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Post by charmedfan4evr on Jan 14, 2008 1:47:21 GMT -5
Well Grams at the end when it was time for the girls traveled back to the future said that she wanted to brew a forgetting potion for herself. That's certainly an important point I missed. Thanks for clearing that up. As for Leo I guess its hard to say although he did remember their meeting since Paige decided to play with him a little and call him 'sungod' as he introduced himself as in 1967. But I doubt any connection was made by the Charmed Again Leo. '67 Leo never saw any of the other sisters only her alone so it can be assumed that no he did not know about Paige being an extra Charmed One as '67 Leo never met the other sisters or was told that Paige was from the future. That's the possibility I would go with. He did not see any of the other sisters, so he couldn't have possibly have known that she was a CO. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Jan 15, 2008 2:31:35 GMT -5
Come on!  There wasn't time for us to see every moment of the Charmed Ones' futures unfold within a 44-minute episode. They ended the episode with Elderly Piper and Elderly Leo because Piper and Leo were the longest-lasting romantic couple on Charmed. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 15, 2008 3:56:26 GMT -5
Come on! There wasn't time for us to see every moment of the Charmed Ones' futures unfold within a 44-minute episode. They ended the episode with Elderly Piper and Elderly Leo because Piper and Leo were the longest-lasting romantic couple on Charmed. I have to agree with this and after actually seeing the whole thing they were definitely in the real future. Their real futures have to come some time you know. They can't just live it in special glimpses forever. In that sense I love the ending being what it was plus the satisfaction of seeing Leo and Piper grow old together. Thats something everyone dreams of when they get married. And they have you worried throughout the series that the elders are going to destroy their relationship. Not to mention they were on again off again without the Elders' interference. Its like quit being evil to them are they going to make it work or not? So I love that they clear that up for you. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 15, 2008 10:41:24 GMT -5
Come on! There wasn't time for us to see every moment of the Charmed Ones' futures unfold within a 44-minute episode. They ended the episode with Elderly Piper and Elderly Leo because Piper and Leo were the longest-lasting romantic couple on Charmed. I have to agree with this and after actually seeing the whole thing they were definitely in the real future. Their real futures have to come some time you know. They can't just live it in special glimpses forever. In that sense I love the ending being what it was plus the satisfaction of seeing Leo and Piper grow old together. Thats something everyone dreams of when they get married. And they have you worried throughout the series that the elders are going to destroy their relationship. Not to mention they were on again off again without the Elders' interference. Its like quit being evil to them are they going to make it work or not? So I love that they clear that up for you. That still doesn't explain how Piper and Billie survived that explosion without a single injury. No way their powers could've saved them, especially if it killed Christy, Phoebe and Paige. Paige should've been the one who survived because she should've panic-orbed. To do it for the reason you said shows why the last 3 seasons weren't Charmed, but were The Perils of Piper, a totally unrealistic fantasy show. |
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Post by charmedfan4evr on Jan 15, 2008 15:00:21 GMT -5
I have to agree with this and after actually seeing the whole thing they were definitely in the real future. Their real futures have to come some time you know. They can't just live it in special glimpses forever. Still, how do you know? You can never be so sure in Charmed. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 15, 2008 15:39:33 GMT -5
I have to agree with this and after actually seeing the whole thing they were definitely in the real future. Their real futures have to come some time you know. They can't just live it in special glimpses forever. Still, how do you know? You can never be so sure in Charmed. Amen. I still think Forever Charmed was just Piper's illusion as she died after they were exploded. Nothing else truly makes sense. Not being in the least bit hurt. Getting Leo back right away. Knowing right away that she'd be able to save Phoebe and Paige without even mourning them. Being able to use Coop's ring when she's not a cupid. Getting to see her mother and her grandmother and herself as a grandmother with Leo as a grandfather. Getting three generations to be able to use the Power of Three when only three sisters can. Getting to see her sons again and Grams doesn't throw fifty million fits because they're boys. Chris remembering everything that happened during S6 when this is *Baby* Chris grown up, a totally different Chris since Leo isn't an Elder. Being able to see the future where everyone has three kids and will live happily ever after. Her getting to have a normal life besides being a witch. Leo happy as a teacher of magical kids when he's not magical himself and every one of those kids could cast spells on him. A bunch of happy grandkids at the end. And finally that wall where everyone looks the way she would remember them at the time of the explosion, not the way they would look in the future. I had something similar happen to me when I was hit by a car and went flying--first I my life flash before my eyes and then I saw my life as I would've wanted it to be. Fortunately for me, I came to. I truly don't think Piper ever did. I'm certain Forever Charmed is what Piper was seeing as she was dying after the explosion. All of the Charmed Ones, along with Billie and Christy are dead, the manor is destroyed and Leo is frozen forever. Victor will have the fun job of trying to raise two magical kids. Lucky him. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 15, 2008 15:58:35 GMT -5
Still, how do you know? You can never be so sure in Charmed. Amen. I still think Forever Charmed was just Piper's illusion as she died after they were exploded. Nothing else truly makes sense. Not being in the least bit hurt. Getting Leo back right away. Knowing right away that she'd be able to save Phoebe and Paige without even mourning them. Being able to use Coop's ring when she's not a cupid. Getting to see her mother and her grandmother and herself as a grandmother with Leo as a grandfather. Getting three generations to be able to use the Power of Three when only three sisters can. Getting to see her sons again and Grams doesn't throw fifty million fits because they're boys. Chris remembering everything that happened during S6 when this is *Baby* Chris grown up, a totally different Chris since Leo isn't an Elder. Being able to see the future where everyone has three kids and will live happily ever after. Her getting to have a normal life besides being a witch. Leo happy as a teacher of magical kids when he's not magical himself and every one of those kids could cast spells on him. A bunch of happy grandkids at the end. And finally that wall where everyone looks the way she would remember them at the time of the explosion, not the way they would look in the future. I had something similar happen to me when I was hit by a car and went flying--first I my life flash before my eyes and then I saw my life as I would've wanted it to be. Fortunately for me, I came to. I truly don't think Piper ever did. I'm certain Forever Charmed is what Piper was seeing as she was dying after the explosion. All of the Charmed Ones, along with Billie and Christy are dead, the manor is destroyed and Leo is frozen forever. Victor will have the fun job of trying to raise two magical kids. Lucky him. Why can't it be real? Like I said they have to have futures sometime. How do you know Piper died? You guys make it seem like it can't be possible for them to ever have a real, happy future. |
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Post by ljones on Jan 15, 2008 16:33:31 GMT -5
A happy future with no problems? For three women in their late 20s and early 30s?  Now this makes more sense. |
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Post by charmedfan4evr on Jan 15, 2008 17:56:18 GMT -5
You guys make it seem like it can't be possible for them to ever have a real, happy future. Just because I don't believe the future shown in "Forever Charmed" was necessarily the real future, does not mean that I don't think it's possible for them to ever have a real, happy, future. All I am saying is that there is a chance that their future shown in "Forever Charmed", may not come true. Like I said before, the future of the CO's has always been fickle.Look at "Morality Bites", that future did not come true. You can't be 100%. |
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jan 15, 2008 18:48:14 GMT -5
You guys make it seem like it can't be possible for them to ever have a real, happy future. Just because I don't believe the future shown in "Forever Charmed" was necessarily the real future, does not mean that I don't think it's possible for them to ever have a real, happy, future. All I am saying is that there is a chance that their future shown in "Forever Charmed", may not come true. Like I said before, the future of the CO's has always been fickle.Look at "Morality Bites", that future did not come true. You can't be 100%. Agreed. FC was just a wrap up to make it all happy, but that was TOO happy. Doesn't make sense. Works for me, Es. I still get my spin off that way.  |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 15, 2008 20:51:33 GMT -5
LOL! Why did I somehow think you'd see it that way, Assassin??? Although I'll repeat-Chris is *NOT* the same as S6 Chris. Or would he be??? No Leo around, no Piper around. Nothing to prevent Wyatt from turning evil again.
Hmmm....
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Post by Assassin Witch on Jan 15, 2008 20:57:46 GMT -5
((Sorry about that, Es. too many buttons...))
Apparently I have a one track mind....
I agree that baby Chris isn't Big Chris. I think it'd be interesting to see how the boys interact with each other and with their powers with only Victor.
As for maybe Wyatt turning..I have no problem with it because I think that is interesting to play with.
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Post by whitelightertony on Jan 15, 2008 21:33:19 GMT -5
Yes, all five of them dying would have been the most likely result. But Piper and Billie managed to survive because they landed in spots where the heavy debris didn't land on them.
So was Piper's "fantasy" (the ending of "Forever Charmed") part of "The Perils of Piper," or totally separate from it?
No, your rationalization is what makes no sense. How could Piper even be fantasizing about the future if she *really* died in the explosion?
There is nothing to suggest that "Forever Charmed" was simply Piper's fantasy.
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Post by p3xsiempre on Jan 15, 2008 21:52:44 GMT -5
The idea that Forever Charmed was all Piper's imagination is an interesting option I never considered, but if that were so it wouldn't really go with the whole "good prevails" theory that tends to happen with shows. Also, beating evil was what they worked for for 8 seasons, letting them die in the end would mean they never went back to beat the triad and the world would turn. Not exactly an ending many fans would expect after all of the charmed one's hard work.
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 15, 2008 22:10:10 GMT -5
You guys make it seem like it can't be possible for them to ever have a real, happy future. Just because I don't believe the future shown in "Forever Charmed" was necessarily the real future, does not mean that I don't think it's possible for them to ever have a real, happy, future. All I am saying is that there is a chance that their future shown in "Forever Charmed", may not come true. Like I said before, the future of the CO's has always been fickle.Look at "Morality Bites", that future did not come true. You can't be 100%. I can see what you are saying and I agree but what makes you so sure that it was not the real future is my point? And Esmeralda's idea is a very interesting and creative point of view, but then why the title Forever Charmed a little too happy not to mention untrue for everyone being dead don't you think? Plus Piper was never shown dead(I did not actually see the ep but I saw a beautiful music video on Youtube featuring a clip of Piper digging through the debris, finding and holding a dead Phoebe in tears), and the camera panning in on her to go in her mind. Wouldn't it be important to show something along those lines if that was the angle? Yes this is a good point. Charmed has always had the theme of Good being stronger than evil and always prevailing. And since my psychic powers tell me that people will say it; I know that may not be true in real life, but this is a TV show, and they seemed to have revolved it around that theme. So Esmeralda's idea as creative as it is against that theme. You are a great friend to me Esmeralda and I love your ideas but I have to respectfully disagree with this one as I don't see it making sense. Last thing I would like to point out; as for people saying that it was too happy that may be true, but Its a TV show. TV shows and movies almost always have unrealistic happy endings. |
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Post by ljones on Jan 15, 2008 23:24:25 GMT -5
Good old CHARMED! Always taking the fantasy one step too far.
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 16, 2008 2:45:16 GMT -5
Maybe but its TV! Of course its pure fiction and fantasy, its Witches and Magic and showing the existence of sandmen and muses and things we tell stories about all the time but are not real.
So I totally mean no offense but all those saying that the Forever Charmed ending is too happy and too unbelievable I think are taking this just a little too seriously. Its television, its meant to end unrealistically happy because its not real. Thats what Television tends to do.
I am totally not saying that I am against realistic endings. Its always a pleasant surprise for me when an ending to a movie is realistic but I don't mind the 'happily ever after endings either' just as long as its not too fairy tale-ish for example Piper and Leo falling in love the second they looked at each other and getting married the next day. That kind of thing I would surely spit at. But other than that I can go with the flow. Its television, its meant to BS real life at least to a certain level.
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Post by demrahc on Jan 16, 2008 2:48:20 GMT -5
Last thing I would like to point out; as for people saying that it was too happy that may be true, but Its a TV show. TV shows and movies almost always have unrealistic happy endings. I agree. For all of its flaws and inconsistencies, I cried like a baby as the elderly Leo and Piper walked up the stairs together. I have plenty of realistic unhappy endings in my own life. I was quite content to squint my eyes as I looked through rose colored glasses in the final episode. |
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Post by spiritsas on Jan 16, 2008 17:14:19 GMT -5
Last thing I would like to point out; as for people saying that it was too happy that may be true, but Its a TV show. TV shows and movies almost always have unrealistic happy endings. I agree. For all of its flaws and inconsistencies, I cried like a baby as the elderly Leo and Piper walked up the stairs together. I have plenty of realistic unhappy endings in my own life. I was quite content to squint my eyes as I looked through rose colored glasses in the final episode. Good points in both posts. We have to remember, from time to time, that this is just all make believe TV. They have no powers, they're on constructed sets, not in a house, and they're actors. Yes, actors we really like, in a show we are entertained by (for a variety of reasons), but not real. So, the happy ending was Brad Kern's thank you to all the fans (he's said so himself in interviews) so the show could end on a high note and not the way it almost did at the end of season 7. |
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Post by colehellsangel on Jan 16, 2008 17:48:28 GMT -5
I agree. For all of its flaws and inconsistencies, I cried like a baby as the elderly Leo and Piper walked up the stairs together. I have plenty of realistic unhappy endings in my own life. I was quite content to squint my eyes as I looked through rose colored glasses in the final episode. Good points in both posts. We have to remember, from time to time, that this is just all make believe TV. They have no powers, they're on constructed sets, not in a house, and they're actors. Yes, actors we really like, in a show we are entertained by (for a variety of reasons), but not real. So, the happy ending was Brad Kern's thank you to all the fans (he's said so himself in interviews) so the show could end on a high note and not the way it almost did at the end of season 7. Yes that makes perfect sense. It would not be very pleasant for a very loved series to end horribly with the heroes' deaths. Although its a very interesting twist to consider it would lose the show a lot of its popularity and Kern a lot of hate mail probably. Plus as stated above TV show endings are supposed to be a pleasant bid goodbye and thank you for staying with us until the end. Once again to be clear I would never attack anyone I love Esmeralda's creative idea but it does not make sense to me and I respectfully disagree. |
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