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Post by kilanna on Apr 24, 2008 13:37:48 GMT -5
There was lot of opinion's of way Shannon was no longer there one was because of Kern another was said that she and Alyssa were having issues...
If remeber though Prue and Piper get hit, Pheobe comes down chants the spell fending Shax off. She call's for Leo and heal's both Prue and Piper at the same time for they are right beside eachother. Later on does it call for time to be rewound but Cole, Pheobe, and Leo were in the underworld so wouldn't of effected them. The Source was going to subdue Cole and kill Pheobe but didn't take in account of Leo being there which was learned in begginning of season 4. Whitelighter's can't heal the dead so since Prue was hit first makes sense. Only reason Leo could heal Piper and Pheobe at the same time when they weren't side by side was only because he was an Avatar, and they were actually dead not seriously hurt.
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Post by spiritsas on Apr 25, 2008 11:09:07 GMT -5
There was lot of opinion's of way Shannon was no longer there one was because of Kern another was said that she and Alyssa were having issues... If you recall, Prue and Piper get hit, Phoebe comes down chants the spell fending Shax off. She calls for Leo and heals both Prue and Piper at the same time for they are right beside each other. Later on does it call for time to be rewound but Cole, Phoebe, and Leo were in the underworld so wouldn't of effected them. The Source was going to subdue Cole and kill Phoebe but didn't take in account of Leo being there which was learned in beginning of season 4. Whitelighter's can't heal the dead so since Prue was hit first makes sense. Only reason Leo could heal Piper and Phoebe at the same time when they weren't side by side was only because he was an Avatar, and they were actually dead not seriously hurt. K: If you read back through the earlier pages of this thread, if you haven't already, you'll see there has been quite a heated discussion on why Prue dies. Obviously, they used this cliffhanger as a means of explaining why she wasn't coming back. Let's separate real world facts/rumors from the show. In the real world we know Sharon Daugherty (SD) got fired during the summer while shooting a movie up in Canada (Another Day) with Julian M. (Cole). We know they were probably in the negotiation phase of their new contracts. The (then) WB was looking to sign the cast up for a five year contract (at least that's when the ones they were one ended in 2006). We also know SD had a reputation for being a party-bad girl, but was probably also growing out of that phase. We also know she had been fired previously from another Aaron Spelling show (90210) a year or two earlier. Did this affect their decision? Who knows. Rumors (real world): Yes there were rumors of back stage drama between Alyssa M and SD. Semi-confirmed by statements/interviews SD made after her departure from the show. Other rumors or theories have to do with her own salary demands and her behavior off the set (in her personal life). SD has also stated that she wanted out of her contract anyway and wanted to do something else. This may partly be due to the back stage drama going on, but only she knows for sure. What is not known (again real world): Why she was fired from the show. Only the principle players (the main cast members, producers, WB management, etc.) really know what happened and why. We also don't know who's decision it was. Meaning, was it Kern, Spelling, or the studio (the WB). Most bets are on Kern or Spelling, and this is attributed to the fact that after five years of fans clamoring for the return of Prue (even as guest ghost), Kern has noted that she never approached him and he never approached her. For the Series Finale, fans were very vocal about seeing SD make a Prue appearance. As Kern explains it, it was both a monetary and personal decision to not ask her. Monetary, in that due to the way contracts work for actors, if they had her on the show, or showed a picture of her on the wall, or past footage, they would have had to pay her the equivalent of an episode's salary and they didn't have it in the budget, as the Season 8 budget had been cut sharply (this is a well known fact as they almost didn't get a Season 8). It was personal for Kern as, and he has stated this several times, that he wanted the series finale to focus on the three sisters who have been there the last five years as opposed to adding one who was there for only three. Considering he never even asked her during the previous years, this (to me) sounds more like the "good reason" but not the "real" reason. He did not have the budget problems in Season 8 in seasons 4-7. Of course, this is just conjecture on my part (and other fans). The show: A lot of discussion is made as to why Prue died the second time Leo showed up. The main issues relate to Leo's timing, his relationship with Piper vs. Prue, and a few other odds and ends. The only thing most people agree upon is that he was delayed, the second time, getting back to them, as Phoebe wasn't there to shoo Shax away and call for him. The two main theories are this: 1) He saved Piper first because she was his wife. This theory is based almost entirely on a line Piper says to Leo (in the first episode of season 4, Charmed Again) which goes something like: "You saved me because I'm your damned wife. You should have saved Prue because she was the best." I may have that out of order but you get the idea. The theory goes that he saved them one at a time (the second time) and went with Piper first and by then Prue was dead. The second theory goes like this (and I agree with this one): 2) Leo is delayed, as stated, and by the time he arrives, Prue is dead already. This is supported by two points. One is Leo's response to Piper's line above (which, by the way, she says in anger as she is highly upset by the loss of Prue). The response is: "I can't heal the dead." The second point supporting this is that Prue took the first hit and went hard through the wall. Piper gets hit second and the hit, though a mortal wound, is not as hard, plus there was few seconds between the two hits. That aside, some point to how the blood was coming out of Prue's ears (always a bad sign of head trauma) but only out of Piper's mouth. There is also a third point, which is something I've asked about. Why would Leo, who healed them simultaneously the first time, try anything different the second time (which we don't get to see)? We know he arrives a few seconds or minutes later, after Shax whips out of the house, so I'm not quite sure why some have a hard time believing that those few moments are all that was needed for Prue to pass, but Piper just happened to linger longer? Not to make judgments, as both theories are possible explanations, but I would go with door number 2. OK. I've written way more than planned but these are the two main competing explanations as to why Prue doesn't make it. Of course, in the real world, the whole scene turns out to be coincidentally perfect for writing SD off the show. By the way, SD directed this episode and it was her fourth to date. AM and HMC had never, and never did direct a single episode of the show, if I'm not mistaken. My point being is that it certainly didn't sound like she knew her position on the show was that fragile. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Apr 25, 2008 11:11:38 GMT -5
Spirikas, Sharon Daugherty never appeared on Charmed. Shannen Doherty did.
(And, yes, I *did* mispell your screen name on purpose. I hope it bugged you as much as it bugged me when you called Shannen Sharon!)
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Post by Fourever Charmed on Apr 25, 2008 16:07:58 GMT -5
We know he arrives a few seconds or minutes later, after Shax whips out of the house, so I'm not quite sure why some have a hard time believing that those few moments are all that was needed for Prue to pass, but Piper just happened to linger longer? Not to make judgments, as both theories are possible explanations, but I would go with door number 2. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your explanations for Prue's death, but just to bring up another point about Theory #1: Leo had just seen his wife, bloody and dead in the hospital (and of course been told by Prue to "make it right,") which was the whole reason Phoebe agreed to reset time. Given Leo's emotionally charged state, I think it's entirely possible that he could've focused in on Piper, with that image of her lifeless body still fresh in his mind, and been determined not to let the reset have been for nothing, and while he focused in on Piper, and not both sisters as he'd done the first time, Prue died because of it. |
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Post by spiritsas on Apr 28, 2008 13:05:50 GMT -5
FC: A very good point and one I'd forgotten. It does add more credibility to "Leo saved Piper first, which is why Prue died the second time" theory. You can't deny he would be in a different mental state, knowing Piper would die if he did things wrong the second time. As he would be unaffected by the resetting of time, he would have taken back that memory of Piper dying in the hospital to the Underworld and then when finally returning to the house the second time to see Shax's handy work.
Since we don't actually see when he returns, we don't know how long after Shax left did he reappear at the Mannor. However, he may actually have taken Prue's admonishment to heart literally and went to save Piper first. Since he would have explained all this to Piper (by the time of the pre-funeral scenes at the mannor), her outburst to him about saving the wrong sister can be construed as referring to his saving her first.
Yes, a very good point.
E: I was typing faster than I was thinking. Thank you for pointing out my obvious typo, (which was not meant as a personnal affront to SD fans). Still, not sure why you think spelling my screen name would bug me. I'm an adult and will freely admit to my mistakes (as I have in the past) when posting here.
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Post by whitelightertony on May 3, 2008 22:36:17 GMT -5
Or, Leo could have been referring to an attempt at healing both sisters simultaneously when he gently reminded Piper, "I can't heal the dead."
Ultimately, Ljones is correct that we simply don't know.
However, I find the theory that Prue was already dead when Leo arrived to be more consistent with both Leo's and Piper's personalities, based on the information we were given in "Charmed Again - Part 1."
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Post by spiritsas on May 12, 2008 16:05:33 GMT -5
Agreed. LJ is right because we simply don't know (no even sure if Kern were asked about it if he would respond or if the fans would believe him, but it would be an interesting hypothetical to inquire about to see what he would say - if he would answer).
I was of the mind that Prue was dead already, but FC did make an excellent point that could have affected what Leo theoretically did or didn't do the second time he shows up to save Piper and Prue.
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Post by stampe74 on May 22, 2008 15:07:46 GMT -5
Prue, died so Phoebe and Piper could live on and grow as their characters nothing else - and because of Phoebe (Alyssa Milan) couldn't stand her even though they used to be friends.
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Post by pruerocks on Jun 2, 2008 12:13:25 GMT -5
I loved Prue more then any of them and I miss her dearly..  Maybe just Maybe they left Prue's death a little open for the *just in case* they decided to bring a Prue back.. We all knew it would not me the Original Prue, meaning Shannen.. Because of the fighting between her and Alyssa.. But they never did bring her back.. *sigh* I believe on one of those *what happened* shows they said that Aaaron Spelling gave Shannen a choice and she left to do her own *ghost/fear* type shows which also didn't last very long.. It comes as no surprise to anyone that follows Shannen, she has been known to have a bad attitude towards things and maybe a little troubled because her whole life as an actress and a personal life has had major ups and downs.. Failed careers, Failed Marriage and what not.. All in All I missed her Very much on Charmed and I cried when I knew she was leaving  |
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Post by ljones on Jun 3, 2008 10:08:19 GMT -5
Aren't both Shannen Doherty and Alyssa Milano responsible for their feud?
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Post by spiritsas on Jun 3, 2008 21:12:04 GMT -5
We are all responsible for our actions. Since we never hear that they are sited together hanging out, I gather there's still no love lost there. Yet SD remains friends with HMC, who is still friendly with AM. I wonder what they do when they have parties (who can't be there because someone else is there, yada, yada).
No big deal as there is no law that says they had to like each other. How much it contributed to SD's departure from the show, as you know, still remains a partial mystery. Actors have not liked each other in the past, but either kept working or quit. Getting fired seems rather extreme, especially when you're firing one of the leading cast members, who was also a major draw for viewers to the show.
However, as has been said above, what's done is done, and quite a while ago, I may add.
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Post by charmedlover3122 on Jun 12, 2008 19:00:09 GMT -5
at the end of season three she fauhgt shax and is said to have killed by him. realy in real life she and piper and phoboe got in a huge fight and quit she wont agree to return for one more eposode so she would have the show exsplane
how she died then go she just left and people that work with her say shes a b word
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Post by PAIGE IS THE BEST!!!! on Jun 17, 2008 2:07:37 GMT -5
so that's why she left i thought she got sick of it and the producer just wanted to leave us hanging. but that explains it alot more.
thanks for that bit of info
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Post by ljones on Jun 18, 2008 10:30:20 GMT -5
at the end of season three she fauhgt shax and is said to have killed by him. realy in real life she and piper and phoboe got in a huge fight and quit she wont agree to return for one more eposode so she would have the show exsplane how she died then go she just left and people that work with her say shes a b word Could you clarify? |
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Post by marissa08 on Jun 18, 2008 22:42:20 GMT -5
I have a question, idk if it has already been asked, but when they filmed the season three finale, did they already know that Shannen wasn't coming back? Cuz i mean it seems like if they knew, they would have actually showed her death and had more closure and stuff. Or were they just thinking about firing her so they wanted to leave it open ended? Cuz with that ending it could have gone either way. I heard somewhere that Shannen was prepared to come back for season 4, but idk if that's true. Anyway, i was just curious.
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Post by ljones on Jun 19, 2008 1:10:19 GMT -5
I have a question, idk if it has already been asked, but when they filmed the season three finale, did they already know that Shannen wasn't coming back? Cuz i mean it seems like if they knew, they would have actually showed her death and had more closure and stuff. Or were they just thinking about firing her so they wanted to leave it open ended? Cuz with that ending it could have gone either way. I heard somewhere that Shannen was prepared to come back for season 4, but idk if that's true. Anyway, i was just curious. I don't know. I do know that when she had directed the S3 finale, Shannen had no idea that she would be fired. She was fired before they could start filming S4, sometime in early July 2001, I believe. |
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Post by whitelightertony on Jun 20, 2008 2:12:27 GMT -5
Plus, if they had filmed an actual death scene for Prue during the production of "All Hell Breaks Loose," I think that would have seemed a teensy bit suspicious to Shannen.
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Post by spiritsas on Jun 25, 2008 14:28:35 GMT -5
I have a question, idk if it has already been asked, but when they filmed the season three finale, did they already know that Shannen wasn't coming back? Cuz i mean it seems like if they knew, they would have actually showed her death and had more closure and stuff. Or were they just thinking about firing her so they wanted to leave it open ended? Cuz with that ending it could have gone either way. I heard somewhere that Shannen was prepared to come back for season 4, but idk if that's true. Anyway, i was just curious. You really should go back to the beginning of this thread and read through all the posts on both what is fact and what is speculation. Short version is that she didn't quit, she was fired and it took place over the summer, while she was in Canada shooting a movie with Julian McMahon. Apparently, she did want out (for reasons involving the direction of the show, loss of the creator - C. Burge, and a supposed backstage feud with A. Milano). You would not think that any one of these things would be cause for dismissing one of the main (and arguably the most popular) stars, but that is what happened. Since 2001, the rest of the cast was and remains tight lipped (except for some slip up by Brian K) on what actually happened. I suppose if word had gotten out that AM was the root cause of the SD's firing, it would have hurt the show. Anyway, no one was or has been talking, leading, naturally, to all sorts of speculation. Some of it my own. So, skim through the thread and it should answer some of your questions. Keep in mind that SD directed that last episode she was in (in fact, she was the only one of all four who played the sisters, who directed any of the episodes and she did four of them). Which is why it's doubtful she knew, at the time of shooting the episode, that she suspected anything more that it must be a cliffhanger season finale. Since that episode was shot in April of 2001 and she wasn't fired until that summer, well you see my point. |
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Post by pscharm on Jun 25, 2008 14:32:04 GMT -5
i think she got fired or quit after the s3 finale cuase s3's finale was a huge cliffhanger so i guess they gave shannen time to think if she wanted to leaave so i guess after
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Post by whitelightertony on Jun 25, 2008 22:50:23 GMT -5
Also, Holly sort of bad-mouthed the producers during an interview with TV Guide when bemoaning the way in which Shannen was fired. Holly also stated she fully expected to be getting phone calls (probably from Aaron Spelling) after the interview was published...but she didn't care!
I don't think I ever read Brian's slip-up...what did he say?
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