nov 22, 2018 19:53:19 GMT -5
Didn't Paige channel her power into Leo to heal Cole? Does that actually count as her healing or just lending a hand and a bit of extra power? Shelfy OH! I really like this way of looking at it - rather than her whitelighter half offsetting his demonic half (which part of Cole is demonic? His hand? His brain? His heart? His lungs? His kidneys? Ditto for which part of Paige is angelic...) which was one of Brad Kern's more stupid ideas (like Leo unable to heal Cole in 'Sleuthing with the Enemy' - he either should've been able to heal him or not heal him), the idea of her channeling her power to Leo and helping him heal Cole (which, no, would not count as her healing him) makes a lot of sense. I never really liked this whole idea. Either you heal someone completely or not. How can two people heal one half each. I was under the impression that Leo could only heal Cole's human half and not demonic half. How can Paige suddenly be able to heal one half too. Shouldn't the rules be that whitelighters can only heal humans and not demons. Regardless if they have a human half or not. Oh man - the rules keep changing. Exactly! Super late to this party but whatever. I would've liked if Leo's healing power worked on the basis of alignment to Good or Evil. So in SwtE he can heal him. But when he becomes the Source, maybe there could've been a moment where Leo goes to heal him and he has to refuse because he knows it won't work and will give him away. |
|
|
|
Post by peytonmarie on Nov 22, 2018 19:56:57 GMT -5
Well, that's just upsetting to look at it that way. If she's more "whitelighter who can cast spells" than witch, how can she be a Charmed One? I guess that's my problem with it. Her whitelighter half was cool as this added extra to explore sometimes but making it more important than her witch half? On a show about witches? Ugh. She can be a Charmed One because she's descended from Melinda Warren and has one of her three powers - a whitelighter-version, but it's still the power to move things with her mind. And once she showed up, the show was no longer about being a witch. It was much more about being a living whitelighter thanks to Paige, Wyatt and Chris. It was now more important to have a whitelighter for a father than it was to have a Warren for a mother. That's why I count S4-8 as the alternate-universe spin-off, "Whitelighter". In my own humble opinion, that was Charmed's WORST mistake. Agreed! Focus was definitely pulled away from witchcraft and it sucked. I really didn't like how most (or is it all?) of the kids are cross-breeds of magical beings. Witch-whitelighters, witch-cupids, etc. It's like the new Jurassic Park: "let's just splice everything together and see what we get!" |
|
|
|
Post by prudencehalliwell on Nov 22, 2018 20:25:51 GMT -5
She can be a Charmed One because she's descended from Melinda Warren and has one of her three powers - a whitelighter-version, but it's still the power to move things with her mind. And once she showed up, the show was no longer about being a witch. It was much more about being a living whitelighter thanks to Paige, Wyatt and Chris. It was now more important to have a whitelighter for a father than it was to have a Warren for a mother. That's why I count S4-8 as the alternate-universe spin-off, "Whitelighter". In my own humble opinion, that was Charmed's WORST mistake. Agreed! Focus was definitely pulled away from witchcraft and it sucked. I really didn't like how most (or is it all?) of the kids are cross-breeds of magical beings. Witch-whitelighters, witch-cupids, etc. It's like the new Jurassic Park: "let's just splice everything together and see what we get!" I agree, they really went overboard and well beyond the theme they set out to do. Also, I felt the series barely was focused on the sisters anymore. I know many fans love hybrids and powers to death. But, not me. I wished they just let their children only have one witch power that wasn't one of the Warrens, that would of at least let things be different. I don't believe Melinda from Morality Bites was a witch-whitelighter, or it didn't seem like it. Unless I'm wrong. A show with all powers and different children with powers and hybrids sounds like something you'll see on a Marvel or DC series. But not a show based on three sisters who happen to be witches. |
|
|
|
Post by peytonmarie on Nov 22, 2018 21:09:51 GMT -5
Agreed! Focus was definitely pulled away from witchcraft and it sucked. I really didn't like how most (or is it all?) of the kids are cross-breeds of magical beings. Witch-whitelighters, witch-cupids, etc. It's like the new Jurassic Park: "let's just splice everything together and see what we get!" I agree, they really went overboard and well beyond the theme they set out to do. Also, I felt the series barely was focused on the sisters anymore. I know many fans love hybrids and powers to death. But, not me. I wished they just let their children only have one witch power that wasn't one of the Warrens, that would of at least let things be different. I don't believe Melinda from Morality Bites was a witch-whitelighter, or it didn't seem like it. Unless I'm wrong. A show with all powers and different children with powers and hybrids sounds like something you'll see on a Marvel or DC series. But not a show based on three sisters who happen to be witches. I was just talking about that earlier! It did seem a lot more like X-Men toward the end. Everyone has these unique superpowers and that's all they need. No spellcasting required. I'll admit, I do sort of love exploring all the different powers the kids could have based on what hybrid creature they are. But even so, I feel it belongs in fanfiction more than the actual show/comics. I do wish they'd stayed true the original premise. And yeah, I didn't get the feeling Melinda was a witchlighter, either. But then, that was pre-Paige and it's not like we actually see any of her magic in that episode. She's just an ordinary little girl. Which... I love! More of that, please! Less Twice-Blessed superbaby. |
|
Esmeralda
Charmed
S2 "What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Twenty Years Gone....But Never Forgotten.
Posts: 21,920
|
Post by Esmeralda on Nov 22, 2018 21:36:07 GMT -5
I agree, they really went overboard and well beyond the theme they set out to do. Also, I felt the series barely was focused on the sisters anymore. I know many fans love hybrids and powers to death. But, not me. I wished they just let their children only have one witch power that wasn't one of the Warrens, that would of at least let things be different. I don't believe Melinda from Morality Bites was a witch-whitelighter, or it didn't seem like it. Unless I'm wrong. A show with all powers and different children with powers and hybrids sounds like something you'll see on a Marvel or DC series. But not a show based on three sisters who happen to be witches. I was just talking about that earlier! It did seem a lot more like X-Men toward the end. Everyone has these unique superpowers and that's all they need. No spellcasting required. I'll admit, I do sort of love exploring all the different powers the kids could have based on what hybrid creature they are. But even so, I feel it belongs in fanfiction more than the actual show/comics. I do wish they'd stayed true the original premise. And yeah, I didn't get the feeling Melinda was a witchlighter, either. But then, that was pre-Paige and it's not like we actually see any of her magic in that episode. She's just an ordinary little girl. Which... I love! More of that, please! Less Twice-Blessed superbaby. Well, I've had it proven to me that she *did* have powers (originally I thought she only had magic...), but like you, I never was led to believe that she had any whitelighter powers. Those are people who are dead and have lived a good life - not for someone whose father had lived a good life. If the fact that the Halliwells' father was a mortal and grandfather was a mortal and who knows how far back were mortal and they were still the most powerful witches up to that point, then having hybrid powers really doesn't make a lot of sense. But I know what you mean about having fun with it, especially in fanfiction. Some friends and I have written a fanfic that shows that Prue, Piper and Phoebe don't visit the future (it's nothing like what our 2009 was like!) but an alternate universe, one that continued after the Charmed Ones returned to their body - one where Piper only has Melinda, who is the Twice-Blessed Child and at 16 has her powers bound, because Piper and Leo have agreed to stay away from each other so that Nathaniel Pratt (now possessed by the Source...) won't know about Melinda, so instead they have a different whitelighter - Prue's husband Andy Trudeau - and they have a five-year-old named Victoria Patricia... Both Phoebe and Paige are dead - Phoebe was burnt and Paige is the friend whose death was never avenged and happened before they knew who she was... So what happens when this group ends up in a Charmedverse based on the flash-forward from 'Forever Charmed' but Wyatt is also 16 (born the same day as Melinda, hence why they're both twice-blessed...) while Chris is 14 - and the girl we saw with them in the flash-forward is their cousin, not their sister... That story is told here: thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/thread/12183/morality-takes-bite-back |
|
|
|
Post by peytonmarie on Nov 22, 2018 22:03:56 GMT -5
I was just talking about that earlier! It did seem a lot more like X-Men toward the end. Everyone has these unique superpowers and that's all they need. No spellcasting required. I'll admit, I do sort of love exploring all the different powers the kids could have based on what hybrid creature they are. But even so, I feel it belongs in fanfiction more than the actual show/comics. I do wish they'd stayed true the original premise. And yeah, I didn't get the feeling Melinda was a witchlighter, either. But then, that was pre-Paige and it's not like we actually see any of her magic in that episode. She's just an ordinary little girl. Which... I love! More of that, please! Less Twice-Blessed superbaby. Well, I've had it proven to me that she *did* have powers (originally I thought she only had magic...), but like you, I never was led to believe that she had any whitelighter powers. Those are people who are dead and have lived a good life - not for someone whose father had lived a good life. If the fact that the Halliwells' father was a mortal and grandfather was a mortal and who knows how far back were mortal and they were still the most powerful witches up to that point, then having hybrid powers really doesn't make a lot of sense. But I know what you mean about having fun with it, especially in fanfiction. Some friends and I have written a fanfic that shows that Prue, Piper and Phoebe don't visit the future (it's nothing like what our 2009 was like!) but an alternate universe, one that continued after the Charmed Ones returned to their body - one where Piper only has Melinda, who is the Twice-Blessed Child and at 16 has her powers bound, because Piper and Leo have agreed to stay away from each other so that Nathaniel Pratt (now possessed by the Source...) won't know about Melinda, so instead they have a different whitelighter - Prue's husband Andy Trudeau - and they have a five-year-old named Victoria Patricia... Both Phoebe and Paige are dead - Phoebe was burnt and Paige is the friend whose death was never avenged and happened before they knew who she was... So what happens when this group ends up in a Charmedverse based on the flash-forward from 'Forever Charmed' but Wyatt is also 16 (born the same day as Melinda, hence why they're both twice-blessed...) while Chris is 14 - and the girl we saw with them in the flash-forward is their cousin, not their sister... That story is told here: thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/thread/12183/morality-takes-bite-backOh, I LOVE the idea of Paige being the friend Cal killed! Even if they don't know they're sisters, she's a much better fit for that role than the-person-named-in-the-comics-in-case-someone-reading-this-doesn't-know. I just don't feel that character was important enough to drive Phoebe to commit a freakin' murder. The premise sounds awesome, I can't wait to read it  |
|
Esmeralda
Charmed
S2 "What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Twenty Years Gone....But Never Forgotten.
Posts: 21,920
|
Post by Esmeralda on Nov 22, 2018 22:36:41 GMT -5
Well, I've had it proven to me that she *did* have powers (originally I thought she only had magic...), but like you, I never was led to believe that she had any whitelighter powers. Those are people who are dead and have lived a good life - not for someone whose father had lived a good life. If the fact that the Halliwells' father was a mortal and grandfather was a mortal and who knows how far back were mortal and they were still the most powerful witches up to that point, then having hybrid powers really doesn't make a lot of sense. But I know what you mean about having fun with it, especially in fanfiction. Some friends and I have written a fanfic that shows that Prue, Piper and Phoebe don't visit the future (it's nothing like what our 2009 was like!) but an alternate universe, one that continued after the Charmed Ones returned to their body - one where Piper only has Melinda, who is the Twice-Blessed Child and at 16 has her powers bound, because Piper and Leo have agreed to stay away from each other so that Nathaniel Pratt (now possessed by the Source...) won't know about Melinda, so instead they have a different whitelighter - Prue's husband Andy Trudeau - and they have a five-year-old named Victoria Patricia... Both Phoebe and Paige are dead - Phoebe was burnt and Paige is the friend whose death was never avenged and happened before they knew who she was... So what happens when this group ends up in a Charmedverse based on the flash-forward from 'Forever Charmed' but Wyatt is also 16 (born the same day as Melinda, hence why they're both twice-blessed...) while Chris is 14 - and the girl we saw with them in the flash-forward is their cousin, not their sister... That story is told here: thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/thread/12183/morality-takes-bite-backOh, I LOVE the idea of Paige being the friend Cal killed! Even if they don't know they're sisters, she's a much better fit for that role than the-person-named-in-the-comics-in-case-someone-reading-this-doesn't-know. I just don't feel that character was important enough to drive Phoebe to commit a freakin' murder. The premise sounds awesome, I can't wait to read it Agreed, totally, even if I liked the way most of that issue fit the rest of the series - it's my favorite issue of the comics. I hope you decide to give our fanfic a try and let us know what you think of it! |
|
|
|
Post by prudencehalliwell on Nov 23, 2018 0:33:02 GMT -5
I agree, they really went overboard and well beyond the theme they set out to do. Also, I felt the series barely was focused on the sisters anymore. I know many fans love hybrids and powers to death. But, not me. I wished they just let their children only have one witch power that wasn't one of the Warrens, that would of at least let things be different. I don't believe Melinda from Morality Bites was a witch-whitelighter, or it didn't seem like it. Unless I'm wrong. A show with all powers and different children with powers and hybrids sounds like something you'll see on a Marvel or DC series. But not a show based on three sisters who happen to be witches. I was just talking about that earlier! It did seem a lot more like X-Men toward the end. Everyone has these unique superpowers and that's all they need. No spellcasting required. I'll admit, I do sort of love exploring all the different powers the kids could have based on what hybrid creature they are. But even so, I feel it belongs in fanfiction more than the actual show/comics. I do wish they'd stayed true the original premise. And yeah, I didn't get the feeling Melinda was a witchlighter, either. But then, that was pre-Paige and it's not like we actually see any of her magic in that episode. She's just an ordinary little girl. Which... I love! More of that, please! Less Twice-Blessed superbaby. Agreed. Much like Piper with her new power, making Phoebe and Paige useless, if Piper can take out demons on her own. Not even Prue could do that during her run on Charmed. I agree I have read wonderful stories in fanfics doing that. I just wished it still kept to the true premise with the sisters being the stars, and sisters who happened to be witches. Me too. Less Wyatt more Melinda and a regular little girl. If she was just a normal witch, I'd be happy. Something fanfics can correct. Now if all three only had one daughter each, and those three were part of a new spin-off/next generation so it was on three cousins, who were not the Charmed Ones. That might be fun. Just give them each a different non-Warren power, and only one. I was just talking about that earlier! It did seem a lot more like X-Men toward the end. Everyone has these unique superpowers and that's all they need. No spellcasting required. I'll admit, I do sort of love exploring all the different powers the kids could have based on what hybrid creature they are. But even so, I feel it belongs in fanfiction more than the actual show/comics. I do wish they'd stayed true the original premise. And yeah, I didn't get the feeling Melinda was a witchlighter, either. But then, that was pre-Paige and it's not like we actually see any of her magic in that episode. She's just an ordinary little girl. Which... I love! More of that, please! Less Twice-Blessed superbaby. Well, I've had it proven to me that she *did* have powers (originally I thought she only had magic...), but like you, I never was led to believe that she had any whitelighter powers. Those are people who are dead and have lived a good life - not for someone whose father had lived a good life. If the fact that the Halliwells' father was a mortal and grandfather was a mortal and who knows how far back were mortal and they were still the most powerful witches up to that point, then having hybrid powers really doesn't make a lot of sense. But I know what you mean about having fun with it, especially in fanfiction. Some friends and I have written a fanfic that shows that Prue, Piper and Phoebe don't visit the future (it's nothing like what our 2009 was like!) but an alternate universe, one that continued after the Charmed Ones returned to their body - one where Piper only has Melinda, who is the Twice-Blessed Child and at 16 has her powers bound, because Piper and Leo have agreed to stay away from each other so that Nathaniel Pratt (now possessed by the Source...) won't know about Melinda, so instead they have a different whitelighter - Prue's husband Andy Trudeau - and they have a five-year-old named Victoria Patricia... Both Phoebe and Paige are dead - Phoebe was burnt and Paige is the friend whose death was never avenged and happened before they knew who she was... So what happens when this group ends up in a Charmedverse based on the flash-forward from 'Forever Charmed' but Wyatt is also 16 (born the same day as Melinda, hence why they're both twice-blessed...) while Chris is 14 - and the girl we saw with them in the flash-forward is their cousin, not their sister... That story is told here: thecharmedcafe.proboards.com/thread/12183/morality-takes-bite-backI bet Kern was the one to do that when he gave us Wyatt and not Melinda. I so wished Melinda was just a regular witch with only one non-Warren power, and that's it. But it doesn't mean, I haven't enjoyed some wonderful fanfics that tried to correct or make sense of what the show did, only make it better. |
|
rebooted
Witch
Started watching at 12
Posts: 1,803 
|
Post by rebooted on Feb 4, 2019 17:33:35 GMT -5
The most common Charmed problems is not planning for the development of the characters especially long term after Season 3.
The mythology moves from being witch and wicca focused, with a heavy focus on learning more about the sisters upbringing and their family history - to learning more about the magical community around magic and instead of focusing on their magnificent history - it concentrates on their disastrous apocalyptic future
Why did the sisters have to save the world every other week?
Why did white lighters steal focus?
Why did the birth order change, change the characters?
Why did they stop focusing on the interesting sisterhood and family history which got them there and the day-to-day relatable struggles/demons us normal folk deal with as well?
Ahhh -- because Alyssa Milano and Rose McGowans chests and a star-wars like flop of a Season 6 storyline and the lack of forethought into what brining in a (male) baby to a female dominated line was more important post Season 4.5
|
|
|
|
Post by Elle Em on Feb 4, 2019 19:12:24 GMT -5
Why did the sisters have to save the world every other week? This is something that I noticed while rewatching The Wendigo. The thing attacks Piper, and she's adamant it wasn't human. Prue and Phoebe believe her, yet don't seem to care enough to investigate. Prue tells Piper that Andy and the FBI lady will handle it. They don't get involved until Piper starts to become a wendigo herself. This is so counter to what it was like in later seasons. Any time anything even somewhat supernatural came into their lives, they dove into it. It made them seem more like superheroes posing as normal people rather than normal people who have these magical abilities and who sometimes save innocent people. |
|
Granny Charmed
Whitelighter
S1 "What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Posts: 3,225
|
Post by Granny Charmed on Feb 4, 2019 19:32:17 GMT -5
Why did the sisters have to save the world every other week? This is something that I noticed while rewatching The Wendigo. The thing attacks Piper, and she's adamant it wasn't human. Prue and Phoebe believe her, yet don't seem to care enough to investigate. Prue tells Piper that Andy and the FBI lady will handle it. They don't get involved until Piper starts to become a wendigo herself. This is so counter to what it was like in later seasons. Any time anything even somewhat supernatural came into their lives, they dove into it. It made them seem more like superheroes posing as normal people rather than normal people who have these magical abilities and who sometimes save innocent people. When it stopped being sisters who happen to be witches but witches/superheroes who happen to be sisters.
I'm truly loving our rewatches and getting to love Charmed dears how I like it. I just hope I'll still be able to enjoy it, as I am every single week, when we reach later seasons.
|
|
sky1
Familiar
Posts: 304
|
Post by sky1 on Jul 2, 2019 6:41:09 GMT -5
|
|
rebooted
Witch
Started watching at 12
Posts: 1,803
|
Post by rebooted on Oct 8, 2019 1:45:09 GMT -5
The worst thing about Charmed
Is that good things never last forever.
But I like how we can reflect on why it had such an impact on us for a period in our lives
Magic in a bottle
|
|
|
|
Post by Elle Em on Oct 8, 2019 8:19:01 GMT -5
The worst thing about Charmed Is that good things never last forever. But I like how we can reflect on why it had such an impact on us for a period in our lives Magic in a bottle For sure. It couldn't have kept up the good parts forever. In a way, it's good that it strayed so far from what a lot of us love about it, because the contrast helps us to see the good that much clearer. I feel like a lot of my passion for the first half comes from wanting to defend it against the second half that let me down. Although if it had managed to run for a good amount of seasons that still felt like seasons 1 and 2, I wouldn't complain about that. |
|
|
|
Post by gzv969 on Oct 11, 2019 13:48:03 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder what the episodes of charmed would have been like today if was still on. If it had the length of run like Supernatural had. If it was in its 21st season.
|
|
Esmeralda
Charmed
S2 "What If...?"
Fan Fic Winner
Twenty Years Gone....But Never Forgotten.
Posts: 21,920
|
Post by Esmeralda on Oct 11, 2019 17:50:29 GMT -5
If Kern was still in control..*shudder*
|
|
