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Post by Astral Echo on Sept 15, 2010 15:34:55 GMT -5
Problem is, it should of been obvious. This could of quite well have been the plan but as Charmed never told us this doesn't jusify the mess. It was still a mess. This poster should be pleased that he worked out one of Charmed's biggest mysteries.
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Post by ljones on Sept 16, 2010 1:09:04 GMT -5
Chris' presence in Season 6 is just one of MANY plot holes that have plagued both single episodes and multi-episode story arcs on "CHARMED".
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Post by Astral Echo on Sept 16, 2010 10:01:50 GMT -5
Many but arguably one of the worst.
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Post by Esmeralda on Sept 16, 2010 10:36:15 GMT -5
Which is disappointing because it could've/should've been the best in order to set up the continuance of the franchise. Like I say so often - a fantastically wonderful idea done horribly because it wasn't planned out.
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Post by ljones on Sept 17, 2010 0:26:49 GMT -5
Arguably. I don't know if I would agree with your assessment.
Again, I could say the same about other multi-episode story arcs - especially during Seasons 4-8.
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 5, 2010 23:24:13 GMT -5
This line from the quoted part in the original post is being discussed at the site where I first got that quote, and the discussion is becoming fun! I had to share it with you guys! Post-writer #1: I'm surprised it took the Charmed Ones so long to figure out that Chris was Piper and Leo's son. I figured it out the second I saw him. He looks exactly like Piper! Same hair, eyebrows and coloring!! Post-writer #2: That's pretty interesting...considering they weren't originally going to have Chris be their son. (skipping a couple posts) Post-writer #3: At the end of Season 5 most people assumed Chris was evil and after the charmed ones, especially after what he did to Leo.
Chris was originally suppose to be Paige's son, but Holly got pregnant...and it made more sense for Chris to be Piper and Leo's son. My reply: Hmmm...I kinda like the idea of Chris as Paige's son. I can see it.
Although someone else must've been frozen during the original timeline of "Oh, My Goddess". A dead Paige could never have a child.
Oh, wait. A dead whitelighter sired her, and a dead whitelighter sired Wyatt.
Yeah, I guess a dead Paige could've had a child. Post-writer #4: I don't think Paige really was dead in Chris's future. I think the Titan attack was just a convenient place for him to come in and pretend he saved them so they would accept him. Phoebe easily could have thrown the same potions that Chris did and the thing with the leprechaun, dwarf and fairy was her idea (although the leprechaun thought of the fairy) My reply: This is my feelings in the matter also. I'm just saying that if Chris *was* Paige's son, they would've had to have had someone else frozen or for SURE the sisters would later figure out what a liar he is. Of course his lies is due to all of the inconsistencies of his storyline, but since he never said he was sorry for all of his lies, I never believed a word he said unless it was verified by someone else. Post-writer #4 again: don't think Paige "died" Chris could have made that up to get the trust of the charmed ones. Me again: OH! I get it! Yes, Paige could've been Chris' mom and the little liar would've on purpose let the sisters think that she died in the original timeline in order to keep them from thinking that he's her son! OOOOO! LOVE it! That would've been a lot more fun than the mess we got and would've kept the show from turning into "The Perils of Poor, Poor, Pitiful Piper" when it just concentrated only on Piper's family and made Phoebe and Paige just supporting characters.
Although personally I would've preferred Chris as the grown Phoetus - Phoebe and Source Cole's son! Now *that* would've been FUN! Post-writer #5: if Chris was suppose to be the son of Paige...then who did they want to be his dad. richard? Me again: Probably someone who never made the series, since they didn't need him once Holly became pregnant and they decided to make Chris Piper and Leo's. They said the idea of his being Paige's was quickly turned down, so I'm guessing it was done before they started writing S6. Post-writer #6 (just posted today): I would have preferred Chris to be the son of Paige and Richard. It would explain his tendency to use dark methods since Richard's family waivered between good and evil magic. Also, Richard's family had a whole different set of powers from the sisters so it would have been nice to see those incorporated into the show. And my most-recent reply: OOOO! You are absolutely right! Oh, wow, this is bringing up a fantastic basis for an alternate-universe story! SOOOO much better than the crap we were fed! And because Drew Fuller looks more like Shannen Doherty than he does like Holly or Alyssa or Rose, he could've been *any* of their son who just happened to look like his dead aunt. So? What do you guys think? |
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Post by Astral Echo on Nov 6, 2010 10:09:01 GMT -5
Dang! It's almost inspiring me to write my own fic. It makes such sense, Chris as the son of Paige and Richard would of been perfect! Imagine a massive showdown between a good Wyatt and evil Chris. With the Montana's rich history of magic, against the twice blessed, would of made for a reasonably even matched fight.
Exciting! ;D
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Nov 6, 2010 22:26:03 GMT -5
Reading this thread makes me wish I had the power to go back in time like Chris and rewrite the whole Charmed franchise...
I also wished they kept the "Paige liking Cole" sub-plot in the show. It would explain why Paige stayed with Richard, she was attracted towards bad.
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Post by Quadquetra on Nov 7, 2010 14:29:25 GMT -5
That is very interesting, they could have gone many different ways with Chris, I could see him being any of their sons, but he always struck me as looking like Prue with the mole,eyes and power.
Btw hey Es what site is that from?
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Post by Esmeralda on Nov 7, 2010 15:07:20 GMT -5
That is very interesting, they could have gone many different ways with Chris, I could see him being any of their sons, but he always struck me as looking like Prue with the mole,eyes and power. Btw hey Es what site is that from? Sorry - I'm having too much fun bringing over convos from other sites to reveal my sources!  I do the same thing with good convos here. |
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Post by Quadquetra on Nov 7, 2010 15:39:13 GMT -5
Could you maybe pm it to me? Pweeesee  |
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Post by Astral Echo on Nov 7, 2010 19:10:49 GMT -5
There are often some good threads over at IMDB that I like to dabble in.
As for the Paige/Cole arc, as much as I like the sound of it, I don't Paige was attracted to bad, she was simply attracted to men that need help. Richard & Kyle, add Cole - and the fact that her whole career was based around helping people...
...Phoebe however was attracted to bad, her past life proves that. Anton, Cole, Drake (while not bad, was still a demon) etc...she claimed herself in S5 that she's always attracting evil.
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Post by SEERofCHAOS on Nov 7, 2010 21:45:28 GMT -5
There are often some good threads over at IMDB that I like to dabble in. As for the Paige/Cole arc, as much as I like the sound of it, I don't Paige was attracted to bad, she was simply attracted to men that need help. Richard & Kyle, add Cole - and the fact that her whole career was based around helping people... ...Phoebe however was attracted to bad, her past life proves that. Anton, Cole, Drake (while not bad, was still a demon) etc...she claimed herself in S5 that she's always attracting evil. Makes sense! Though any man that came Phoebe's way was bound to be with her even for a short time. |
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Post by ljones on Nov 9, 2010 13:57:05 GMT -5
Has everyone forgotten about Prue and her attraction to the likes of Brendan Rowe (who nearly killed her) and Bane Jessup? Or that Piper's first love interest was Jeremy?
Guardian Angels ARE NOT teachers who have some kind of authority over you. And yes, I would prefer if a friend ask if he or she can give me advice, before offering it. And who gives a flying poop that Leo said that whitelighters were LIKE guardian angels. By stating that, Leo is saying that whitelighters were more or less guardian angels for witches. At least to me, it did.
I HATE the concept of the whitelighters. I HATE the whitelighters in general. I HATE the idea of witches being under the authority of beings who ARE NOT deities. I HATE it. I've hated it for a long time. I CHEERED when Piper told the whitelighters to take a hike in Season Seven. Unfortunately, this didn't last very long and by Season Eight, the Charmed Ones were adhering to the Whitelighters' agenda again, all because selfish Piper couldn't learn to let go of Leo after his car accident.
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Post by erikamarie on Jan 4, 2011 7:31:40 GMT -5
I found very interesting whitelighter idea but I don't like the confusion with angels and religion
Charmed is a world of fantasy, a reality were a magic world interacts with normal life:the whitelighters aren't angels but humans turned magical beings, the Elders aren't Gods but withelighters with more power,the witches aren't intrepid paladins of good but normal persons who have to get the accounts square and wish love and friendship and fun (I cannot believe that somebody'ld wish pain and batttle and death)
A magic world regulated by special rules:but the CO are humans they don't have to obey to the Elders,they don't have the duty to save the world they have the chance to do it it's up to them to want to do it
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Post by Esmeralda on Jan 4, 2011 11:16:36 GMT -5
I found very interesting whitelighter idea but I don't like the confusion with angels and religion Charmed is a world of fantasy, a reality were a magic world interacts with normal life:the whitelighters aren't angels but humans turned magical beings, the Elders aren't Gods but withelighters with more power,the witches aren't intrepid paladins of good but normal persons who have to get the accounts square and wish love and friendship and fun (I cannot believe that somebody'ld wish pain and batttle and death) Beautifully put, Erikamarie; I agree totally. On this I agree up to "Witch Way Now?" They had a chance to say no, they didn't want to do this any more. They didn't, so it's no longer up to them whether they want to or not - it's now their duty, which they failed in horribly during "The Perils of Poor, Poor Pitiful Piper." |
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Post by ljones on Jan 4, 2011 18:39:06 GMT -5
The Charmed Ones didn't need the Angel of Destiny or whatever he was, to give them the choice on whether to give up being the Whitelighters' foot soldiers or not.
They could have (and should have) done it on their own. Even after the events of "Witch Way Is Now". The idea of witches being demon hunters as a matter of duty, regardless, is a load of crock to me.
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Post by Astral Echo on Jan 4, 2011 19:26:57 GMT -5
I don't think they ever were demon hunters. The only two there ever went out of their way to find demons were Prue and Paige and both have their reasons for doing so. Prue was hysterically worried about the Triad while Paige was trying to do her best to live up to Prue and in doing so, repeated one of the worst mistakes Prue was ever guilty of.
Piper and Phoebe only went after demons when they became a treat to themselves or an innocent they summoned to protect. By summoned, I mean by one of Phoebe's premonitions.
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Post by Reality Bites on Jan 17, 2011 17:05:56 GMT -5
The Charmed Ones didn't need the Angel of Destiny or whatever he was, to give them the choice on whether to give up being the Whitelighters' foot soldiers or not. They could have (and should have) done it on their own. Even after the events of "Witch Way Is Now". The idea of witches being demon hunters as a matter of duty, regardless, is a load of crock to me. This is true, but the Angel of Destiny offered them the chance to be completely protected against magical attacks. Because even if they stopped being witches, demons who wanted the Nexus or the Book of Shadows could have still came after them otherwise. If they stopped being witches on their own, the girls would have to get rid of the Book, sell the house, and move elsewhere if they did not want to worry about demons and warlocks coming after them even after giving up their powers. |
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Post by ljones on Jan 19, 2011 21:45:26 GMT -5
The Charmed Ones didn't need the Angel of Destiny or whatever he was, to give them the choice on whether to give up being the Whitelighters' foot soldiers or not. They could have (and should have) done it on their own. Even after the events of "Witch Way Is Now". The idea of witches being demon hunters as a matter of duty, regardless, is a load of crock to me. This is true, but the Angel of Destiny offered them the chance to be completely protected against magical attacks. Because even if they stopped being witches, demons who wanted the Nexus or the Book of Shadows could have still came after them otherwise. If they stopped being witches on their own, the girls would have to get rid of the Book, sell the house, and move elsewhere if they did not want to worry about demons and warlocks coming after them even after giving up their powers. So? What's wrong with that? Yes, they were. That's all they ever did was hunt and kill demons, warlocks or any other supernatural bad guys. They rarely acted as counselors, healers or supernatural guides. They simply killed magical bad guys. What made this worse is that the series tend to emphasize these actions as typical for witches with magical abilities. |
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