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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 1, 2010 13:42:24 GMT -5
I was wondering... what would happen down the line when orbing becomes more common among witches because they inherited it? Does that mean that they automatically get to be whitelighters? If you follow what happens in S4-8, especially with both Chris and Paige having charges, I'd say yes. One of many reasons why whitelighter powers being inheritable makes absolutely no sense. Especially if being a whitelighter simply means being a magical taxicab/doctor.  |
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Post by Reality Bites on Dec 1, 2010 15:28:12 GMT -5
I was wondering... what would happen down the line when orbing becomes more common among witches because they inherited it? Does that mean that they automatically get to be whitelighters? If you follow what happens in S4-8, especially with both Chris and Paige having charges, I'd say yes. One of many reasons why whitelighter powers being inheritable makes absolutely no sense. Especially if being a whitelighter simply means being a magical taxicab/doctor. Maybe that's the one of the reasons the Elders had forbidden whitelighter/witch relations... having people out of their control inherit whitelighter powers is quite dangerous! I honestly think the only reason Paige, Chris, and Wyatt became whitelighters before death is so the Elders can exert some sort of control over these powerful witches, who are not only fiercely independent, but also more mutable to becoming evil than your average whitelighter. If an evil witch with an orbing power, let alone an evil Warren witch, Charmed One, or Twice-Blessed witch, managed to advanced their power and gain access to the Heavens the Elders would be in worse trouble than, perhaps, the Titan attack. By making those three whitelighters before death, maybe that would give the Elders the right to detain/punish them (i.e. Leo in "Magic Hour") in the case of them "breaking one too many rules". |
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Post by marienomad on Dec 1, 2010 15:54:04 GMT -5
I could just imagine all the problems that will happen after a few hundred years when all those witch descendants have whitelighter powers. One of them might turn evil.
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 1, 2010 18:55:59 GMT -5
I think that would happen a lot sooner than a hundred years. Unless Piper changed a LOT, I think Wyatt, Chris or Prudence Melinda (if she has whitelighter powers) could very easily go evil - especially Wyatt since he was born at the Manor. And if not them, unless one of *them* change, definitely the next generation.
I just wonder how much power the Elders would have over them... You would think if they have any power over them, there would've been no need for Chris to come back from the future because the Elders would've taken care of it then.
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Post by ljones on Dec 5, 2010 14:51:09 GMT -5
But orbing is nothing but teleportation. Even evil beings have this ability - even if it's in a form other than blue orbs. The only thing that makes "orbing" dangerous for whitelighers is if someone is able to use it to teleport into the Whitelighters Realm.
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Post by Reality Bites on Dec 6, 2010 3:25:25 GMT -5
But orbing is nothing but teleportation. Even evil beings have this ability - even if it's in a form other than blue orbs. The only thing that makes "orbing" dangerous for whitelighers is if someone is able to use it to teleport into the Whitelighters Realm. Dangerous, as in The Elders have no say in how those powers are used... not just orbing, but any or all whitelighter powers an offspring can inherit. If a whitelighter does something The Elders don't like, the person can be retained, turned mortal, or have their soul recycled. The Elders didn't seem to have that type of control over Paige, Chris, or Wyatt who all seemed to use their whitelighter powers however they pleased. The Elders have all these rules and guidelines for how a whitelighter's abilities are supposed to be used, but if the offspring of a whitelighter can inherit these powers and not have to follow the rules The Elders set forth, than there's a danger of those powers being abused without anyone having the authority to challenge them. |
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Post by marienomad on Dec 6, 2010 9:12:53 GMT -5
But orbing is nothing but teleportation. Even evil beings have this ability - even if it's in a form other than blue orbs. The only thing that makes "orbing" dangerous for whitelighers is if someone is able to use it to teleport into the Whitelighters Realm. Or try to orb something out of someone else's body like a heart. |
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Post by Esmeralda on Dec 6, 2010 20:17:27 GMT -5
But orbing is nothing but teleportation. Even evil beings have this ability - even if it's in a form other than blue orbs. The only thing that makes "orbing" dangerous for whitelighers is if someone is able to use it to teleport into the Whitelighters Realm. Dangerous, as in The Elders have no say in how those powers are used... not just orbing, but any or all whitelighter powers an offspring can inherit. If a whitelighter does something The Elders don't like, the person can be retained, turned mortal, or have their soul recycled. The Elders didn't seem to have that type of control over Paige, Chris, or Wyatt who all seemed to use their whitelighter powers however they pleased. The Elders have all these rules and guidelines for how a whitelighter's abilities are supposed to be used, but if the offspring of a whitelighter can inherit these powers and not have to follow the rules The Elders set forth, than there's a danger of those powers being abused without anyone having the authority to challenge them. All part of why those powers should not be inheritable. |
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Post by ljones on Dec 8, 2010 16:28:37 GMT -5
Basically, you're just pointing out a danger of teleportation. Because that is what orbing is. Teleportation. An individual can teleport a heart out of another being's body - in any form of the power, including via blue orbs.
And there are other beings - humans included - that can or probably do possess the ability to teleport.
All part of why those powers should not be inheritable.
You might as well say the same about all magical abilities featured in the series.
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Post by Ruth Marie on Mar 16, 2017 0:33:27 GMT -5
They made a big deal out of being a whitelighter is something you have to earn, and would become one when you die. But the logic in that changed throughout the years, when Paige came into the picture. Now anyone can inherit whitelighter powers, and earning your wings is out the door.
But the writing changed for whitelighters after season 1 when Leo remained apart of the show. So an angel siring children with a mortal doesn't make much sense. But based on Charmed canon, I suppose Leo's body just heals allowing him to conceive a child with Piper. Again, I really liked the mythology of whitelighters in season 1. Secrets and Guys, and I liked how they handled Leo.
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Post by lordumbrex on Mar 16, 2017 15:15:36 GMT -5
Witches having whitelighter powers is no different than witches having witch powers. It's no big deal. It's no more dangerous than Piper being able to blow things up; the Elders have just as much control over Piper as they would a witch a hundred years from now with the power to orb.
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Post by magena on Mar 17, 2017 6:11:02 GMT -5
The whitelighter are humans resurrected by a particular kind og magic so I understand that they can be able to have children and that their children can inherit their powers
I'ld prefer that only whitelighters can orb, because at the end I find too bland that people can appear where necessary
Also Bille and Chisty were annoyng with their taxi-potion
I liked when the sisters went with their cars
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Post by universalcharmed on Jun 17, 2017 11:54:10 GMT -5
Whitelighters aren't angels. Their DNA structure is changed when they become Whitelighters. So Whitelighter having children is fine. I don't see why they shouldn't be able to. Also just like Piper, Prue and Phoebe inherited their witch powers from their mother, I don't see why Paige and Wyatt shouldn't have been able to inherit their whitelighter power from their fathers. Also the full power of them.
That is like saying since Prue, Piper and Phoebe mom was a witch and dad was human that they should only be half witch.
As for as why Whitelighters are forbidden to have children and romantically relationships are for multiple reasons.
1. It interferes with their job. They can't do their job without bias. Especially if they have multiple charges. Seem with Leo and Piper.
2. They can't strip born whitelighters of their powers. That was said by one of the elders when Paige asked to take the power to sense charges away. Thus they have no control of how they use their abilities.
3. Whitelighters are recycled souls. Wyatt soul was the recycled King Arthur. Thus this made him the controller of Excalibur and very powerful. So even if he wasn't a witch her would still possess alot of power. Paige was the recycled soul of the evil Enchantress who was one of the most powerful witches of the twelfth century and controlled the elements.
Recycled souls and past lives are two different things. World war Leo and Whitelighter Leo are the same person. P. Bowen is a past live of Prue. They aren't the same people. Hard to explain really.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 17, 2017 12:15:35 GMT -5
Whatever whitelighters are (and you're right - they're not angels. No such thing in Charmed. Even their Angels of Destiny were more demonic than the demons, who weren't devils.), they're *not* recycled souls. If that was the case, they'd be alive, which means they would be someone totally different (and we found out from 'Pardon My Past' and 'Saving Private Leo' that they're not - all of those were still Leo Wyatt.) and start out as babies. Whitelighters are still dead. Hence why they shouldn't be able to have kids or pass on powers because their sperm and their DNA are dead. Connie screwed it up by introducing Melinda.
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Post by Alana on Jun 17, 2017 14:34:46 GMT -5
I don't how whitelighters could reproduce being generally not very alive creatures. Or were they alive?
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Post by universalcharmed on Jun 18, 2017 5:06:30 GMT -5
1. Angels do exist. The Angel of destiny and Guardian angels.
2. Whitelighters aren't really dead neither are they alive. They DNA is different shown by the show.
3. Recycled as in being the same soul. Wyatt was the owner of Excalibur because he possessed the soul of King Arthur. Paige was able to use the Evil Enchantress powers because they were the same person.
On the show they explained Whitelighters DNA and how they can reproduce. That was the explanation given. Rather it is logical or not is irrelevant as Demons, Witches, Fairies, etc are non logical.
So instead of the question being how can they reproduce it should be do you like the fact that they can reproduce.
The How can be summed up to Magic. The rules of reality shouldn't work when talking about Whitelighters.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 18, 2017 8:51:42 GMT -5
Their "angels" weren't angels since there's no God in Charmed if there's no Satan, who can't be vanquished by witches, which is why making demons and the Source of All Evil the bad guys didn't make a lot of sense - they should've stuck with warlocks. And their so-called angels were more demonic than the demons who weren't devils.
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Post by Charmed by Piper on Jun 18, 2017 9:17:22 GMT -5
Their "angels" weren't angels since there's no God in Charmed if there's no Satan, who can't be vanquished by witches, which is why making demons and the Source of All Evil the bad guys didn't make a lot of sense - they should've stuck with warlocks. And their so-called angels were more demonic than the demons who weren't devils. And I am glad that we had no God or Satan in Charmed. Not because it might offend religious people, but because I just don't want that subject matter to be handled by these writers. |
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Post by Elle Em on Jun 18, 2017 9:50:46 GMT -5
Whitelighters should not have been able to pass on their powers to their children. I'm on the fence as to whether it even makes sense for them to be able to reproduce, but that's another matter.
The thing is, we were told by Leo that whitelighters are people who have led virtuous lives, and upon their deaths, are given the opportunity to become whitelighters. With that acceptance comes particular powers that witches don't have. So if whitelighters can just reproduce and their children inherit their abilities, what's the point of making someone a whitelighter after they die?
Their powers or orbing and healing and whatever else were meant to be earned. Paige and Wyatt, for example, did nothing but be born of a whitelighter father. They could have turned out to be psychopaths, completely undeserving of powers of such magnitude. If the powers are inheritable, there's no point in pretending like they're only given to people like Leo after they die.
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Post by Esmeralda on Jun 18, 2017 11:46:12 GMT -5
Exactly so. If indeed they can reproduce, them having the powers of the non-whitelighter makes sense - that's what I always thought Melinda in 'Morality Bites' had and promised Piper not to use - one of the Charmed powers, but not whitelighter ones. Getting the whitelighter ones when they weren't earned made absolutely no sense. All part of why I think that S4-8 is an alternate-universe spin-off which has nothing to do with the original "Charmed" except for the names. In that one, whitelighters and Elders are truly no different than witches and neither are demons or angels or avatars and all the rest - all mortals; just different powers.
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