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Post by pheebs on Oct 11, 2019 19:39:24 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder what the episodes of charmed would have been like today if was still on. If it had the length of run like Supernatural had. If it was in its 21st season. I'd imagine, by this point the sisters would have vanquished the Source nine times. Rose would have quit when her contract was up, no way, she'd go more, I'd be worried for her sanity. The sisters would meet long lost sister number 2, and or maybe Shannen would have returned as Prue.
They would all have died so often, that they'd start to play games with each-other on who has died the most times in the past year. 
I'd bet, by this point Kern would introduce yet another twice blessed special child for Phoebe or Paige or something.
If Kern was still in control..*shudder* But if this were the case, Kern may or would already be exposed of his troubles in the writers room, wouldn't he, so he'd be pulled from the show a few years ago.
I'd imagine it would only get worse, and some of us would quit Charmed for good. It depends, if Kern really did stay on that long. I like to imagine, he doesn't stay on this long.
But, I'll bet it wouldn't even be Charmed. They'll change it up so it is less on the sisters, and more on the children.
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 11, 2019 20:38:07 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder what the episodes of charmed would have been like today if was still on. If it had the length of run like Supernatural had. If it was in its 21st season. I'd imagine, by this point the sisters would have vanquished the Source nine times. Rose would have quit when her contract was up, no way, she'd go more, I'd be worried for her sanity. The sisters would meet long lost sister number 2, and or maybe Shannen would have returned as Prue.
They would all have died so often, that they'd start to play games with each-other on who has died the most times in the past year. I'd bet, by this point Kern would introduce yet another twice blessed special child for Phoebe or Paige or something. If Kern was still in control..*shudder* But if this were the case, Kern may or would already be exposed of his troubles in the writers room, wouldn't he, so he'd be pulled from the show a few years ago. I'd imagine it would only get worse, and some of us would quit Charmed for good. It depends, if Kern really did stay on that long. I like to imagine, he doesn't stay on this long.
But, I'll bet it wouldn't even be Charmed. They'll change it up so it is less on the sisters, and more on the children.
That's what I'm saying - that Kern would ruin it before they find out about what he's done. That's why I shuddered. That's probably the only reason why I'm glad Charmed died when it did. Just remember that had it continued, it probably would've been Billie's spin-off...the actresses didn't want to do it any more - they would not have signed their next contract. |
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Post by pheebs on Oct 11, 2019 21:40:05 GMT -5
I'd imagine, by this point the sisters would have vanquished the Source nine times. Rose would have quit when her contract was up, no way, she'd go more, I'd be worried for her sanity. The sisters would meet long lost sister number 2, and or maybe Shannen would have returned as Prue.
They would all have died so often, that they'd start to play games with each-other on who has died the most times in the past year. I'd bet, by this point Kern would introduce yet another twice blessed special child for Phoebe or Paige or something. But if this were the case, Kern may or would already be exposed of his troubles in the writers room, wouldn't he, so he'd be pulled from the show a few years ago. I'd imagine it would only get worse, and some of us would quit Charmed for good. It depends, if Kern really did stay on that long. I like to imagine, he doesn't stay on this long.
But, I'll bet it wouldn't even be Charmed. They'll change it up so it is less on the sisters, and more on the children.
That's what I'm saying - that Kern would ruin it before they find out about what he's done. That's why I shuddered. That's probably the only reason why I'm glad Charmed died when it did. Just remember that had it continued, it probably would've been Billie's spin-off...the actresses didn't want to do it any more - they would not have signed their next contract. Your absolutely right about that. All in all, good that it ended when it did. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Oct 12, 2019 6:44:41 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying - that Kern would ruin it before they find out about what he's done. That's why I shuddered. That's probably the only reason why I'm glad Charmed died when it did. Just remember that had it continued, it probably would've been Billie's spin-off...the actresses didn't want to do it any more - they would not have signed their next contract. Your absolutely right about that. All in all, good that it ended when it did. But better if it had ended sooner!  |
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Post by imdb lives on on Oct 12, 2019 15:21:45 GMT -5
If only it ended when they vanquished the source. I would want a fifith season if it tackled zankou and finish up with him. Slot of the problems that fans had come up later in the season. At least finishing four with the source would be a great finale villian
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Post by Pillow Halliwell on Dec 25, 2019 9:02:44 GMT -5
I’d say a lot of the old whitelighter/Elder rules became so inconsistent.
Leo once said he couldn’t heal any non-demonically induced wounds... but then he heals a cut on Piper’s finger. Even in Lost & Bound, Leo “healing” Tyler was simply melting the ice on him — which didn’t really make sense as it wasn’t technically an injury.
It was explained that the Elders gave Phoebe her premonitions, but then somehow it shifted into Phoebe just needing psychic energy in the area and how she even learned to force her premonitions.
I’m sure there’s more I’m forgetting.
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Post by forbuss on Oct 2, 2020 21:56:28 GMT -5
I think the single biggest problem in Charmed, if I had to name one, would be the constant changing whitelighter lore. They changed these things so much, every season and multiple times per season. The Charmed Ones looked consistent next to them.
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Post by Too Much Coffee on Oct 3, 2020 2:40:55 GMT -5
I think the single biggest problem in Charmed, if I had to name one, would be the constant changing whitelighter lore. They changed these things so much, every season and multiple times per season. The Charmed Ones looked consistent next to them. Yeah that was really bad. In S2, Leo could only orb one person, and had to hug them, and Piper even had some side effects after with headaches, as we saw in P3 H20, when I re-watched that one a while ago, I noticed this. Leo was not able to orb the whole family and had limits, even when it came to healing, later, he just healed everything. Sometimes Leo displayed Telekinesis like powers in some episodes, which was weird, and Leo getting all those powers much later, and being able to kill Gideon made my eyes roll, how a whitelighter was able to do that, he should have turned into a Darklighter by doing that. I could not stand how they allowed them to have that lightning power and vanquish demons which Leo started to do in Season 7, which I could not stand, and especially when the Elders were able to display that to try and kill Leo. They were meant to be pacifists. |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Oct 10, 2020 7:27:28 GMT -5
The four main reasons I have is the following, however, these are my opinions and don't reflect everyone in the community.
Number One: The Lore
The one area I believe Charmed is lacking the most is an established lore. I don't have an issue with taking different things from all religions or spiritual beliefs due to the fact that no one knows the "correct" religion anyways and even real life witches use something from all faiths, however, Charmed doesn't even represent that correctly, the biggest example of this is the butchering of Hecate, who is the Goddess of Magick not a demon.
How amazing would it be if they discovered that they got their powers through the Goddess of Magic who blessed their ancestry line with gifts beyond human understanding.
Number Two: The Powers.
The issue I have with powers on Charmed is that they are associated with good or evil. Like why can't a witch "shimmer" and a demon "heal" it makes zero sense, I would prefer if all the powers were neutral it would make the whole demon-hunting an actual challenge rather than easily identifiable.
Number Three: The Book Of Shadows.
I don't have a lot to say about this due to the fact I don't have a huge issue with it. I think I got sick of it being a huge plot device meaning that every demon they have faced is in the Book, they haven't had an opportunity to be totally defenseless (and not by losing their powers) and grow from it.
Another thing I would have liked to see is the Charmed Ones, the most powerful witches of all time, writing more entries into the book especially about the demons they have faced, potions they have brewed and spells they have written.
Number Four: Billie Jenkins/The Ultimate Power
I would have preferred it if Billie was Phoebe's daughter from the future rather than the "Ultimate Power" since there should be no one more powerful than the Charmed Ones.
Christy and Billie's reasoning behind attacking the Charmed Ones are, in my opinion, stupid because of course they want a life separate from magic. Prue, Piper, Phoebe and Paige all have sacrificed a lot in their lives for the greater good, including themselves.
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Post by rebooted on Dec 5, 2020 21:35:49 GMT -5
I liked he beginning of Charmed because it felt like with Aaron Spelling/Constance/Shannen it had Beverley Hills 90210 mixed with Brad Kerns supernatural Lois & Clark drama.
When Shannen and Connie left, and Aaron and E. Duke no longer cared about the WB because of how not really profitable it was, Charmed suffered and by Season 4, the premise and demon of the week episode configuration is changed to be more soapy/romantic interest centric.
When I was a kids I thought Charmed would go on and on forever! I wonder sometimes where those original characters would be now hadn't the show crashed
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Post by Aaeiyn on Sept 7, 2021 20:01:07 GMT -5
I think I figured out why S8 is such a disappointment. Aside from the repeat use of other storylines, but its the one season with the least amount of music. S8 has more aerial views of SF than S3, however S3 has more P3 performances than S8. In fact, S8 only has one single P3 performance. As much as I like Billie and everything, its hard to get through S8 because of the lack in music. S1-S2 set up this formula about utilizing music, in order to "set the tone", for the episode. And, S8 did not follow the formula, very well. Take a look at my notes: Episode Count with Aerial Views of SF with Non-Generic Songs:- S2 - 21 episodes
- S1 - 18 episodes
- S6 - 13 episodes
- S5 & S7 - Tied for 11 episodes
- S4 - 8 episodes
- S8 - 5 episodes
- S3 - 4 episodes
Episode Count with Actual P3 Performances (and not when P3 was "the Spot"):
- S3 - 7 episodes
- S2 & S5 - Tied for 5 episodes
- S6 & S7 - Tied for 3 episodes
- S4 & S8 - Tied for 1 episode
Episode Count with Other Songs That Aren't Aerial Views of SF nor P3 Performances but Act Similarly:- S1 - 2 episodes
Songs are playing, while we see Piper doing things, after the Intro Song
- S2, S4, S5 & S6 - Tied for 1 episode
With the exception of S4, the other seasons have non-P3 performances. S4 has "The Spot" performance.
Grand Total:- S2 - 22 episodes
- S1 - 20 episodes
- S5 & S6 - Tied for 17 episodes
- S7 - 14 episodes
- S3 - 11 episodes
- S4 - 10 episodes
- S8 - 6 episodes
Now, I don't hate S8 as much, but I do tend to "skip over it" because there's hardly any music in it. 6/22 episodes having music is not going to cut it, for me. S4 & S3 sit around at about half of the episodes containing music. It gets a little bit better with S7. And then I don't have too many complaints with S6. My issue with S5 is mostly with S5a (where most of S5a hardly has music, anyway, it gets better in S5b). S5b is fine (because it starts picking back up with the S1-S2 formula). Ofc, we know about S1. My issue with S2, despite following the formula, was the overuse of Dan. I have to...dance around Dan which mostly the beginning and end of S2, for me LOL
Even though, S3 doesn't have a lot of music as other seasons, I love re-watching some of those episodes more than I do with S4 & S8. And, most of my preferred episodes contain P3 performances, so there you go!
So, my top seasons usually fluctuate between S1, S3 & S6. S1 & S6 follow the S1-S2 formula. While S3 does not, it's still a fun season with Prue, before she has to go. At least, some of the beginning episodes. I don't watch too much of the later episodes in S3. Pretty much after Sleuthing With the Enemy, I don't really care too much for what happens after that except for "The Good, the Bad and the Cursed", but I digress.
My bottom seasons tend to fluctuate between S2, S4 & S8. S4 & S8 have an issue with following the S1-S2 formula. While, S2 follows the S1-S2 formula, again, Dan is my issue. I watch like the beginning of S2, like the first maybe 3 episodes before I skip over to the last 3 episodes, of the season LOL
My "meh" seasons are S5 & S7. While S5b follows the S1-S2 formula, S5a does not, so I have to skip over S5a (pretty much after Cole is not in the picture, I'm fine with it). I really only like S7a despite S7b following the S1-S2 formula. But, it's like mostly because of Brody. After he's gone, I just don't care anymore LOL
So, yeah, I think Charmed not being consistent with its S1-S2 formula is what did it for them. I genuinely believe that S1-S2 is the Prue era's strongest seasons (even though I like S3, better but I understand why people don't, but I digress). Followed by S5-S6 for the Paige era especially by S5b because the S1-S2 formula made a comeback.
That's how I choose to believe it, anyway LOL
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Post by fallingsnow6136 on Sept 7, 2021 21:10:12 GMT -5
I feel one of the biggest problems is the existence of the cleaners because it raises a lot of questions. In Crimes and Witch Demeanours, the Cleaner said he was sent to watch over them since they became witches. This would make more sense if it was since the Charmed Ones were reconstituted but not since they became witches. If the cleaners clean up the messes, why didn't they clean it up in All Hell Breaks Loose.
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Post by Elle Em on Sept 8, 2021 7:03:46 GMT -5
I feel one of the biggest problems is the existence of the cleaners because it raises a lot of questions. In Crimes and Witch Demeanours, the Cleaner said he was sent to watch over them since they became witches. This would make more sense if it was since the Charmed Ones were reconstituted but not since they became witches. If the cleaners clean up the messes, why didn't they clean it up in All Hell Breaks Loose. It could have been that the events of AHBL were supposed to play out like we saw, but if that were the case, it still should have been addressed. Like the Cleaner saying that they only intervened when they could sense that there was no other way to get a situation under control, or a situation wouldn't resolve itself. I wish the Cleaners never existed. If things can always be erased, there's no suspense about exposure. |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 17, 2021 7:57:23 GMT -5
I feel one of the biggest problems is the existence of the cleaners because it raises a lot of questions. In Crimes and Witch Demeanours, the Cleaner said he was sent to watch over them since they became witches. This would make more sense if it was since the Charmed Ones were reconstituted but not since they became witches. If the cleaners clean up the messes, why didn't they clean it up in All Hell Breaks Loose. It could have been that the events of AHBL were supposed to play out like we saw, but if that were the case, it still should have been addressed. Like the Cleaner saying that they only intervened when they could sense that there was no other way to get a situation under control, or a situation wouldn't resolve itself. I wish the Cleaners never existed. If things can always be erased, there's no suspense about exposure. I prefer to think that the Cleaners were created because of the events of AHBL. Like, the powers of good and evil jointly decided, “Okay, we’re not doing this s**t again…” Though, yes, I also hate the concept of the Cleaners entirely. Any Charmed fanfic I (eventually) write will never, ever have them in it. |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 17, 2021 8:27:15 GMT -5
OH! I really like this way of looking at it - rather than her whitelighter half offsetting his demonic half (which part of Cole is demonic? His hand? His brain? His heart? His lungs? His kidneys? Ditto for which part of Paige is angelic...) which was one of Brad Kern's more stupid ideas (like Leo unable to heal Cole in 'Sleuthing with the Enemy' - he either should've been able to heal him or not heal him), the idea of her channeling her power to Leo and helping him heal Cole (which, no, would not count as her healing him) makes a lot of sense. Exactly! Super late to this party but whatever. I would've liked if Leo's healing power worked on the basis of alignment to Good or Evil. So in SwtE he can heal him. But when he becomes the Source, maybe there could've been a moment where Leo goes to heal him and he has to refuse because he knows it won't work and will give him away. One of the few more-or-less concrete things Leo ever said about his healing power is that he can only use it when he’s meant to - i.e. when They allow him to. Not being able to heal “evil”… Well, for all that they’re supposed to be all goodness and light, the Elders don’t exactly seem all that tolerant. Anything that isn’t human (or representative of the Halliwells’ sisterly bond, like the P3 sign) can’t be healed. Not even animals - or humans cursed to be an animal - are allowed. (I guess pets or wildlife aren’t innocent. Good thing Kit never took a shot from any of the demonic invaders in the Manor.) So, I presume that when someone is made a whitelighter and given their power, they’re also given certain blocks to go along with them. I mean think about it: whitelighters are pacifists, yet some of the powers that Leo’s displayed - telekinesis, thermokinesis (or whatever the power that let him reheat Phoebe’s coffee while he was explaining things to her back in season 1 is called) could be used to boil someone’s brain or something, remote (aka “telekinetic”) orbing that Paige showed could potentially yank the heart out of someone’s chest - could be pretty freaking dangerous. I doubt that Natalie was the first one to show up in time to watch her charge die, and eventually there would have been a whitelighter that wouldn’t have stood for that and lashed out at the killer… unless they physically couldn’t. But then along comes Paige, who was born with her powers, rather than having been given them, and thus wouldn’t have those (theoretical) blocks. My headcanon is that what was really happening in that scene was that Leo was channeling his power through Paige in order to sidestep those limitations. And maybe that’s also part of why whitelighter/witch pairings were forbidden: the resulting child would inherit powers that might not be as strong as a full whitelighter, but also wouldn’t have any of the same limitations, and the Elders are big enough control freaks that someone who was basically a whitelighter that they had no authority over wouldn’t sit well with them. (I mean, honestly, did Paige ever seem “half pacifist”?) That may have even been why they started giving Paige charges, so that they did have some authority over her. |
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Post by Andrew on Sept 17, 2021 8:35:48 GMT -5
Oh, and the most common problem Charmed had, in my opinion? Saying evil was genetic. It didn’t matter who you were, it didn’t matter what you thought, it didn’t matter if you’d never done anything to anyone. Unless you devoted yourself to God (though even that only seemed to work once), if you had warlock or demonic heritage, you were evil. Period. Even being the half-human love interest of one of the three main leads wouldn’t save you. With the exception of a “mythological 48-hour window” that’s never mentioned once after the single episode where it matters, you’re born good or evil, and you will stay that way until you die.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 17, 2021 17:40:15 GMT -5
Oh, and the most common problem Charmed had, in my opinion? Saying evil was genetic. It didn’t matter who you were, it didn’t matter what you thought, it didn’t matter if you’d never done anything to anyone. Unless you devoted yourself to God (though even that only seemed to work once), if you had warlock or demonic heritage, you were evil. Period. Even being the half-human love interest of one of the three main leads wouldn’t save you. With the exception of a “mythological 48-hour window” that’s never mentioned once after the single episode where it matters, you’re born good or evil, and you will stay that way until you die. I'd agree with you if they hadn't included angels and demons and included halves. But as a Christian, the word demon will always make me think evil and angels will make me think good. It's the idea of them able to have children with witches automatically making them good that I don't like. I'd prefer the only demons be the Demons of who would be seen as often as the Angels of were and not the main antagonist. I'd also prefer witches who kill become warlocks and warlocks who save lives become witches. That's the morality I think a fantasy show like Charmed (since there's no such thing as witches with powers...) should have. But that's the fun of being fans - different fans look at the show differently. None of us is right; none of us is wrong; we just see the show differently. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 17, 2021 17:45:16 GMT -5
The four main reasons I have is the following, however, these are my opinions and don't reflect everyone in the community.
Number Four: Billie Jenkins/The Ultimate Power
I would have preferred it if Billie was Phoebe's daughter from the future rather than the "Ultimate Power" since there should be no one more powerful than the Charmed Ones.
Christy and Billie's reasoning behind attacking the Charmed Ones are, in my opinion, stupid because of course they want a life separate from magic. Prue, Piper, Phoebe and Paige all have sacrificed a lot in their lives for the greater good, including themselves.
When Billie first showed up, I truly thought she was a grownup version of Phoebe's Ladybug. I was *very* disappointed that they only named her that so they could come up with two episodes called 'Kill Billie, Vol 1' and 'Kill Billie, Vol 2', the way Paige got her name so they'd have one called 'Paige of the Past', Chris got his name so they'd have one called 'ChrisCrossed" and Christy got hers so they could have one called 'The Last Temptation of Christy'. That's what I'll always think was one of Charmed's most common mistakes - I truly think they came up with episode titles and then came up with the episode, putting the cart before the horse. |
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Post by BriannaWarren2.0 on Sept 17, 2021 18:25:45 GMT -5
The four main reasons I have is the following, however, these are my opinions and don't reflect everyone in the community.
Number Four: Billie Jenkins/The Ultimate Power
I would have preferred it if Billie was Phoebe's daughter from the future rather than the "Ultimate Power" since there should be no one more powerful than the Charmed Ones.
Christy and Billie's reasoning behind attacking the Charmed Ones are, in my opinion, stupid because of course they want a life separate from magic. Prue, Piper, Phoebe and Paige all have sacrificed a lot in their lives for the greater good, including themselves.
When Billie first showed up, I truly thought she was a grownup version of Phoebe's Ladybug. I was *very* disappointed that they only named her that so they could come up with two episodes called 'Kill Billie, Vol 1' and 'Kill Billie, Vol 2', the way Paige got her name so they'd have one called 'Paige of the Past', Chris got his name so they'd have one called 'ChrisCrossed" and Christy got hers so they could have one called 'The Last Temptation of Christy'. That's what I'll always think was one of Charmed's most common mistakes - I truly think they came up with episode titles and then came up with the episode, putting the cart before the horse. It would have been cool that Billie would have been called herself that as a way to be easily identifiable by Phoebe, especially if they decided to bring in Drake as her father, Chris and Billie having green eyes would have been a beautiful nod to Prue. They could have still use the episode titles, I would have loved Chris and Billie's interaction about the future Chris saved removing Christy all together. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 17, 2021 18:54:15 GMT -5
When Billie first showed up, I truly thought she was a grownup version of Phoebe's Ladybug. I was *very* disappointed that they only named her that so they could come up with two episodes called 'Kill Billie, Vol 1' and 'Kill Billie, Vol 2', the way Paige got her name so they'd have one called 'Paige of the Past', Chris got his name so they'd have one called 'ChrisCrossed" and Christy got hers so they could have one called 'The Last Temptation of Christy'. That's what I'll always think was one of Charmed's most common mistakes - I truly think they came up with episode titles and then came up with the episode, putting the cart before the horse. It would have been cool that Billie would have been called herself that as a way to be easily identifiable by Phoebe, especially if they decided to bring in Drake as her father, Chris and Billie having green eyes would have been a beautiful nod to Prue. They could have still use the episode titles, I would have loved Chris and Billie's interaction about the future Chris saved removing Christy all together. Oops! I forgot to mention that I truly thought she was Phoebe's daughter because I thought she was named after Phoebe's first love - Billy Applegate from 'Chick Flick'. That would've led into the fact that she was only named that due to 'Kill Billie', etc. I like your ideas but I'd like them better if Chris' name had been Christy...and Wyatt's was Prudence Melinda...and she wasn't the Twice-Blessed brat - all part of Charmed's problem - letting a show about girl power be all about boy power. |
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