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Post by becky on Jan 11, 2009 4:44:21 GMT -5
I liked coop.and it would have been better i fhe was in more of the episodes. becasue with phoebe and cole you got to see the struggles and all the stuff they went through and ii kind of you more connected to hm because it was more like real life then it was with coop and phoebe.if that makes any sense at all. but with coop it was just bam hes there they fell in love and thats the end of it. it would have been great if they put him in ,ore episodes so we could se some struggles and issues so we could connect more and it wouldn't look like phoebe just all of a sudden gets her dream guy.
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Post by sookie on Feb 9, 2009 0:44:44 GMT -5
Yeah. ^ We did not see the struggles and the good time's and all of the up's and down's they went through for each other, so of course we are not getting the full story and that leave's Coop a less rounded character in the show.
I think if he was a more rounded character in the show that most people would agree with him and Phoebe being meant for each other.
I personally liked Coop, and made up my own story about what happened to them in my head. : )
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Post by ljones on Feb 10, 2009 12:10:01 GMT -5
How do you know this? How do you know that more fans would have liked Coop a lot more if his character had been more rounded? Do you know this for a fact? Or is this merely an assumption based upon your own feelings toward the character?
Ugh! "The perfect guy". I can't stand that kind of crap. It's so one-dimensional to me. If Kern and Milano wanted Phoebe to end up with someone, they could created a character who was more complex and flawed. Instead, they dumped the "ideal man" nonsense on Phoebe. And quite frankly, I don't think it helped to develop her own character at all.
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Post by pixiesunbelle on Feb 2, 2010 20:23:04 GMT -5
I don't like Coop and one reason is that he is a cupid named Coop. They couldn't come up with a better name for the character? My other problem is that he proposed and they got married in the same episode.... so rushed. Perhaps if he came around and we started to see him in S6 or S7 we may feel differently. Honestly, I think her whole quest for love and a sperm donor was ridiculous and should have been cut short by Coop appearing sooner. I would have much rather saw him coming around lots and helping the girls and then them eventually falling in love instead of it happening in Forever Charmed.
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Post by Nimue on Nov 8, 2014 7:06:08 GMT -5
I don't like Coop either. For one thing, he's a cupid, and I don't really like the concept. I mean, two people don't fall in love with each other on their own, through their own choice, it's actually an invisible angel that makes them fall in love? I know that wasn't the case for every couple, but the idea itself always bothered me. Also, Coop only appeared for a few episodes, not long enough to get to know him at all, and the only thing he did was try to get Phoebe to "open up her heart again to love". And then he falls in love with her. Wow. What a great and interesting character. If only he'd done something else a bit more exciting and worthwhile I might like him better.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Nov 8, 2014 17:16:14 GMT -5
Going back now season 7 Drake was so much better of a person than Coop definitely. But had the writers brung Coop in still then I would've liked him introduced earlier around the start of season 8 instead of Dex just like someone else here previously commented.
I wouldn't have wanted him a cupid though. Another being would've sufficed me who helped Phoebe see what she was like then and changed her personally making the Halliwell see how stupid her baby quest was and how important innocents were and helped bring back some of the old Phoebe we knew and loved then I would've liked him certainly.
And had he helped the other sisters to I would've liked him better still then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 17:47:58 GMT -5
I didn't like Coop, henceforth to be referred to as Mr. Cardboard. He was a hastily thrown together Cole substitute, nothing more. I mean the Elders felt bad for Phoebe. So they gave her Mr. Cardboard!? Does that make sense to anyone.
As I said, would it have killed them to end the show with at least one sister still single?
And don't forget that Mr. Cardboard was effectively stalking Phoebe. Season One Phoebe would probably have filed a Restraining Order against him, but that Phoebe was gone.
This was later seasons Phoebe, and, as Barney Stinson of How I Met Your Mother put it in his song: A-bang, a-bang, a-bangity-bang, a-bang, bang, bang, bang....
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Jul 6, 2015 21:00:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't have wanted him a cupid though. Another being would've sufficed me who helped Phoebe see what she was like then and changed her personally making the Halliwell see how stupid her baby quest was and how important innocents were and helped bring back some of the old Phoebe we knew and loved then I would've liked him certainly. And had he helped the other sisters to I would've liked him better still then. In other words…what Drake would've done if he had known about Phoebe's various issues. Yeah, they really needed to keep him with her. I mean the Elders felt bad for Phoebe. So they gave her Mr. Cardboard!? Does that make sense to anyone. Once I remembered the Elders were Charmed's in-universe "Powers That Be" and connected the dots about how meta that is in the fourth wall sense, I actually found this hilarious. The only way PhoeME the Abominable Showgirl can actually keep a man is if he's literally handed down to her from above? And to this day, not a single former cast or crew member has ever picked up on just how bad a look that is. The comedy writes itself here, folks. You can't make this up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2015 23:31:19 GMT -5
I know. At least Paige found Henry without "help" from the useless Elders.
What made Phoebe so special to them?
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 7, 2015 3:59:08 GMT -5
Right she hadn't exactly done anything in recent years to deserve Coop so why she got him exactly was beyond me and the fact the Elders gave him was even more pathetic really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 12:51:11 GMT -5
Coop needed an identity. I think they just went: "Phoebe is all about love, so let's have her marry a cupid. Ah perfect, genius", but ultimately the idea of that in itself is not enough to make a really believable and likable couple. Because although he was a cupid, he really wasn't all that different from Phoebe's other men in later seasons. He exists to tell us how wonderful Phoebe is and that's supposed to be enough. It's not. He needs to exist as a character in his own right.
This is why I prefer Phoebe and Coop so much more in the comics. Paul Ruditis gave Coop a history, motivations, imperfections. He managed to turn the latest in a long line of Phoebe Ego-Tron Robots into an actual character. As a result of that, I could get on board with the couple far more.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 7, 2015 13:20:45 GMT -5
Coop needed an identity. I think they just went: "Phoebe is all about love, so let's have her marry a cupid. Ah perfect, genius", but ultimately the idea of that in itself is not enough to make a really believable and likable couple. Because although he was a cupid, he really wasn't all that different from Phoebe's other men in later seasons. He exists to tell us how wonderful Phoebe is and that's supposed to be enough. It's not. He needs to exist as a character in his own right. This is why I prefer Phoebe and Coop so much more in the comics. Paul Ruditis gave Coop a history, motivations, imperfections. He managed to turn the latest in a long line of Phoebe Ego-Tron Robots into an actual character. As a result of that, I could get on board with the couple far more. Exactly so. The reason why I like *all* of the main characters in Season Nine much more than any of their counterparts in S4-8. And the same reason why I don't like *any* of the main characters in Season Ten. I find them as boring as the ones in S4-8. And they were wrong about Phoebe being all about love - just like the cupid they gave her was not about love - they were both all about lust and not much else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 13:30:33 GMT -5
And they were wrong about Phoebe being all about love - just like the cupid they gave her was not about love - they were both all about lust and not much else. Oh yeah totally. Never bought the all about love thing. Just something Kern seemed to think would become true if he said it enough times. Part of the "tell - not show" policy that bugged me so much in Charmed's later years.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 7, 2015 15:07:22 GMT -5
And they were wrong about Phoebe being all about love - just like the cupid they gave her was not about love - they were both all about lust and not much else. Oh yeah totally. Never bought the all about love thing. Just something Kern seemed to think would become true if he said it enough times. Part of the "tell - not show" policy that bugged me so much in Charmed's later years. Well, it would be awful hard for Kern to show what he or The WB (much more likely....) didn't understand. Remember, The WB was the one that even used sexy pictures of the women of "7th Heaven" to advertise the show. *shudder* (and 7th Heaven was the only show on The WB that I watched besides Charmed - another Spelling Productions - there was a *lot* of Spelling Productions I liked...and a lot I didn't...) . For TheWB to let Kern show someone like Cupid (who wasn't even sexy...) in "Heartbreak City" would've been unthinkable in Season 5-8. I can believe that the Coop in the comics is that type of a cupid much easier than the Coop of S8.
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Post by Darkhorse Christian on Jul 7, 2015 16:46:14 GMT -5
Kern and company showed absolutely no forethought to Coop as a character. Even his name, was literally a lazy shorthand for Cupid. (That's about as lazy as "Demon" spelled backwards.)
For me, as soon as he went "call me Coop," that should've been Phoebe's cue to retort what a lame shorthand that is for Cupid, only for him to reply that it's actually a shorthand for his last name Cooper. Eventually his real first name from when he was a human would be revealed as Michael.
But wait, they couldn't think of that. In fact Michael ended up going to one of the one-off false suitors Coop half-heartedly tried to set Phoebe up with. Holy crap, the lack of forethought is strong with these people.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 17:39:02 GMT -5
Mr. Cardboard just faded into the background. He was just a the last slampiece for Phoebe, nothing more.
As I said, Piper had Leo, and Paige had Henry. Phoebe could have ended the show single.
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Post by kriswyatthalliwell on Jul 12, 2015 20:55:59 GMT -5
Coop wasn't the most exciting love interest (Billy, Drake, S2 Cupid, and Cole were more interesting), and all he seemed interested in was Pheobe. I know it was his job, but still... You never really grew attached to Coop, and there was never really any chemistry between him and Pheobe. Drake and Pheobe were much more compatable, and S2 Cupid knew exactly which buttons to push. Coop... He was nice? And available? I guess... Brad Kern simply wanted the sisters all married off towards the end, hence the rushed relationship between Pheobe and Coop. I don't hate Coop or anything.. He's just a little boring, plain, vanilla, two-demenisional, etc.
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Post by ljones on Jul 13, 2015 11:27:44 GMT -5
First off they were forwarding it through giving insight of what happened to them and for them, we don't know exactly how long they were together before that fairy-tale wedding. They could have BEEN together just in enough time to really have that type of love. Phoebe and Coop were not given the long run of time together on air cause the series was being cancelled. I suppose if it was to have gone longer with the two we would have seen more of what kind of magic love they would have been. "Magic love"?
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Post by Esmeralda on Jul 13, 2015 11:28:35 GMT -5
Coop wasn't the most exciting love interest (Billy, Drake, S2 Cupid, and Cole were more interesting), and all he seemed interested in was Pheobe. I know it was his job, but still... You never really grew attached to Coop, and there was never really any chemistry between him and Pheobe. Drake and Pheobe were much more compatable, and S2 Cupid knew exactly which buttons to push. Coop... He was nice? And available? I guess... Brad Kern simply wanted the sisters all married off towards the end, hence the rushed relationship between Pheobe and Coop. I don't hate Coop or anything.. He's just a little boring, plain, vanilla, two-demenisional, etc. I guess the only reason why I hate him is that being around him PhoeME was even MORE PhoeME than usual! It's why I'm so happy he's not that way in the comics - PhoeME died during "Forever Charmed" and Phoebs, but a mature, adult Phoebs, was reborn, the way I feel Phoebe might have continued had Kern and Alyssa not gotten a hold of her.
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Post by ljones on Jul 13, 2015 14:56:24 GMT -5
I don't mind the idea of Coop being a little dull. After all, Leo wasn't exactly an exciting character, superficially. But he proved to be complex in his own way. And his relationship with Piper was portrayed in a very complex manner. We never got that with Phoebe and Coop. And now it seems, we still haven't got that in the comics.
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