what happened to prue???

[The Original P3]

Sept 7, 2009 14:47:49 GMT -5 miguel said:

And believe me, I imagined some crazy things and had all sorts of ideas about what happened that weren't true. So I understand.

I understand you, but in my case, I know what I saw, and soon or later I will find 2nd part of All Hell breaks Loose!

Ok seriously, Patrick and miquel, there's a whole other section on this board for what you're referring to. It's called FAN FICTION. Don't go confusing people about storylines that don't exist and episodes that were never made.

Ok. Im just asked if anyone have this episode!

I will keep looking for it, cause I now what I saw, in that time I was 20 years old (i lived in America; now in Serbia ), so I wasnt kid, and I remember perfectly that episode.

Thanks anyway...

Marko, Serbia.

Ever wonder why you seem to be the only person to have ever seen this mysterious episode? Because it DOES NOT EXIST. I saw the episode when it first aired and I remember my reaction EXACTLY because I wanted to throw things at my TV for them ending the episode with Shax blowing them through the wall and the doors slamming and that was it. Any other "mental pictures" you have otherwise are exactly that..MENTAL PICTURES. But if you want to keep searching, go for it. And I'll notify you when I find the Fountain of Youth and we can compare stories from our journeys.

[miguel]

Ever wonder why you seem to be the only person to have ever seen this mysterious episode?

Only one? Maybe here, but check on You Tube comments (but please check the commens from people 25+) who saw this episode, than on IMPB comments, I know that women have "problem"# with eddited "to be continued" on her box set, so I am not the only one.

Yes, there is many kids who tallking ****** about never aired episode, but thats ****. I now what I saw, and there is too many people who saw it too.

And it doesnt matter- i just asked for this, if some day I find this lost episode, I will notify you.

And please, respect persons olders than you; mental pictures is ****!

Thanks... and again ( ) sorry for my english.

[The Original P3]

There was no TBC or anything. And YT comments? Please. I'm on YT all the time. I know what kind of idiots post and ask dumb questions on there. They are hardly a source of accuracy. Same with IMDB. It's all gossip and wishful thinking. Something we've tried very hard to put a stop to on this board so I don't appreciate people coming on here with claims of a second part or scenes that don't exist. We deal in Charmed canon, as in, stuff that ACTUALLY HAPPENED. Like I said, fanfiction is always looking for new authors.

And respect people older than me? Sure thing. I'll also respect people younger than me with valid information. What I don't respect are false statements that are made to misguide individuals and get people's hopes up.

And since it seems you just joined this board to make these false statements, you're getting incredibly close to troll behavior.

[Assassin Witch]

All right, let's drop the topic.

Miguel has been banned. And Patrick, the episode does not exist. People write about it in fan fics and your imagination can piece together what happens. That's it.

Sometimes people like to come around and stir up trouble and they love it when they bait us and we respond. So the problem has been dealt with.

Take a deep breath and let's move on.

Enjoy.

[Esmeralda]

I've often wondered why Leo was able to heal Prue the first time and not after time was reset. I found my answer at a different site and decide to post it here. The question was about why Piper blamed Leo for Prue's death if Leo was able to heal her the first time:

Piper 's anger over Leo is nothing more than survival guilt and blame shifting. Leo was simply too late. Prue's injuries were too severe (look at the episode carefully: she goes through an entire wall). Piper was not hurt as much as Prue (she goes through a half-wrecked and already unstable wall). Piper hadn't succumbed yet but Prue had. The first time though Leo was called instantly by Phoebe and healed them both.

That makes plenty of sense to me.

[dylan345]

In a way, it's Cole's fault. At the end of the episode, when Phoebe asks Cole if they will be affected by the time change, he says no. She then tells him to warn her sisters of Shax's soon-to-come attack, I assume because she knows she won't be there to call Leo this time to heal them. He never told them.

[ljones]

Nov 17, 2009 10:56:11 GMT -5 dylan345 said:

In a way, it's Cole's fault. At the end of the episode, when Phoebe asks Cole if they will be affected by the time change, he says no. She then tells him to warn her sisters of Shax's soon-to-come attack, I assume because she knows she won't be there to call Leo this time to heal them. He never told them.

He never told them, because he wasn't able to. The Source had ordered one of his guards to detain Cole and kill Phoebe in "All Hell Breaks Loose". It was revealed in "Charmed Again, Part 1" that Leo had to help Cole save Phoebe and get her out of the Source's Realm. By the time he got to Prue, it was too late for her.

[dylan345]

Oh, okay. Thanks.

[The Original P3]

Nov 17, 2009 9:38:02 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

I've often wondered why Leo was able to heal Prue the first time and not after time was reset. I found my answer at a different site and decide to post it here. The question was about why Piper blamed Leo for Prue's death if Leo was able to heal her the first time:

Piper 's anger over Leo is nothing more than survival guilt and blame shifting. Leo was simply too late. Prue's injuries were too severe (look at the episode carefully: she goes through an entire wall). Piper was not hurt as much as Prue (she goes through a half-wrecked and already unstable wall). Piper hadn't succumbed yet but Prue had. The first time though Leo was called instantly by Phoebe and healed them both.

That makes plenty of sense to me.

That is what I have been saying since Day 1.

[Esmeralda]

Oops! If you said so and I missed it, then I apologize, because this is the first time I'd read something like that. I'll admit I haven't read this whole entire thread.

[CharmedFaith]

There has always been lil speculation that Leo healed Piper first since he just saw her dead and knew what was going to happen. Instead of doing what he did the first time around healing them both at the same time.

[Esmeralda]

Until I read what The Original P3 wrote, that's what I always thought, too, which would explain why Piper was upset thinking that he'd chosen her because she was his wife.

But even seeing what had happened to Piper, I can't believe that Leo wouldn't think of both charges, especially when he knew what had happened and knew that he could and had healed both at the same time the first time.

That's why what The Original P3 wrote makes much more sense.

[The Original P3]

Nov 18, 2009 23:40:23 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

Oops! If you said so and I missed it, then I apologize, because this is the first time I'd read something like that. I'll admit I haven't read this whole entire thread.

Not just in this thread (though I am sure it's in here somewhere), but I've been saying that since Charmed Again aired. He puts his hands over both sisters to heal them together, just like last timing KNOWING that they were both near death when he got there the first time around. Leo may have been Piper's husband, but he was also Prue's brother-in-law and her whitelighter as well. He would never have risked Prue's life simply to save his wife when he knew full well he could heal them both. As he's healing them, Piper starts to stir but Prue doesn't. After he finishes healing Piper and she comes to, he probably focuses his full attention on Prue, which is what Piper sees when she wakes up, assuming he had healed her first and cost Prue her life by not getting there in time.

Also, I would like to say to those who think Leo would have healed Piper first because she's his wife, that's all well and good, but back in season 3 it was actually a big deal in order to be able to remain neutral and TCO's guardian. Had he "sacrificed" Prue to save Piper because she was his wife, the Elders would have known this and taken action by either clipping his wings or re-assigning Leo and taking him away from Piper for good.

Piper lashing out at Leo in Charmed Again was the only way she knew how to deal with what was happening. She needed someone to blame. It's going to fall back onto the demon who did it of course. But Leo was a part of the event and right in front of her at the time. I also believe that Piper would not have, in good conscious, stayed with someone who would sacrifice her sister's lives in order to save her own. If Piper TRULY believed that was what happened, I think that event would have created a big enough rift between Piper and Leo to at least split them up and the guilt would also eat away at Leo knowing he sacrificed one for the other when he could clearly heal them both at the same time.

[Esmeralda]

And all I can say to all of that is "Amen"!

[ljones]

Nov 21, 2009 16:23:04 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

And all I can say to all of that is "Amen"!

I'll second that.

[Esmeralda]

WOW! Both ljones and I like the same reply? For sure you've got yourself a winner, TOP3! Congrats!

[The Original P3]

Nov 22, 2009 11:24:37 GMT -5 Esmeralda said:

WOW! Both ljones and I like the same reply? For sure you've got yourself a winner, TOP3! Congrats!

Oh dear..could this be one of those signs of the apocalypse?

[CharmedFaith]

With Oprah annoucning the end of her show..and 2012 about 2yrs away....I would say YES

[Esmeralda]

Definitely!

[Esmeralda]

At a different site, I *finally* found something I've been looking for for a long time--the entire TV Guide interview that came out between S3 and S4 re: Shannen leaving the show, the one that includes the quote that Charmed Faith has on his signature.

Here it is:

AS ALYSSA MILANO AND HOLLY MARIE COMBS FINALLY COME CLEAN ABOUT SHANNEN DOHERTY, THE QUESTION REMAINS: CAN A RECONJURED CHARMED STILL WORK MAGIC?

Shannen Doherty may be long gone, but she hasn't been exorcised.

It's mid July, two months after the 30-year-old actress abruptly announced her departure from WB's Charmed, yet a giant poster featuring her still hangs in executive producer Brad Kern's office. The wayward with stands front and center between her original costars on the sisters-in-sorcery hit, Holly Marie Combs and Lori Rom. Rom, now on Sci Fi Channel's The Chronicle, was cast as youngest sib Phoebe in the pilot before producer Aaron Spelling replaced her—poof!—with his Melrose Place tenant Alyssa Milano. It's a striking image, impossible to miss, and Milano takes note of it the moment she arrives.

"Maybe witch No. 5 will be our lucky charm," she jokes, referring to Rose McGowan, 25, Doherty's replacement of sorts, who joins the comely coven this fall (Thursdays, 9 P.M. ET) as spirited half sister Paige. Milano settles onto a black leather couch and tries to keep the mood as bright as the lemon-colored lace-up top she's paired with snug low-rise jeans.

"You know, I have a dentist appointment this afternoon," she says. "I really wouldn't mind missing it, so feel free to keep me here as long as you'd like." But one look at the way Milano, 28, is perched tensely on the edge of her seat, drinking coffee from a jumbo mug, and you'd think she'd rather have a root canal than enduring an interview.

And not without reason: When Doherty left her Charmed role as eldest sister Prue last spring after three seasons, it was amid rumors of a bitter rivalry with Milano, something Doherty has not denied. The tabloid magnet's hasty exit seemed like déjà vu—after all, it was the second time in a decade she had bid adieu to a Spelling show after reports of friction with costars. (The first was in 1994, when she left Beverly Hills, 90210.) Her departure has left the future success of Charmed—which returns with a two-hour premiere September 27—in question at a time when WB is counting on it to continue enchanting viewers now that crown jewel Buffy the Vampire Slayer has pulled up stakes and moved to rival UPN.

Charmed hardly seemed jinxed when it debuted in the fall of 1998. The publicity surrounding Doherty's reunion with former boss Spelling helped the supernatural soap conjure up the highest-rated series debut in WB's history, while its modern mix of glamour and girl power warded off Dawson's Creek and Buffy, making it the network's second most popular show (after 7th Heaven, also produced by Spelling).

By all accounts, things were down right sisterly off-screen as well. "This is the best job I've ever had because we bonded immediately," Milano gushed about her costars in a February 1999 interview. "We have so much in common." For one, all three had grown up bewitching audiences on TV: Doherty on the short-lived spin-off Little House: A New Beginning, then on 90210; Milano on the hit comedy Who's the Boss?; and Combs on David E. Kelly's quirky Picket Fences. When Milano married rocker Cinjun Tate in January 1999, Doherty and Combs even served as bridesmaids. (Milano and Tate have since split.)

"We were very close for the first couple of years," says Combs, 27, who plays middle sister Piper. "It's not like we just worked together and went home."

But trouble was undeniably brewing between Doherty and Milano by the time production started on the third season last summer. The fawning quotes to the press had stopped, as had the costars' time together away from the set. As Milano puts it, "I wasn't going to call [Shannen] on the weekend to go hang out."

Rumors quickly swirled that Doherty was resentful of Milano's growing popularity, which translated into several endorsement deals, including one with MCI. But those close to the situation claim it was more complicated than that. "There were no angels," Combs says. "We all had our bad days. We all [got] stressed out."

That's hardly surprising, says executive producer Kern. "People on a TV set work together 12 to 14 hours a day, five days a week. Rarely have I seen cast members stay or even become best friends."

Adding to the friction, says Combs, was the stars' growing frustration with the show's direction. "We were in rut, where we felt like we were doing the same episodes over and over again," she says.

Doherty, in particular, "wanted to make the show bigger and better and stretch her boundaries," says Combs, who has been friends with the actress for eight years, and still speaks frequently with her. "I'd see her in the morning and she'd be like, 'OK, how are we going to fix this scene?' She was really dedicated and she didn't have a lot of patience for anyone [she felt] wasn't."

Whatever broke the spell, "we definitely didn't get along," admits Milano. "Shannen and I are very different people, and I think it's almost like a roommate. If you spend that much time with someone and there are differences anyway, you're not always going to get along."

Both Milano and Combs deny tabloid reports that Doherty would only speak to them when the cameras were rolling. But Milano acknowledges that she and her former costar could get downright witchy: "There were times when I'd come in and say, 'Good morning, Shannen,' and she didn't say anything to me. And there were times when she'd come in and say, 'Good morning, Alyssa,' and I wouldn't say anything to her."

In an attempt to defuse the situation, Paramount, the studio that produces Charmed, eventually sent a mediator to the set, something Combs said made things worse. "First of all, it was none of his business," she says. "And we certainly didn't want him reporting our girlie problems back to Paramount."

"The problems we had weren't things some big company mediator could fix," Combs adds quietly. "They needed to be fixed between us [by] going into [each other's] trailers and saying, 'All right, I don't like it when you do this.' Or, 'I didn't like it when you said this.'"

That apparently never happened. Doherty has contended that Milano eventually got fed up and issued producers an ultimatum—either Doherty walked or she would—but Milano insists that it isn't true. "I never even thought about doing that," she says. "I couldn't sleep knowing I backed out of something I'd committed to."

Instead, according to several sources, it was Doherty who approached Paramount executives last December and asked to be released from her contract. "[She] was like, 'This is getting too problematic. Just let me go,'" says Combs. "She didn't want to be the bad ogress again. She wanted to exit gracefully."

But the studio wouldn't have it. Continues Combs: "They stamped their feet and said, 'No, you cannot leave. We will sue you,'" (Both Paramount and Spelling declined to comment.)

Doherty's eventual dismissal, then, came as a surprise. And the form Combs says it took—a phone call to Doherty's lawyer after the embattled actress had flown to Winnipeg, Canada, to start shooting Another Day, USA's upcoming Francis Ford Coppola TV-movie—still clearly angers her. "How do you go from directing the season finale to being [given] a pink slip over the phone, when [you're] in another country, at eight at night?" Combs says. "It was really a tacky way to go about it."

"I'm sure I'm going to get many phone calls about this," she adds, "but you know what? I don't care. [The producers] know I was not happy with how it was handled. You just don't do that to a person, [especially] a person who has basically created two hit shows for you."

While no one's officially saying why Doherty was ultimately cut loose, a series insider says, "It eventually became clear that [either Doherty or Milano] had to go." And Doherty may have been the safer choice, according to Stacey Lynn Koerner, an industry analyst with Initiative Media: "Alyssa is just as popular, if not more so, than Shannen. And when Shannen left 90210, the series did just fine."

Whether Charmed can still work its magic without Doherty remains to be seen. But WB and Kern are putting on a brave face. "If we'd lost two girls, then I'd be nrevous," he says. "But nobody would've been OK with making the change if they were [worried]. That's why I keep that poster [with the pilot's original threesome]. I believe the show has become bigger than any one of us."

Adds WB entertainment president Jordan Levin: "We've got two really great stars in Alyssa and Holly. Adding Rose to the cast brings a whole new dynamic that's edgy and compelling." McGowan pops up in the season premiere, which includes a funeral for Doherty's Prue, who was left for dead after battling a demon in last spring's finale. Another plot twist: Julian McMahon, who plays Milano's baddie boyfriend Cole, has recently begun dating Doherty. But he shrugs off any awkwardness with Milano: "To be honest, I'm usually pretty oblivious to that stuff."

Milano, too, claims she's put her issues with Doherty to rest. "I have a lot of respect for her," says Milano of her former costar, with whom she has not spoken since their last day on the set. "I think she's incredibly smart and talented, and I wish her happiness, love, success."

But closure hasn't come as easily to Combs. While she says she still has a good relationship with Milano, she felt "a definite sense of loss" when she returned to the set in July. "In a way," Combs says, "I have to treat this as a brand-new job, a totally different show I'm doing, because if I [don't], it's going to be a really hard year."