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Post by Assassin Witch on Dec 30, 2009 23:34:33 GMT -5
Great job on finding that, Es.
I love Holly. So much.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 31, 2009 4:50:04 GMT -5
Great job on finding that, Es.  Thanks Me, too. No matter what I think of what happened to Piper (and I blame Kern for that, not Holly), of the five actresses who have played a Charmed One, she's the one I love the most. I will always find it hilarious that Holly's the one who ended up becoming the star of the last 5 seasons of Charmed, not Alyssa, even if it sounds like Alyssa thinks otherwise. Alyssa succeeded in getting all of her endorsements--she's the one we see on the commercials (which is probably what deep down inside, PhoeME would want much more than finding love and getting kids--I still think she ended up getting divorced more than Grams, which, sorry, Alyssa, but is what I still think will happen to you)--but I think Holly came out of Charmed the best--she found a husband there and now has her three sons and sounds like she's very happy as a mother and wife, which despite what I like to write (it's too easy to give Piper a bad time), is probably exactly what Piper would truly want--a normal life! And Shannen? Just like Prue--gone, but most certainly not forgotten. |
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Post by crystalmist on Jan 1, 2010 4:27:51 GMT -5
Thank you for the interview article!
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 1, 2010 12:48:54 GMT -5
You're welcome. Welcome to the site! |
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Post by Quadquetra on Jan 9, 2010 15:46:07 GMT -5
Yeah Hollys great And just from reading that I can tell she was probably pissed off, and in Charmed Again i saw in her extras interview she said that crying at Prue's funeral was her taking in Shannen leaving and she said it was a situation that would be an advantage but at the cost of Shannen and that's something shes still not over...well ill let her tell it haha |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 10, 2010 10:59:14 GMT -5
Thank you so much for that, Quadquetra--it just makes me love Holly all the more.
And, maybe, just maybe, I feel better about Kern--just not as an executive producer under the gun to save a network--which, of course, he didn't.
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Post by ljones on Jan 11, 2010 14:15:01 GMT -5
Frankly, neither actress or Rose McGowan struck me as being "the star" of the series during the post-S3 period. The star always seemed to be the actor who was playing an interesting character during a certain season.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 11, 2010 20:14:40 GMT -5
Frankly, neither actress or Rose McGowan struck me as being "the star" of the series during the post-S3 period. The star always seemed to be the actor who was playing an interesting character during a certain season. And that was Holly. S4 was all three, but S5 through S8 was all about Piper and her family. Paige and Phoebe were just as much co-stars as was Darryl. It was THE PERILS OF POOR, POOR, PITIFUL PIPER, STARRING HOLLY MARIE COMBS AND BRIAN KRAUSE, co-starring Alyssa Milano and Rose McGowan. Their plotlines were just sub-plots; Holly's was the main plot. And from these interviews with what Holly wanted and got and what Alyssa wanted and got, I find that--Holly being the star--hilarious. |
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Post by The Original P3 on Jan 14, 2010 11:30:49 GMT -5
And that was Holly. S4 was all three, but S5 through S8 was all about Piper and her family. Paige and Phoebe were just as much co-stars as was Darryl. It was THE PERILS OF POOR, POOR, PITIFUL PIPER, STARRING HOLLY MARIE COMBS AND BRIAN KRAUSE, co-starring Alyssa Milano and Rose McGowan. Their plotlines were just sub-plots; Holly's was the main plot. And from these interviews with what Holly wanted and got and what Alyssa wanted and got, I find that--Holly being the star--hilarious. I disagree. Season 4 was not all three. Not even close. It was the Phoebe/Cole season plain and simple. As much as I'm not a fan of Paige, that should have been the season most focused on her. We had 3 previous seasons to get to know Prue, Piper and Phoebe. Paige deserved more exposure than her one episode of "Paige from the Past". As for Piper being the main focus, well that's your opinion. I would say 5 was definitely more focused on her, but I can't even begin to complain about that because 1-4 never did. 1-3 was evenly distributed but each sister did have a dominant love interest situation in those three seasons. However, it was hardly the dominant overall storyline. Then season 4 became the Alyssa Milano show which can pretty much be justified by the order of the credits after Shannen left. 1-3 it was done in age order of the sisters. 4-8 made no sense to have the "middle sister" then youngest, then oldest. 6 focused more on Chris and Leo. Just because they happened to be related to Piper I wouldn't say that it was her season. Holly was featured in this season the least due to her real life pregnancy. Seasons 7 and 8 are just too big of a cluster to really explain away honestly. It was the Paige from hell, Phoebe still trying to get knocked up and hooking up with every guy she could find within arms length and Leo dealing with the aftermath of killing a fellow Elder. Piper was the only one in the family at the time who hadn't completely lost her mind. Oh and Billie was the focus of season 8. Pretty much all I remember though since I saw season 8 approximately one time and I never plan on seeing it again. And even if more focus fell on Piper at times than others (which I don't believe but I'm humoring you), those who didn't tune in regularly would never have caught on to that. Every promo ended up being about Phoebe or Alyssa or Phoebe or Alyssa. They'd throw in a Rose picture every now and then. So while you call the latter half of the series the Piper-centric seasons, I'd call them "Phoebe's Quest to Find her Sperm Donar While Using Her Powers for Personal Gain in the Process". |
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 14, 2010 12:02:30 GMT -5
You misunderstood me, TOP3. No way I'd count S4 as part of "The Perils of Poor, Poor, Pitiful Piper"--that's the last season of "Charmed".
ETA: Actually I could count the first half of S5 as "Charmed"--once Cole is vanquished, then everything is just setting up "Oh, My Goddess!", which is *DEFINITELY* part of "The Perils of Poor, Poor, Pitiful Piper" and no longer "Charmed", when Paige's and Phoebe's storylines are just sub-plots and the main one is all about Piper and her family and her sisters--they're there more for humor and to help out Piper, not actually stars themselves--the stars are Holly and Brian, even when Brian is missing during S8.
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Post by ljones on Jan 14, 2010 18:52:35 GMT -5
The first half of Season 4 mainly focused upon Paige. Once Cole ended up possessed by the Source, it mainly focused upon Cole, Phoebe AND Paige. Although most fans won't admit it, Paige played a strong role in the Cole/the Source storyline.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 15, 2010 10:47:47 GMT -5
Yep, she did, as she did during the first half of S5, which is why I still count them as part of "Charmed" -- you could honestly say that all three sisters are still starring, the way the first set did during the first three seasons. Yes, Shannen hogged more than her share of the scenes, but I never felt that the other two were just co-stars helping her out along the line of Darryl as I did about Phoebe and Paige from "Oh, My Goddess!" and onward. Julian came very close to being as much of a star during S3-early S5, the way Brian did during S2-3, but not the way Holly, Brian (and Fuller during S6) did from "Oh, My Goddess!" onward.
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Post by ljones on Jan 17, 2010 6:58:24 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the second half of Season 5 to early Season 8 became the Piper and Leo Show (with Chris and Wyatt thrown in). The rest of Season 8 became the Jenkins Sisters Show.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 17, 2010 13:08:16 GMT -5
Unfortunately, the second half of Season 5 to early Season 8 became the Piper and Leo Show (with Chris and Wyatt thrown in). The rest of Season 8 became the Jenkins Sisters Show. *nods* I can't disagree with that, although I still think that even with Leo frozen, all of S8 was still part of "The Perils of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper". The fact that if you count "Forever Charmed" as real (which, of course, I don't), Piper got everything she wanted at the end (Leo happy to be her little errand boy and him having a job where the kids would walk all over him just to show off her grandson and her getting her restaurant and her kids--including a daughter who she never even mentioned in her entry--and grandkids) and we have no idea what happened to Phoebe (who could've died during the birth of her third child for all that ending cared) and Paige (who we know had her kids but don't know what happened after her son was about 10) shows that that was the perfect ending of "The Perils of Poor, Poor, Pitiful Piper", not "The Jenkins Show" (had it been that, the Halliwells would've given up their powers and let the Jenkinses take over the job of being Charmed) and definitely not Charmed. Especially with Holly pregnant, they *so* should've come up with a different ending. |
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Post by CharmedFaith on Jan 17, 2010 15:58:04 GMT -5
If anything they shouldnt have had Piper get knocked up a 2nd time until the end of the show.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 17, 2010 17:45:53 GMT -5
If anything they shouldnt have had Piper get knocked up a 2nd time until the end of the show. Oh, don't I wish! No Chris!!!! |
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Post by gemma1988 on Jun 17, 2010 14:27:28 GMT -5
Shannen Left Charmed Due To The Fact That She Had A Hard Time Getting Along With Some Of The Cast, Especially Alyssa Milano. It Is Also Said She Wanted To Get Off The Show 6 Months Before She Got Killed In The Series.
Shannen left because of conflict with Alyssa Milano.
It is not known for definate if she left the show for that reason, although they did often argue. She also says she didnt like the story lines or Brad Kern, the arguing with Alyssa Milano is just the reason everyone thinks is why she left.
it's also said that she wasn't getting paid enough
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 17, 2010 15:05:54 GMT -5
Shannen Left Charmed Due To The Fact That She Had A Hard Time Getting Along With Some Of The Cast, Especially Alyssa Milano. It Is Also Said She Wanted To Get Off The Show 6 Months Before She Got Killed In The Series. Shannen left because of conflict with Alyssa Milano. It is not known for definate if she left the show for that reason, although they did often argue. She also says she didnt like the story lines or Brad Kern, the arguing with Alyssa Milano is just the reason everyone thinks is why she left. Check out this post. It does a better job of explaining what happened and was posted on the previous page of this thread: At a different site, I *finally* found something I've been looking for for a long time--the entire TV Guide interview that came out between S3 and S4 re: Shannen leaving the show, the one that includes the quote that Charmed Faith has on his signature. Here it is: AS ALYSSA MILANO AND HOLLY MARIE COMBS FINALLY COME CLEAN ABOUT SHANNEN DOHERTY, THE QUESTION REMAINS: CAN A RECONJURED CHARMED STILL WORK MAGIC?
Shannen Doherty may be long gone, but she hasn't been exorcised.
It's mid July, two months after the 30-year-old actress abruptly announced her departure from WB's Charmed, yet a giant poster featuring her still hangs in executive producer Brad Kern's office. The wayward with stands front and center between her original costars on the sisters-in-sorcery hit, Holly Marie Combs and Lori Rom. Rom, now on Sci Fi Channel's The Chronicle, was cast as youngest sib Phoebe in the pilot before producer Aaron Spelling replaced her—poof!—with his Melrose Place tenant Alyssa Milano. It's a striking image, impossible to miss, and Milano takes note of it the moment she arrives.
“Maybe witch No. 5 will be our lucky charm,” she jokes, referring to Rose McGowan, 25, Doherty's replacement of sorts, who joins the comely coven this fall (Thursdays, 9 P.M. ET) as spirited half sister Paige. Milano settles onto a black leather couch and tries to keep the mood as bright as the lemon-colored lace-up top she's paired with snug low-rise jeans.
“You know, I have a dentist appointment this afternoon,” she says. “I really wouldn't mind missing it, so feel free to keep me here as long as you'd like.” But one look at the way Milano, 28, is perched tensely on the edge of her seat, drinking coffee from a jumbo mug, and you'd think she'd rather have a root canal than enduring an interview.
And not without reason: When Doherty left her Charmed role as eldest sister Prue last spring after three seasons, it was amid rumors of a bitter rivalry with Milano, something Doherty has not denied. The tabloid magnet's hasty exit seemed like déjà vu—after all, it was the second time in a decade she had bid adieu to a Spelling show after reports of friction with costars. (The first was in 1994, when she left Beverly Hills, 90210.) Her departure has left the future success of Charmed—which returns with a two-hour premiere September 27—in question at a time when WB is counting on it to continue enchanting viewers now that crown jewel Buffy the Vampire Slayer has pulled up stakes and moved to rival UPN.
Charmed hardly seemed jinxed when it debuted in the fall of 1998. The publicity surrounding Doherty's reunion with former boss Spelling helped the supernatural soap conjure up the highest-rated series debut in WB's history, while its modern mix of glamour and girl power warded off Dawson's Creek and Buffy, making it the network's second most popular show (after 7th Heaven, also produced by Spelling).
By all accounts, things were down right sisterly off-screen as well. “This is the best job I've ever had because we bonded immediately,” Milano gushed about her costars in a February 1999 interview. “We have so much in common.” For one, all three had grown up bewitching audiences on TV: Doherty on the short-lived spin-off Little House: A New Beginning, then on 90210; Milano on the hit comedy Who's the Boss?; and Combs on David E. Kelly's quirky Picket Fences. When Milano married rocker Cinjun Tate in January 1999, Doherty and Combs even served as bridesmaids. (Milano and Tate have since split.)
“We were very close for the first couple of years,” says Combs, 27, who plays middle sister Piper. “It's not like we just worked together and went home.”
But trouble was undeniably brewing between Doherty and Milano by the time production started on the third season last summer. The fawning quotes to the press had stopped, as had the costars' time together away from the set. As Milano puts it, “I wasn't going to call [Shannen] on the weekend to go hang out.”
Rumors quickly swirled that Doherty was resentful of Milano's growing popularity, which translated into several endorsement deals, including one with MCI. But those close to the situation claim it was more complicated than that. “There were no angels,” Combs says. “We all had our bad days. We all [got] stressed out.”
That's hardly surprising, says executive producer Kern. “People on a TV set work together 12 to 14 hours a day, five days a week. Rarely have I seen cast members stay or even become best friends.”
Adding to the friction, says Combs, was the stars' growing frustration with the show's direction. “We were in rut, where we felt like we were doing the same episodes over and over again,” she says.
Doherty, in particular, “wanted to make the show bigger and better and stretch her boundaries,” says Combs, who has been friends with the actress for eight years, and still speaks frequently with her. “I'd see her in the morning and she'd be like, 'OK, how are we going to fix this scene?' She was really dedicated and she didn't have a lot of patience for anyone [she felt] wasn't.”
Whatever broke the spell, “we definitely didn't get along,” admits Milano. “Shannen and I are very different people, and I think it's almost like a roommate. If you spend that much time with someone and there are differences anyway, you're not always going to get along.”
Both Milano and Combs deny tabloid reports that Doherty would only speak to them when the cameras were rolling. But Milano acknowledges that she and her former costar could get downright witchy: “There were times when I'd come in and say, 'Good morning, Shannen,' and she didn't say anything to me. And there were times when she'd come in and say, 'Good morning, Alyssa,' and I wouldn't say anything to her.”
In an attempt to defuse the situation, Paramount, the studio that produces Charmed, eventually sent a mediator to the set, something Combs said made things worse. “First of all, it was none of his business,” she says. “And we certainly didn't want him reporting our girlie problems back to Paramount.”
“The problems we had weren't things some big company mediator could fix,” Combs adds quietly. “They needed to be fixed between us [by] going into [each other's] trailers and saying, 'All right, I don't like it when you do this.' Or, 'I didn't like it when you said this.'“
That apparently never happened. Doherty has contended that Milano eventually got fed up and issued producers an ultimatum—either Doherty walked or she would—but Milano insists that it isn't true. “I never even thought about doing that,” she says. “I couldn't sleep knowing I backed out of something I'd committed to.”
Instead, according to several sources, it was Doherty who approached Paramount executives last December and asked to be released from her contract. “[She] was like, 'This is getting too problematic. Just let me go,' “ says Combs. “She didn't want to be the bad ogress again. She wanted to exit gracefully.”
But the studio wouldn't have it. Continues Combs: “They stamped their feet and said, 'No, you cannot leave. We will sue you,'“ (Both Paramount and Spelling declined to comment.)
Doherty's eventual dismissal, then, came as a surprise. And the form Combs says it took—a phone call to Doherty's lawyer after the embattled actress had flown to Winnipeg, Canada, to start shooting Another Day, USA's upcoming Francis Ford Coppola TV-movie—still clearly angers her. “How do you go from directing the season finale to being [given] a pink slip over the phone, when [you're] in another country, at eight at night?” Combs says. “It was really a tacky way to go about it.”
“I'm sure I'm going to get many phone calls about this,” she adds, “but you know what? I don't care. [The producers] know I was not happy with how it was handled. You just don't do that to a person, [especially] a person who has basically created two hit shows for you.”
While no one's officially saying why Doherty was ultimately cut loose, a series insider says, “It eventually became clear that [either Doherty or Milano] had to go.” And Doherty may have been the safer choice, according to Stacey Lynn Koerner, an industry analyst with Initiative Media: “Alyssa is just as popular, if not more so, than Shannen. And when Shannen left 90210, the series did just fine.”
Whether Charmed can still work its magic without Doherty remains to be seen. But WB and Kern are putting on a brave face. “If we'd lost two girls, then I'd be nervous,” he says. “But nobody would've been OK with making the change if they were [worried]. That's why I keep that poster [with the pilot's original threesome]. I believe the show has become bigger than any one of us.”
Adds WB entertainment president Jordan Levin: “We've got two really great stars in Alyssa and Holly. Adding Rose to the cast brings a whole new dynamic that's edgy and compelling.” McGowan pops up in the season premiere, which includes a funeral for Doherty's Prue, who was left for dead after battling a demon in last spring's finale. Another plot twist: Julian McMahon, who plays Milano's baddie boyfriend Cole, has recently begun dating Doherty. But he shrugs off any awkwardness with Milano: “To be honest, I'm usually pretty oblivious to that stuff.”
Milano, too, claims she's put her issues with Doherty to rest. “I have a lot of respect for her,” says Milano of her former costar, with whom she has not spoken since their last day on the set. “I think she's incredibly smart and talented, and I wish her happiness, love, success.”
But closure hasn't come as easily to Combs. While she says she still has a good relationship with Milano, she felt “a definite sense of loss” when she returned to the set in July. “In a way,” Combs says, “I have to treat this as a brand-new job, a totally different show I'm doing, because if I [don't], it's going to be a really hard year.” Since that's never mentioned in the above article, that obviously had nothing to do with it. |
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Post by gemma1988 on Jun 17, 2010 15:44:27 GMT -5
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 19, 2010 9:26:26 GMT -5
Yup, it verified everything that I posted above, not what you said above - that it was Shannen not believing that Alyssa was serious about her acting and that the show was in a rut. No need to watch.
A lot of what Shannen said during that time period was due to the fact that she just wanted to get that part of her life over. Shannen has always believed in keeping what happens on the set *on* the set. It's why she would never come out and say she was fired rather than just leaving.
We're lucky that Holly believes otherwise. The fact that Holly wasn't part of this shows that this happened after Holly was told that she would be sued if she didn't shut up about how Shannen was handled, because she didn't say anything until after the show was over.
The fact that everything said from the other two was through their publicist tells you how little you can trust what was said - that was nothing but spin. Holly was still obviously furious but couldn't say anything because she was under contract, the same way Shannen couldn't and wouldn't have left had she not been fired.
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