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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 22, 2011 16:19:39 GMT -5
Oh dear, looks like I have done it yet once again.... When I made the post that you responded to, in truth I was not thinking about the Wicca community at all. My bad, as they are part of the various religions I memtioned...but my brain, after the Bloody Mary Kern made me drink was on a different level. I had totally excluded them from the mix since it was a (Christian Site) that I had accidental landed on and discovered that the members and leaders of the excepted paths to enlightenment; at least in this country; were bad-mouthing the show. Most of what I read was after the fact, so I have no idea what the fall-out was like during the shows run. But I suspect that many letters were written and may have clouded the powers that be decisions on how to handle their use of Wiccan rights. Now mind you, I am only guessing. For all I know I was on target the first time....too many power lunches with The Walker Brothers and Mr. Wolfschmidt.  Oh, no, no, you misread me. I wasn't angry at you. I was mad at the religious groups and their over-sensitivity.  |
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 23, 2011 14:36:49 GMT -5
Thank you NW, I really didn't think that was related to me, but I wasn't 100% sure. I did appreciate your remark as it helped me realize that I had omitted Wicca from my mix. It also helped me to recall that I had read bad copy from that fraction on other Wiccian sites that I check into for research. That is how I learned that 13 in a coven wasn't developed in Hollywood. Somewhat off topic here...Wicca it seems to me might be one of the most misunderstood religions out there because of some of the things that have been presented in films and TV, which is largely incorrect. A good film to look at is "Rosemary's Baby". Okay, so they were witches and had a coven of 13...the rest of it is non-cents. They do not worship the devil. When I saw that film as a teen I didn't know that. Ah, the teaching of Hollyrock. Even Charmed touched on that lightly when Piper is afraid to enter a church and the pastor says "do not suffer a witch to live",...what I found most interesting is that Piper went there and the pastor seemed to know her. Does this mean that before she became Charmed she worshiped there? Interesting. 
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 23, 2011 14:53:21 GMT -5
Yup, I believe she did and I believe that she worshipped there every Sunday; that she never actually embraced Wicca as her religion - the reason she continued to wear the little cross around her neck. I do think the only reason she married Leo in a Wiccan ceremony is because he's a whitelighter. I also think Grams became a priestess after her death, probably made one by the Elders so she could perform the ceremony; that she was never actually one while she was alive.
The whole "never allow a witch to live" was due to the Jewish belief that a witch was a woman who had become the bride of Satan. Of course, Wicca has nothing to do with Satan, the reason why Piper was able to enter the church and continue to be a Christian. I truly don't think any of the sisters ever truly became Wiccans - just witches who followed the ceremonies but didn't embrace the beliefs.
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 23, 2011 18:18:26 GMT -5
Yup, I believe she did and I believe that she worshipped there every Sunday; that she never actually embraced Wicca as her religion - the reason she continued to wear the little cross around her neck. I do think the only reason she married Leo in a Wiccan ceremony is because he's a whitelighter. I also think Grams became a priestess after her death, probably made one by the Elders so she could perform the ceremony; that she was never actually one while she was alive. The whole "never allow a witch to live" was due to the Jewish belief that a witch was a woman who had become the bride of Satan. Of course, Wicca has nothing to do with Satan, the reason why Piper was able to enter the church and continue to be a Christian. I truly don't think any of the sisters ever truly became Wiccans - just witches who followed the ceremonies but didn't embrace the beliefs. Nope, Grams was a High Priestess long before her death, confirmed in "How To Make Quilts out of an American" when Gail said she told the girls she was meeting with her bridge club, when it was really a secret coven and how Grams was the most skillful witch of any of them. Grams may have been a Christian Wiccan, which is quite possible.  |
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 23, 2011 18:39:16 GMT -5
Well I guess it is time for me to come out of the closet so to speak. If it works out badly I think I will have no choice but to vanquish myself.
By birth and heritage I am a Christian. Baptized an Episcopalian, raise Baptist and sent to a Catholic school. How is that for confusing??? Oh yeah, feel free to top it at any time. I never mentioned this but my up bringing helped me to bond with Piper.
The books I have talked about by Jeanne Rose I do not fear because she has never stated that she is a witch. But the ones by Ann Moura are pristine as I fear to open them. I desire to study the Green-Craft as I call it, but I am afraid. I believe in hell and now that I am almost 61 I know that I don't want to go there. I really want to learn about healing, but I often wonder if I am doing the wrong thing. I hate being afraid, I wish I was 20 again. Sammy
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 23, 2011 19:11:48 GMT -5
Well I guess it is time for me to come out of the closet so to speak. If it works out badly I think I will have no choice but to vanquish myself. By birth and heritage I am a Christian. Baptized an Episcopalian, raise Baptist and sent to a Catholic school. How is that for confusing??? Oh yeah, feel free to top it at any time. I never mentioned this but my up bringing helped me to bond with Piper. The books I have talked about by Jeanne Rose I do not fear because she has never stated that she is a witch. But the ones by Ann Moura are pristine as I fear to open them. I desire to study the Green-Craft as I call it, but I am afraid. I believe in hell and now that I am almost 61 I know that I don't want to go there. I really want to learn about healing, but I often wonder if I am doing the wrong thing. I hate being afraid, I wish I was 20 again. Sammy Oh, Sammy, that's a hard pill to swallow for someone who IS 20 and is miles away from you and doesn't know you well enough.  All I can tell you is to really search and ask God/the Creator/Great Spirit if this is the right path for you. Deep down, you know the Truth. Much of what the Church believes is evil, in terms of witchcraft, are natural things humanity's ancient ancestors have been using for health. The Church is responsible for the destruction of indigenous cultures, knowledge, spiritual teachings and ways of life, but don't let their dogma hinder you from personal growth. Just be the person you can possibly be.  |
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Post by erikamarie on Feb 24, 2011 11:55:25 GMT -5
this discussion is out of context I'm not a religious person but I cannot accept sentences written without thinking
What would happen to the ancient and advanced Greek and latin knowledge if generation of monks had not spent their life saving and copying ancient texts?
In my valley once they worshiped the goddess Artemis - or Hecate or Diana always the same goddess- as Lady of the woods and the plants, my great grandmother Elodie had a recipe for every plant, Artemis recipes and believed to have met Holda walking to the Quille-du-Diable : the recipes are written in an old notebook but my family prefers to go to our doctor we belive in the research and the pharmacology
And we show respect for the Church
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 25, 2011 23:00:06 GMT -5
Thanks NB...I'm going to delve into those books now. |
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Post by ghostrider on Feb 25, 2011 23:06:28 GMT -5
Posted by Esmeralda Zankou on 2/23/11 at 2:53pm
Oh ES, I just started reading a book on Green Witchcraft and ran into something very interesting. Not all witches are Wiccan. This may make me sound very dumb, but that was an eye-opener for me.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 25, 2011 23:08:56 GMT -5
Yup. Just like I said, I truly never believed that the girls were Wiccans. When they never once mention the Goddess or all of the other stuff that's part of being Wiccans...no.
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 26, 2011 0:10:37 GMT -5
Posted by Esmeralda Zankou on 2/23/11 at 2:53pmOh ES, I just started reading a book on Green Witchcraft and ran into something very interesting. Not all witches are Wiccan. This may make me sound very dumb, but that was an eye-opener for me. Don't feel dumb. Yeah, not all witches are Wiccan, and not every Wiccan practices witchcraft or considers themselves a witch. |
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Post by ljones on Feb 26, 2011 12:25:38 GMT -5
I believe that the ceremony was for nothing. One, the whitelighters' beliefs seemed nothing like Wiccans and more like Christians. And two, Piper was married to a legally dead man, but a legally dead woman. What was the point with a marriage in the first place?
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Post by Lexi on Feb 26, 2011 13:24:20 GMT -5
I believe that the ceremony was for nothing. One, the whitelighters' beliefs seemed nothing like Wiccans and more like Christians. And two, Piper was married to a legally dead man, but a legally dead woman. What was the point with a marriage in the first place? Most couples want to show how much they love each other and one way of doing that is through marriage. Piper and Leo couldn't do that because Leo was dead so they needed another way to marry; like Leo stated, it was a way to make sure that the Elders couldn't pull them apart - even though it happened anyway. Maybe they still could but he thought that it was a way to prevent the Elders from meddling in their lives. Marriage, and their ceremony, is a way to show their family and friends just how much they love each other. Why shouldn't they have had that chance? I believe if Piper could have, she would have married Leo in a church |
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Post by NubianWitch on Feb 26, 2011 14:46:02 GMT -5
I think the show messed up by placing witches evenly between demonic and angelic forces. Angels and such are not Wiccan/Pagan concepts. Even though there are Christo-Pagans and others who do purport the belief in Angels, the most common belief is in fairies.
I think "Whitelighters" should have been less like guardian angels, and more like guardian fay, immortal aspects of nature, or something like that, who guide good witches. That's more accurately Wiccan.
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Post by Esmeralda on Feb 26, 2011 15:20:41 GMT -5
I think the show messed up by placing witches evenly between demonic and angelic forces. Angels and such are not Wiccan/Pagan concepts. Even though there are Christo-Pagans and others who do purport the belief in Angels, the most common belief is in fairies. I think "Whitelighters" should have been less like guardian angels, and more like guardian fay, immortal aspects of nature, or something like that, who guide good witches. That's more accurately Wiccan. My guess is the WB probably stopped them from being too Wiccan. |
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Post by erikamarie on Mar 3, 2011 10:36:37 GMT -5
Yup. Just like I said, I truly never believed that the girls were Wiccans. When they never once mention the Goddess or all of the other stuff that's part of being Wiccans...no. I agree If I remember well, when Piper got her fire power, she accidentally destroyed their Christmas decorations And Phoebe's wedding was planned in a church Posted by NubianWitch on Feb 26, 2011, 2:46pm
I think "Whitelighters" should have been less like guardian angels, and more like guardian fay, immortal aspects of nature, or something like that, who guide good witches. That's more accurately Wiccan.
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