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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 4, 2007 19:43:42 GMT -5
Well, we don't really know, because we never saw any of them.
But why would the Warren men possess no powers at all for several centuries...especially since we've seen other male witches with active powers?
In "Forever Charmed," we see Wyatt and Chris casting spells together as young adults. As far as we know, whitelighters can't cast spells. So Wyatt and Chris are definitely witches...and there's no reason to believe they won't inherit witch powers.
In fact, near the end of "Forget Me...Not" we see Wyatt exhibit the power of combustion when he vanquishes his dragon. When have whitelighters ever been known to combust anything? That's definitely a witch power.
Chris, on the other hand...they never really showed us any of his witch powers -- except for his transkinesis, which is similar to Paige's, obviously a result of his combined whitelighter/witch heritage. But it's still safe to assume that half of that composite power comes from his witch side.
That's fair, and I can see why it seems too soapish to you. My purpose in outlining it was to show how a scenario where Warren boys could have been witches, but the women in the family never really wanted to accept the idea that boys could be magical...rather than rely on one poorly-written line of dialogue from Grams in one episode.
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Post by ljones on Nov 5, 2007 1:49:59 GMT -5
What is transkinesis?
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 5, 2007 2:52:28 GMT -5
Transkinesis: similar to telekinesis, except it's where you use your magic to translocate/teleport an object (or person) from Point A to Point B.
Paige did this for the first time in "Charmed Again - Part 2" with the candle at the church. She did it all throughout the rest of the series, although by Season 6 Paige learned how to telekinetically move objects in straight linear paths (although they still remained bathed in sparkly orbs).
Wyatt began to manifest these same transkinetic abilities shortly after his birth, as well.
Similiar to Paige and Wyatt, we also saw infant Chris do this in "Kill Bill: Vol. 2" at Victor's apartment, when Chris transkinetically orbed a gamepiece from the table into his playpen.
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Post by ljones on Nov 5, 2007 14:15:30 GMT -5
That is called TELEPORTATION (the movement of objects or elementary particles from one place to another, more or less instantaneously, without traveling through space).
But it's not an excuse for the men in the Warren family to keep their abilities a secret from the women in the family. All you have done is give an excuse for all of those - regardless of gender - a reason to keep their abilities an excuse from the outside world.
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Post by nordicfreyja88 on Nov 5, 2007 23:46:56 GMT -5
ok some of you are saying it is hard to belive that of all of the warren witches genorations there have been no boys, why? I mean isn't that just as easy to belive in as something like oh I don't know : whitches, whitelighters, elders, demons, warlocks and all of that stuff
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 6, 2007 3:13:19 GMT -5
No, teleportation is moving oneself from one place to another.
"Teleporting" an independent object (or person) from Point A to Point B is an entirely different power, so it needs a different reference. That's why I call it transkinesis - - others call it "TK orbing" (when a whitelighter/witch hybrid does it).
For the purposes of the Charmedverse, we have to suspend belief and accept that witches, whitelighters, Elders, demons, and warlocks are fact of life. Within that fictional universe, the standard laws of human pregnancy still apply. And to swallow the notion that 333 years passed with absolutely no boys born into the family is, well...three times the size of any person's throat.
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Post by ljones on Nov 6, 2007 10:40:31 GMT -5
Teleportation is moving one or more objects - whether it is yourself, another person or an inate object - from one place to another.
This is why I have kept insisting that Paige was a teleporter.
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Post by Assassin Witch on Nov 6, 2007 11:16:44 GMT -5
For the purposes of the Charmedverse, we have to suspend belief and accept that witches, whitelighters, Elders, demons, and warlocks are fact of life. Within that fictional universe, the standard laws of human pregnancy still apply. And to swallow the notion that 333 years passed with absolutely no boys born into the family is, well...three times the size of any person's throat. I believe that there are males in the family, just not any with magical abilities (spells, etc are fine to have if you want). What if the inherit POWERS only show up in females? It's possible since they do have things that are sex related. Male's just become carriers, which, according to your tree, in the end, they were. I don't understand how they all of a sudden got that way. But, this way, there are male Warrens, there just has not been a Warren witch, per se. As for Paige...wouldn't it be easier to just call her power TKO since that is what the power's name is.
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 7, 2007 3:43:49 GMT -5
What I'm saying is that the powers themselves are different.
When Evil Phoebe, possessed by the Woogy in "Is There A Woogy in the House?", summoned a nail file into her hand, that was a form of transkinesis (teleporting an object from Point A to Point B). But Evil Phoebe never self-teleported her own body.
Other characters, such as Paige/Wyatt/Chris, the Angel of Death, the Elf Nanny, various warlocks, various demons, etc., can do both. But they consciously do both variations of teleportation separately.
Meanwhile, some characters can probably only self-teleport, but not use transkinesis (teleporting objects from Point A to Point B).
That's the distinction. That's why they should be classified as separate powers.
And like it or not, ljones, Paige's power was telekinesis.
Why would none of the males born into the family possess active powers?
No, my family tree holds that, out of the Warren offspring who were carriers, all of those carriers happened to be males. There were still other male witches born into the family with active powers.
TKO = transkinesis Same difference.
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Post by ljones on Nov 7, 2007 10:47:02 GMT -5
Whitelightertony,
There is no such thing as transkinesis. I've checked. Only RPG games featuring kinesis and a web site on sports had anything to do with transkinesis.
Paige's ability was teleportation. I've read something on that subject, as well. Teleportation involves not only the movement of oneself, but of other objects, as well.
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Post by Hansemand on Nov 7, 2007 11:37:56 GMT -5
If you knew of charmed.wikia.com you would not even have this discussion about Paige ;D charmed.wikia.com/wiki/Telekinetic_orbingThe power Paige uses to move objects from A to B by using her orbing powers. Orbing one self does not take up much space, only a couple of lines. They just write: This is a power to teleport yourself or others from place to place, this power posses whitelighters,darklighters and some witches. Not worth posting a link for these few words. Lots more can be found at this link: charmed.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Powers(drag n' drop link to browser to work properly)
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Post by ljones on Nov 7, 2007 15:22:02 GMT -5
If you knew of charmed.wikia.com you would not even have this discussion about Paige ;D charmed.wikia.com/wiki/Telekinetic_orbingThe power Paige uses to move objects from A to B by using her orbing powers. Orbing one self does not take up much space, only a couple of lines. They just write: This is a power to teleport yourself or others from place to place, this power posses whitelighters,darklighters and some witches. Not worth posting a link for these few words. Lots more can be found at this link: charmed.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Powers(drag n' drop link to browser to work properly) I hate to tell you this, but Charmed.Wiki is wrong in their description of Paige's power. That's because the show's writers were wrong in their description of Paige's power. Paige is simply a telelporter. Not only can she teleport herself and other people, she can also teleport other objects. Orbing telekinesis does not exist. It is an ability created by Kern and his writers so that the old theory that each Charmed One possesses one of Melinda Warren's abilities, remains pat. With Prue dead, they tried to pass some version of the telekinesis ability on to Paige. The problem is that her "form of telekinesis" is nothing more than teleportation.
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Post by vandergraafk on Nov 7, 2007 18:52:43 GMT -5
Does Baccara's use of teleportare in A Witch in Time amount to anything?
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Post by marissa08 on Nov 7, 2007 21:40:41 GMT -5
^hah, just watched that episode. He was from the future, so idk if that has anything to do with it.
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 8, 2007 2:32:06 GMT -5
Well, the term itself is one I coined.
But the power itself - - yes, it involves teleportation, but in conjunction with telekinesis. The power is a combination of Paige's witch side (telekinesis) and Paige's whitelighter side (teleportation/"orbing"), which makes it a composite power.
There are also occasions when Paige has moved objects/people in a straight linear path (similar to how Prue did), albeit bathed in orbs (a side effect of Paige's whitelighter genes). So it is irrefutable that Paige possesses the power of telekinesis.
Now when Paige self-teleports only her body, via orbing - - that is solely her whitelighter side at work.
They're still two different powers, because one is not necessarily dependent on the other.
I repeat what I stated above.
Also, ljones, what makes the reading that you claim to have done on the subject of teleportation (which sounds like it was mainly from Internet-based sources) any more "credible" than the mythology that you deride Kern & Company for creating?
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Post by ljones on Nov 8, 2007 11:54:05 GMT -5
Because the reading I have done on teleportation came from more than just the Internet.
And I found most of Burge and Kern's theories on magic to be a load of crap. Sorry, but I thought so even during the show's early years.
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 8, 2007 20:38:40 GMT -5
I'm just curious -- what academic or scholarly resources out there have factual analyses of teleportation? Especially since, aside from those scientists who believe they managed to teleport a molecule, teleportation is only scientific theory at this point.
Then why did you even keep watching the show?
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Post by ljones on Nov 8, 2007 21:42:31 GMT -5
I'm just curious -- what academic or scholarly resources out there have factual analyses of teleportation? Especially since, aside from those scientists who believe they managed to teleport a molecule, teleportation is only scientific theory at this point. Then why did you even keep watching the show? I had stopped watching after Season 4. I did try to watch the later episodes on TNT, but I discovered that I couldn't stomach watching them very long. Now, I tend to watch the Seasons 1-4 episodes . . . when I'm in the mood.
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Post by whitelightertony on Nov 9, 2007 3:41:39 GMT -5
Okay, that's certainly your right, as a viewer. I'm still not understanding where you obtained all of this groundbreaking academic information about teleportation, though...
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Post by Reality Bites on Nov 9, 2007 12:00:56 GMT -5
Here's a thought.
Noticing the ongoing debate of whether Paige was a teleporter or telekinetic, it would have been interesting for the writers to strip Paige of her whitelighter powers temporarily in order to resolve the issue once and for all. In the past Paige has been robbed of her witch powers and left with only her whitelighter powers (season 6's "The Power of Three Blondes"). Why not the reverse?
Perhaps during any of the times when Paige struggled with her identity as a whitelighter she could have been temporarily stripped of those powers associated with her whitelighter half and left with only her witch power to "move things with her mind" (the end result probably being Paige's realization that she cannot live with just acknowledging only half of who she really is). Maybe then we would have discovered one or two things about Paige's witch power; a) she really is a teleporter and still transports objects via some form of Point A to Point B instantaneous method of travel sans the orbs or b) she exhibits her power in the same fashion as her oldest sister Prue during the first three seasons of Charmed.
Now that Charmed is over a Paige without her whitelighter powers, and whatever sole witch power she would have possessed, is mere speculation. But maybe there is some hint of evidence in any of the season 4+ episodes that may support an argument for supporting either option a or b. All one would have to do is look for it!
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